The most unrealistic part of this episode is that no one spray painted disparaging remarks about replicators on the bomb or titled it a bug brand suppository.
@@DieyoungDiefast Depending on context, terminal velocity for such a thing if earth's gravity and atmosphere (Air resistance), is probably that of a racecar or average passenger plane, which is actually quite slow in context (300 - 1000 km/h). As comparison an ICBM can reach up to 20.000 km/h, which is 20x times faster(this is actually cruise speed, boost speed is even faster) . It would take literally hours more if a rocket just "falls" to earth instead of being thrusted, if u want this kind of hemispherical spread.
@@DieyoungDiefast Rockets are faster than gravity - that's how our own rockets get *off* Earth. The sooner it's near its target, the less time the enemy has to shoot it down. Same reason it waits until the last minute to deploy the bomblets.
Yeah, to get a spread like that you'd need six missiles. Mind you, those warheads are in a ballistic trajectory soon as they leave the warhead bus-- they're not flying anywhere any more, they're _falling._
In this case...speed is the key. Get in close, fire fast, hit everything you hope for. Missiles on fighters have a certain amount of burnable energy and once that is spent they use controllable fins to make direction changes to get to where they need. So they came in close, fired asap, and then the warhead cover got them through the friction of the atmosphere FAST, once through...the 6 real and 4 dummy heads kicked in to make fast as possible momentum and energy and went in their own ways by the fins now working in atmosphere and since the targets were all mainly in the same area of the planet it was very easy. Even basic 500 dollar wing suits give you a 4 to1 glide ratio...imagine what a million dollar missile with gps guidance can do from 300 miles up at 4 to 1 or better. The ISS is only 225 miles up. That is like a 4 hour drive from Tallahassee fl to Pensacola Florida. So hitting the same side of the planet as they did is very plausible and legit in context of the show.
Czechs know their weapons. Centuries of Moravian gunmaking behind them. During the Cold War the Warsaw Pact nations could count on Czech-made firearms to be the best of the bunch.
If I had a Nickel for every time Michael Beach played a no-nonsense militarist in a long-running Sci-fi T.V. show, I'd have two Nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's wierd that it happened twice.
@@AlShas66 If I had a Nickel for every time Michael Beach co-starred with Jason Momoa in a fiction about atlantis, I'd have two Nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's wierd that it happened twice.
it bothers me that they are using nukes when their ship's sublight engines can easily get to a significant fraction of C. At that speed, any random rock turns into a planet cracker.
They didn’t want to crack the planet and commit genocide. They wanted to hit all the shipyards only and send a deterrent message to the Asurans. Weir thought that was a bad idea but not her call.
would be better to just beam a super Naquadria-enhanced nuclear warhead to that planet core, whole rock goes kabum , problem solve but then we would not have the episode
It occurs to me that in this setting, due to high energy materials like naquada and ZPMs being used, there would likely be huge secondary explosions in an attack like this. In a modern nuclear war, you would have wildfires, oilfield fires, refinery fires and explosions, factory explosions, warehouse explosions, etc. That's without those factories, refineries, plants, warehouses, etc holding anything more than modern munitions, fertilizer, lithium batteries, chemicals, stuff like that.
And Nuclear power plant to Real go Fission Boom... Not hidrogen boom like Chernobyl, Fukushima😅.. those have tons of Uranium vs kilograms in 🚀🚀🚀. See The 100 moment when all nuclear plants left derelict 150years go boom...
We know that Naquada is very stable unless energized extremely. Which means unless the nuke goes of directly on top of it, the Naquadah will not react. Different with Naquadriah.
What separates Stargate from Star Trek is that the characters at Stargate Command were willing to use military action when necessary. The federation was always far too peaceful in most situations
@@jackoneill1336 Boring only to rednecks who want to shoot something at any cost. Reality is, that behavior of Tauri in Atlantis was far to aggressive. So they had to have lot of luck to survive (and war with Asurans was example of that luck, remember, Tauri started that war, not Asurans).
@@tomascernak6112 Not true the Asurans sent a ship to destroy Atlantis the first time we met them. Then they attacked and took Atlantis. Then they finally built war ships to go after Atlantis. They started the war. The real reality is the Federation could never actually exist because they lack the will to fight their enemies. I feel like the evolution of earth in throughout the series is pretty realistic. Earth prefers peace. But they don’t lack the will to fight back when need be
@@jackoneill1336 The Federation has gotten so good at negotiation and instituting the infrastructure to uplift warp-ready societies that they rarely _need_ to war.
a good plan, a solid plan, but they were about 10,000 warheads short to actually make a dent on the replicators. edit also how great is that 1 long cgi cut of the launch all the way to detonation. You hardly see that sort of thing in full movies, let alone a mere tv show
All ships and their shipyards got destroyed. That is a 100% success rate of the mission. As he said, he _would_ have prefered a one hit kill Anti-Rep satellite. But that one was still in development.
@@icer1249 The problem was that the replicators didn't need those ships to attack Atlantis. Their gate weapon was sufficient. (Obviously Atlantis managed to escape, but barely.)
The replicators should have been able to defend themselves easily. They should have been tracking the Apollo through hyperspace, and even if not, they are computers, they think at the speed of light and they have access to advanced weapons and defensive shields. Their sensors would have told them exactly what was coming and their drones would have been able to take out the missiles with ease.
You have to make allowances with stories that feature robots/AIs warring with humans; played absolutely "realistically", the slower and squishier humans will get their asses handed to them ninety-nine times out of one-hundred.
"Think at the speed of light" isn't really a thing that makes sense. What makes you think a computer would think faster than a human? Even if they do think faster putting thoughts into physical actions takes however long it takes.
@@Milamberinx Human thought relies on chemical signalling across synaptic gaps, a process that is glacially slow compared to even today's computers. One method of measuring how fast computers operate is to count the number of "floating point arithmatic operations" they can perform per second. Which is essentially how many math calculations it can do per second, the current record being 149 petaFlOps (149*10^15 operations per second). How many calculations can you do with your brain per second?
@@asvarien that's not a logical comparison, if you construct floating point units from neural tissue you'll get staggeringly high numbers as well. We're talking about thought though, cramming a thought into a computer is not the same as cramming numbers in.
2:13 Hey look it's Judgement day. They surely went all out with effects when they wanted...I believe the destruction of Abydos was also some hyper expensive CGI done?
yeah I think it was Weir who said about this that it was an "ineffectual first strike" and so pointless, but she was overruled because it was felt the immediate threat of their ships had to be dealt with. They just never anticipated the ingenuity of the replicators in their response.
@@LainK1978 The replicators had plenty of time to find out what were approaching and would know that the missiles were harmful. I think Shepard flew a shuttle to confirm damage or the ship that launched the missiles confirmed damage. I think a better story to justify the subsequent counter strike by the replicators would have been that the missle strikes were ineffective but that accelerated the replicators attack on Atlantis, etc.
Yeah, I always hated that part of this scene. I always wondered why they didn't just turn on the shields they undoubtedly put over their cities. I mean, yes the Wraith managed to make them non-hostile, but their core programming was still a military tool so one would think that they'd default to 'build a militarily secure facility' (i.e. with shields) even if they were building civilian structures.
@@lisawarner4646Actually No. Jonas Quinn explained that Naquadria is not the same as Naquada which they are also familiar with. It is later discovered that a Goa'uld created Naquadria in a lab while trying to enhance the Naquada output. It is a less stable isotope created when Naquada is exposed to certain radiations.
@@WelvereinYT Jonas Quinns home planet was also the only one with Naquadria until they were force render it inert due to rampant tectonic instability. If memory serves there was a serious risk of a major magma vein crossing a major Naquadria vein and of it did it would cause cascade ignitions of all the Naquadria veins.
You know what? When the next Stargate show comes out and it will inevitably have the programme go public (because with that much personnel? Especially with the best scientists all over the world constantly going missing without publishing any of their work? At least the other scientists will notice... They were already suspicious with Jackson and McKay when they stopped publishing, imagine dozens or hundreds of the brightest minds. And on top of that, the public missions to the Moon and Mars would either stop because there would be no need for that anymore or they would still take place but would be just a giant waste of money). So when all of that, I want someone to point out to the SGC, IOA and Homeworld Security that they were responsible for at least 4 genocides, leaving a chaotic power-vacuum in 3 galaxies. Yes, they were villains. But just randomly bringing planet-wide nukes? That's some villain thinking right there.
I've been rewatching SGA lately and it occurs to me that their mindset when it comes to the retrovirus is also very villainous. They justify it as "removing the danger the Wraith pose by turning them into humans and removing their need to feed off humans to survive." What they're not addressing is that the Wraith EVOLVED from the Iratus bug over millennia. So what they're really doing is analogous to looking at a shark and saying "I don't like that it sometimes attacks humans so I'm going to completely rewrite it's genetic code until I'm happy with it."
@@MrMikellsof88 there are only four options with the wraith, leave everything as is, so mass cullings of humans and destruction of advancing civilisations kill them all use the retrovirus to make them human, which they aren't going to be happy with and last of all, the use of a modified version of the Hoffan drug that allows the feeding victim to survive and not kill the wraith, I think this was the way they were going for in the series and did in the books
There weren't any, the only targets were shipyards. They were building fleets of warships, that's what the entire reason behind this strike was, nothing more.
@SCP-0001 In the next scene that wasn't included in this cut, when they were looking at the damage, Rodney says "If this data is correct, then all of your primaries and most of your secondaries have been incinerated." I'd imagine that the shipyards are the primary targets. Then what are the secondaries?
@@warenmongers5405 and ? Are your Ego was hurt by them what i sayed as a joke? Even if America goes EV in 10 Years! Than they wood need Atomreakted Warships, how is to Expensive!!! Only the Cars and Transport in the landscape will go EV. What means that ships will need the good old Diesel!
I would like to take a moment to remind everyone that it was the Atlantis crew who activated the attack command on the replicators, and made them prepare for war in the first place. Shortly before they nuked the planet to hell for doing what they told them to... The Tau'ri are legitimately the bad guys here.
Really, I think you have a bias here that you are unaware of, you want to be first in your class, you can either study hard or poison all of your classmates, it doesn't matter which you chose because any classmate who doesn't take the poison is the bad guy here. They were told to attack the Wraith, they stopped attacking the Wraith and started attacking Human worlds because they are defective.
@@TheOmegaXicor I distinctly remember rewatching the show and noticing that they didn't start wiping out human worlds until AFTER this episode. At this point in the series they hadn't done anything wrong yet to justify the bombing. So yeah, my point stands.
They weren't trying to get rid of the Replicators. The warheads had specific targets, shipyards. This was to take out the warships they were building nothing more.
as of military strategy as of the war head it was more than 6 warheads but the others were decoys same as what we do in the usa our missles have 3 war heads with only 2 being nuclear a one a decoy
It's actually fairly common in the current design of MIRV strategic missile. You have decoys to reduce the interception risk of a live warhead. The defense need to track and kill 10 or 12, not knowing which one is live.
This is total nonsense. Why not just beam the nukes down? Why so few? And why? And why they didn't move Atlantis? MIRV's don't work like that. And the replicators not guarding the orbit? Those MIRV's would get droned hard.
The only reason I can think of is they didn't have enough naquadria. Their only source at that time was trading for it with Langara, which if I remember correctly, was taken over by the Ori at that point. The other thing is Ellis said their mission objective is to destroy the ships, not all the Replicators. Which is a bit silly, but, well... Another terrible call by the IOA, perhaps? As for beaming, MIRVs and drones, I agree, it's like the writers went for "the rule of cool" rather than what would feel sensible. And they probably preferred to have a nice looking CGI scene rather than a minute of exposition why "the sensible thing" wouldn't work in that case.
They can't remove the safeguards on beaming weapons directly without an Asgard present. They were resource limited (that's why so few), and in case you missed it, the military is always loath to change standard practice in any case. They had no idea moving Atlantis would be required, it is Atlantis... on Lantia. They only have one ZPM and it was damn near impossible to move the city before they had to. Necessity is the mother of invention, not precognition or the 20/20 heindsight of a couch.
@@SardonicALLY they had 3 just after the Return and a location possibly known to the Wraith and surely known to the Replicators, so the point still stands! + plenty of naqudah and the Asguard would surely approve
Ancients² (Replicators) with the equivalent of hundreds of maybe thousands of installations such as Atlantis just couldn't shoot down that rocket. Yeah, right, they just waited and did nothing.
Yeah, that always got me. In tech terms, that missile is freaking slow and any half decent AMS or PDL's could have made short work before it go to anywhere close to a threatening distance.
