The Odyssey slingshots around the blackhole, beams a nuke onto the Wraith Hive ship blowing it up next to the stargate making the connection jump to the Supergate where the Ori ship is caught in the unstable vortex.
@@Tembel_Kopek Based on some quick research, time dilation only starts to matter when you enter the Black Hole's event horizon. Simply orbiting around it would only add a few seconds per minute.
They used knowledge and technology from previous exploits (black hole keeps the gate open, explosion can cause the wormhole to switch gate on the other end) combined with the advancement in the story (they have two galaxies and know how to open a gate between them) to great success. Now this is continuity!
@@bobg9922 The Expanse is the only modern show that comes close. The writing is as good. Shame most modern shows are like 8 - 10 episodes a season too....
Naa man, they should have just had 100 Mjolnier class ships rise out of the black hole’s surface as they had been build in the black hole to be undetected… that’s how you really do stakes and twists and continuity according to Disney.
But for SG1 this was only a Tuesday! They did much more including destroying a lifeform in two galaxies at the same time, destroying ascended beings in a far galaxy, and destroying a religion in two galaxies at the same time!
I wonder what proportion of the audience appreciated that Ben Browder was given the 'sling shot manoeuvre' line of dialogue; a fairly subtle nod to Farscape.
@@philip-op6de I just saw an interview with Joe Mallozzi where he said season ten was the one season they thought they weren't going to get cancelled. He said they all found out at the 200th episode party.
I love that the kawoosh is just this utterly unmatched force of pure destruction in this verse. *Nothing* survives contact with whatever dimension bending forces are occurring during wormhole formation.
@@Misteri0123 IIRC the rationale is that it’s so close to the even horizon that the gate’s energy is contained within itself, but I don’t remember 100%
@@Misteri0123 so close to the event horizon that it doesnt form , beyond particle formation size , makes sense , but you let a little space in there and the kawoosh can form and excavate a larger cavern
It's a shame we didn't have the understanding of black holes that we have now. Picture this scene but with the modern render of the accretion disk of a black hole. That would have been so epic.
We always had understanding that black holes are not sink holes but black spheres. But no one have really give a damn about their visualization in Sci-Fi before Interstellar came out. This is what people expected for black hole to look like so this is what they gave us.
If this Stargate episode was written with current understanding of black holes, there would be an on screen disclaimer every 30 seconds: THIS, OF COURSE, IS IMPOSSIBLE. It was still a great episode and Stargate is consistently good entertainment.
@@jeffsaffron5647 The astrophysicist Jean-Pierre Luminet did a render of blackhole in 1979 in "Astronomy and Astrophysics". The accretion disk was no different than today.
Killed multiple "gods" ending a 5 millenia long galactic tyranny, defeated an extra-galactic horde of self-replicating grey goo robots whose defenses stumped races with tens of thousands of years more technology, blew up a sun to kill an entire fleet of ships, used a single explosion to blow up 2 of the most powerful class of ships ever built with each ship being 3 million lightyears away at the time, killed an entire race of ascended beings (actual gods this time), manipulated time travel to screw their enemies on multiple occasions even when their enemies *also* used time travel to screw them first, flew planet killing asteroids through hyperspace to save earth, maybe also saved earth in a few other dimensions as well because they had time to kill between all the other heroics, and those are just the first few I can think of. So yes, terrifying indeed.
What many never caught is that this is effectively Ben Browder's character (Mitchell( doing in Stargate what his character (Creighton) was attempting to do in the pilot of Farscape. The episode even had Claudia Black who co-stared with him (she was in the scenes on Atlantis).
That's what popped into my mind when I first saw this episode. Just like when Vala brought up the wormhole extreme idea in the concept of Farscape which Claudia Black and Ben Browder both stared in
@@Shorty_D1606 Best part about that is originally Browder was going to be Creighton but he said to keep with the running gag it should be Shanks. The only thing they missed with that is they should have had Thor Rygal let one rip.
@@r4vendusk nukes PLUS the main capacitor of a hive ship! or is it multiplied by the nukes like with naqudah? naquadah of the gate multiply the jet a hundred fold like ra said naquadah works with nuke devices/energy?
@@peterolsen9131 Remember the Ori tanked a kamikaze from a Goauld Hatak. Slammed the whole ship right into the Ori ship and the Ori ship just said "Meh."
One thing that the Stargate franchise is well known for is proving that while we humans may not be the strongest or the most technologically advanced race… we’re DAMN good at war.
@@neolexiousneolexian6079 I was talking about in the context of the show's lore... as in compared to shows like Star Trek, where they quite often get battered by different aliens. It's kinda hard to prove anything for IRL, given that we've not had (public) contact with alien species.
Unfortunate that they got Teal'c's voice modulation backwards. With time flowing slower for the _Odyssey_ near the black hole, Teal'c would've sounded more in the direction of a chipmunk over comms.
If they actually got the time dilation in here in the first place, I'd say they knew about that and tried it. My guess is that it sounded so stupid that they kept with the lower voice as most people wouldn't spot the problem.
It would not even have been a close fight. The Oris are just over the top. I would rank the stargate enemies that way; 1) The Oris 2) The replicators 2.1) Anubis 3) The wraiths 4) The Goa'ulds 5) The Ashens
@@Stephen64138 tbh ... the ashen under goauld? rly? is it needed tto remind you they beat the crap out of the goauld at the end? and you dont mention neither the asgard, the tolan (clearly above goaul, beaten only by anubis/ancient tech, the hell advanced enough to build they own gate), the nox and so on btw the wraith, no matter how, defeated the ancients, they would eat anubis anyday
@@Namo-xx1sz The ashens beated the Goa'uld's in an alternate reality. Not in canon. Also I ranked them according to the threat they represented overall in the show. I do think the ashens were great vilains and very dangerous. But in the grand scheme of things, they were defeated in two episodes. It took 8+ seasons to defeat the Goa'ulds system lords. Plus Baal used a time machine to attack Earth in the past. Regarding the asgards, tollans and Nox, may I point out I ranked the 'ennemies of Stargate', not their buddies. Finally, I think you confuse the lanthians with the ancients. I don't care how powerful the lanthians were, they are not comparable to their ascended form.
@@Namo-xx1sz Let's not forget that the Tollans are the only ones it seems that can phase through solid matter. Anubis himself couldn't do it, and he had the Ancient's knowledge, so that also means that even the Ancients couldn't do it. The Asgard couldn't either. Still, Anubis bested their defenses, so they weren't perfect.
@@Stephen64138 It's not an alternate reality. It was the original timeline, and once they sent the note back in time, they caused an alternate reality, and for some reason we treat the new one as if it's the original. Same thing happens in Atlantis. Before I Sleep is the true first episode because it's what happens the first time, aka the original timeline. Altering history causes an alternate reality, it doesn't turn the current one into the original one, or canon, even though they seem to treat it that way.
Yeah, except you couldn’t survive the shearing forces in the ergosphere region….and it so close to the event horizon you’d risk going too deep and not coming back. It would need to be a huge Black Hole for gravitational tidal forces to be survivable.
Are the good old days when sci-fi shows still didn’t know what black holes actually look like but still I have to say the Stargate series was one of the best sci-fi shows ever released that’s right even better than star track when it comes to re-watching a show I have a much easier time re-watching Stargate than star truck
Colonel Mitchell "We'll do a sling shot manoeuvrer to throw us out and... *stares off into the distance* Colonel Carter: Mitchell?? Colonel Mitchell: What? Who? woah... Sorry Carter, bit of uh PTSD there. When we do just uh have sensors sweeping for wormholes. We dont wanna end up in another galaxy.
I always felt it was kind of badass to be the comms relay guy. Like all he's doing is delivering a message. But hes doing so by sending it out into the void, not knowing if the message was ever received, yet his role had an integral effect on the success of the entire mission. Very underrated role.
Seems like the Wraith missed their chance to send darts, troops and maybe a queen to Milky Way galaxy using the gate linked to the super gate. Could’ve tried getting the star map data required to tell hives which direction to go at least using the long way to get there. Since it was some time until they disconnected the pegasus gate so they could travel to the ori galaxy.
We don’t know what would happen if they tried that, if they even knew the gate was there, after all, that ship didn’t exactly stay around to share the news
@@dereckguerra6863 better question, what happens if matter entered that wormhole? the ship is say 3m by 10 m. if it enters does it get scaled up to 300m by 1000m? or does it come out the same?
@@icer1249 Judging from the fact that an Ancient built a mini-gate in Carter's basement and came out the other side fine, I am fairly certain that matter is transmitted and reconstituted as it was sent. So if a big ship comes out of a small gate.... that would be interesting.
Sadly SG 23 that was on the Wraith Ship somewhere in the corridors exploring and SG 43, SG 44 on the Ori Ship doing the same where lost that day. Other than that, hell yea what a day.
Loved this episode. I was wondering if Atlantis was ever going to do anything with that gate. For a short time, they had a constant and direct conduit to the Milky Way galaxy. I thought that it would be a great idea for a few hundred wraith darts fly through and set up a colony on the nearest wraith livable planet. They could use their beaming tech to bring hundreds of wraith.
Bummer they didn't have the new understanding on black holes... would've looked wicked cool, because you'd see the ship disappear around the black hole, then see it turn around the black hole at the same time, because of the bent space.
How the FUCK did I just now realize that this slingshot maneuver that Ben/Cam is mentioning is something he as John Chrichton also does in the pilot episode of Farscape?!
Would've been great if there was a 6th season of Stargate Atlantis, but that's just my opinion. If anyone wants to second, or in Layman's Terms go against it, I'm more than willing to hear what you all have to say.
something i have only just spotted... but if time was slower for the people close to the black hole shouldn't Teal'c voice been sped up to them? and theirs slowed down to teal'c? like i watch sg1 as it aired and I am only just now thinking about it.
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This show would have NEVER been as good without Teal'c. Christopher Judge really nailed that role. This is what I was saying about the BS "lack of inclusivity". Teal'c was an African American actor, so was the Commander of the Apollo. So why are they say the older shows weren't inclusive? I think everyone who loves the Stargate franchise knew Teal'c added a character who went from one of the most hardcore Jaffa of Apophis (He was his First Prime), to being a warm and human character who found the best of himself living among the Tau'ri.
No, that's not how it works. Odyssey would still take 30 seconds for the maneuver from Teal'c's point of view. What would happen is the few seconds that Odyssey was near the black hole from Teal'c's perspective would be a small fraction of a second from Odyssey's crew's point of view. Hence at 2:35 we see everything on board Odyssey going in slow motion. That thing of being stuck in time dilation near a black hole for millennia only works that way if Odyssey was in orbit close to the black hole and decided to get out after a few minutes passed from the crew's point of view.
There's a great fan theory that ascended Ancients made sure this otherwise insane plan worked, in much the same way Morgan La Fay tried to trick Jacksoni nto thinking he had done all the work in the same episode
@@UGNAvalon I mean this is what I love all this stuff was the big payoff and the grand vision from the first mission through to Abydos and all the following missions and now you see the logical development of the program. It's awesome I love it.
@@UGNAvalonand still no modern writing, like 1 Story over a complete Season crap. We take this from Episode 34, take that from Episode 78 and now we got an Spaceship. And the first one wasnt Overpowered, also Logic. I just love it.
This was years before anyone really knew what a black hole looked like. It wasn't until Interstellar that there was a realistic depiction of a black hole in popular culture. Plus the first picture of a real black hole was taken only two years ago.
@@shimitty If I could add, Interstellar black hole was created by a high tech physic simulation, including the wormhole, how ever the Interior of the worm hole was stretched for cinematic purpose. the going in and out should have been nearly instant. As for the resent black hole pictures. If I am not wrong they are not real pictures. Its thousands of terabyte of data from radio telescopes collected over a period of time and then it spent even longer being analyses by algorithms and then a simple black and white pixel image was generated which was then colored. Some people claim they toke a second picture but it is in fact the same picture except they were able to analyses the movement of the gas and just rendered in some lines to give the illusion of movement. Although I am studying computer science I have not yet taken the course on image processing and generation so this is only speculation but from my understanding, the image is much more akin to a a simulation using real data then to be an actual picture of a black hole. I think that for many years to come, the simulation of the black hole in interstellar is the closes thing we will have to a picture of an up close black hole with an accretion disk. We just don't have the technology yet to take a real picture of a black hole. If you are interested in the worm hole simulation that is more realistic, I think Scott manly made a video about some simulations you can find online
the only thing wrong with this slingshot is that even though it's technically possible assuming the ship is advanced enough but what's not is time dilation not taken for account
that's right we blew up a spaceship with another spaceship that we blew up from a THIRD ship! Murica ladies and gents (teal'c was adopted by a us military installation so it counts)
