Florida, DEO got their federal $$$ so screwed up, the gov fired the mgr of the state agency. I had to jump through hoops for 5+ mo to get all my funds. State & federal PUA. It was a stressful mess. I was on 1 call for 60min + 📞 with a DEO office worker sorting out my claim problems.
"We'll give you five days to respond... to this letter that's going to take three days to arrive, and you may not pick up your mail for a week because your mail is in a common area of your apartment building and you're staying indoors like we told you to. That's fair, right?"
worse. I've had such notices that didn't even get delivered to my mailbox until a week after the due date for the payment, leading to me getting collections agents come after me for non-payment of bills I'd not even received yet...
I point this out to Europeans who mock us Americans for not having a government run healthcare system. I under the benefits, but jeez...go to the DMV and tell me if you’d trust the government to save your child’s life.
Here in Nevada, many people, still waiting to receive their first payment, have instead received notice that they were overpaid and need to return those funds to the State. Doh!
I had no idea nine happened for 8 years. They apparently over payed me and i had no idea. I fell through the cracks as i said for 8 years then all of a sudden get a bill for over 7k.... Apparently they first didn't notify me that they over payed, then they added boat loads of interest of course! I asked to appeal it and was told that it was too far along in time to request one. So now, they take my goddamn state income tax every goddamn year! Had no clue it even happened to me! And then they had the audacity to say it was fraud! Government is literally the worst! Oh and all of that for an "Apparent" over payment of $300..... The entire thing just sucks! Again, didn't know.....
As difficult as it is to reach a person when you call the unemployment departments of states, they could solve two problems at once by hiring out-of-work people to answer calls.
But that wouldn't "Save" the money - satire of course, as Governments only "Save" paying some people, to pay the "Interest groups" they (The Government) choose to "Win". Once the system is loaded, the cash machine has to be emptied..
Kansas, for example, had a terrible initial response due to lack of staff and a 40+ year old computer system running COBOL. They hired programmers and staff pretty quickly into the pandemic but... the computer system had to be up, running, and public facing 20 hours a day, and it takes *months* to train new hires in the minutia of unemployment laws and regulations so they can help people. I was told it took almost 6 months to write, test, and deploy new software (fix one thing, break 2 more) to the point that for most users, it's like Amazon. The people side? Well, they tried to put new folks on the phone lines and they were giving wrong answers or applying the wrong regulations, or the new federal programs didn't mesh up with existing state programs and guidance was not available. Back to more training. Some things can't be sped up beyond a certain point.
I'm taking the commissioner of ESD (Unemployment security division) in Washington to the Supreme Court in Washington for stopping payments against a court order to pay.
I despise the terms “unprecedented times” and “new normal”. There is nothing new about the American government trying to end American citizenry freedoms.
@@scottlemiere2024 I'm pretty sure the law didn't send the notices out. If that's what you want me to believe, I'd like to hear the physics behind that. 😆
This reminds me of long ago. I was injured and filed for state disability. I was currently using my sick leave to get by so I answered the question on the form that asked if I was using sick leave as YES. Of course I wouldn't have had to if they would have processed the claim during my lifetime! But eventually I got the money, then later an overpayment notice. But worse than that I was told I had to pay a penalty for false statements. I went to an appeal and said show me the form right now because I clearly remember I answered that question truthfully, and if it says anything other than yes then you have altered it and YOU are the ones committing fraud. They brought it out and there it was marked YES clear as day, and yet they not only paid me the money and wanted it back, but were trying to accuse me of fraud and charge me more as well. It doesn't matter how much information you give them, they will take forever, mess it up, and blame you anyway. I'm from the government and I'm here to help are the most terrifying words you will ever hear.
About 15 years ago, I had a work related injury, I was working through it and using my insurance for treatment, my company told me to file for a WC claim, I did. All went well. Had a small procedure on my knee, I did receive a few checks from WC, I thought I was happy. a Year later I am sitting in a local bar, and this is guy is sitting next to me talking about WC. Turns out he was a lawyer, I hire him (costs me zero) 2 weeks later I get an oops check in the mail, I guess we forgot about owing you that money. Than have a settlement hearing, they also seemed to have forgotten about. Got about $6500 from that, 2k in the back checks. Not bad for bumping into someone in a bar. He even said they aren't going to fight anything, they tried to pull a fast one, if I didn't meet the Lawyer, it would have worked, but if they objected to anything at the hearing, they would have to explain, why they forgot the checks and settlement.
There's a program out here in NV that helps with a rent check. For me, being single and male, it's $400.00 once in a yearly cycle, it used to be up to 3 months. This is back in the mid 2000's. The last time I needed that help they had me sign a document to the effect that I would pay it back, when I was able. As it turns out, six years after the fact, I walked into that same office to pay them back. It was hilarious that I was the first person to EVER pay back that help, after signing the promissory note. That help, at the time, was greatly appreciated, and I hope others have done the same.
You are honest! I was paid by my workplace while on jury duty. When I received my jury duty pay of $30. (3days at $10@day). I gave it to the manager. He was shocked, and. Returned it to me. "Keep it", I was the 1st to ever do this! I bought donuts for the break room 😀.
PUA quit paying me in either late June or early July. Thankfully my parents are able to support me financially, so I've given up on PUA and I'm still trying to find a work-from-home job and it's almost the new year.
Sad really that our federal government couldn't manage a nationally mandated lockdown. You know it's pathetic when local governments have to step up since national level folks are utterly incompetent.
@@falxonPSN Yeah, you got that backwards because it isn't the fed;s job to step up, it is the state's, and it is the states that is dropping the ball by continuing this pandemic BS
@@falxonPSN although the federal government very much should have done a lot more, these things are generally handled by the local and state governments. at least, under normal circumstances... however, with a crisis that effects the economy on a global scale, the federal government should have stepped in to help equal the playing field and provide a more stable base level for the local and state governments to operate from. the federal government has been a nightmare to work with under this administration... which hasn't helped things...
The governor put in an executive order suspending that repayment process for all payments made from March 2020 till December 2020 and can extend to 2021.
@@scottlemiere2024 Yes, that was assumed. I was saying what the government should do as a whole, not just a single person. They should defer this for now and at the same time make an announcement from the legislature that in the next session they will pass a bill to fund this oversight directly / etc. etc. ;)
all the people that are getting screwed by their mistake need to come together and file a complaint/suit against them.if there are enough people it might be doable for them.
This reminds me of what happened to my family about 10 years ago. My wife and my daughter are both disabled. My wife had not worked long enough prior to becoming disabled to qualify for Social Security Disability, so she was placed on Supplemental Security Income, which is reserved for people in her situation and for disabled children who have never worked. At the time I got a job working an hour away from home. I worked for 7 months before hitting a deer on the way home one night and not being able to return to the job I lost the job. I got anew job locally within a few months but that is not relevant to this part... Shortly after I lost the job but before I got the new job I was contacted by Social Security saying they had overpaid me more than $1,000 (I do not remember the exact amount) and that I could either appeal or they would start deducting payments from my wife's monthly SSI payment. I sent them a letter for an appeal. In this letter I detailed the reasons I should not have to pay the money back. One of the rules of SSI is that as the spouse of an SSI recipient I can only make a certain amount per month before they begin to deduct half of my income from her SSi payment. 1) I was being given $8 per day for gasoline for the 1 hour travel.. which was money that would never have been available for my wife so should not be included in the '50% shared' portion of my income. 50% shared means that as my wife she has access to 50% of my income. 2) I was acting in good faith when I did not call in to report my income because someone from their office had told me that unless I made more than $2,000 (may have been more like $2,400 but I do not remember the specific amount) I would not have to report because it would not affect the SSI payment. As additional information, it turns out that the amount allowed between 2,000 and 2,400 was only for our daughter's SSI.. my wife had a lower allowance.. around $800 per month.. which is why the overpayment happened.. it was based on her SSI, which only allowed me to make $800 per month and not our daughters higher $2,000+ allowance. 3) As I was now unemployed, decreasing her SSI payment would only increase our food stamp allowance due to reduced monthly income. Apparently SSI funds and Food Stamp funds come from the same pool of funds.. or something like that. I was sent a letter in response that I would not have to pay back the money. So yeah.. it pays to contact them back.. regardless of if you are right or wrong.
If you were gainfully employed for over 40 years like I was you will have had to at some point dealt with your local, county, state and federal governments at some point so I know of what I speak. So if any of those people in Washington state panics and sends some money back and it turns out they're in the group that actually didn't owe a repayment they will wait till Hell freezes over to get it back from the state.
My cousin in Tacoma said they told him he owed them 3000.00 but he only got payments for 2700.00 before returning to work. As a custodian at a hospital in Seattle.
My mother-in-law (dead for two years) was sent the $1200 check (to my address) . . . even though her name on the check ended with some letters (don't remember them right now) clearly indicating she was deceased. We didn't cash the check, but did keep it for amusement value.
Just like when the auto workers had to return their TRA money back to employers in the seventies. I left Ford's before they won in court and I didn't have to pay them back.
Yeah, that sucked the big wazoo. They took money out of my paycheck for a long time after I got back to work, at least a year. I really don’t remember, it’s been a long time. I was Ford, too. Laid off from early 1980 until spring of 1987. The cool thing was, though, the contract was worded so that I kept getting retirement credits while I was laid off. Where did you work? I was at NGP from 1974-2001, transferred to TGP and got a chunk of cash for that, worked there from 2001-2006. I took an early retirement in 2006, out the door at fifty years old with 32 credits.
I started at the Iron Foundry at the Rouge in 72, move to the Dearborn Assembly in 73 when Flat Rock foundry open. Laid off during the oil embargo in 74. Called back to the frame plant. Quite in 76.
I was in the middle of changing jobs just waiting on the drug test & background to come back but then everything started shutting down so I wasn't able to get unemployment.
Yeah the UI is trying to say that someone didn't find gainful employment, when they had a job offered to them, but shortly were shutting down, while in between jobs last march. The stay at home order went into effect late march in VA for me. They are trying to bypass the fact that Covid was a bad deal affecting jobs last year. The problem is, in VA, the UI is so unresponsive, and the lawyer even said, "no they don't even answer the phone, just appeal to every document they send you".
Super weird how the prisoners don't have the resources to submit and then the prison system says the state agency can't investigate them since they're not law enforcement. 🤔
I recvd a letter I was overpayed..I sent a check to pay in full almost a month ago..still check is not cashed!! Phone is always busy..no one to contact..sent emails..no response..This is Pa.
That's because it's the state trying to get money back from their own mistake. I also keep seeing comments saying the feds aren't even after the money, and that UI would keep all it to itself again.
they gave it it's a gift... that's what they tell us if we give them anything. f'm all their problem not ours. Sue the governor for ACTING UNDER COLOR OF LAW.
I’ll say this again... There are naive people who think it’s a better idea to let government bureaucracies run our healthcare services! Good luck with that.
Then there are the brainwashed that believe that it will be the government will somehow be worse than private insurers that only have profit in mind when making decisions.
@@scottlemiere2024 Brainwashed by insurance lobbyists? Perhaps. But if you haven’t personally dealt with government managed services, particularly those that are public-facing, then your expectations are wishful. There’s a reason that government -and its employees-have the reputation that they do...it’s called reality. If you blame insurers for healthcare’s costs , then simply reject health insurance. If enough people do, medical providers can’t exploit it.
In our town, one can go back 3 years to recoup proven overpayment of property taxes, however, the town can go back indefinitely to recoup one's underpayment!
I'm on my third unemployment plan this year and have made sure everything is straight and have responded to any of their inquires. I check for inquires from the state weekly.
I received a letter telling me I had been overpaid by £1400 in the letter they admitted fault, I wrote back and suggested they discover who had created the problem and ask them to repay as it was not my responsibility to correct the errors of people in their department, to cut it short, I won.
Called PUA 86 times nothing, contacted supported through email they sent me a email 2 weeks later requesting me to leave my number / message and a representative would get back to me. This was a month ago, no one has got back to me and I've called probably a dozen more times / messages. if they tell me I have to pay it back after they cost me my job that I was being set up to start, I am going to be livid. I had to call regular unemployment just to ask if I should file for PUA since the contact numbers to PUA are offline since it began. I tried getting a job during the Pandemic because I had a bad feeling about exactly this, but good luck it was a dead zone, never had so little calls in my life for employment as a technician.
In VA, they don't even give an approval letter. It's called a Monetary Determination. Then they give you a PIN to start claims. Then they come with the disqualification letter, and OP notice. Note, you can't contact a rep without a PIN, in VA. We'll see after the appeal. They said I didn't find gainful employment after leaving the last employer, and it wasn't from misconduct. I was trying to find work closer to home, and was tired of being sent OTR. By the time I had my first training day with the new company, they had to shut down due to the outbreak. Then the stay at home order came from the governor. This was late march of last year.
Took me 5 months and 3 very hard weeks to collect the $4,500 I was owed. Then they finally deposited... $19k. So I've been sweating bullets for the past few weeks, too afraid to spend any of it- fully expecting to get a "bill" demanding the return of $15k myself any day now. Needless to say it's no longer just sitting in my bank, not even on my property.
Steve, are there laws on how often you have to check your mail? I get 3-5 pieces of valid mail per month so I generally check the mailbox about once per week. The usual process is pick up the big pile of paper, extract one or two non-junk items and dump the rest into the garbage can before entering the house. If went to the mailbox every day then on most days I would just be transferring the entire contents of the mailbox to the garbage can. In my case my mailbox is in a "common area" that I don't pass by on my day to day routine, but this applies even more to post office boxes that require specifically driving to the post office. I didn't receive any unemployment benefits, but if I did it it's possible that I might not even see the notice before the deadline has expired if it was delivered right after my last garbage collection routine.
They are deducting the payments that were over paid from my UI account. This was caused by a confusion about dates and my severance package when I was laid off. I'll be done in a couple of weeks. Still, the confusion was caused by them, not by me. But it's almost over.
First, I would make sure this is not a scam by contacting the state directly. Second, I would point out that unemployed individuals are unlikely to have this kind of money lying around. Third, I would investigate how and why I was overpaid; why is this my fault and why must I be the responsible party?
I am getting these notices and I have received no payments. There is no way to tell them they screwed up. I have written four letters to the office and filed a police report. The govt is out of control. And still told to pay money I have never received. Nerve wracking.
"Monetary Determination is not the final approval of benefits." However, they didn't hesitate give the PIN, and hand out the money, then a year later say, the claimant is disqualified, but both faults were on the agency, not the claimant. In VA, you can't even reach a rep without a PIN. They wait until the disqual to sent out the OP letter, knowing the claimant who wasn't fraudulent, won't be able to contact the UI rep, without a pin. Hell, then why are there letters title with "Determination" and that someone would owe all that back, if the feds aren't really after the money.
It’s the same here in Australia, they made my a few overpayments that I told them at the time shouldn’t have been made, over the last twelve months I’ve been repeatedly querying this over 12 full months and if I have to pay it back but with no success. If they ever want it back it’s too late now and I’ll argue it all the way to the courts, it’s their stuff up, they’ve been notified multiple times so I consider the debt cancelled.
Just wait until people find they must pay taxes on the $1200. stimulus check they received.. I may be wrong, but exactly when was ANYTHING given for FREE ????
Surprised that somebody picked up that phone right away? Did it take hrs upon hrs and days upon days to talk to somebody about your claim if they weren't paying you right away? It took them 5 weeks to pay me unenjoyment and then I got called back to work the day after.
I processed unemployment claims for Nebraska for over a year until my companies contract ended with the state labor department. It’s the same story here and I suspect in most other states. I’ve seen people wait up to 10 months for an appeals hearing just to start receiving benefits.
Theres a bunch of Canadian entrepreneurs getting hit with 'Repayment notices' from Revenue Canada because the govt wasn't clear with the criteria for the programs that paid them (the CERB is what it was called here). Apparently $5000 of reported income in 2019 was the minimum threshold required to be eligible as a self-employed person. Seemingly, many of the applicants interpreted it to mean $5000 in annual 'revenue', which is a much, much different, easier to attain threshold than the $5000 of 'net' income. Apparently the word 'net' is what caused the whole wrinkle. 10:42 This was a part of the issue here, too. The govt set up the CERB, but also set up ancillary funding for our Employment Insurance program, too. People werent sure which one they qualified for, or sometimes they would qualify for both, but you were only allowed to apply for one, and in addition to all that, the govt was explicit that they would NOT deny ANY applicants, in favour of getting the money out the door, and to deal with the fraudsters later, of which we have an estimated 800k applicants who didnt qualify....
Years ago, my best friend got an overpayment notice from the state unemployment commission. The notice said that he could either repay the overpayment or have it deducted from any future claims. Of course he selected the latter option.
wait for the issues up here in canada with our cerb and crb system for covid money .... almost no one was denied including alot who were not intitled to it. biggest issue will be homelss people who took the 2k a month for at least 6 month withought being eligable under the terms of the program
This sort of nonsense happened to me. There was confusion as to how much money I made on my menial job, I went through a hearing, and I was told I had to repay almost $800. A month after I sold my last kidney to pay back the overpayment, the state returned the money to me. Such BS.
I put that in an appeal. I also made notes in that appeal, about the waiver HB2040 that is supposed to become law in VA, on July 1st, from their own website. They are supposed to give out applications within 30 days of their notice to the person with overpay notices.
Back in the 90s when I got out of the military, I kept getting letters saying I had been overpaid and owed $2,000 + while enlisted. I didn't have it to give, so every year for 3-4 years my tax return came in the form of a letter saying "here's how much your refund was, we took it".
I suppose that the people who got the notices could argue promissory estoppel. The problem is that some courts, such as the Missouri Supreme Court, have ruled the promissory estoppel generally cannot be used as a defense against a liability to the government.
Ridiculous. Unemployed people can't expected to know if they are overpaid. This mistake is the State's problem in my opinion. Trying to correct it is more trouble than just forgiving it and moving on.
