Owen Stewart I mean if you think about it he could have opened a small portion of the gate to allow a small beam to escape the shield in the opposite direction of everyone in the gate room. (Effectively making a shaped explosion in the opposite direction)
@@MrCoolguy425 that's what he did. They cut to outside to be cliffhanger. Problem was it didnt work fully cause drama. Honestly this scene was a bunch of "bad thing happens because plot"
I don't care what anyone says. Bringing the explosion of a chain reaction of nukes down to an ACME bomb was a huge feat of ingenuity by Sheppard and also a feat of engineering by Zelenka.
I am Czech and I just love Radek's quotes, because in Czech version lot of his swearing was censored. But it's great to see him in the original, saying things like "I'm trying, do prdele" and such
@@owtena That particular line would loosely translated mean something like "I'm fucking trying" and he had a lot of other lines like this, like "Man, this is such bullshit, what kind of idiot thought about sending us under water this time" when he goes with Sheppard to rescue Rodney who crashed into the ocean with puddle jumper. And in the episode in the first season when they are recording messages for their loved ones before the Wraith attack, there is no profanity, but he basically tells his wife or girlfriend about everything that has been going on in Atlantis and how kickass it was, despite her having zero security clearence xD
@@martinh.5193 Thank you! Do you remember what he was saying when they got back from planet with children, when he was covered in different colors? I was always wondering 🤔😄
@@owtena I don't really remember him saying anything in czech in the end of an episode, but in the beginning he says something like: "Say hi to the kids from me" - Oh, you are gonna get it from me later, you're such an idiot!
@@owtena There you are, a majority of Radek's Czech lines (including the children planet) is translated here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7CmaE4oILck.html In this specific clip he's just saying "What's that? What's happening?"
You know I only realize this now years later washing in retrospect, but the writers of the show sure did like to blow up a lot of critical infrastructure for plot convenience, didn't they?
An unfortunate effect of tech power creep. Plus they used this idea before. Yet I still enjoyed the episode(s), because even if you know all this, the suspense remains and the acting and pacing still works. So yeah: you're technically right. But also: whatever.
Well if you think about it, having access to the Atlantian database they should have been able to find solutions to pretty much any problem they had aside from the Wreight. I was always astonished that they had no way to sort that information like a search engine.
In fairness, for only about 2 or so minutes of work, Radek did one hell of a job condensing a dozen nuclear blasts down to the size of a single room exploding (and not even a strong enough blast to hurt him or Sheppard). That's the difference between a grenade exploding compared to a bubble popping.
Personally I think SG-1 & SG-A were consistently good, and that the Ori arc is rather underrated overall. The Credit Crunch put paid to both though, as MGM suddenly was in dire straits financially, and the cost of filming in Canada had shot up.
Those Dell Laptops they have are so cool. I loved the way the business laptops were designed around this time so nice looking and well built. They still run even til this day and held up great.
@ComocosonoEWL I've watched every episode of SGA and have no memory of any event. And it makes no sense, the gate itself exploded which would have instantly cut off the wormhole. The energy from the blast was diffused by the cities shields.
@ComocosonoEWL No it was because of the Vanir having Daniel Jackson and Rodney McKay activating the Attero device, a machine capable of destroying any wraith ship that tried to make a subspace window. The unrealized consequence was that it caused residual energy buildup in the event horizon of any wormhole formed that would basically destroy any Stargate that had an active wormhole at the same time the device was on.
The shield was absorbing tons of energy with every pulse. The fireball was trying to expand, it hits the shield and is reflected back towards the center until the pressure once again reverses the direction and sends it towards the shield once more. This keeps happening over and over as a series of high-frequency pulses and the shield is absorbing energy with each new hit.
An additional command to 'everyone who doesn't need to be here get to the edge of the city..." would have been... "Anyone who can fly a jumper, get upstairs and fly one to the edge of the city. For all they knew the blast when it happened could have also taken out thye jumper room above the gate room. Oh the joys have growing up reading the classical science fiction novels :)
Being part of Mensa proves that he can think logically and his military training taught him to remain calm and focused during stressful situations. While others panic he can think of ideas that the technicians/scientist can use. He probably doesn't know HOW to collapse the City shield, but can tell Zelenka to do it.
Dunno about you, but the defining moment of SGA for me was, when the Deadalus appeared in The Siege Part II and the scene cut to Colonel Caldwell announcing who he is.
@Alduin the Anti-Dragonborn, even if he did mean beam weapon instead of transporters. The drones have been shown to have limitations in terms of damage they can do to certain targets in small numbers or those with Alteran level shields. Seeing as they are a resource that can’t at any known point be replicated and with a finite number, having an energy based weapons system would be advantageous.
Yeah, in an SG-1 episode it's confirmed that they can't do that. And a forcefield with a ball of plasma inside would likely also not work or the plot would collapse in on itself.
David Nykl was very young when his parents moved to Canada. He's the 'Russian' guy with a black beard on Arrow. Oddly enough, I Googled him earlier today. I'm doing an Arrow marathon on Netflix.
Zelenka:"Gate exploding is equivalent of dozen nuclear explosion" Sheppard(paraphased): "You could have mention not to look into the blast" What did Sheppard think?
Well to be fair I would expect shield to absorb/filter most of the light too, I mean if shield would not be able to block light then it would be pretty useless against any light/laser based weapons.
@@belisarian6429 blocking the light should have been a secondary idea once enough of the explosion was defused since it put more stain on the emitters and they were lucky they did not fully wreck them
Atlantis really was the Ancients at the height of their tech. Everything worked together like giant cogwheels in a machine. The city itself was the biggest star in this series if you ask me.
The writers on this show really outdid themselves with the characters. Hero, villain, major character, minor character, you couldn't help but like just about all of them. So much so that it got to me when Peter Grodin died. Hell, I liked Kolya! Then again, I like Robert Davi anyway. And, of course, the ever put-upon Zelenka.
+XerShade Eh, not exactly. More "We managed to recover the city after the Ancients got themselves butchered first by their own creations many thousands of years ago, then, after a group of Ancient survivors found the city and evicted us and were immediately butchered by a *different* set of their own creations (noticing a pattern?), we cleaned up their mess, again." All in all, the Tau'ri are far better caretakers than the Ancients ever were, and with far fewer resources to boot.
The Ascended does not care. They are having *fun* on the higher plane...(you know,they didn't care about the Ori for example)...ohh btw they didn't leave the city in our care....the expedition got lucky because 1 of them had the guts to help out in secret...(I think it's the guy who made the device which caused the gates to blow up XD)
I remember seeing this when it aired where I am. I also remember thinking, if they have such precise control of the Atlantis shield emitters, simply dial down the outward-facing ones, and allow the energy to bleed off on a somewhat directed manner. There was a large window behind the gate which you see in the outside shot. As long as there were no city structures in the way, all good. Worst-case, it might have capsized Atlantis, or they could have at least done zoomies around on the ocean surface with the city.
Everything about this scene is perfect! They succesfully built a great atmosphere of fear mixed with enthusiasm, everyone is being very objective and quick to act, Radek is being awesome in Rodney's absence, Sheppard is showing his unexpect smarts, as we've grown accostumed to see, and finally, the animations of the gate, the city shield collapsing around it and the explosion seen from outside, outstanding! The greatest sci-fi series of all time!
I know its a small point, but I really wish shows like Voyager (where the ship is stranded without a drydock to repair when extremely damaged), and Atlantis (where presumably the city is made of materials that are not reproducable by the humans living there) would tell how they repair significant damage for the next episode. I know in the episode with the replicators when Shepard blew up the control room, the tower is repaired by the Replicators, but when they are left to it themselves, I am curious how they (would) do it.
@@kirstymca For Atlantis purposes, the glass needed to be strong enough to withstand the pressure of the ocean - in case the city needed to be submerged and, strong enough to keep the pressure inside, in case the city needed to lift off again. A cheaper alternative might've been solid concrete instead of glass. Fortunately, Woolsey was in command of Atlantis, and he was probably able to pull some strings with the IOA when it comes to funding.
During this episode the macguffin was fucking with subspace to destroy Wraith ships. This frequency also messed with the Stargates essentially creating a feedback loop. The wormholes didn't go out thus the Stargate had an energy buildup in the horizon.
@@SoranoGuardias Yeah no that's not how wormholes work, you'd have a MUCH bigger issue than the gate exploding if you linked the same spot in space to itself. The gates function normally right until they start just keep making power generate at the event horizion of the wormhole's ends because Janus.
FUGlitchyLogin, a Ha'tak bolt is just that. A bolt. A blast that lasts less than a second. This was a minute. That's the equivalent of being hit with an entire beam bombardment, each beam hitting every point on the shield continuously without interruption. You saw how bad the shield fared against *one* continuous beam, or Weir would be having this convo with us. Imagine 5 trillion.
@@Xershade late reply but it is highly likely the city has something simular to the robots you see in SGU, most likely not as advanced as replicators, but enough to keep maintenece of the city if repairs were needed. would just need time and raw materials
You'd have really thought they'd retrofit the gate room and have installed a whole suite of blast doors and glass by now like the SGC. Hell probably they'd have moved the gate room to somewhere in the heart of the city by now specifically for this purpose. It kinda makes sense why the ancients didn't do it- they were pretty unconcerned with failure and appearances meant a lot to them
I appreciate how the scientists/engineers in SGA are all actually good at their job. Compare that to SG1 where all the scientists, that aren't Carter, are made to look like a bunch of imbeciles that are so bad at their supposed 'expertise' that they could barely pass a high school AP physics exam. Its sad when you see writers having to resort to making some characters incompetent just to try and make others look good. In the end it makes Rodney look more impressive than Carter because he's the most intelligent person among a lot of intelligent people, whereas Carter is almost always shown as only being smarter than a bunch of idiots. They even made Rodney look stupid when he first showed up in the franchise on SG1. Thankfully when they made SGA they saw the potential his character had and brought him onto the show where we got to see him actually being the genius he was always supposed to be.
and at the best part too. I wanted to see what happened with Ronon and everything else after Atlantis landed on Earth and finally had a full complement of ZPMs
I dunno about that... remember the time he blew up a star system? Sam also blew up a star system although in a different way? Zelenka is a small fry in the blowing things up category. :)
Alway thought he should have extended the shape of the shield bubble out the back side of the tower to spread the area the explosion had to dissipate. Most of the final explosion would then have been harmlessly outside and well above the city.
@@LyokoisGreat2 The city seemed to have control of the shield shape for the city, so it isn't a stretch to expect the gate shield was manipulatable as well. Even if it had to extend straight up, take out Jumper and save the control room.
@@lordofudead On the other hand if you'r options are immediate death or radiating the planet so that you still have time to evacuate..then that's not so bad idea. Maybe they could have created a thin "funnel" with those shields and direct that energy to space directly.
@@lordofudead Did they ever say if exploding Naquadah created radiation? I always assumed it was non radioactive seeing as Goa'uld hosts have it in their blood. Also they never once said the metal itself was radioactive like weapons grade uranium or plutonium.
Should have added the normal gate shield, since that would operate off a different set of emitter(s) - presumably far less powerful, but only a tiny amount bleeds through
Wouldn't have worked. That stops the wormhole and anything coming through. The entire stargate was detonating. Doubt the Gate shield works like the adaptable city shield.
With 20/20 hindsight yes. But I get the impression that the Ancients were like the Vorlons. Creating new concepts, without following them through to their conclusions, and after they left, the galaxy being littered with 'failled' experiments.
Man took, an explosion that could take out a small continent to "you can survive being in the same room as it, albeit with extreme, instant medical care
They've expanded and contracted the shield a number of times, there's no reason at all it couldn't function that small A sustained strain isn't the shields weakness, you're talking about the sustained beam from the replicators, that wasn't bad because the shield was specifically weak to it, just that it's harder for anything to protect against
@@andyt2k Even then they were at a power disadvantage. I don't think they had a geothermal power station on this planet so the power was strictly from their single zpm.
@DavidPennable Lets see a nuclear explosion is a few miles so about a dozen is way bigger. If the shield didn't encompass the whole gate, as soon as the explosion got bigger then the shield it would expand past it.
+("RNA0ROGER") You have to remember that the Atlantis Shield held an entire ocean at bay for 10,000 years under several atmospheres of pressure. So it is amazingly cool and awesome. :D
The one thing i wondered is could in theory the energy stored in the capsters of a stargate be channeled into other systems. since in theory if you could they could have beeld of the overloading surge of power but starting up systems like the stardrive
See, what they _should_ have done was open a hole in the back of the shield, the side facing away from the gate room, and allowed the pressure to shoot out through the hole. That would have greatly limited the damage while also reducing the amount of pressure on the shield. This would have let the shield last for the duration of the explosion.
Wouldnt they all be blind regardless if they didnt look directly into it. I know survivors of the atomic bombs dropped on Japan were blinded by the flash and this should be several 1000x more powerful
The shield would block it, because that's dangerous levels of energy. A shield that can't block heat, radiation, and blinding levels of light, would be a pretty useless shield.
The end of the episode based sci-fi genre. I miss Old Stargate, old Trek, with episode-based adventure, and a very light story ark. Now we got super short arc-based series. I like them but since SG:A I can't remember any good sci-fi like this. SG:U not exist for me. Maybe the Orville.
Orville is great. Can't wait for the new season - originally I thought it's going to be much more in the comedy genre but it turns out to be quite good as a sci fy too
SG:U also felt bad at the time, but compared to everything else when watched 10 years later it's actually quite good... if you liked BSG. (many people had the same think with ENT) Instead of more "dark" series that came afterwards, I feel that SG:U mas modeled after BSG, and sure it's not the TNG but still.
I don't see how that would have been possible; you're talking about two completely different types of energy - plus, the city shield emitters were never designed to take power from anywhere else EXCEPT the city itself; so, unless you think Radek can completely rebuild and reprogram the shield emitters in the seconds it would take to do what you're suggesting...all while using those SAME shields to protect the gate room and the city from the explosion while he was doing it - I just don't see it. The Ancients, or the Asgard, MIGHT have been able to pull it off - but not the Atlantis crew!
If you double the diameter of the shield, you increase the surface area of the shield by 4, but the volume of the sphere increases by 8. And since pressure is a factor of volume, that would reduce the energy required by the shield by half. All they had to do was let the shield expand a bit, and they could have contained the explosion no problem. Also, if all else failed, why not let the explosion vent in a controlled manner in a safe direction?
now if it wouldn't have been contained, it'd have been like a Tsar Bomb, and made a huge crater on the planet equal to the crater on Aegis 7 in Dead Space! :O
Yeah way worse than that, a gate exploding on sub-level 28 of the complex on earth would have had enough force left oever to screw over the planet completely. This gate and many others like it aren't buried several hundred feet underground. XD
@@Xershade That is actually terrifying, now that I've taken physics it makes sense to be MUCH larger of a blast since being underneath a mountain would continuously magnify it by causing the shockwave and heat to resonate until the mountain collapsed, and the shockwave after that would probably decimate the surface of the Earth.
I am a fanatic Stargate fan. But scientifically If all of the energy is blocked by the sheild that only makes your problem worse all they had to do was create a small opening in the sheild to direct the energy out the window.
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Maybe the wormhole was still alive and most of the explosion energy goes through it.
In the first season they were discussing how a self destruct of Atlantis wouldn't be enough and leave valuable data still intact. They should have just planned on using this lol, an explosion the size of a dozen nukes would probably completely disintegrate Atlantis
I'm pretty sure the Atlantis expedition was given the option of parking a Gatebuster at the base of the tower as a self-destruct device, though I seriously doubt they would have accepted the offer.
@@BogeyTheBear The other problem is you also can't normally get gates to explode on demand, you have to be doing something pretty deliberate to build up power like that, and its usually not something you can normally do. There's only two devices that we've seen make gates go boom, and those devices have gone boom.
Yeah, the self destruct could barely destroy the city in totality, but not enough obviously, while the dozen nukes explosion could destroy the whole planet without this powerful energy shield x)
@Xershade but the yield of the blast would have been directed out the window, the shield would have created a kicker to point it out the back, the shield would hold because it's only containing a part of the explosion, think like a linear shaped charge for demolition, directed energy,
Incidentally, this how how a photon torpedo in Star Trek is supposed to work: a matter-antimatter explosion is initiated and the fireball is kept contained in a force-field established within the torpedo casing. Energy is bled from this fireball to power the propulsion, and upon impact the field dissipates so the remaining energy in the fireball escapes at full force. The fireball is so bright that it shines clear through the normally-opaque torpedo casing, causing that signature glowing-ball look of a torpedo in flight.
This was true SciFi. It clearly is pseudo science gibberish nonsense like collapse shield around the gate etc. but I love it as a tech guy. This is pure fiction and love it. Shame the show was killed. It had another 5 years easily in it.
Different situation, that was an incoming wormhole, and a slow build up. This was an outgoing wormhole and no weapon acting on it from the other end. The build up happened so quickly that they discovered it in seconds, and the gate exploded in about a minute.
the only worse thing the writers did for this show, was to never allow the expidition to figure out where the ZPMs were made.. not even when dr Weir went to bck in time, or her replicator one..never gave the secret..that would have beenmy first demand..before anything else
