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There are many Starships in the Federation, not all of them are Starfleet, but all have a registry number attached. But what exactly does the NCC mean in NCC-1701 ? What about the USS for that matter?
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@atomic_wait
@atomic_wait Год назад
The X prefix is used in a lot of American experimental aircraft and naval vessels, standing as a phonetic reference to Experimental. I'm guessing NX is a reference to that.
@chrisjohnson1146
@chrisjohnson1146 Год назад
My thoughts exactly. Starfleet drew a lot from modern Earth military, so it would make sense that they would also use some variant of an X registry to identify an Experimental. Hell we even see something like this in Stargate with the X-301 hybrid fighter, the X-302 (later F-302) and the X-303 Prometheus class (later replaced with the BC-304 Daedelus class)
@vic5015
@vic5015 Год назад
@@chrisjohnson1146 yeah. For example,, their class maming system basically follows US Navy and Royal Navy conventions.
@mikes-qk1sh
@mikes-qk1sh Год назад
Yes the. X prefix is used for experimental aircraft that are more like technology demonstrators and never intended for production. A more meaningful designation would be Y which is used for a design intended for production ie YF-16 or YF-22 designating pre production versions of the F-16 and F-22
@sugarfrosted2005
@sugarfrosted2005 Год назад
And for many early experimental radio stations.
@sgt_s4und3r54
@sgt_s4und3r54 Год назад
XP-72 can be seen at the USAF museum in Dayton. You hit the nail on the head as the Zumwalt class has an DD(X) classification.
@robertf3479
@robertf3479 Год назад
As I recall, the Prefix "NCC" first was published in the book "The Making of Star Trek" (1968) where the author explains "NCC" as meaning "Naval Construction Contract" with the prefix and registry number (NCC-1700) becoming the permanent hull identification number. I take this as canon.
@troyblackburn4522
@troyblackburn4522 Год назад
I also read that book and remember the same reference. It’s also documented in the 1973 Star Trek (Enterprise) Blueprints as approved by Gene Roddenberry and copyrighted by Paramount. Sounds like Canon to me.
@nathanaelculver5308
@nathanaelculver5308 Год назад
I’ve just had a quick perusal through my copy of Making of… and cannot find a reference to "naval construction contract". Nearest I can come is this from p171 which suggests it. "The unit components [of the Enterprise] were built at the Star Fleet Division of what is still called the San Francisco Navy Yards." The earliest occurrence I’m aware of of "naval construction contract" is sheet 1 of Franz Joseph’s blueprints in 1973.
@overtaxedcitizen4975
@overtaxedcitizen4975 Год назад
@@troyblackburn4522 I came here to say this very thing; beat me to it. It is written on the blueprints (which I have owned since they were first available) so I would say that is much much more than “Fan Lore” as this video stated.
@tedrickles6073
@tedrickles6073 Год назад
Thanks for a phenomenally well made and documented video on ship’s registries.This RU-vid video was created with style and reverence and as an informational video it’s worth rewatching over and over! A real role federation would be wise to use this as an instructional video welcoming all new first year academy cadets, assuming they hadn’t already seen it. My only itty-bitty complaint (and it is small) is that I’m a fan of seeing starships in space dock - either in Spacedock above Earth, or at the Utopia Planitia yards of Mars. So, Seeing so comprehensive a video as you’ve made, it only made me feel like visuals of some of the ships you showed would have been even grander if seen in spacedock. By the way, I’ll be a fan forever if you can do a RU-vid video on the structures of spacedock, their history, relative times ships need to spend in spacedock for repairs and the history of when the various spacedocks were established. But, as far as I’m concerned- You’ve already established yourself as “The Man!” With this video- Thanks from the bottom of my Trek heart!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@DrewLSsix
@DrewLSsix Год назад
@Troy Blackburn it's not, the shows and films freely contradict that source.
@JB-ym4up
@JB-ym4up Год назад
NCC stands for No Continuity Checks.
@Firefox13A
@Firefox13A Год назад
😂
@ajjtazman
@ajjtazman Год назад
I accept this canon
@Ottophil
@Ottophil Год назад
That would be funny if they werent making it better
@clone1eighty7
@clone1eighty7 Год назад
Damn got em
@endorbr
@endorbr Год назад
It definitely does in NuTrek.
@lorenzo1701
@lorenzo1701 Год назад
Also, in TOS, the shuttlecraft had the main star ship's registry, plus a "slash" (ie, the Galileo's registry: NCC-1701/7)
@andrewmalinowski6673
@andrewmalinowski6673 Год назад
At least in TNG there was evidence of a similar process with at least two smaller shuttlecraft being seen (in background, mostly) bearing the Enterprise-D's registry and later a number following the slash as if marking the shuttle's "number" within the on-ship inventory
@chrismc410
@chrismc410 Год назад
@@andrewmalinowski6673 runabouts were considered small starships in their own right and given USS names and NCC numbers like any other starship.
@Steve-Quinn-YC-GaSC
@Steve-Quinn-YC-GaSC Год назад
Dash - a slash is either / or a \
@davidarimond5762
@davidarimond5762 Год назад
NX = Naval eXperiment NCC = Naval Construction Contract # assigned based on contract number. Class Numbering is just based on the Starfleet planning boards bookmarked number group. -Letter is an honorific for which an older name that was reused but needing a new registry number for record keeping.
@DocWolph
@DocWolph Год назад
And as for the most recent episode of "Lower Decks", "NA".
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 Год назад
NCC - Naval Construction Code/Contract (very likely) NAR - Naval Auxiliary Reserve? Or Research? NSP - Naval Special Purpose? NCV - timeship, by 29th century or earlier NFT - freighter, transport - maybe civilian NDT - similar, also likely civilian. Ditto apparently NFT and NBT
@morganb6717
@morganb6717 Год назад
NA - Naval Autonomous
@weldonwin
@weldonwin Год назад
NCIA - Naval Covert Intelligence Asset
@MrGchiasson
@MrGchiasson Год назад
I bought a paperback boon in the early 70's that gave lots of good details about Star Trek. That was one of the first things listed. ( I added the book to my small trekking book collection).
@SchneeflockeMonsoon
@SchneeflockeMonsoon Год назад
I’ve considered taking up the task of rewriting all of Trek as a fan project, and one of the first things I have on the list of ways to smooth out the canon is codifying how the registries work.
@Ottophil
@Ottophil Год назад
This is dumb
@RichO1701e
@RichO1701e Год назад
You need a girl mate.
@SchneeflockeMonsoon
@SchneeflockeMonsoon Год назад
@@RichO1701e No duh. But I have plenty of brainpower to spare.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
@@RichO1701e one with similar interests so they can work on it together !
@TheDJOblivion
@TheDJOblivion Год назад
@@SchneeflockeMonsoon don't listen to him, they're nothing but an expensive distraction, plus if you had the right girl she'd be just as excited to rewrite Trek with you as you are.
@okashi6
@okashi6 Год назад
I once asked my dad and grandma what NCC stood for back in the early 90s. It took a few weeks but my grandma found the answer. Looking back now, she did all of this without the internet and had to read through so many books to find the answer.
@peterl.104
@peterl.104 Год назад
What is the answer she found?
@okashi6
@okashi6 Год назад
@@peterl.104 honestly, I don’t remember. It has been almost 30 years since that moment
@LaserParody
@LaserParody Год назад
@@okashi6 Whatever the answer, it sounds like the moment itself was the real game changer. Wonderful memory to have. TY for sharing.
@troyblackburn4522
@troyblackburn4522 Год назад
I would say that given the term “Naval Construction Contract” appears in the Star Trek Blueprints of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 which were adapted by Gene Roddenberry and bear his name and were copyrighted by Paramount in 1973, that this constitutes more than just a popular fandom term. In fact, it constitutes Star Trek Canon. I have an original copy of the blueprints and can provide a picture or scan if you’d like.
@nathanaelculver5308
@nathanaelculver5308 Год назад
"Naval Construction Contract"appears on the first sheet of my mid-7Os set of the blueprints But while it makes it something more than just "fan lore" I personally think its a little strong to call it canon. Scans of the blueprints are available pretty much all over the internet these days. Probably the best set is over at Cygnus-X1.
@SnazBrigade
@SnazBrigade Год назад
I assumed NX was a nod or just borrowed from the USAF's tendency to label experimental craft with an X designation. They're even colloquially known as "X-Planes". For example, the Bell X1 and X2 were prototypes for supersonic flight, the X12 for Hypersonic, the X18 for tiltwings, the X35 became the F35 etc etc.
@TheCokoll
@TheCokoll Год назад
You are both right and wrong) in USAF X like in X-1, X-5 ment completely experimental craft, whereas f-35 was not started as X-35, but rather as XF-35, as it was not an experimental craft, but a preproduction prototype. Same with XB-70, etc.
@xyreniaofcthrayn1195
@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 Год назад
​@@TheCokoll uh not to mention that preproduction prototypes must choose a pattern for construction that pass experimental testing for all components. Can't have rather outdated technology prone to failure or there is no more way to get the component anymore.
@CLSiler2
@CLSiler2 Год назад
@@TheCokoll You are incorrect. The prototype of the F-35 was indeed X-35, just like its competitor for the JSF contract was the X-32. This is different than the contract that resulted in the F-22 as the prototypes that competed were the YF-22 and YF-23 designations respectively. If the DoD had followed the recommendation from the office that allocates the MDS Designations for aerospace vehicles, then the X-35 would have become the F-24. Unfortunately, there was a press conference about the X-35 winning the contract, and when the general in charge of the announcement was asked by a reporter what the Fighter's production name would be, he simply said "F-35" without checking what the official DoD recommendation was. As an additional wrinkle, the official Biography of of Col. Joseph A. Lanni claims that he flew several classified prototypes, including a "YF-24". If true, than a reason for the DoD to stick with the F-35 designation would dodge not only embarrassing a flag officer, but would also avoid confusion for personnel with clearance to know about the alleged YF-24, and potentially awkward conversations if the designation ended up being F-25 instead.
@StarFleet_Tech1701
@StarFleet_Tech1701 Год назад
Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek's creator) was in the Air Force and Navy so he borrowed a lot of terminology from them.
@TheCokoll
@TheCokoll Год назад
@@CLSiler2 will search about x-35. Doesnt seem to be to plausible, as there was always a distinct pattern when a plane starts as XF (XB, XA, etc depending if its a foghter bomber, etc) as a first couple of prototypes, than changes to YF when it reaches a small preproduction series run, and lastly cuts to just F when finally enters full service
@QalOrt
@QalOrt Год назад
My thoughts was always: NCC is Naval Commissioned Craft, NX is Naval Experimental, NAR is Naval Auxiliary Reserve
@FLAME4564
@FLAME4564 Год назад
thats most likely the more fitting name for the NCC prefix since its a more dignified and insipring term not to mention it was nispired by how the irl navy operates with their ships after theyre constructed they too are commisioned into service too so its only fitting that Gene Rodenberry himself would have demmed the NCC prefix to be named the Naval Commission Craft prefix as a fitting name for all federation ships while the NX prefix would be named Naval Experemintal prefix to all those ships undergoing a shakedown cruise and testing of all new systems and being pathfinders for all new techs like how the TOS Enterpise was for the TMP refit and all other ships in the TMP era.
@donovanulrich348
@donovanulrich348 Год назад
Except Navel implies sea Nationally or Neutrally works just aswell Since star fleet became a research and exploration based program, with the unified help of humanity and then other worlds
@QalOrt
@QalOrt Год назад
@@donovanulrich348 I can concede that the N in NAR could be National, like National Academic Research or National Astrometric Research
@pmsteamrailroading
@pmsteamrailroading Год назад
The NCC being defined as Naval Construction Contract goes back to the original Enterprise blueprints, and star fleet technical manual. Both of these where published (professionally) before most of the viewers of this video where born.
@talideon
@talideon Год назад
I prefer to think of 'NA' as meaning 'naval ancillary' or 'naval autonomous', but 'naval automated' also makes sense. I think the 'X' in 'NX' is a nod to the use of 'X' in the naming of many US prototype and experimental craft.
@img00
@img00 Год назад
I was thinking more Naval Automaton myself but who knows 😊
@Chipmunk_of_Vengeance
@Chipmunk_of_Vengeance Год назад
X is quite often used for Experimental, like the XF-12 (which would become the A-12 and SR-71). So it makes sense fo the X in NX to mean Experimental.
@kdrapertrucker
@kdrapertrucker Год назад
No, the XF-12 did not become the A-12, the A-12 came first and was very Top Secret. And as not even an Air Force aircraft, being a Cia asset. The SR-71 was a twin seat version of the A-12 oxcart which as later used. The xF-12 as a prototype of an iterceptor version of the SR-71 which was experimental in that they had to make aerodynamic chang's to the airframe and test to ensure the weapons bays could successfully deploy missile at Mach or faster.
@StarFleet_Tech1701
@StarFleet_Tech1701 Год назад
Beginning in 1973, I had always known this: USS - United StarShip, NCC - Naval Construction Contract
@RafaleC77th
@RafaleC77th Год назад
I was always under the impression it was Naval Construction Code - but the Contract take on it makes more sense seeing how its a Civilian agency.
@EinherjarLucian
@EinherjarLucian Год назад
"Naval Construction Contract" for NCC was featured in the FASA Star Trek RPG's "Starship Construction Manual."
@stevengalloway8052
@stevengalloway8052 Год назад
Thank you for this underrated subject of Starfleet ship number destinations... 👏👍
@Vipre-
@Vipre- Год назад
I believe Navigational Contact, or Communication, Code was floated somewhere as a possibility. It'd fit as well since encountered ships were often identified by registry first then name based on the registry in various episodes and films.
@mamayl8592
@mamayl8592 Год назад
I like the code myself as it implies the number following identifies it within a listing or group.
@Vipre-
@Vipre- Год назад
It'd also explain the A, B, C practice when a number was reused for a ship as the earlier ship might still be around in a museum fleet using its code for identification.
@harrisonrothacher2250
@harrisonrothacher2250 Год назад
I actually compiled all of the registries, classes, and ships into an excel spreadsheet to look at the correlation between the time period they were active in and their registry number. It was relatively coherent, albeit with a few major outliers, like the Solvang in lower decks (with a much lower registry than it should have had) and the Pegasus from TNG (which had one much higher than it should have given when it was active)
@mr.flibble3190
@mr.flibble3190 Год назад
I wonder whether discontinuous registry numbers might come from a counterintelligence strategy. Randomly selected numbers or blocks of numbers could be reserved for random "early" or "late" out-of-sequence assignment to make it more difficult for Threat force intelligence to determine how many ships of any given class have been commissioned.
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 Год назад
If the Pegasus was launched 2347 or later, it makes a fair bit of sense, I suppose. The Prometheus must have been delayed a fairly long time, though, before it's October 2373 launch. And the USS Phoenix NCC-65420, launching around March 2363, may be a bit on the low side? Meanwhile, I continue to compile a massive list, from a variety of sources, both official, semi official, and some fan.
@harrisonrothacher2250
@harrisonrothacher2250 Год назад
@@chrissonofpear1384 the phoenix, if you stretch the timeline of the arils and Norway classes, fits fine, albeit a little wonky. What doesn’t fit is the Melbourne, which as around in the 2280s having a registry of 62043. Glad I’m not the only one interested in anomalous ship registries.
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 Год назад
@@harrisonrothacher2250 That is how I treat it, yes. Lots of gaps left in 52100, 61900, 63200-500 and 64900, and so on. So there'd be a lot of spaces left over, for later. I did not hear of the Melbourne being around in the 2280s, however. If that is the Excelsior-class version (rather than the proto-Nebula one) then it may be another case of re-numbering. But then both ships might be around at once. And the USS Franklin likely got a new registry post 2160, too. I tend to average numbers of ships a year as between 350 to 660, but can be higher, at times. During the 2320s for a while, it seemed to shoot up hugely - maybe lots of scout ships and transports were suddenly added? Or early runabouts.
@harrisonrothacher2250
@harrisonrothacher2250 Год назад
@@mr.flibble3190 I had a theory similar to this, since in the TMP films there was a series of registries in the 80000s, most of which had nonsense names and duplicate registry numbers, so I thought it might be some secret starfleet code that they could use to communicate privately. It could be a decent explaination for any out of place ship number we see on a datapad or not as an official ship, at the very least.
@solomonkane102
@solomonkane102 Год назад
It comes from a photo of a biplane in the air from above from around 1920. Large letters on the wing say NCC, standing for navy Curtiss class.
@MrMyu
@MrMyu Год назад
The novel "Best Destiny" is where I first saw NCC as Naval Construction Contract. The Excelsior-class USS Bill of Rights was listed as NEE-2010 for Navel Exploration Extension. So definitely beta canon, but not exactly an assumption that crept into accepted knowledge
@AndreiTupolev
@AndreiTupolev Год назад
According to wiki, which does quote Matt Jeffries, the fellow who designed it, 'NC' came from the prewar US civil aircraft registration code, and 'C' was added because it could be an S in Cyrillic 🤔, and '1701' because it was the first of Starfleet's 17th class of ship.
@RA-hi5ln
@RA-hi5ln Год назад
N is the prefix for aircraft registration in the US. I believe Gene Roddenberry's plane's registration started with NC so they just added the extra c on. X is a refrence to the X-planes.
@numberyellow
@numberyellow Год назад
Yeah i've read that too.. This is one of the infrequent instances where i'm disappointed with the research on one of these videos.
@TheOneTrueDragonKing
@TheOneTrueDragonKing Год назад
This was the explanation in the Star Trek Encyclopedia circa 2001, so...
@No1sonuk
@No1sonuk Год назад
Yeah. IIRC, the extra C was because they decided that's how far they'd get with changing/adding letters in 300 years.
@lordomacron3719
@lordomacron3719 Год назад
I think a little historical note on naming tradions are the Royal Navy Letter Classes. With every ship of the class given a name starting with the same letter. I do find it interesting the different conventions that naming and registries that were used over history.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
Of course they’re kind of abandoning that now, with the City-class simply being named after cities (and the first ship of the line is the HMS Glasgow, not the HMS City!)
@janwitkowsky8787
@janwitkowsky8787 Год назад
@@kaitlyn__L Heresy!
@paulfelix5849
@paulfelix5849 Год назад
The X is used for Experimental because E is already used for other purposes. Most specifically, US aircraft can bear letters that show they have been modified from their original design for a specific task such as G for gunship or R for a reconnaissance. E is mostly for training.
@waltermc3906
@waltermc3906 Год назад
back in the day CC was used to designate a Naval Cruiser. I had always assumed that NCC was meant ti be analogous of that
@jamesmarciel5237
@jamesmarciel5237 Год назад
In the U.S. designations, CC actually is the designation for a battle cruiser.
@waltermc3906
@waltermc3906 Год назад
@@jamesmarciel5237 which is exactly what the klingons designated the Enterprise in Star Trek 3
@audeamus1180
@audeamus1180 Год назад
I remember reading somewhere in the 80's or 90's NCC was for "Naval Calling Code", therefore the Enterprise's pennant number is 1701. Like the battleship USS Missouri is "63".
@dynamojoeful
@dynamojoeful Год назад
I remember reading that NCC was just chosen by Roddenberry because he liked the sound of it, so the acronym has always been open to interpretation, the interpretation that I like best is ‘Navigational Constellation Code’, with this idea that Starfleet HQ tracks the position of all ships relative to each other and the deployment of ships is like a galaxy-wide fluid that changes organically reacting to events and opportunities.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire Год назад
That is a pretty cool explanation. Almost too elegant....but doesn't cover NX classifiations....
@anthonylowder6687
@anthonylowder6687 Год назад
@@3Rayfire And it doesn’t make any sense at all!!
@edbangor9163
@edbangor9163 Год назад
Roddenberry-based Starfleet on the US Navy. LCC is amphibious command ship. There are no surface craft with an N in their class designation. The logical conclusion is that N has something to do with orbit or space, and the CC still means command ship. Since Roddenberry pulled the lettering out of thin air but was still basing them on the US Navy, we have to use US Navy rules for hull numbers.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire Год назад
@@edbangor9163 Actually he was (Army) Air Force and the NC comes from a civilian aircraft registration. However the registration idea came from Matt Jefferies who was also Air Force. Both worked on bombers.
@edbangor9163
@edbangor9163 Год назад
@@3Rayfire Roddenberry was Army Air Corp, true. But Starfleet itself is modeled on the US Navy. The USS makes the subject beyond any doubt.
@abrahamvieyra5730
@abrahamvieyra5730 Год назад
Highly interesting topic. The Starship NAVIGATIONAL CRAFT CARRIER was something I heard back during production of DS9 references.
@kabobawsome
@kabobawsome Год назад
I mean, in the real world, it's not beyond even very serious navies to use odd letters that sound or look cooler to make acronyms or designations sound better. Also in the real world, the "X" is *specifically* very commonly used for Experimental.
@Condor1970
@Condor1970 Год назад
I read once back in the 70's, that NCC originally stood for the name of the Shipyard Company that made the primary series of starships. Shuttles and other ships have different designations. "Naval Construction Contractors".
@fluffskunk
@fluffskunk Год назад
I always had it in my head as "Naval Construction Corps" as though that was a Starfleet organization signing off on its safety and integrity, and registering it as an active Starfleet vessel. NX would follow as "Navy eXperiment" meaning it wasn't certified and you were onboard at your own risk. Basically a certification that an engineering team independent from both the shipyard that built her, and the crew who'd be operating her, had signed off on all her critical systems during a shakedown.
@EmpyreanFrost
@EmpyreanFrost Год назад
"Much like NFT's" :D a man of culture.
@looneyburgmusic
@looneyburgmusic Год назад
After the release of ST:TMP, there was a collectors book released of Trek Starship blueprints, and that book had "NCC" meaning Naval Construction Contract.
@raymondoverbee2300
@raymondoverbee2300 Год назад
Also in that book listed all ships classes names and call letters at that time I had the book and in ST:TNG All Good Things the future enterprise with a 3rd nucell would be classified as a Dreadnought class
@Sparky1701
@Sparky1701 Год назад
I have to dig up my blueprints of 1701 from 1973 - I think they stated eight on there that it is Naval Construction Contract. And I think those were 'made canon' by Roddenberry
@davidalangay1186
@davidalangay1186 Год назад
Entertaining and informative. Thanks for producing this video.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 Год назад
Considering it's not as complex as Japanese aircraft designation codes it's better than nothing.
@gerrymichaud3851
@gerrymichaud3851 Год назад
As per one of my Star Trek TOS novels, NCC 1701 Enterprise. Naval Construction Contract 1701. When the Enterprise was on the drawing board it was NCC 1700. But by the time construction started the design had changed so much, with new technology like the Daystrom duotronic computer, they decided to create a new contract, hence the NCC-1701. I believe it was the novel, Final Frontier.
@Torgo1001
@Torgo1001 10 месяцев назад
I always thought NCC-1700 was USS Constitution's Naval Construction Contract number, since Enterprise was a Constitution-class vessel.
@JubeiKibagamiFez
@JubeiKibagamiFez Год назад
I love your videos. I'm such a nerd for this stuff.
@NCC-72545A
@NCC-72545A Год назад
I always considered the U.S.S. stood for United Star Ship
@generichardson4771
@generichardson4771 Год назад
gene rodenberry in an interview when asked about the ncc he said when he looked at aircraft they would usually have nc as part of the tail number so he said hmmm lets just add an extra c for the starships and boom there you have it
@LiamDennehy
@LiamDennehy Год назад
NX has a heritage for experimental craft - e.g. the X-35 demonstrator and development craft became the F-35 Lightning II. The Bell X-22 was used to research fan/rotor VTOL, and is why the Osprey is designated the V-22.
@mikejankowski3088
@mikejankowski3088 Год назад
Interesting note on the NA ships.... I wonder if the AI tech in the Texas Class will also play into the eventual Synth attack on Mars in 2385 - at least as another reason to "ban" AI tech
@richardjohnson9543
@richardjohnson9543 Год назад
I recall reading that starship registry numbers are based on the markings you see on airplanes, some of which begin with NC and NX for experimental models. It's said that Jeffries just added an extra C because it looked better and more advanced. Airplanes are also the basis for starship running lights
@QziQza
@QziQza Год назад
running lanterns, flags, and pennons, are a maritime convention dating back to the earliest naval vessels.
@JoeySchmidt74
@JoeySchmidt74 Год назад
@@QziQza pretty sure he's on about the colouring used in Trek.
@ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming
@ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming Год назад
I don’t think the 1700 block of numbers was exclusively used by the Constitution class. Remember the Constellation from the Doomsday Machine episode? Its registry number was 1017. Of course, the reason for that is because they used a model kit of the Enterprise and changed the numbers around. In-universe, it could be that sometimes registry numbers are random or chosen. The Phoenix from the TNG episode The Wounded had a registry number of 65420. Who knows for sure.
@mammutMK2
@mammutMK2 Год назад
Maybe they just reserved a block. New great ship class, want to start by xx00 , federation ist just growing, so they chose the 17 (maybe even just like glock chose the 17, not because it's the 17th gon, it's because they have 17 patents on it) because it was the 17th design? So they plan the construction of 15 ships and reserve the number 1700 to 1714....some time later they plan on building 5 more and they end with leftover nubers
@chbu7081
@chbu7081 Год назад
Maybe the designers and builders of that ship gave them numbers that had personal meaning to them.
@mem1701movies
@mem1701movies Год назад
@@mammutMK2 you’re right as the designer Matt Jefferies chose those numbers because they couldn’t be confused like 3689. AND he said it was the 17th design 01 first bird. Don’t know why they didn’t make the CONSTELLATION 1710.
@digitalis2977
@digitalis2977 Год назад
More likely that the Constellation was a rebuild with a registry number carried forward: Constellation is a shop name as old as ships themselves, so it would be natural that United Earth/Early Starfleet would use the name in short order, and no "-X" designations appear ANYWHERE in TOS until Roddenberry decided to blow up the Enterprise in Star Trek III and apply it to a new vessel as the 1701-A at the end of Star Trek IV...indicating when a ship was destroyed or decommissioned prior to that event, the name and registry were likely just recycled without the alpha-numeric suffix.
@21stcenturyguy25
@21stcenturyguy25 Год назад
These excerpts are from a thread on the Star Trek Memory Alpha forum that I read recently According to both "The Making of Star Trek", and the second season writers guide update, NCC officially stands for "Navy-Curtis Craft", referring to the fact that the design and construction of the cruisers was a combination of the Navy's and Curtis Industries inputs. Curtis Industries is (will be) an industrial ship-builder located in San Francisco that has fulfilled many Starfleet-bid projects. The Navy was responsible for transporting the components into low Earth orbit, and assembling the ship in space. In plate #3 of the Original Franz Joseph Designs Star Trek Blueprints, NCC-1700 is clearly labeled as the "Naval Construction Contract Number" for the USS Constitution. For those of you curious as to the origin of "Naval Construction Code", Mada101 is correct. It comes from a Diane Carey novel entitled Star Trek: Best Destiny. At the beginning of several different chapters, the novel sets the scene location by utilizing the ship's name followed by the words "Naval Construction Contract 1701-A" or "Naval Experimental 2001" The Star Trek Enterprise registration number, NCC-1701, was inspired by Matt Jeffries' own 1935 Waco YOC airplane, which was registered as NC-17740. His plane is now housed in a museum in Richmond, Virginia.
@captnrobvious47
@captnrobvious47 Год назад
I remember an interview with Matt Jefferies talking about this. I belive he said the suffix "letter" at the end of a number indicates a refit, not so much a famous ship. I know this differs from what we see on screen but I just like this logic better.
@mem1701movies
@mem1701movies Год назад
Yeah. The way he drew it that on TMP it should be 1701-A
@korvatusklok4059
@korvatusklok4059 Год назад
Thanks for this video. I'm actually designing my own defiant style ship and was just trying to figure out it's registry number
@mmasque2052
@mmasque2052 Год назад
I always thought Klingon ships got designated by the Federation as “IKV so-and-so” for Imperial Klingon Vessel. And IRV for Imperial Romulan Vessel. Who the Klingons and Romulans handled their ships’ designation was never discussed.
@shindoushuichi0287
@shindoushuichi0287 Год назад
A couple of interesting real world registration facts, in the USAF the tail numbers usually come from a combination of the last two digits of the year and the build number of the craft. Like for the A-10C, tail numbers would be 79-195. Built in 1979 and was the 195th plane of that year to be built.
@shindoushuichi0287
@shindoushuichi0287 Год назад
Also the X for experiment is also a real world thing for the USAF. The X-23 was an experimental high altitude hyper sonic test bed until it was replaced by further development platforms.
@AndreiTupolev
@AndreiTupolev Год назад
That was the fiscal year they were ordered. For some with long lead times like the B-2, the tail number could have a date years before it was actually built
@LaserParody
@LaserParody Год назад
that'd be rough when 3 different airframes get their 150th plane all built the same year. Trainwreck waiting to happen.
@shindoushuichi0287
@shindoushuichi0287 Год назад
@@LaserParody well true but then if that would be the case I would imagine they would identify by airframe and then tail number.
@stevenserna910
@stevenserna910 11 месяцев назад
US Civilian aircraft registration numbers frequently started with N meaning "National". The numerals also designated a fleet numeral designation by the factory that also had to do with the year of manufacture. Like vehicle VIN numbers, there are so many now, they've probably had to re-designate several times over the course of time.
@crystalheart9
@crystalheart9 Год назад
So many things I didn't know about the Enterprise.
@ODST_Parker
@ODST_Parker Год назад
Let's not forget extremely weird circumstances like the Defiant, initially being a Constitution class NCC-1764, then the Defiant class prototype NX-74205, and then finally the renamed USS Sao Paulo NCC-75633. In the wise words of Scotty, no bloody A or B. Three ships sharing the same name, but none designated as such under the same system. The identification and registry systems is one of those things I wish the writers had paid more attention to over the years, because if it was 100% consistent to this day, it'd be a really cool way of knowing exactly what ship you're looking at, where it comes from, how old it is, etc. Then again, our own modern militaries have never been 100% consistent, so I guess there's realistic precedent for the mix-ups.
@LENZ5369
@LENZ5369 Год назад
I think 'United [Federation of Planets] Star Ship' for USS makes more sense than United Space Ship. 'Federation Starship' was said alot.
@jamesmarciel5237
@jamesmarciel5237 Год назад
I believe United Federation of Planets, Space Ship” is what is actually said in TOS as opposed to what others are claiming as being “canonical”, “United Space Ship”
@mabs9503
@mabs9503 Год назад
I've often wished we'd have seen other examples of the letter suffixes for a "successor" type ship. The USS Eagle NCC-956 would have been perfect with an A or B suffix.
@jaymartin8273
@jaymartin8273 Год назад
Same here! There have to be other ships with just as long and great histories as the Enterprise :=)
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
Me too. For instance why is the new Stargazer 82893 instead of 2893-A? They even kept the 2893. Similarly it would’ve been very cool for the Defiant to get an -A. Yet we see it for Discovery which isn’t even a replacement, just a refit (albeit that’s for culpable deniability purposes surrounding time travel). Seemingly they’ve done it a lot more in the future though, with Voyager-J, and the Relativity-G.
@kenefdz
@kenefdz Год назад
I believe in the novel The Final Frontier , NCC stood for Naval Construction Contract (or Code).
@rcslyman8929
@rcslyman8929 Год назад
Yeah, I know we didn't just pull it out on a whim. It was written somewhere that got circulation and reached a wide enough distribution to gain "obscure reference" notoriety. Probably not the novel itself (I don't remember it explicitly, but I do know I read it way back when), but I can't immediately point to anything else out of memory. I mean, like he said, no canon source, but... we, the general fandom, didn't just make it up. The term came from some document somewhere.
@marvelboy74
@marvelboy74 Год назад
I like when the naming convention of the ships matches the class, such as the Danube class Runabouts or California class. By that thinking, we should see very few A-B-C's floating around.
@excelents
@excelents Год назад
Before they received their respective names the Titanic's Hull Number was 401 and her sister ship the Olympic was 400.
@NCMA29
@NCMA29 Год назад
Interesting! But of course the hull numbers assigned by a shipyard don't translate into pennant numbers after the vessel become operational...
@SPDSTEVE
@SPDSTEVE Год назад
NCC officially stands for "Navy-Curtis Craft", referring to the fact that the design and construction of the cruisers was a combination of the Navy's and Curtis Industries inputs.
@NorthForkFisherman
@NorthForkFisherman Год назад
Naval Contract Code. At least as how well I remember the canon books and blueprints from the 70's. Damn. I wish I still had them.
@robertfousch2703
@robertfousch2703 Год назад
Well us older fans have always known it's Naval Construction Contract. All the early books and stuff from the 1970's stated that was what the markings meant.
@lazrus01
@lazrus01 Год назад
I always thought "NCC" was "naval crewed class", which seemed to work when "NA" seemed to be "naval automated".
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
Quick, we have to scan TAS for any hull registries on the automated freighters! (Or I suppose the automated asteroid mining ships from SNW, they could’ve actually feasibly coordinates that detail if they cared enough.)
@NeoTechni
@NeoTechni Год назад
I am wheezing at your NFT jokes. Excellent😅
@andrewmalinowski6673
@andrewmalinowski6673 Год назад
What I think should be noted was that both Jeffries and Roddenberry had aviation backgrounds and (at least according to a display at the Evergreen Aviation Museum) the "NCC" was chosen as it was a callback to aviation registries of "non-commercial craft" and at least in-universe the Constitution-class itself was supposed to possess a "17" as a signifier of their class with last two digits being the vessel's own identifier within the class. Aside from the inconsistent numbering and strange designators it's also strange how in "Enterprise" the only NX known was a pre-Federation "experimental" class which in the novels was reclassified with NCC upon formation of the Federation
@royshashibrock3990
@royshashibrock3990 Год назад
A friend, who served on the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN- 65 if I remember correctly) told me the designation stood for "Carrier, Victor class, Nuclear powered." The number simply referred to the design production number (not all made it to actual production). Thinking along those same lines, it would seem to me that NCC-1701 stood for "Nuclear, Constitution Class, [class design production number]. Yes friends, anti-matter drives are a form of nuclear propulsion. Never the less, I leave such worries to those who are expert in Star Trek Canon.
@Steve-Quinn-YC-GaSC
@Steve-Quinn-YC-GaSC Год назад
I once worked in a pet food wholesellers and the boss had one van he labelled up as 'van 06' and I asked him why and he replied "because people will think I have more vans than I do" genius
@Davegvg3576
@Davegvg3576 Год назад
According to the guys at the Howard Anderson Visual effects company NCC was an amalgam between the early us Navy NC flying boats and the soviet CCCP - they figured a starship would be built in a time where all the major countries on earth would have to come together to supply component tech and labor.
@EDSKaR
@EDSKaR Год назад
There might be a mirror to real world historians here. For IKS "Imperial Klingon Ship" might be similar to the use of the term IJS "Imperial Japanese Ship", which was never used by the Japanese, but is used by modern historians so that every ship gets a nice 3 letter tag. Similarly KMS for "Kriegsmarine Schiff" (ship) for German ships of the same era was not used during the time, only by historians.
@Marconius6
@Marconius6 Год назад
Section 31 is so secretive they have their own ship registry... and special badges.
@elcowabungahe-man6156
@elcowabungahe-man6156 Год назад
Great video of Trek info love the shot's of the Nebula Class my favorite class of starship
@Wildcard120
@Wildcard120 Год назад
Thanks for the information.
@TheOneTrueDragonKing
@TheOneTrueDragonKing Год назад
A quick registry fix here: If you count STO as canon the now-removed 23rd Century episode "Night of the Comet" has the USS Reuben James as NCC-1707.
@bluelionsage99
@bluelionsage99 Год назад
Pretty cure the Enterprise blue prints I had back in 1978 / 79 or so indicted that NCC was indeed naval construction contract.
@Firefox13A
@Firefox13A Год назад
Eagle had to be a starship of another class that was converted into a Constitution refit. Most Starfleet construction became modular in the TMP+ era. I heard NCC was “Naval Construction Contract” as well and ran with it.
@kellysavage7073
@kellysavage7073 Год назад
that is what i heard it was as well Firefox13A
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
Jeffries envisaged it being modular from day 1 - he sketched the nacelles popping-off and being replaced with square ones in the 60s. Agree we didn’t see many signs of it until TMP though.
@tolazytothinkofanamd2351
@tolazytothinkofanamd2351 Год назад
Never been this early. Great video as always
@Chieffino
@Chieffino Год назад
Using X is a common standard in modern experimental craft to represent the craft is under development. The DDX-1000 was the designation for years for the DDG-1000 USS Zumwalt class Advanced Guided Missile Destroyer.
@tench745
@tench745 Год назад
In modern aircraft registry every country has a prefix that will precede the aircraft’s registration number. The US prefix is N (The UK is G, Germany is D, Canada gets C, and so on). In the early days of aircraft registration the N-number would have additional letters to denote the kind of registration it was. Civilian aircraft would be NC-#### and experiential aircraft would get an NX designation. The Spirit of St Louis, for instance, was NX-211. As I understand it, the creators of Enterprise wanted to harken back to these pioneering days of aviation and so gave the Enterprise its NX-01 designation.
@Mad-Bassist
@Mad-Bassist Год назад
Cool video! I guess if one sees a ship registry of ICV... we're all done!
@90lancaster
@90lancaster Год назад
I kinda like "Naval Autonomous" for the Texas Class as well there is the ties to paramount and paramount did the Live action Transformers movies, and they repeatedly called them "Autonomous Robots" so that would tie in nicely. I'm pretty sure that NX stands for Xperimental for several reasons. The X-Planes (I won't post a link but do a search for "List of X-Planes") But also it seems to fit with the Plot of Enterprise very well for it to mean that. The "warp 5 Xperimental programme #01".
@Bionickpunk
@Bionickpunk Год назад
Could also be "Naval Automaton".
@90lancaster
@90lancaster Год назад
@@Bionickpunk Could be but i'd associate that term more with organic forms like humanoid or animal puppets. Autonomous Vehicle sounds like something the US Navy would use as a term more and so seems to suit Star Trek to me too. If they had like a federation combat mech then perhaps that term automaton would suit that "maybe".
@HairTorque
@HairTorque Год назад
My word... You sir, are a massive nerd! I salute you.
@HairTorque
@HairTorque Год назад
Actually, it almost made me cry. I've been pondering these registration prefixes since the 80s. This video, for some reason, felt like... Felt like ,when I first discovered the internet, and other nerds.
@JohnSmith-el6lk
@JohnSmith-el6lk Год назад
It is my understanding that the real-life designer of the Enterprise took 17 tries to create the 1 final design of the Enterprise. Hence 1701
@RWSCOTT
@RWSCOTT Год назад
on some of TOS engineering conduits the gag acronym 'GNDN' is printed ('Goes Nowhere, Does Nothing') :D
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
GNDN has seen plenty of revival appearances now too :D though there were a few call-outs to it in TNG-era, they were usually printed too small on those labels to be read on screen.
@excelents
@excelents Год назад
If memory serves correctly in the TNG technical manual there is also mention of the ODN Bypass = "Obviously Does Nothing"
@RWSCOTT
@RWSCOTT Год назад
@@excelents lol!
@brianartillery
@brianartillery Год назад
Naval Construction Contract. It's a real abbreviation that was used on US Navy vessels.
@Jeffjg18
@Jeffjg18 Год назад
Great video explanation!!
@AustinFan4Life
@AustinFan4Life Год назад
Gene Roddenberry is the one who came up with the NCC, being from a military background, having a military designation is where his inspiration came from.
@michaeldelucci4379
@michaeldelucci4379 Год назад
The NCC letters are the old number system of aircraft identification by the old bureau of aviation. Since Roddenberry was a pilot that is how NC became NCC
@DonJoyce
@DonJoyce Год назад
Well strung out!!
@mauricerose3082
@mauricerose3082 Год назад
"The design of the Drydock that first appeared in Star Trek: The Motion Picture originated in the aborted second Star Trek television series, Phase II. When the script for what was supposed to be the series' pilot episode, "In Thy Image," called for a drydock, illustrator Mike Minor came up with a design that closely resembled the final product." "Drydock: orbital construction used for major maintenance and repair of starships and other space vessels. The original Enterprise NCC-1701 was refit in the San Francisco Yards dry-dock located in Earth orbit after completion of its initial five-year mission under Captain Kirk's command."
@kilroywashere513
@kilroywashere513 Год назад
Fascinating video🤔.
@roberta4145
@roberta4145 Год назад
NCC- Navel Construction Contract. Was first established in the FASA role play game.
@sagacious03
@sagacious03 Год назад
Neat look into this! Thanks for uploading!
@Torlonus
@Torlonus Год назад
It always annoyed me that the Enterprise was the only ship to get a letter. I understand not every name keeps it's registry but you'd think they'd come across a few others.
@marvelboy74
@marvelboy74 Год назад
Agreed. And there are a lot of arguments that can be made. I don't think we should ever see an Excelsior 2000-B because the name was associated with a class of ships. But now we have a bunch a head scratching at the use of the name Farragut since there was the original (which is a now a Farragut class), an Excelsior class and a Nebula class.
@Walexander3243
@Walexander3243 Год назад
Titan-A in Picard S3
@Torlonus
@Torlonus Год назад
@@Walexander3243 I know some exist but Titan is only on A compared to the Enterprise which is on E or F at this point. Not to mention if the third season of the sixth series is the earliest example you can think of it kind supports my point.
@Walexander3243
@Walexander3243 Год назад
@@Torlonus Yeah, but there are only like 20 or so instances of other federation ships being called out. Throughout the TNG-Voyager Era. Even in communication in the Dominion War ships might have had a dash designation, but you wouldn't say the Kongo-B is under attack. Also when renaming the Sao Paulo that could've been the Defiant-A but wasn't ever officially so. So they more so actively avoided it than even attempted to include other renound SF ships.
@Torlonus
@Torlonus Год назад
@@Walexander3243 They didn't have to call out it was a ship with a letter but we do see some ships where we can clearly see their registry number. Plus having the Defiant be the Defiant-A would've been interesting. Which circles back to my original post it would've been nice to come across a few of them even if it's just a background detail.
@xtraspecialmango
@xtraspecialmango Год назад
Nice Coaxial Conduits
@keith6706
@keith6706 Год назад
The origin of NCC was based on the production team noting that US aircraft registries began with N, while Soviet ones were CCCP, so, to show a united future, they combined them to NCC. That's it. That's reason. Anything beyond that is fanon and speculation.
@ElimGarakOnDS9
@ElimGarakOnDS9 Год назад
I remember once reading in one of the technical manuals that NCC stands for Naval Command Construction. But that was oh so many years ago 😂
@DavidRLentz
@DavidRLentz Год назад
Nuclear construction contract, attributed to Gene Roddenberry. Constellation: NCC-1017 Republic: NCC-1200 something
@penguinmaster7
@penguinmaster7 Год назад
i always assumed the A in NA stood for "Autonomous"
@ralphwiggum3134
@ralphwiggum3134 Год назад
I can't believe I never asked myself what NCC stood for! Now I know...
@1leggeddog
@1leggeddog Год назад
Simple subject,b ut informative!
@bdr32965
@bdr32965 Год назад
I was under the impression that USS stood for United Star Ship instead of United Space Ship. Because in the Star Trek world they refer to the ships as Star Ships.
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