I wish I had watched this video before I went on the road.... I still remember my second day on the road... got caught in rush hour traffic on a hill... looked in the rear view mirror, saw this big a$$ bus right behind me and I panicked... i stalled twice, trying to move and the one thing that I am so grateful for was that the bus driver didn't even flinch....how he knew I was I newbie rider, I don't know....but I keep sending up prayers to thank God for the driver's patience that day.... That memory will stay with me for a long time to come... 🙈... 😏
@Smell Good yea but nobody knows what that means. If she had a photojitsu channel people would know they were about to learn how to practice using a video cameras friction zone in a parking lot
Top lesson in this video. I'm just starting out on a 2012 CBR125R and yesterday I was practicing taking off on a hill and not rolling backwards. I noticed that if I keep the RPM at around 3000 and slowly ease out the clutch, there comes a point where the bike stands still (is no longer rolling backwards) and I can step off the rear brake. I just need to give it a little more gas and ease out the clutch to get moving.
Your clear instructions (Stop on a hill > Hold clutch > Rear brake > Add throttle [constant level] > Release clutch until bike wants to move > Go) really relieved my anxiety of stopping on hills. On the top of the hill was the first time my bike almost fell over. I'll try not to panic on hills now.
Hi, would like to thank my husband and you for helping me with my driver's license. Passed the test today. NO MORE "L" on my bike (but still in my head). Was a weird year to try and obtain a drivers license with Covid-19 but all the advice from you and all those practicing trips with my husband 👍👍👍 now we can practice more and explore the world.
I have been driving a MT car for several decades and even taught my sister how to start on a hill *many* years ago. About to buy my first cycle and these are my biggest fears: stalling out on a hill and dropping the bike. Or stalling mid-intersection on a hill and in traffic. So, thanks for sharing your technique!
Amazing video.. I've been doing it wrong the whole time. I've been hesitant about giving the bike that much throttle, thinking that it would wheelie. I got to find me a hill now! Great video! 👍🏾
Thanks, I am just starting to learn and hill starts are something difficult for me, this was a nice simple explanation with great demonstration, really useful!
you are reading my mind. that (beside curves) is my main problem. thank you SO MUCH for this advice. don’t forget people, ed is giving us free advices; some would charge you a lot of $. (forgive my broken english)
This video is probably the best hill video so far. Others have tried but the hills they used were only "gentle inclines". You gave me a little more confidence to purchase a bike now that I've seen how it's done, as I live on a "very very very steep hill".
I need to do this on the 900 # Harley. I see that is steep hill, I was surprised by the 3000 to 4000 RPM recommendation for your bike, wondering if the RPM recommendation for the Harley will be the same or more? I got used to the hill hold function on my bike, seems clear I need to learn how to take off from a stop on a steep hill the manual way.
Thanks for this. I was hopeless on my UK CBT because as a longtime cyclist I always put my right foot down. Changing to left foot down took some getting used to.
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thx so much for your instruction. hill start is my nightmare. you have solved my fear. and thx for camera lady. It is not easy to keep a camera steady on the hillside.👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for the lesson. I asked a San Francisco PD motorcycle officer how they train, constant repetition and putting themselves in almost impossible situations was the answer. I can respect that. Now since you're on hills, can you cover parking on them? Tire on the curb, rear or front, side stand uphill or down?
Thanks ...Huge respect for the fluid steep gradient fig 8's at the end....I did another hour of stuff in an empty car park today....I wont try steep hill fig 8 just yet!!!!....One step at a time !
Camera woman was the real hero. Great video. Clears up my anxiety for stop and starts on Hills. I'm a 75 year old man that's returning to riding after an ankle fusion. BMW GS. I need lots of practice. Maybe a lesson?
Hill figure 8 is actually one of the test items in my city, and we had to do it in a much tighter fashion, 2 cars worth of width and 4 cars worth of length. And as beginners (because it is a test items so everyone is a beginners), we aren't taught to nor are we any good to do it with the clutch. We basically just do maintainlence throttle at all time and use rear brake to control power/speed. So it is kinda easy to stall the bike mid way or lose balance because counterweighting as a beginners is just hard af.
I live on a top of hill in a neighborhood, not as steep, and semi-gradual climb, but also does have a gradual curve. So only way I can practice on flat surfaces is if I go down hill then come back up and up a steep driveway. I do not have a bike yet but I have taken an msf course, though I need to retake the evaluation. Getting a bike (Honda Rebel) soon to practice in between. I will definitely need to practice going uphill, so thanks for the demo.
Saw this pop up in my feed today but I didn't think I would have ventured into an area where there would be uphill start stop. Boy was I wrong... At least this will give me more confidence in using the rear brakes and not stall 3 times in a row.
Those figure 8’s were impressive, Looking behind you to see if car is coming can throw you off too. You have a lot confidence with your skills, i guess that just comes with a lot of practice and knowing the right techniques. Thanks for another great video.
I Live in a hill area going to and from our house, so I have no choice. I have one stop on a very steep section at main intersection to turn left or right and i have often wondered how am I am going to master this. Your video gave me the answer. Incredible thank you very much
This is really helpful. Can you make a video or recommend how to come in and out of a driveway which joins a road similar to what you have here. I have a similar situation like the driveway you see at 2:59 in this video. I dropped my new bike making a left turn into my driveway and I am looking for a strategy which will be easier for an inexperienced rider like me. 1) While coming out of the driveway on to the street should I plan on making a left turn (uphill) or right (downhill)? 2) While going into the driveway from the street, should I make a left (Uphill) or should I find a way to come in downhill and make a right to my driveway?
Experiment more. Do it both ways over and over and see what works best. No matter what video I have or could make, you’re the one who needs to ride it anyway. Go practice!
@@MotoJitsu Yup the more I think of it the more nervous I am . I think I am going to just have to get it out of my system. No matter how many videos I watch, I am going to have to make my own experience. Thanks for the inspiration.
Good lesson!! Much appreciated I got inspired how to U-turn in smooth manner from stop position on uphill. No try immediate U-turn but secure some room for riding first and U-turn on going. No room found ahead? Back a little and make a space.😄
Will do my second lesson in two days (first was two days ago on an enclosed testing area - first time on anything bigger than a 50 cc moped - and now on an old beaten up 600cc hornet), and have to drive the bike from the school in the middle of the city to the test center already at the beginning of the second lesson. The road there is pretty much straight, but a lot of intersections and traffic.. and a stop light in the middle of an incline. I'm certain this will help, and has already calmed me down for that part of the ride (if I make it that far, haha).
I live in San Francisco where there are hills all over the place. I’ve been riding for about 6-7 years and for some reason I didn’t think to utilize my rear break for my hill starts until two days ago. When I first started, I just developed this weird front brake throttling technique that was kind of awkward. It did the job, but rear brake is so much easier. Wished I had seen this video sooner 😂
I'm from SF and just got my bike, realized when I was bringing it home that the msf course was only on flat ground lol. Had to improvise while taking it home and did the front brake coordination it wasn't pretty but hopefully this is easier with rear brake!
Interesting. I bought exactly that bike a week ago. Today a car stopped in front of me on a steep hill negotiating a bicyclist. It all happened slow but in the end I stalled the bike. But ya the rear brake throttle clutch is how I got going again. That Tracer is a lot bigger then the 250L I traded it in for. I spend a couple hours a day practicing in low traffic area's working clutch control,cornering etc. The thing has a lot of power and I respect it. Practice Practice Practice.
@@MotoJitsu I'll check out your site fer sure! If I lived around San Diego I'd be hunting you down pursuing lessons. I ride pretty well but wouldn't be comfortable doing figure 8's on a steep residential street. That takes know how :)
With all my riding experience this is one thing I need to practice. My current model (vfr800) makes it more difficult turning circle at low speed is not great, I was better with my old 260kg Zx9. Giving it a go today next my new apartment . Australia has some mean hills
This is a good video with great explanations. Can you take this one step further and give tips on uphill stop into a left or especially right turn. I have trouble counterbalancing from a stop into a turn while pointed uphill.
Wow, what a great video. On my trip out to go anywhere is a steep hill with a 3-way stop. The drivers here also don’t pay much attention to those twin yellow lines. So, I have inner terror when I approach it. I don’t usually stop but slow down to almost a stop to watch for other cars. You won’t catch me doing “8” s on that hill, a drop off to the lake on one side. I will practice your technique next time.
Hello sir, your videos are very much appreciated. How you teach and demonstrate them is really beginner-friendly, and very effective. Thank you for this. Hope you are doing well.
Great videos, quality content. I'm getting my 1st bike next week. Only rode a few times before, so will be practicing alot. I've got loads of hills where I stay.
Great video, so far, best practice ever: u-turns and 8's on that hill. It has always seemed harder to go downhill to uphill. Control moto weight (and the passenger) is more difficult when you go down than uphill. Regards from Colombia
Thanks for the timeless advice,i was riding about a week ago after a year of not ridings the bike stalled on a hill tried to like 3 times till i got it moving,caused a traffic jam 😂😂 so this advice is very helpful...
Wouldn’t downhills be easier starting tho? Like its possible to just start moving with only clutch downhill. Stopping, you can apply same technique holding your rear brake so it doesn’t move. I don’t see not being able to flat foot being a problem if you can keep motorcycle up with one foot on left side (Opposite from rear brake).
On the CBT in the UK they get you to pull away in 2nd gear on the flat before going out on the roads, as it's easier to stall in 2nd, just like when on a hill in 1st. Cool video, and man, that's a cool looking bike! 😎
I love this. Why did I completely forget about the back break? I think when it’s starting I’m scared. I want Total control. Trust the bike trust the bike
I guess I learned a non-standard method. I am more comfortable with both feet on the ground and using the front brake. I have found that I can twist the throttle enough while holding the brake and can manage steep hills without issue.
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On a steep hill my front wheel slides back if I only use front brake as not enough weight over it, especially with pillion on back. No problem using back brake as the weight is already over it.
Greg, had an accident trying to do this manuever as a beginner. Incline at a T having to turn left with people behind me. Broken hand bone. Ouch. Thanks!!!
Here in the UK because we drive on the left it’s not always possible to cover the rear brake & flat foot your left leg due to the road camber especially on a tall bike. Covering the front brake when setting off on a hill for me is challenging with a heavy GSA.
I’m very much a newbie. I went for a ride in East county San Diego on a gorgeous day with crisp clear views of downtown, ocean and beyond. Stopping to admire and/or take pics I then found myself having to start a little or a lot uphill quite a few times. 😬 I was kinda nervous but hey, gotta practice! (Didn’t stall or roll back too far, but I need to get more smooth!)
On tall ADV bikes, there will be situations where the rider will have to dab their right foot, thereby not being able to hold the motorcycle on a hill with their rear brake. I would add to this exercise pretending that the Stop sign up the hill is skewed to the Left, forcing the rider to dab their Right Foot down, not have a choice but to use the front brake, and engaging the throttle while the front brake is applied. Thanks!
''If you stall the bike, no big deal'' while I'm watching this video knowing in my country they fail you instantly over stalling uphill lmfao. I hope I pass my test, this video was a great help. thanks.
Up and down hills don't bother me, but stopping when there is a sideways pitch in the road is horrible. We were riding down US101 on the Oregon coast the 2nd of August, 2022. I was on my 2021 Electra Glide Standard. There was a lot of road construction. One stop in particular was on a banked curve. The light turned red. We are at the line. Then the light turned green, I got ready to move and immediately the light turned red... within seconds of green. I still had my right foot on my rear brake, rims raised a bit to avoid a stall, and had just lifted my left foot when I had to put it down again. The lack of momentum threw me off and over my bike went, sending me rolling down into the oncoming lane... thank goodness there was no traffic. My bike is nearly upside down and it took 4 of us to upright it since I also had it loaded for a 5 day bike trip Anyway, bottom line, a banked stop. What's the best way to approach that to anticipate a stop and avoid what happened to me? Could you do a video on that? Love your content. Your camera lady is fantastic too.
The best thing for you to do is practice starting and stopping on hills like I show in this video....come to a stop front only on the hill then take off again...then stop with rear only, then take off...and go up and down a steep hill over and over again. Nothing else is going to improve your comfort and skill more than repetition.
Hello! I just wanted to clarify. So when you’re standing uphill on your bike (not moving) do you press on your rear break and clutch. then, when you want to start the bike use the throttle and slowly let go of the clutch slowly, and once you let go of the clutch slowly let go of the rear break?
He's actually making this more difficult than it needs to be. :) Rev it up, ease out the clutch. Ultimately you only need the rear brake until you have power applied to the rear wheel. The more experience you have the more smoothly you can do the transition. I think that he's actually messing himself up trying to demonstrate the rear brake, but the rear brake is really is a secondary notion here. The emphasis is on clutch and throttle control. The clutch and throttle could be used to hold the bike still on the hill too thanks to our wet clutch, though I wouldn't do this for long just because it's senseless. Don't over think it. Honestly I never really had to practice hills on a bike. It's pretty easy. I can see how learning to do it in a car would be more difficult because the clutch can't be slipped, but on a bike the clutch is usually designed to be slipped.
Also, I advise using the front brake to stop instead. It's a bit easier to get onto as you come to a stop. On flat ground it's not really significant (front brake is always more effective to stop with good traction, but I mean when you're stopping on flat ground you generally are in better control of where the bike is leaning), but if you happen to stop with the bike leaned slightly to the right you're going to need to catch it with your right leg which will be pretty hard if your leg is instinctively jumping onto the rear brake instead. It's a lot less movement required to go from throttle to front brake than from rear brake to ground. :)
Personally, I find the index finger on the front brake easier as it means both feet on the ground for added stability and the ability to select first gear from neutral if required. Plus, the index finger resting on the front brake makes fine throttle control easier whilst moving off.
What about when you are on a super steep hill and at a stop on the hill and have to make a left or right turn from the stop? As a relatively new rider, I get afraid of giving it too much and launching myself into or past the turn I need to make or not enough and stall/ roll backwards.
Another super-usefull vídeo for me, my island is only these hills, up and down. 👌👌👌 some roads here are like a U and them are dificult to me because i start going down and imidiatly starts up...
there is a steep short hill near my work issue is there is a set of traffic lights right at the top they are barley green for a second and the traffic can be right up your arse its so scary at times as a new rider ive stalled , and added way to much throttle i think its a confidence thing
I’m running into issues in my area with a road ending into a hill-road going down to the left. My first attempt at stopping there I rolled down the hill because the camber was such on the first road that me putting my left foot down, made the bike too heavy. Any tips on stopping with your left foot down in these situations? Or how to identify them without first dropping the bike?
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Just tagged my bike, I lied my insurance was only 17 bucks a month. The tires looked good before I went out, when i got back they both were splitting and dry rotted to hell. I have been getting really good at "stopping" without putting my foot down 😁
Seems darn near every traffic light atop an incline goes red just to stick it to me. Last time, I got the clutch and throttle right, but then my brain reached capacity and I forgot to get off the rear brake. Planning to practice so hard this wknd.
Stopping down the very steep hill is always quite scary though, since never sure if I'll be able to reach the ground haha (short legs). Practicing the butt off , leg hold (the one you showed) stopping for short legs though helps :D nice circles at the end! Definitely great to practice (before on flat haha).
