Starmer Cancels Rwanda Scheme Calling It "Dead And Buried"! 

I think he's also talking to Reform and Tory voters to mollify them

That’s my take too. Max doesn’t miss a chance to have a go at Starmer..

That's exactly how I heard it as well. I found his speech, along with a sense of hope, impressive, to say the least.

I agree, he wasn't saying his government would support a deterrent strategy, just that the rwanda plan failed at even accomplishing that

Yes, I agree absolutely - I like Max but sometimes his reasoning is a little strained.

I agree, but I don't live in a poor area where there are lots of asylum seekers. I can understand the resentment in those places and sadly Braverman and Farage have exploited it. I just hope that Starmer is able to find a more positive way to deal with it.

Stop calling it illegal immigration! Do you not understand international law. You lot closed down ALL of the safe routes therefore immigrants HAVE to reach these shores to apply. Use just a little bit of common sense before you make these wild statements. THEIR APPLICATION HAS TO BE REFUSED AND THEY HAVE TO REFUSE TO LEAVE BEFORE THEY BECOME ILLEGAL. Now do you understand?

​@@mrd64here's a bright idea 1. Why is asylum processing privatised? 2. Why are we dumping asylum seekers in specific areas? 3. Why do we have deprived areas? Fixing these issues would fix the underlying conflicts, but you'll note that amongst naturalised Britons that there's more anti migrant rhetoric in areas *without* migrants than in areas with migrants

that depends on your definition of "illegal immigration". the left defines it as being in the country without being allowed to be in the country. the right defines it as everyone who isnt "invited" - so asylum seekers are illegal migrants, in the eyes of the right. "real" illegal migrants" are not a "real issue", i agree. asylum seekers on the other hand are a real issue. the reason you dont understand that, is the tory government. germany took in 1 million syrians, the uk none. germany took in 1 million ukrainians, the uk none. germany took in 500 000 afghans, the uk none etc. ... the reason asylum seekers are not "really an issue" in the uk is, that the tories refused to take them in... but how many million asylum seekers do you reckon does it take to make it a "real issue" in the uk?

hm.. my last post got autodeleted.. so ill try again: it depends on your definition of "illegal immigration". the right defines it as everyone who isnt "invited" - so asylum seekers are illegal. the left doesnt define asylum seekers as illegal. "real" illegal immigration isnt an issue in the uk, i agree - but asylum seekers are. the reason you dont see that, is the tory government. germany took in 1 million syrians, the uk none. germany took in 1 million ukrainians, the uk none. germany took in 500 000 afghans the uk none etcetc. how many million asylum seekers do you reckon does it take to make it a "real issue" in the uk?

Im hopeful, and today he has appointed some people that will know something about their job

I'm with you on this answer.

I would tend to agree with you, up to the point he continues to use the phrase illegal immigration.

​@@paulbaker9879yeah for a lawyer he either used some very sloppy language or he meant it - I await to see which it is but neither is particularly useful given the way the voting actually went ...

But if you combine what he is saying, with Yvette Cooper's recent comments, you might be more sceptical. All she constantly went on about was the gangs this, the gangs that, deterrence here, deterrence there. Nothing about re-establishing safe and legal routes. This indicates to me that their policy, while not being as extreme and racist as the tories, it will be a milder form of the immoral approach of the tories

He was a lawyer and and he worked with banned group Hizbut Al Tahrir

😔 sigh lol​@@Panzerfaustchen

@@Panzerfaustchen Everyone is entitled to legal representation in court. Or do you disagree?

@@connclissmann6514 well there are plenty of bent Asian lawyers who could have advised them ? You know the ones who tell illegal immigrants what to say to qualify for asylum. Islamic criminals should help each other, Starmer should have used more discretion

@@Panzerfaustchen cab rank rules

I totally agree, the cruelty of the Tory party new no limits . Like everything in life there are ways of dealing with things that don’t stir up hate and persecution

@@michaelc3051 the safe routes already exist. The boat and truck people are not from those areas.

Refuge from where France ?

@@malcolm8564 Where do the safe routes exist already?

@@michaelc3051 Afghanistan, Ukraine, Hing Kong.

The Tories didn’t care about any of that.

Even Rwanda was not 100% on board with it. Yes the Tories wasted money, like it was going out of fashion.

Just like Brexit

It’s not money “wasted”. The Tories managed to get their kickbacks from all those contracts.

Thanks to the conservatives!!!

Well it certainly acted as a deterrent to making people want to vote Sunak into Downing Street given he just took on the post without anyone's say so

He knows that but will he do that, probably not.

​@@joelboy19you will never stop boats asylum seekers under international law have a right to come here they are not illegal immigrants only crossing illegally so make it legal for them to purchase tickets for the going rate of tens of pounds instead of them paying criminal gangs thousands for a crappy dangerous boat crossing

Build it in France you mean. Sure they accept a flat payment without trying to hitch the fee every other year...oh wait I'm sorry they're french.

They won’t do it anymore with the far right basically rendering parliament useless

They don't have an automatic right to come here.. they're looking for Asylum... It verges on whether they are accepted or not.

HAha

@@RayD67that’s an interesting, incisive comment, which makes it clear just how much thought and intelligence you put into your reply.

@@RayD67 What's funny about it? Scrapping the Rwanda nonsense IS what any competent government should be doing. Do you disagree? Do you think they should keep that nonsense, and carry on giving loads of tax payers money to the Rwandan government whilst pointlessly trying to break international law?

​@@RayD67hi Raplh, Hows Bart?

not only that but an attorney general who isn't an mp, a science minister who is a top scientist and the chair of the prison reform trust as prisons minister. Experts doing expert things.

14 years!

Correction 5 years! not 6 months.

Mail gammons!

as far as i know, the thing was already paid for. or part of it. what tax money are saved?

@@ragael1024 well future taxpayers’ money will be saved. There won’t be any more sunk into this disastrous mess.

@@ragael1024do you think it wouldn’t have cost even more for zero results it was 120 million and counting! And that didn’t include the cost time effort to process and send even one single person let alone the proposed thousands a year!

Sorry. We spent it all on the one refugee Sunak sent us. He had a good time here and is now back in Birmingham

More than £320m was spent on it by the Tory government.

Should be claimed back from the Tory party and in particular Braverman, Patel etc

It was Boris Johnsons bright idea so it had 'waste of time and money's written all over it.

@@joanormrod4893 Do we know which of Sunak's friends made money from the plan?

Because everyone really wants to stay in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan! How would you help them stay safely in hell holes we helped create?

Hurray for common sh!tting sense!!

Cruella can go pound sand🤣

Agreed

they are already frothing at the mouth.

Bacon fat all over Farage

I hope so.

Oh well.. Maybe they can afford a caravan in Clacton for a week, to get over it.

Gammon tears.😢

Open borders is a sensible policy? Interesting take.

@@drmodestoesqhow is this open borders they’ve scrapped a money wasting deal that was always doomed. Day 2 millions of pounds saved.

​@@drmodestoesqStarmer will not have open borders. Stop listening to the far right Farage and his rants.

Why should we give illegal immigrants a safe passage? Are you mad

Yes police investigation if huge financial economic discrepancies are found and the Tories do not provide a solid reason as to where the money has gone.

I think he doesn't want half the country die of a heart attack

I wonder what backhanders were taken from all that Rwanda money, bothe here and in Rwanda.

@@johnjephcote7636 Loads, no doubt. For a start, all the housing that Braverman paid for will all now be owned by grifters in Rwanda who have no doubt learnt from the Tories.

Agreed, he should drop breadcrumbs of such things over the next, say 10 years. The Troy's were still wafling on about that daft note left saying there was no money, 15 years later. Just drip snipits in a manner to continue to bring it to people's attention

£370M so far, according to Oxford University Migration Observatory, with a lot more once up and running. We needed that spent on housing here.

True and very well said- cheers!

Contribute like the London acid attacker and the Bournemouth beach stabber, nice 🤔

Le Pen, Wilders, the AFD, Meloni all look forward to the constructive conversations.

​@@bradsmith9689the comment refers to the UK devolved nations. The possible leadership of other countries will still need to be worked with in one form or a other. Thinking otherwise shows a lack if understanding on why there is such a thing as international diplomacy, international bodies such as the UN, NATO, EU, etc.

@@bradsmith9689 Le Pen isn't president, AFD aren't in government, Wilders Isn't premier, Schoof is. Importantly, Lammy is foreign sec, and he has actually built a network of relationships in the US, Europe and elsewhere.

Really depends on what you are working towards.

Indeed, treating the FMs as potential collaborators with a role to play. (allies in the case of Wales) is light years away from BloJo and his posturing during the pandemic. He declined to work together with the FMs as he thought that would make the UK resemble the EU. This prick misunderstood everything, but this misunderstanding may have cost lives. Still, "let the bodies pile high", (copyright B. Johnson)

I think they will also look into that Starmer has a good relationship with France so let's see

He's stop one gang of idiots at least

If only Boris did this during the Brexit start

May, Patel, and Braverman all turned it down. Leaving Europe was more important. I hope we can get a humane system, but I do not expect overnight changes.

Or just open a legal safe route into the UK for asylum seekers they are going to come we literally called our coalition of countries "Great" Britain put great at the beginning of something its going to get a lot of attention

not sure wether he said that or not, but they already spent the money.. on buildings to house the asylum seekers, for example. so they cant pay anything back, even if they wanted.

@ MONTY-YTNOM : And they could sent back an unspecified number of their unwanted asylum seekers, so no overall reduction in immigration to the Uk !

Definitely looking forward to paying for the 8 kids that the young lady down the road has had with 6 different lads, she earns more than me 😂

The numpties that "work" for GB 'News' are going spare over this. Good

We won't be doing that. We will just let them all in.

Passports, planes, Airports, not a safe way?

Because nobody would abuse that, right.

I guess you think it's easy to grab your passport, book an air ticket, pack your suitcase etc whilst you're fleeing from some horror?

@@threedoodlesFrance isn’t that bad. I live there. Neither is Spain or Italy or Greece or any of the EU countries I’ve been to.

oh... thats a great idea... but how do you give them a reason to stay in their own country? i dont disagree with you, but i see absolutely no chance to make that happen.

@@MrNukedawhales Yeah, unfortunately we're a long way off world peace.

Hi Mandy

All people who disagree with the lefties are racist, classic statement, never gets boring 😂😂

Yes! All of these issues need to be open for discussion - and especially with the active participation of those communities you mention. Their voices need to be heard and their cultures & religions explained to those whose ignorance is deliberately turned into fear by right wing politicians and media.

Completely ignored on here,many are criminals hiding their identity. Hide their faces when cameras on them.

You seem to have a very basic shallow understanding of refugee law and refugee realities since you automatically declare someone invalid for asylum simply based on their nationality; You don’t get to say a certain country is not at war (thus appears generally safe), therefore its citizens are ALL economic migrants. Processing claims is done on an individual case basis. People run away for all sorts of reasons outside warzones; For example: Fear out of racial discrimination, ethnic violence, gang violence, police targeting, political repression, anti-gay laws, transphobia and killing of transgender people, governments that punish Atheists even with the death penalty, Terrorism, membership of a party or social group, honour killings, Climate Crisis refugees, and yes a part of them are poor and moving for better jobs. But please stop this idea of thinking only Afghans or Syrians qualify for protection. A country can be a lovely summer vacation destination for Europeans but its local citizens can face very serious dangers under dictatorship making them unsafe. We always say “Asylum is for people experiencing war and persecution” ➡️ these two categories are widely different. Do your research

Well said.....can I add that we have over a million empty homes and at least 50 thousand council homes that have been empty for over a year.....No Tory ever mentioned that.

Which will also obviate the need to use hotels to house temporarily those claiming asylum. Under previous Labour govt. claims were processed in two weeks !

He actually already used those words many months ago.

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@@malcolmstockbridge2569 would have carried more weight if he used them again when he was Prime Minister or even in the recent election campaign. Blair would have done

@@SheilaBloom. and then people will jump all over him for repeating things....like my father was a toolmaker !

@@malcolmstockbridge2569 Fascists may have jumped all over him remember the new saying ' You can't out Farage Farage ' Also what have we become that we can no longer call something cruel & inhumane which is cruel & inhumane

How much????

At least that. I'm not sure if more wasn't added when Rwanda sold off the accommodation.

Just read it’s just over £300 million. No flights.

@@arronstone177 The Tories have left us a cost of living crisis and wasted all that money, just think what it would have done for the NHS.

@@susannahhunt100 Exactly. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Me too!

Now spell 'Keir' correctly and grin.

Kir Royal

Kir Royal

That because they think immigration is to blame for all those other problems.

We shouldn’t let policy or humanity be driven by the lowest levels of compassion or understanding.

Rubbish

The far right media will always lie to their base though If all migrants were “legal” Then talk about the backlog of processing If there is no backlog Then just talk about the numbers of migrants overall If migrants no longer came to the country Talk about the people already in the country There is no way of dealing with a fictional problem because it doesn’t exist it can’t go away

Why pander to nationalist bigots and the far right who are so very, very wrong?

No, he totally did not.

​@@annphillips1086I know he didn't but it really sounded like it

@@mats66 It really didn't.

😂😂😂

Lol man that was lame.

I think that was Cruella’s claim

They are told it by the likes of Farage.,

Hell, I've heard people call it an invasion

Comments by people who live nowhere near the South coast 😂

Scare-Mongering language used by Trump, Farage and other right wing.