I think what hurts most is there's no do overs. These films were the ONE chance Disney had to reunite the cast of the original films and add to their story in a meaningful way. The only opportunity to bring Leia, Luke, Han, Chewie, Lando and the droids together again, tell add to their legacy and pass the torch to a new generation. And they blew it. They totally, utterly blew it,
Indoctrination Theory They didn't just blow it, they crashed into a fucking iceberg and sank with all souls lost. So few people are hyped for the next one its sad. Ive already been through this with Halo, I didnt need it to happen to Star Wars.
The Reality Bin But what if Lando DOESN’T die? Seriously, Star Wars fans have no clue what they want despite claims to the contrary. They will also NEVER be happy with ANY Star Wars thing regardless of quality.
@dukeofthedance8062 Lmao never thought I'd see my good personal friend Nick Mullen as a writer for a second space balls but it would honestly be brilliant.
The Other Point Of View that one was honestly worse. At least Finn and Rose were kind of friends, not two people trying to murder each other. It makes sense for Rose to feel some attraction toward Finn. It makes absolutely no sense for Kylo and Rey to like each other
No one ever imagined a film worse than the prequels could be made, but Rian Johnson somehow managed it. Aspects of the prequels are just as bad/inferior as TLJ, but George was at least always playing to the fanbase and throwing the audience a few bones. As stated in this review, lack of drama and tension completely kills the film. Even the prequels had some of that.
The most confusing part of the Casino Planet plot? After Rose frees the animals and causes all sorts of destruction and confusion allowing them the chance to escape.... she proclaims this is what it was all about. Then they abandon the enslaved children....
Yeah the whole Cantobite casino thing was overlong and pointless and because of its structure you couldn’t cut it out of the film. Its what makes this movie overly long. Its like this episode of the movie Rian Johnson wanted his PETA anti cruelty towards animals statement.
See, it was a clever ruse by Mr. Johnson : you would expect them to liberate the enslaved kids, so he subverted your expectations. You did it again Disney! Such brilliance
Add to that that She and Finn illegally parked, and were legally arrested for it( which, while harsh, seems too be the local law), then decide to commit further crimes by assaulting officers of the law, breaking out of jail, stealing private property( the animals) and destruction of private/ public property. Then THEY feel superior to everyone ( as they escape, leaving , possibly, enslaved children to clean up their mess).
i had the runs during the Last Jedi. I missed the entire casino scene. I've never seen it fully except bits and pieces, nor do I intend to. I consider that taco or whatever I ate that day to have been part of the Force, guiding me to a place of safety
I had diarrhea during that scene too, but I still saw it because I didn't get up. I sat there and everyone else left. Some people commented that my hot puddle of effluence wasn't the worst part of the experience for them. I believe them.
I asked Rian once for a Birthday Present and I gave him a list of awesome things... but all I got from him was Underwear and it wasnt even the right size. Expectations successfully subverted. (of course this never happened, but you get the idea)
When Rian Johnson’s hotel I was staying at caught fire, I rushed to the emergency fire exit door. But instead of seeing a fire exit, Rian in a chicken costume was behind the door and whacked me with a mallet. I got a mild concussion and failed to escape without getting horribly burned, but at least my expectations were definitely subverted.
When I asked Rian Johnson for a good movie he took a dump in my mouth. But then he gave me a mint condition directors cut of Doctor Strangelove signed by Stanley Kubrick so I don’t know what to think anymore.
The fact that John Boyega is on record saying he hates what happened with Finn's character, that The Last Jedi is his least favorite movie in the new trilogy, and that he is glad he is not in them anymore is just icing on the cake.
@@LatajaceStadoKotow The film itself made a shitload of money, where they lost out is in merchandise. Toy sales are at an all time low for the series, as are most other licensed products.
The Prequels (and Return of the Jedi) played through it perfectly: Release the film in late spring for the summer blockbuster rush, then release the home video in early autumn so that kids and families get to watch it again (or several times) right before the late autumn holiday shopping rush really kicks in.This timeline worked PERFECTLY for moving merchandise- kids would demand certain action figures, lego vehicles, etc. of things that they had just seen over and over again in the movie, and it would give retailers a lot of time to move through Star Wars stock, whether toys, books, clothing, video games, whatever. Disney chose a film release schedule that does NOT work for merchandising at all, despite merchandise being Star Wars' biggest money maker- instead of the summer blockbuster window, which they probably wanted to keep exclusively for Marvel, they decided to release their Star Wars films in early December, immediately AFTER the shopping rush had mostly finished. As a result, most retailers in the fall shopping season are left clueless as to what to market to people, or how, because the actual movie that their new stock of merchandise is based on hasn't even released yet. And that's not even going into Disney's insistence on one (or more) SW movies each and every calendar year, which is another awful concept altogether. Star Wars merchandising was a methodically tuned, well-timed machine that worked over and over, generating hundreds of millions of revenue even in years with no new movie releases, and Disney went out of their way to break it down completely. I'd be shocked, but this IS the company that somehow managed to destroy the Muppets, so I can't say I'm too surprised.
@@spookbuster4862 I think the damage this movie did was evident in the lukewarm reception to Solo. This movie left a bad taste in OG fan's mouths that only bleach can fix.
Does anyone else feel that speech was really hypocritical and insincere? A speech on the evils of the "1%" in a Disney movie of all places does not feel like preaching, it feels like Rian was gloating.
Yeah, the rich people casino that clearly keeps slaves and poor folk to do their all their work are really going to be hurting now that you busted up their windows and tables. It's not like they are going to just force their workers to fix it all while they go party elsewhere.
+Ryan Oleynik That's exactly what i thought. "We really made a difference". No you fucking didn't. They're rich. They'll just buy anything they need to replace and just take it out on the poor workers. Hell, they could just hire some poachers to catch those creatures.
@ to me battlestar galactica (the remake) is the show with the best combination of story and effects. Just imagine what awesome stuff could be made with current year effects and a proper script. All the wasted potential is making me very sad.
Because one only requires skill and the other requires skill + imagination. Disney, as a big corp, limits how much imagination is allowed to be used, so it's less likely the film will flop. They go by the lowest common denominator, because it's still better to have a shitty bland film than a shitty experimental film, as far as profits go.
These effects are just green screen and cgi, literally (and I mean literally in the literal sense lol) to a much greater degree than the Prequels ever had. I honestly just would like consistency lol. Not saying you weren't at all but where's all the hate for these effects nowdays? Do we now like these kind of effects? Idc either way, it does nothing for me but I'd like to know if people still have the same criticisms
@@21DaHoagie12 Not anymore. Anybody who continues watching Disney Star Wars is willfully ignorant of the fact they will always produce nothing above corporate garbage.
@@doomstadt2371 if you genuinely wanted to be surprised, watch Empire. After about 2 of the big “gotcha!” moments, none of them actually surprised me because I knew that Rian was just going to do the opposite of what made sense. You see, there’s a difference between surprising people and defying logic. When people expect one thing to happen, it’s usually because it’s the next logical step. A movie being predictable at the very start isn’t good, but if you can guess what the characters are about to do most of the time by the time you reach the end, that’s probably just because it makes sense for them to do that. Near the end of Empire, the moment Luke finds out about his friends being in danger, you instantly know that Luke is going to go after them and is not going to listen to Yoda’s advice because that’s the kind of person Luke is. Him leaving Yoda to go save his friends is exactly what Luke Skywalker at that point in the trilogy would do as established by previous scenes. It makes sense that he would do that, and thus him doing that isn’t the movie being predictable, it’s the audience being smart enough to understand what kind of person Luke is and being able to rationally predict his next course of action. Audiences aren’t stupid, and it isn’t a failure of a director if they get to a point where they can guess where the plot will go on decently short notice. Rian Johnson just does the opposite of what makes sense in terms of characters and in terms of logic. Holdo is blatantly a terrible leader who is trying to string along everyone with her based on blind faith in a plan she refuses to tell anyone. No good leader would ever conceal that much information from their subordinates in a time of crisis. Teaching people that they should just follow whatever the leaders say because they’re smarter than the people they command is an awful lesson. So the reveal that Holdo actually did have a plan the whole time isn’t a plot twist, it’s defying logic. Same goes for nearly every other major “subversion” in this stupid movie. They get predictable after two of them because you can just predict that whatever is going to happen is the opposite of what would logically happen.
@@dvader518 Because it had the Star Wars brand attached to it. The success of Episode IX will more accurately reflect what kind of mark TLJ left. Or alternatively, Solo's results painted a pretty grim picture.
The *one awesome thing* in this movie is...Mark Hamill's acting. Despite absolutely *hating* the part he has to play, and despite it being 180° opposite the Luke Skywalker he used to play, he delivered. We might not like what he delivered, but he did it, and in perfection.
Reminds me of something Christopher Lee said: "Every actor has to make terrible films from time to time, but the trick is never to be terrible in them."
It's the hard-ass workers that make it the furthest, not the sheer talent. Mark Hamill is definetly one of those workers--just listen to his performance as the Joker in the Arkham games, which is second only to Heath Ledger's.
@@gaminglol1167 after he said how he disagreed about it I think it's called a possible breach of contract/ the NDA he definitely had to sign and they told him to tone it down
Finn looked like he had no idea how to react after being kissed. “Why the hell are you kissing me now? Also, I am really not that into you”. Han and Leia always seemed like they had a thing for each other with their banter and the romance felt very natural when it happened.
@@arthurballs9632 If you are entertained by unbelievable stupidity! BTW, if you closed yourself in a refrigerator at that time, you would not be able to open it from the inside, and would suffocate to death! They also were not made of lead, so he would die from radiation or cancer within a year!!
to be fair, Indiana Jones also jumped out of an airplane in an inflatable dingy, landed on the side of a snowy mountain and X-Gamed his way to safety... At some point you just have to accept goofy action in a goofy action movie. Part of the problem is that grown adults consider this shit as "serious" when it was originally produced decades ago when they were kids. That's not to excuse any warts in TLJ, which was plenty clunky in general... But goofy and never very well defined force powers leading to a goofy outcome shouldn't be surprising. Jedi can run real fast and jump real high right until the screenwriters figure it would be more dramatic if they couldn't. The whole house of cards collapses after a few seconds of critical thought. It can't be pinned on a given moment in a given film, it's death by 1,000 tiny cuts.
@Make You Seethe Well of course, they are both silly movies that aren't grounded in reality. I think we're on the same page, as that's the main point of my comment... A lot fans hold up Leia doing her goofball Peter Pan moves in space as being dumb or Indy hiding in the refrigerator as being dumb.... But those same people never seemed to have much of an issue with the Ewok hang glider or Indy using a rubber dingy as a parachute. My point was these things were always goofy... but it didn't seem to bother people 30 or 40 years ago... only now is all this shit dumb.
21:07 Admiral Holdo: "You bet the survival of the resistance on bad odds and put us all at risk." That line didn't age well. We learn in the third movie, that holdo suicide maneuver was once in a million chance thing.
@@mfaure420 In Rise of Skywalker, someone suggests performing Holdo's suicide hyperspace ram maneuver again to save them, but it is quickly shot down as a one in a million chance of success. So Holdo berating Poe for taking bad odds to try and save everyone is hypocritical with that knowledge if her last ditch plan was also a shot in the dark.
@@vashoom Holdo was an insanely stupid character throughout TLJ, so being a hypocrite fits in with that. In regards to hyperspace ramming, there was nothing that any writer could have done to make that bullshit fit into Star Wars. Rian Johnson just randomly decided to do the hyperspace ram, with zero fucks given towards how much it would break everything else. I have no issues with hyperspace ramming being discarded with a single sentence "one in a million" , because there is nothing else that could be said about it.
Ford "this doesn't feel right for the character Kershner." Kersh "Ok Ford what should we do?" -Highest rated SW movie ... Hamill " this is not right for the character Johnson" Johnson "shut up Mark" -worst SW movie
@@nailmontana1993 idk why. I liked Kyle Campbell's comment, dunno why you'd get a notification about that. This is your first comment in the thread that I can see though.
@@kylecampbell565 I wish Holdo did come back in the Rise of Skywalker, and when others ask how she survived she'd say: "My hair is a path to many abilities some would find... unnatural"
About 75% of the movie is painful, if you think about how jarring and uneven the tone of the movie is, and how poorly the plot is structured. I can see a good concept of "Historically great Jedi becomes disillusioned and has to overcome his mistakes", combined with "stern chase movie where the Reb-sistance barely stays ahead of the First Order"... But it gets lost in "silly casino escapades", "Admiral Holdo My Beer, I can be a bigger hothead than Poe and cause more problems", and "Big Climactic Battle BECAUSE SYMBOLISM!".
The Last Jedi will be studied in film classes around the world as an example of terrible film-making. Disney/Lucasfilm will be studied in business classes around the world as an example of terrible business decisions. Episode 9 is going to fail miserably. Millions of people have been dreaming of a sequel trilogy since 1983 and Disney/Lucasfilm flushed it right down the toilet.
Michael P Statement: At this point I solved the sequel problem for myself and bought the original Trilogy about Thrawn from the 1990s. Read it and realized that I have sequels that way. I also don’t care what meatbags call canon.
I really appreciate how RLM gives their senior citizen friend a platform for his art projects. I know not many people watch them, but it's great Mr. Plinkett has an outlet.
I have an original idea. All of the Star Wars fans could collectively not watch Star Wars Episode 9. It would subvert Disney's expectations. That's how you know it is a good idea.
Loved when they introduced the kamikaze light speed tactic, proving that every previous character in Star Wars was an idiot for not trying it sooner and throwing the entire universe into utter chaos by giving every person with even a garbage freighter virtually unlimited firepower. I clapped.
i loved the casino scene, it really made me rethink my values and I decided too stop sending my allowance money too the military industrial complex in my real life.
I am Lockheed Martin irl, I can confirm. I just never thought about it before because I was never exposed to any hamfisted political messaging made by other multibillion dollar corporations. There just isn't enough for us war profiteers to take notice, but I'm doing my part to change that by reporting 1/2 star ratings on rottentomatoes
@@gustavrider5561 i took a nap while watching rogue one, i just didn't care about the characters. and you could tell they were trying so hard to make you care
He just needed a good palate cleanser in order to finish the movie. Edit: Oops i guess we wrote that at the same time. Great minds think alike i guess.
We can all be thankful SW isn't like trek in that montage! We do not need that slow moving debate in star wars. But it'd be nice if the characters were intelligent and things at least made sense.
The whole idea to make Ep7 a soft reboot really torpedoed the franchise in an insulting and hurtful way. By its very nature, a soft reboot undermines and partially retcons the plot and purpose of the original source material. It's fine to soft reboot something like Ghostbusters where the sequels were basically garbage. But it's not okay to soft reboot Star Wars! Like Plinkett say it's almost as though Rian Johnson was forced to do what he did or else just retread Empire! How bad would that have been? It's just sad how Disney not only made bad movies, but decided to throw Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, basically the entire point and impact of Episode 6, Yoda, and the prequels into a garbage can and shit on them. How long until they try to destroy all records and copies of the original 6 films?
With the benefit of hindsight and the contributions of other revisions of beloved current era mythos, this was part of an intentional and purposive destruction of culture to degrade and demoralise a public otherwise strengthened by culture of this kind.
@@gremlin66n I think he meant George Lucas was one of the people behind it, as many of his ideas were reimagined, brought to the right tone, or even tossed aside altogether by the rest of the creative team, whereas in the prequels you can see Lucas unbridled and it shows.
"The Last Jedi is the most embarrassing thing since my son... no, not THAT one, the OTHER one!" It's about family, and that's what makes it so powerful.
That OTHER series that's all about family .. has better writing and a more realistic and thoughtful plots.. Of course I'm talking about The Fast and The Furious.
Right. Because, you know, that was necessary to the plot. Unfortunately when characters fail you equate it to a waste of time and can't think for yourself.
The First Order is what happens when you make a caricature of bad guys. You accent the stuff you don't like about them, at the same time making it utterly impossible to make them believable.
"Okay, Rian. This is a very important film franchise with great story but not a perfect history, do you think you can make a good follow up to The Force Aw-" *SO WE BLOW THAT ONE UP*
@@Kesslerification Honestly, I think Kennedy's inner monolouge was running along the lines of, "If the tripe this SNAG is writing sells, I've done my job and so be it."
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The add even more confusion about the script, Rian Johnson once stated that he had to write the script for The Last Jedi while The Force Awakens was being written and so he had no idea what was going on. But then JJ Abrams said Johnson had access to some early drafts, so he should have had an idea of what was going on. But then Kathleen Kennedy confirmed Johnson wrote his script while none of the new trilogy ideas and scripts were confirmed. But then Abrams said he wrote initial scripts for VIII and IX and Johnson chose not to use his scripts and write a new one. BUT THEN Johnson confirmed that and said he wanted to challenge all of Abrams ideas and dissect the characters and themes with his own script. B U T T H E N it was reported by Lucasfilms and others including Abrams that Johnson had to regularly get his script reviewed by the higher ups and get approval for it, during the writing of The Force Awakens. And so Abrams came out and said Johnson's script was so good, he wanted to direct it himself. I'm sure everyone is trying to make it seem like production was under control, but this seems like a case of "Too many cooks in a kitchen trying to make a 3 course meal, but nobody has even decided on what kind of restaurant this is going to be."
Yeah, sounds like studios being idiots, for sure. But the thing is if you find a great writer (they exist, even if Hollywood rarely uses them), you could write a great Star Wars script in a week. It's not a complicated franchise, you just need to make it fun, have likeable characters and a solid heroes journey, and have a few fun surprises.
That's probably the case. I like the film and I think it's a fucking mess. It's just enjoyable to me and I liked some of it's ideas. I think it had some of the best scenes in the franchise and some of the worst.
I still can't figure out how that works: "writing a script for a following episode, without having the previous in existance". What kind of writing is that... Also, your coment reminded me of Sparrow and Barbossa's discussion of who is the captain of the Black Pearl in At World's End.
Nono! we cant have villain women characters! the only "evil" woman in the movie is hidden away in armor and helmet. and she never really does anything that evil.
With his termination of all the mysteries (Snoke's death, Rey's parents being no one important, etc), and his cheery tone at the end, it seems Johnson thought he was making the last episode in the trilogy, not the second.
Literally the first thing that I thought when I heard Plinkett say that. Which was followed by "I gotta take a leak." And then by "But what about the future of this franchise?! Is he the only living son of Harry S. Plinkett?!"
No no no... Rich Evans is Plinkett's bastard son while george lucas is his long lost brother. The Plinkett family tree in only now opening up. THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS (TRASH)!
And just like that YT's trending system has lost all credibility first that stupid buzzfeed video getting trending and not the Godzilla KOTM trailer? Yeah Rest in piss trending credibility.
I honestly have no idea why Disney even game Ryan Johnson such a high role in making such a massive and important movie. Like, he’s not even that bad at making movies but I can’t possibly think of a worse person to write AND direct a Star Wars movie
Kathleen Kenedy is the answer, and the real question should be: why was K.K. put in charge of the star wars franchise without even having a fleshed out plan.
At the very least you'd think they'd choose someone with even a primary school level of understanding how space and/or gravity works. In a movie where half of it takes place in space.
@@noone3216 to be fair, you need only an elementary level knowledge on space to know that most shit in Star Wars makes no sense (like how ships being set on fire in space is completely impossible). That was never really the issue
Just seeing those made my body and soul hurt. People who act like this level of "comedy" was always in Star Wars films really need to watch those scenes.
I can never forget the look on my father's face, after seeing this tripe... When the credits rolled, he just had the most tired and defeated look... (kinda like Mark Hamills face after TLJs screening with Rian at his side) then he regained composure, put on a smile, and calmly said, "Well... it's been about 40 years. It had a good run... but this series is done." We totally pigged out at our favorite diner afterwards, to ease the blow of the movie.
Hilariously enough my father and I talked about this movie a few months ago, and coincidentally without me even bringing my own criticisms up he made the same complaints that I did. keep in mind he grew up with the original trilogy when they came out and even likes the prequels (as I do) He hated this film.
I'm the "Dad" in those stories, and the only joy I got out of the movie was the expression on my son-in-laws face when it came up in conversation. So, Rian Johnson has brought SOME people together! HAH! Subverted HIS fucking expectations, yeah?
Me and my mom felt the same. We often asked ourselves why we didn't get up and leave. I saw the movie in a crowded theater, and when it ended there were very few claps, little chatter, people just got up and quickly left with blank stares across their faces.
@@shahin738 We weren’t told anything about what was happening in the scene. A crew member came over and said “So basically, guys, you’ve all just escaped from something and you’re really relieved...” or words to that effect.
One of the only positives I ever had for VIII was that it left off in such a strange position that I was really curious what the next movie would do. I truly didn't think they would actually ret con everything from this movie, I assumed they had a planned trilogy and that this was known by all involved from the start. Cause think of how little it costs to have a plan, you just needed everyone to talk at least once about what their stories would be. Its so cheap, and the benefits of it are so large that anyone would plan their billion dollar trilogy. The fact that they were like, lets just freeform Jazz a trilogy is admirable in one way, and foolish in all others.
Here's the problem with subverting expectations: It's not difficult -- all you need to do is something people don't expect. When Rey meets Luke, he could have punched her in the face, or been completely insane, or been eaten suddenly by a big bird -- all of this would have been unexpected. The challenge would be to do something unexpected, yet CLEVER and in keeping with what we already know. All Rian Johnson did was the unexpected.
The Joker I literally see no difference in Plinkett’s “wit” in this video in comparison to the others. Mauler has a completely different humor and style too so comparing them is idiotic.
"Now it's worth it" She says after leaving behind a bunch of slave children who will probably get beaten half to death for letting the (expensive?) animals out of their boxes to escape.... Seems kinda messed up
SolarDragon007 Probably because the sad reality is that it’s easier and more satisfying for many to go that route instead of actually trying to help the enslaved, poor or middle-class.
Is'nt that a theme in star wars though, that noone cares about slaves? I remember Anakin asking Qui-gon Gin about freedom for himself and his mom and Qui-gon is like nope, I won't be doing anything like that. And even later, when they are working for royalty and probably has all the money a little slave boy can carry, neither of them go back to get Anakins mom. Too busy hitting the bars, drinking and snorting kyber crystal I guess....
RJ says, “The only thing i would really want is a good movie that delights me in ways i didnt expect.” Hey jackass, the problem is all the changes you made were distasteful and unbelievable. Its not the fact that you made changes, it’s the end result. Let me give u a food analogy that even Gordan Ramsey would agree with, becuz if you know anything about the upper echelons of cooking, it’s about making the dish better, not changing it for worse for the sake of it. Thats like if a chef wanted to make a delicious new dish at a beloved restaurant, so his bright idea is to take a favorite recipe and degrade it by changing what made it great in the first place and replacing it with the exact opposite, instead of trying to contribute to it which helps it reach another level (which is what all great chefs do, they ENHANCE IT by adding their own twist to a dish, they dont try to reinvent the fckin wheel becuz there’s a time and place for everything, genius!) Thats NOT what the owner asked for, the owner asked to make a known dish BETTER. He didnt ask to make a NEW dish with the same frckin name to try to fool customers. Why? Cuz thats not what the customers want, thats not why they keep coming back to this restaurant, so they can be tricked. They came to eat delicious food from a restaurant they know damm well, and whether its an old or new menu, it better be good for the same reason. So when it ends up tasting bad, he blames his favorite customers that it’s because it’s not what they’re used to and they dont have an open mind. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. In fact, a favorite customer, who is a big fan of the restaurant, is not only open to something new, they welcome it because they love the food there and would be excited to hear there’s a new, delicious dish, BUT TO A CERTAIN DEGEE- CHANGES THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE FLAVOR, MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. NOT THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT MAKES IT GOOD, NOT THE OTHER END OF THE FCKIN SPECTRUM. But then, when it tastes bad because it’s something that shouldnt even be sold in that restaurant, you blame the customer??? if you go to a delicious burger spot that wants to try something new, they should give you a new and different type of burger, not a shitty sushi roll. and? THE CUSTOMERS WOULD BLAME THE CHEF. THE OWNER WOULD BLAME THE CHEF. Yet the chef has the audacity to say the customers are a buncha “man-babies” ? What an idiot.
I was so mad Rey didn't join Kylo, because that would've been an _actual_ interesting subversion, I turned to fanfiction to wash out the bitter taste this movie left in my mouth. And what do you know, there are some _fans_ that tell better Star Wars plots than the people Disney hire and give a giant budget to!
Quite honestly every plot my friends came up with when we went to eat after watching this were better than the film, and they all were just off the top of people's heads.
@@Byrvurra What? Yes, you can? There isn't a rule stating in fiction that the hero can't turn evil. That's exactly what Anikin did in the prequels. He was once a hero then joined Sidious (a character even more evil than Kylo). Besides, Ben wasn't entirely gone yet. There's a chance that Rey could've helped Kylo go back to being Ben and change the 1st Order from the inside. That would've been interesting to watch unfold.
@@stivklif Why not ? They marry then they dominate the galaxy as an imperial family that have the monopoly on the force , the next movie would be about the rebels desperately trying to overthrow them without any force users or jedi masters .
In retrospect, watching the last Jedi is like being in a bar fight. At first you're not sure what's going on, maybe the guy is just joking, then shit gets real and you're in a fight but it's not that bad, you'll get out of it with a couple of bruises, you'll learn from it and grow, then out of nowhere you get stabbed, you don't realise at first, the fight ends, the other guy's run off with your money , the adrenaline wears off and you start to feel the pain and realise the horror of what's just happened.
Nailed it, I was loving the movie but as soon as it ended, something felt off and I couldn't place it, my girlfriend asked me what I thought of it and I said something like "it was good, but..." and then about 10 minutes later after I had sorta talked through I realized how horrible it was.
I don't remember him ever coming around to his interpretation of Luke, he said he was fine with the movie. His most recent comments are that he's still coping with his character's arc.
I've watched readings of My Little Pony fanfics better scripted than Last Jedi. And I feel like I'm insulting the MLP Fanfics by making that comparison. Last Jedi is the FFX of movies, because Final Fantasy X was a highly ambitious deconstruction that had its big story get lost behind flashy visuals and poor scripting.
Shenaldrac ... You have a good point that I'm insulting Final Fantasy X by comparing it to the Last Jedi in that manner. Well I did not like Final Fantasy X, and I could not connect with the characters at all, after all these years from playing it I can admit that I see why people love it so much. I apologize for insulting Final Fantasy X by that comparison. I will make it a point to make my comparison more nuanced from now on, pointing out that Final Fantasy X does have a coherent story that goes from beginning to end. Which just makes the Last Jedi that much more sad in the end. Also on a random Final Fantasy X related note: I figured out the big twist with the final summon the absolute first time that term was mentioned. That's a major reason why the game did not connect with me. But yeah, there is a significant difference in the need for nuance there.
The way she was written, it was very clear to me that Holdo was a bad guy that infiltrated the good guys for a big twist. I was super confused when she did the heroic sacrifice thing :D
Yeah, it was like... let's put the most suspicious and ineffective leader in charge of the fleet, and demote the best pilot (the guy who literally just destroyed Starkiller base) and keep him in the dark while we get picked off one ship at a time. But all the braindeads were cheering because "TOXIC MASCULINITY."
It's been two years and there's no Plinkett Review of The Rise of Skywalker. While it would have been fun, I think this is the biggest insult they could have delivered.
As much as I want another Plinkett review for RoS, I only want Mike to do it if he thinks there is something meaningful to say. I totally understand his complete exhaustion with the buffoonery around these films and how no one seems to have the general IQ necessary to make a competent story. I didn't need Plinkett to suggest a boycott. TLJ was the last straw for me; I skipped episode 9. As much as it truly breaks my heart to say this, it might be time to pull the plug on Star Wars. If so, "The Last Plinkett Review" is a fitting title to mirror the ignoble collapse of this IP.
Rian is just a pawn in this. Disney made this film bizarre and awkward. They didn’t just say “Hey, let’s give the director of Looper five hundred million dollars to turn our biggest franchise into a snarky artistic statement.” The prequels were a HUGE financial success. They want to emulate aspects of the prequels, without pissing off too many fat 32 year olds. Kids don’t like The Hero’s Journey anymore. They like cynical ADD spectacles. They like big words that make them feel smart. They like creatures that remind them of Pokémon. Lucas was a god-damn prophet...
How the endings of Episodes IV-VI would be different if Admiral Holdo was a senior rebel leader back then: Episode IV: parade and medal presentation; Luke and Han walk towards Leia. Holdo bursts onto the dais and shouts "Arrest Skywalker! He turned off his targeting computer, thereby contravening the chain of command and breaking X-Wing flight regulations!" Episode V: Luke and Leia watch the Millennium Falcon head off to Tatooine from the viewing deck of the medical cruiser; Holdo bursts into the room and shouts "Arrest Skywalker! He flew off to Dagobah instead of rejoining the Rebel fleet after the Battle of Hoth!". Episode VI: Luke, Leia, Han and all the rebels party with Ewoks on the forest moon of Endor. Holdo storms into the Ewok village and shouts "Arrest Skywalker! He abandoned the rebel strike team and allowed himself to be captured and taken to the Death Star!".
You can carry this over to the prequels as well. Holdo would have Qui-Gon Jin arrested for subverting the Jedi Council, and later she would have Anakin arrested for insubordination to Obi-Wan. The last one might not be a bad idea, of course.
There's only one business in the galaxy that will get you this rich. Yeah, "Space Walmart". If you want profits, military tech will put food on the table, but it can't compare to interplanetary department stores.
De Jota It shows how god awful Star wars is in general. Star Trek will always require more brain power to comprehend. Thats why I watch Rick and Morty.
The Star Wars universe itself aside, the main reason TLJ is so disliked is because it's an incomprehensible mess of a script. While Trek definitely places more emphasis on the "science" of things, the original SW trilogy wasn't so poorly written that it insulted the audience's intelligence.
@@pablofreeman8808 Star Wars has always been more of a fantasy/scfi than Star trek it's just that the previous movies the writing wasn't as broken. Well save for midi-chlorians (I have no idea how to spell it).
@@dejota1136 Star Trek has plenty of space magic, from transporters to the plot convenience of phaser settings to psionics/empaths to magic food-making machines and effectively infinite energy. But because Star Wars put their space wizards at the center of the story and gave them swords, IT'S the only space fantasy.
The part of the movie I died at was the part they set the animals free, but for some reason not the slaves and then say "it was worth it." Just that writing is so funny I can't explain it
Classic activist lack of a brain. I remember once some hippies tried to "save" dogs that were test subjects, but since they were midway through a test(they infected the dogs and tried to cure them with some treatment if I remember correctly), when the activist stole them, they all died.
Now funny thing is what those slaves probably will be punished with repairing all the damage done to casino. And those freed animals will either die in the wilderness (they grew up in captivity, right?) or will be easily recaptured. It was truly worth it to make things even worse for everyone because of "muh rich people are bad", Rose
@@PorkFork That's the part I forgot that made me originally laugh with all of this! That was the point I wanted to explain oh god how could I forget that
Dear Mr. Plinkett, Please say that this is not the end of your Star Wars reviews. There’s one big one left and (speaking for everyone) we need it. The world needs it. Sincerely, Alan
I still don't understand what the state of the galaxy is in the sequel trilogy. Why does the Resistance refer to itself as the Resistance? Did the New Republic not have a military? What was the Resistance resisting? Did the First Order have control of a majority of the galaxy in TFA? In the prequels and the originals, it was fairly obvious what was going on in the galaxy. How was the First Order able to build Starkiller Base, and with what resources? These questions didn't have to be answered in TFA, but they should have assuredly been answered in TLJ. I'm supposed to believe that the Republic's entire fleet was destroyed in TFA, and that, as a consequence, the Resistance only had 400 people in the entire galaxy who could fight the First Order? Bullshit. These new films seem so small in comparison to the past films. Such a shame!
Agreed 100%. Plus this Snoke guy. A really powerful force user who looks super old. Seems like he would have been alive and in his prime during the original trilogy. Where the heck did he come from? Was he Palpatine's half brother or something who was managing some remote part of the Empire when the events of the Battle of Endor happened? As it stands in TFA and TLJ, he is a paper thin abstraction of a villain.
Disney Star Wars really feels like a bad little fan fic. It's so sad. There are literally hundreds of old (now non canon, "thanks" Disney) EU storys with more franchise logic and SW lore then this mess.
Yeah, the whole thing feels underdeveloped, which made Last Jedi more disappointing to me. I was hoping questions left dangling would be answered. And it wouldn’t have taken much time to do it. Just have Luke explain all of it to Rey (i.e. the audience) while telling her about Ben turning. But I suppose Rian Johnson felt the same way and decided to drop all of that because it was too conventional to continue a story in a satisfying way, I guess.
Personally I not really disliked Rogue One (I think its could even be part of the old canon, where already many side storys about deathstar plans existed - explained with "They stole only one part of the plans"-) and even not "Solo" (but its still unnecessary), but for me Star Wars ended with the book Crucible by Roy Denning after the events of the Fate of the Jedi Saga. I'm in my 20s and Star Wars is not my one and only hobby. I haven't read everything (actually I bypassed many series & I haveto watch The Clone Wars) and with this personal canon I have enough Star Wars to read for the rest of my life and I'm okay with it. There are many fans like me out there. The Legacy era is like an optional addition, but nothing new and I disliked many aspects (like the stereotypical Sith). Whatever even this was more creative then the low reboot of Disney because Legacy was built on the events from all the other former canon books and comics and did something new with it.
_Supposedly_ the planets blown up by Starkiller Base contained both the entirety of the New Republic government and their entire military. Yes, that is as stupid as it sounds, and the fact that Starkiller Base could just magically blow up anything anywhere was lazy fucking writing. The Resistance is apparently a guerilla organization funded by the New Republic that operates behind enemy lines. this was of course only explained in supplemental material, material that next to no one who saw these movies read so it's all pretty much fucking moot.
I love how the code breaker walks around in a uniform in a highly organized military environment with a week-old stubble and no superior officer stops to chew his ass out.
+Reckful-For awhile, I though it was Ree-an, not Ryan. . . I was even going to give him the benefit of the doubt and wondered if he was Irish. . .Nope. . .dude is a Maryland native. . .So, even that little "interesting" piece about him I originally thought was all wrong. . . Some fun little tidbits. . .He directed a few episodes of Breaking Bad. . .Plinkett's joke about him being a folk singer wasn't just some throwaway joke about how he looks like a pretensious hipster folk singer.. . .He is actually IS a folk singer. . .And a banjo player apparently. . .He is part of a duo with his brother Nathan called The Preserves. . . So. . .there is that. . .
