It's ok to like Harry Potter more than Star Wars but let's be honest Voldemort couldn't defeat a school but on the other hand,Vader and Sidious ruled an entire galaxy
It's not the same, Voldemort could defeat the school, but he didn't want to do that, he only wanted to kill Harry, death eaters were who attacked the school, and there were very powerful wizards as well in the higwarts side
Plot Armor. No other reason. He literally cancel the attack when the death eaters were breaking in. Also if the wand would not have rejected him he would have not only blow up the shield , he would have consumed the entire castle. Harry potter plot armor is so unbeatable that Even fricken darth vader would fail if JK rolling is writing the story. Besides just like palpaltine said about Luke, Voldy said that potter will come to him.
@@The.Jedi.Wizard you think that plot armor is bad. Some random girl who just picked a lightsaber up for the first time managed to defeat somebody who was trained by luke skywalker, one of if not the most powerful jedi, and snoke, the supreme ruler of the first order that has a battle station the firepower capable of destroying nine planets. Now this is plot-armor.
Grindelwald isn’t as powerful as Sidious, but he’s definitely on his level when it comes to manipulation gaining support, and that makes him equally dangerous in his own right.
@@Zygothdarkknight almost equal? palpatine manipulated the republic and the SDA to fight each other, ordered the creations of the clones which later fought against the republicans, manipulated the jedi, lets not forget that yoda is over 900 years over with pure connection to the light side, man manipulated an entire galaxy
and that the jedi (in fact jedis mental abilities are not as advanced or good as wizards) and the senate were stupid and clueless, just watch the Mr. Plinket reviews.
@@Joniboy07 hmm not very useful if you don’t know what you’re facing. And either way, Yoda, Sidious, Mace Windu, Luke and Vader can disintegrate all of them in miliseconds similarly to the Oceangate sub… I mean if Luke can move an entire black hole by just thinking about it, then yeah I think the SW universe wins.
Magic in Harry Potter was invented and found out by the wizards, and mastered by them. The Force in star wars is an eternal force that has existed since the dawn of time that has the ability to do ANYTHING you could command it to do, zero exceptions at its full potential.
Half of the fight depends on how the reactions between the force/lightsaber vs Magic spells. The other half on what versions we are using for both sides (LA, comics, EU Legends, books) how aware both sides are of each other and how serious they are willing to go.
It said Canon so I asume Disney canon. As for Power interaction I think as long as the Jedi aren't hit with Avada kedavra right away they'd get the Idea to just dodge or Block with bigger objects if the lightsaber didn't Block it the 1st time. Now here is an interesting question. How many spells would have enough AP.
Well AP also depends on the wizard skill and power (and also the wand). Bombarda maxima reducto and the piercing spell that Voldemort use to one shot a gigantic magical force shield have enough AP. Also some spells don't even need AP, forgot the banishing charms , the force like spells like depulso, also Inmobulous would be extremely useful cause it freezes in a wide area and there is no proof that physical objects would stop it (only mythical barriers) and after frozen basically the wizard won by that point. Wizards have hundreds of spell besides kadavra so it would take a lot of time to define the reactions off all the spells vs the jedi.
@@The.Jedi.Wizard They default to common ones though same as how the jedi's Instinctnwould be to Block some glowing boltnwith the lightsaber. You also got to consider precognition which is a lot more common and basic force users paired with their vastly superior combat speed and reflexes. The best way for a wizard to go about this is to try a spell that will result in an instant Finisher before his opponent even knows they are fighting due this speed advantage. In other words preptime is advised.
True, almost any person who mostly depends on a weapon needs prep to take a jedi down. Good thing for the wizards however that they have a ton of options to use. Jedis have good precognition? Try Confundo and Impedimenta , both which would frick up their reaction/reflexes and senses and leave then vulnerable to additional attacks. Do jedis have fast combat speed? Try Stupefy, Inmobulous, Pretifious Totalis to stop them. Can jedis block things with their lightsabers? Try spells that have no beams and ignore phisical barriers like Depulso, sectumsentra Diffundio or Accio. Or Area damage and elemental magic like Incendio. Can jedis use force shields? (which take time to be created and also are a bit inconsistent since they reduce impact of attacks rather than completely block most of the time) Then either use spells that ignore mythical barriers like avada kadavra or crusio or hit the barrier with AP spells like Bombarda maxima or reducto or the piercing spell. Can jedis dodge good? Try spells that are Invisible, Instantaneous and lethal like sectumsentra to have a better chance of hitting them since their precognition is not perfect anyways. Also mandalorians have managed to tie jedis in multiple occasions with their rope shot, that means Incarcerous would also be usefull. Can jedis use telekinesis against u? Try the consistent magical force shield of protego and its 6 other barriers like protego maxima so block at least for some secs or use telekinesis yourself to block at least for some time. How long exactly would the shield survive would depend on who is the jedi and the wizard., but i expect that the shield would survive less under dorce telekinesis than magic telekinesis. Does the jedis want to force u into melee range with a lightsaber? Teleport far away to get range, disarm them with accio or expeliarmus or try to harm the lightsabers energy with the nix spell that kills light. Or use protego diabolica to consume them if they date to get close to u. Did the jedi managed to snap your wand? U better either be a top wizard like dumbledore to have wandless magic or teleport quickly , get other wand and come back. Are u facing a person in a life support like Darth vader? Let your own magical presence damage his electronic technological suit, just try to survive long enough. Wanna play creatively and experiment? Try to say "accio midiclorians" or revelio so u can see the jedis force shields and track force 'movements' , which could be cool. Want harm the mind of the jedi? Try Imperio , Legilimens or Crusio which are better and more consistent metal attacks than the jedis have. Even if they resist it would cause harm an effort. The jedi wants to harm your mind? If u are not weak minded u shall be fine, just to be shure use protego or oclumency. Want a wizard to have a better chance against a jedi? Give them a harder wand with a metallic protection and let them have multiple wands hidden just in case they lose one. Also ignore OP contradictory ridiculously God mode sources like legends Eu or BS Comics or any other source that upscales jedis beyond the logic of the movies and tv shows. Want to cause distractions for jedis? Try Transfiguration, Giving life to inanimate objects to help u, try the fyendfire spell to target the jedi. Are u afraid that the jedi will know how to react to every single spell? Force precognition can tell them were the spell will land, NOT what the spell does, how it can be blocked or its speed, all off that the jedi need to know by experience and it would take them a lot of time since they are a lot of spells. If u throw them a beam of magic they might think a lightsaber would be enough and successfully put the lightsaber in a way it would stop the spells, only to find out at the last sec that it passed thru the laser sword... Are jedis faster than wizards? Yes and No. In combat speed and agility overall yes. In Mobility, travel speed and flight? No forgot that wizards can turn into light and fly very fast? Also they can teleport. For some reason all the hundreds of spells cant make u beat a jedi? Take time , ask the professors and create new spells that would give u an edge against such an enemy, maybe a spell that cause force repellency? Are u facing a dark side user? Try a powerful expecto patronun to knock their dark side. Want to follow all these steps with the lowest diff and best efficiency? Give the the most power wand to the most powerful wizard and give that wizard full prep and prior knowledge with the 3 deathly hallows. Want to play so dirty is not even a fight? Use the time turner and or the lucky potion. Conclusion: Wizards are underrated and can give a jedi much more trouble than bounty hunters and mandalorians have, even if they don't hold back.
@@The.Jedi.Wizard Accio midiclorians wouldn't work. That spell doesn't work in living things. If it did I'm damn sure someone would have used accio spinal cord by now. Most of your strategies are pretty good though but I don't think any particular spell would overcome the speed difference that one requires taking the Initiative. Creating new spells seems rather difficult since the only living (during most of the books) example of someone creating spells is Snape. Maybe this isn't neccesarilly a matter of it being difficult though. The wizzarding World seems pretty stagnant a lot of the time and maybe it's just inefficient to create New spells compared to using what they have. Another very important question to consider is the allignment of each combatant as both dark Wizards and Sith would generally be more lethal than their more upstanding counterparts. When we are comparing high Tiers however and under the assumption that neither of them is going to cheat death I'd generally give it to the force User. If they cheat death power interactions become relevant again.
grindelwald would terrify the entire star wars. not in a sense of power but more of how he can manipulate people.imagine him making jedi themselves questioned the entire order but not fall to the darkside. sidious manipulated the heck out of people but in the shadows, grindewald did it openly.
he kept his power for so long from jedis who can struggle to mind trick non force sensitive people like jaba watto, heck even cat bane resisted windu anakin and obi wan. I am not even shure if they ever tried to sense palpaltine, how clueless they were. I think Dumbledore without using imperio or legilimens , both which > mind tricks, could tell that palpaltine was shady.
I would give iq to dumbledore. Yoda’s inaction and all that caused the Jedi council to become very dogmatic and political which lead to its downfall. Dumbledore pretty much planned the whole hp story.
Lets see how badass Dumbledore is with order 66 millions of troops with weapons with capabilities to put massive craters in the ground massive ship fleets and the death star it wont be a contest you forget that the entire jedi base and school of younglings were butchered how old are you im thinking your a teen im 39 yrs old read the books not just the films you have no idea what the hell your talking about
I have no idea what u said, the point is that i think Dumbledore is smarter than yoda, he doest even have the force to "predict" and he still is smarter in my opinion. Battle IQ to both or Yoda (since both are good strategist) wisdom yoda => and Cleverness to Dumbledore. End.
that was because the Jedi were aligned with the Republic and it's laws because they're on the side of order if they didn't comply there would be an earlier Jedi Purge and Sidious was clouding the minds of the Jedi with the Dark Side
Grindelwald may be a wizard but they have damn near the same durability as regular humans. Sidious can also use force lighting to destroy several ships.
1. Wizards don't have the same durability/endurance as regular muggles, Search that up 2. Sidious lightning can easly be imitated by the elder wand 3. If u want to accept the Fall of Skywalker as canon, We don't even know how sidious survived or if that is a clone are whatever the f*. 4. He did not even destroy everything, many x-wings just fell over. 5. His lightning (some fricken how) was defeated by two thin laser swords.
@@The.Jedi.Wizard 1. Wizards are not necessarily more durable, their magic subconsciously protects them and acts out of instinct. And I said damn near not the same. 2. The elder wand literally is never stated nor shown to have the ability to imitate anything. The imitation comes from the wizard themself not the wand. 3. This is accurate 4. This is accurate 5. Sequels aren’t canon to most fans but lightsabers are capable of that. (Shouldn’t have stopped the thunderstorm he shot out his fingertips)
1. Wizards have more resistance to sickness, They tend to have longer life expectancy than muggles, they have potions and spells that heal wounds at another level, they have been stated to resist things that would kill a muggle, i heard the poison of a scorpion wont be enough to kill a wizard. Also Harry Potter has the durability of a horrocrux, which is high. So Durability is not exactly the same (I would say jedi => durability than wizards overall) 2. Let me clarify what i meant; Wizards have the lightning spell. The elder wand, cause its the most powerful wand, can possibly create a lightning blast powerful to match Palpaltine's lightning, at the end of Deathly Hallows 1 Voldemort used a lightning like spell at the air to test the elder wand, even thou the wand was not truly his. Imagine how powerful it would have been if its truly his. And Dumbledore who is > Voldemort and has the loyalty of the wand can under that logic create such lightning even more powerful. 3. 👍 4. 👍 5. 👍
What an amazing edit, u win a like and a subscriber bro. The only thing i might disagree is that i beleive that Dumbledore has proven to be smarter than yoda and that in battle IQ they are equal since both are great strategists. Also some points bewteen all thse characters were so close that i would have given both a point.
when the force user snaps the wand in less than 0,1 seconds. The magician has nothing that can match a saber, lightning, force crush, mind trick, nor are they as fast. It's neg diff on a high alert
I think we can't really know how the fights would end. We don't know if lightsabers can block spells. And saying "sTaR WaRS wInS BEcaUsE fORce chOkE" is not valid because wizards can disaperate. Really cool edit. Love both universes
well spells are energy so lightsabers can block them even if you come up with the "ooh but the avada is unstoppable" they can stop the spell with the force like they do with blaster shots
I would give power to Voldemort and Grindelwald (unless it's Palpatine in Legends or Palpatine in Rise of Skywalker empowered by all the sith). Also, dueling in Harry Potter is completely different from Star Wars. How do you compare them?
No voldemort is not useless without a wand. Even as a kid. He can teleport, torture, use mental attacks, fly, turn into dark shadows, use telekinesis, use any spell except the unforgivable curses, thoi it would take him more time and effort and it would be weaker. Also something that many people ignore or forget is that wizards have the passive ability of damaging electronics and technology, how much would vaders life support like that?
Also Voldy, just like harry did when he was a fricken kid, can wandlessly use the banishing spell, take away Vader respirator and armor and he would die.
W edit right there also, imagine hp spells combined with the force magiks (nightsister magik and etc.)it would be CRAZY sw is above hp in everyway, but one mistake from the force user, and that avada kedavra, glacius, duro, and like any lethal or freezing type of spells hits and then its gg like, sw takes EVERYTHING, but one mistake means gg for sw i love both verses, but sw simply wins no diff or lower if possible, but even though it is no diff-, it could go both ways, since mistakes are a possiblity
Doesn't even need the Death Star, Sidious alone could do it with a force storm, or if not, a single blast of that powerful lightning from Rise of Skywalker will be enough.
False. Harry Potter magic users bodies are as durable as captain America. They can react to lighting and they can move a little faster than the speed of sound. They aren't normal humans they are magical beings. Magic is literally inside tbeir bodies like the force is inside Jedi. Plus they have the advantage of a magic that creates a energy field that can short out technology. Which is why they use magic energy instead of electrical energy to power radios, cars, etc. Plus they have two spells that no force user in Star Wars canon can stop. Fiendfyre and Protego Diabólica. Force users cannot stop Dementors from sucking out their souls either since they cannot cast the only defence against Dementors.
Palpatine definitely isn't Grindelwald, he's more like Voldemort and Anakin/Vader is Snape. Vader was not the main villain, he just served a greater evil and later turned to good and betrayed the main villain to defeat him and save the son of the woman he loved, just like Snape. Although Luke is Anakin's own son and Harry is not Snape's, but it is similar. Palpatine and Voldemort are both main villains of these stories.
@@Dunny420 Although he didn't really work for Voldemort during the main storyline, he did work for Voldemort during his first rise when he betrayed him to save Lilly and warned Dumbledore that Voldemort wanted to kill Lilly and her family and has been a double agent ever since. It was in a flashback in the last movie.
I love both franchises so i don't really care. Also you can't really compare the two it's completely different. Fantasy vs sci- fi. Both have their strength and weaknesses.
IQ should have gone to both, its close. Voldy is a genius in magic (created 7 horocruxes an insanely difficult feat) and anakin/vader a genius in mechanics (built robots from young age). Battle IQ to vader no question and if wisdom/cleverness was added to vader too it would go.
Tom riddle was as a genius and smart as anakin, just in a different area since hp has no technological wounders, even jar jar binks can help build pod racers , that does not mean he is smarter. IQ to both, Wisdom/Cleverness to Vader so as BIQ
Nuh uh. A not that powerful Force user can just one-shot the planet. Besides, why would it matter? Teleportation is limited by CR speed, and SW characters are MFTL+
Do you even know what Hermione is capable off? Ahsoka would have to deal with the hundreds of spells Hermione knows, including her powerful magical force shields. Ahsoka wins is Hermione doesn't know what she is facing. Is 50-50 is Hermione knows what a jedi is and has chosen her spells.
According to the Mandalorian season 2 Luke is way above Ahsoka and would easily beat her. And she also acknowledged Luke's superiority over her in a way in the book of bobbafett.
It would be more interesting if you put pure live action versions against each other. Ofc, Star Wars would mostly lose. But Harry Potter trounces Disney Star Wars in writing anyway, sad to say.
I think Wizard from movies + books vs jedis from movies + tv shows (rebels clone wars mandalorian) and any source that does not contradict either in power scaling logic (like legends, EU some books and some video games do) or in plot/story/characters (like the sinful sequel trilogy) would make this a cool and fair fight.
most wizards except for dumbbledore and voldemort and maybe few others need wand for spells. you can unarm most wizards using force pull and after that it's game over.
I think most wizards and witches know how to casts spells without a wand, because if I remember correctly, hogwarts taught them this, at least in the books
@@HorusLupercal866 true, but the force won't really work on a wizard/witch either since witches/wizards can apparate (apparating is basically teleporting) so it's essentislly wand vs lightsaber
ehhh forgot how harry inflated someone and fricken made stuff disappear from existence? Forgot how tom riddle when he was a kid he tortured people without him knowing a thing about magic? They might be weaker, but still usefull.
True, thats why most wizards would lose quick in a blind fight. But if they are aware that they have to defend their wand against power telekinesis they have ways to shield.
