This just tells me that the auditors are making a difference. BAD cops fear cameras. When the criminals can make laws to hide their crimes we are in big trouble.
Yep, I agree with you and it also shows it is more than just the officers who are corrupt, it goes all the way up the ladder,the system is corrupt,they already get qualified amunity (which is bs) next thing there will be tanks driving around the streets, I wish I had a camera phone when I was harassed or wrongly accused, that is our only defense,in court if it is your word vs there's you lose everytime that is our only defense and they want to take it away,
These Auditors have not exposed any bad cops. They push the officers and other to the point of aggravation and harassment, knowing that the officers can do little about it. Also these idiot will go as far to post their names and addresses to have their mindless followers to make threats and harass their families. Filming the police doing their job is one thing. But the second they interfere should be illegal. They most of the time don't know what is going on nor do they care. Look at what Ian McGuire did. He posted the name and address of a witness to a crime and had people call her. Then a woman he clearly stalked. He sent sent sex toys to her and her grandchildren. He sent her a dead cat in the mail. He and many others called her job. So, yes this may be a vague, but I can more laws coming that would protect these officers private lives.
@@spikespa5208 why? The law is a bullshit one that violates the right to freedom of the press. We have established case law that allows you to record government officials in the course of their duties. Smith v. Cummings out of the 11th circuit. Also Brown v. Texas also sets precidents.
@@brentfarvors192 A bought police union rep probably. Someone said this was because of a lawsuit a Union muckity muck lost because he got caught harassing a journalist.
retaliatory law and an utter lack of transparency. there's copious amounts of case law regarding filming police in their official capacity. even if this law passes, it'll be overturned in the courts. however high that may be.
Why? This law doesn't prevent you filming the police, or using that footage to call out their behaviour if not up to standard. It merely prevents the use of footage for intimidation.
@@underwaterdick because without clear definition of what "intimidation and threats" actually are, and as to where and when this would apply, the police could simply say they felt threatened by you posting a video of them doing something wrong, even if you never engaged them while you were filming. They could create some bullshit story about how people called the station and threatened the cops because of your video and YOU would go to jail not just because of the actions of other people, but for doing exactly what the supreme court has already defined as a protected right. It's an unconstitutional bill right from the get go which is only designed to temporarily suppress the public's ability to record in plain public view, the actions of public servants. Do you need any more clarification? And fyi I'm not some cop hater, I used to work hand and hand with federal law enforcement many years ago. I raised my hand and swore an oath of public service to this nation and it's constitution. I consider that oath as binding and life long.
The problem with the first amendment is that its existence on paper doesn't mean anything if laws start being allowed that suppress it. Sure, the amendment will still exist, but as soon as there's 9000 "exceptions", does it _really_ exist?
Oklahoma is the land of private prisons and authoritariansm. This will get passed and the residents of that state will mostly deserve it by virtue of living there
i don't know what is more aggravating, this law, or the fact that legislators stated that they voted on a bill that they did not read, and only relied on Q&A provided by the bill's authors....
No, many circuits have, but from my research the tenth circuit has no current precedent. There is a case in process that should hopefully set it but not decided yet that I've seen.
When you look at it, that also means that any news story about a cop would be illegal, along with any of the 'feel good' stories about police would also be illegal.
And I would go against it for discrimination. As a Locomotive engineer, if a railfan videos me breaking a rule, it could cost me my job. Why should cops be any more protected?
Exactly. They would have to prove why the police deserve more rights to privacy than any other private citizen. They can't prove any such thing because it would be discriminatory and ludicrous to create a special class of people who have more rights than the rest of us schmucks. Equality under the law is the entire basis of our constitution.
Right. Qualified Immunity is just another form of discrimination against private citizens. Equal treatment under the law HAS to be the rule; otherwise, our constitution unravels.
@@malekodesouza7255 just so you're aware all of the people who marched to the capitol on January sixth are supporting a guy who pissed all over the constitution just six months prior! Isn't it a weird coincidence! The capitol riot date 1/6 Because on 6/1 trump ordered a group of protesters be removed from liberty square! So he could walk across the street and have a photo of him holding a bible up side down! Did you notice he didn't enter the church? Or ever attend services! He violated those people's rights for a photo op. For the alleged"Christian right wingers ! You know the one's who are anti abortion!( they like to say they are pro-life when really they are pro- birth!)
Looks like someone is trying to to make it harder to bust misconduct on the part of law enforcement. Maybe someone needs to investigate this individual to see what kind of mischief he is up too.
Sounds like a prelude to a complete takeover of your nation's population is at hand. Law makers seem to be "getting ducks in a row", dotting I's & crossing T's beforehand.
It's not the cameras. It's the people behind them. The RU-vid Auditors that think harassing people is ok. The group of idiot that think they are reporters.
@@thunderbird0024 So police insist on not being "harassed" by their employer, now? Or else what happens to the citizen who they work for? Maybe police should focus on addressing their bosses' concerns in sufficient detail and to their bosses' satisfaction, instead of fighting their employer tooth and nail? Or maybe police that are commonly being "harassed" by their employer should be let go, that's the easy button. In what world do you live in where an employer taking time out of their busy day to "harrass" their bad employees is anything but notice of job termination?
"It hurt my feelings and threatened my livelihood that you posted video of me putting someone in the hospital and charging them with felonies because they were guilty of not kissing my ass. *_You_* should be arrested." Frickin' crazy.
Or stopping someone based only on a general description without taking into account all the particulars and not informing the person stopped that they're police not to mention not telling them exactly why they stopped them.
@@robertlee9395 "We received a call", "We're doing an investigation", "You're impeding", "I felt my life was in danger", "I smell weed", "I smell alcohol", "In times like these", "With everything going on today", "There has been crime in the area", "You fit the description"...
@@MonkeyJedi99 "There's fresh damage on your car". "Your friend talked". "We have you on video". "We saw you coming out of that house". "You don't like using your turn signals, do you"?
So pictures of police would affect their "livelihoods and families", but police have no qualms about publishing mugshots of incarcerated persons, regardless of whether they've been convicted of a crime, which would almost certainly affect their livelihoods and families. Hypocrite much?
Exactly. The police do everything the citizenry is not allowed to do all in the name of safety and protecting the citizens. But you’re literally doing what you’re stopping other people from doing... the American justice system is a god damn joke.
@@onenationunderduress8994 I've seen this point brought up to a u.s. senator in an interview . He acted completely befuddled trying to defend the system. DUMBASS politician.
You refer to Art. II, section 22, right? ("Every person may freely speak, write, or publish his sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right; and no law shall be passed to restrain or abridge the liberty of speech or of the press . . . . ") And maybe section 2, as well? ("All persons have the inherent right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the enjoyment of the gains of their own industry.")
@@mwduck that would be it. this law could be used to chill first amendment rights of the people, especially holding public officials accountable and for transparency
@@suednonymous8587. Oklahoma Constitution Article 2, section 22 kills this traitorous Police Union bill. ----- SECTION II-22 Liberty of speech and press - Truth as evidence in prosecution for libel. Every person may freely speak, write, or publish his sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right; and no law shall be passed to restrain or abridge the liberty of speech or of the press. In all criminal prosecutions for libel, the truth of the matter alleged to be libelous may be given in evidence to the jury, and if it shall appear to the jury that the matter charged as libelous be true, and was written or published with good motives and for justifiable ends, the party shall be acquitted. ----- Not only dose the right to publish exist, it is explicitly stated by the STATE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. The LIABLE provision lets what got Published be heard as evidence by a jury who can acquit the party accused if good motives or justifiable ends are shown. The Police Union fighting for this crap law are the criminals and the Bill itself is void here because of the above.
Sounds like it boils down to just being a anti First Amendment auditor because they already tried to say it's for officer safety with this day and age or some of these are undercover officers and so it falls right in line with everything that the cops try to say they always act like they're filming them in public is dangerous so it's a anti First Amendment audit law
We need a bill that makes it a felony to arrest or prosecute bank robbers, after all: we are talking about peoples livelihoods and peoples families. Its off limits! People need to be held accountable who think this behavior is appropriate.
*So film away all you want & then just mail it to a youtuber in another State so **_they_** can post it.* (simples, huh? l thought that one up all by myself!)
Would this bill make it illegal for me to video the police driving cars leading the local Christmas Parade and posting that online? Asking for a friend.
I better be careful, I have a camera down the parking lot, which watches all of the cars driving on the road out front. With a state trooper station within walking distance, I see a lot of police cars in a day.
Qualified immunity needs to be scraped or severely reworked to make it much more specific. It's currently used as a 'get out of jail free' card by cops and officials caught doing things that would land ordinary citizens in prison for the same actions.
Every single cop needs a body cam filming them whenever they are on duty. If they "accidently" turn it off they should be charged with obstruction of justice. Screw "Internal" Affairs, we don't let criminals police and try themselves.. An external, well funded, dedicated and PUBLICLY TRANSPARENT agency should be created to police the police.
What about posting their service records, salaries and disciplinary records? This information is not posted or if it is posted, it is difficult to find but it is public information that is available upon request.
Lawmakers pass laws all the time without knowing anything about the subject, or even what it is the bill. Anybody remember the "affordable care act?" "We have to pass it to find out what's in it." Actual quote. Our legislators are useless and do more harm than good. I'd love it it you did an episode on HR 217.
I hope the bill on video taping police passes. Think about how easy it will be to make money off of. Police and politicians are idiots. Money money money.
republicans don't care. they wipe their ass with the constitution. they only care about second amendment and the religious part of the first amendment.
@@greenvilleobserver9431 And the Demoncrats will do everything in their power to destroy anyone that doesn't agree with and bow down to them. Life's a 2 way street and all people in power better start realizing that.
@@greenvilleobserver9431 ... Hate to see it but I see authoritarian rulings rising from both states red and blue. And now that the Federal level is basically represented by only the blue I have a feeling you're going to see plenty of that also going on. It's much easier when you have cart blanche... I'm not happy with either side. I say we bring back the Bull Moose party... Even though most of the things Teddy fought for came to fruition without him due to FDR, I think the premise is to shake things up... Just not go full on socialism as I just don't think it would work in this country without an extreme boot to the necks of many.
@@rll9911 The same type of thinking that results in racial prejudice, unequal treatment of individuals and all manner of hate, is the type of thinking you express here. There are bad cops just like there are bad people in every human endeavour in history. Cops where I live do an unbelievable amount of good (often unpaid) work in our community. They’re the first people called when there’s trouble. They are the last to be thanked for letting people off for something like a speeding ticket (it’s always something wrong with them rather than the fact you were speeding, driving drunk, whatever.) Good cops are way more prevalent than bad cops. Your life is much better because good cops are looking out for you and protecting your interests!
Here we go, knew this was coming.. passing vague laws that hide accountability from those that should be held to a higher standard in their position. Need to hold our congress people accountable if they pass laws that take more of our freedoms away.
Just called my Rep, that HB2273 died in committee and did not make it to the house floor. They have called it dead! Thank you for the heads up on that one. Keep it up!
I believe the legislation was deliberately crafted to fail in court. Moreover, The OK bill will pass with ease and Kentucky will pass a similar bill. The primary purpose is to shield local governments from civil and/ or criminal liability of the actions of arrant LEO's
45-8-213. Privacy in communications Montana Annotated Code [statute] (2) (a) Subsection (1)(c) does not apply to: (i) elected or appointed public officials or to public employees when the transcription or recording is done in the performance of official duty;
I'm in my mid-60's and have been a Conservative law & order (and Constitutionalist) guy all my life but in the last few years the blinders have been removed from my eyes by videos of obviously bad police officers being exposed. I TOTALLY want every police officer to have a HEAD CAMERA (not a body camera which frequently gets blocked by arms or body position) that is on ALL his shift and he/she CANNOT turn it off (as again camera 'failures' sure have suspiciously not caught claims of bad behavior). The culture of today's police across the country has become sick and they have degenerated into corrupt militarized authoritarian jackbooted thugs, very similar to a 'Blue' gang. Good officers become corrupted and cover for bad officers in an 'us vs them' attitude. I've SEEN / HEARD local LEO openly disparage everyday citizens in my community (team of "SWAT" officers at lunch in a Kentucky Fried Chicken [as public as it gets] nastily talked about how stupid people are and how... Quote "most people are sheep easily dominated" as a good thing" unquote. Many other disgusting things were said during the 30 minutes they were there by the 'Guardians if Society's. None of the five officers I observed should be officers because of their attitudes!
@@thomassims1304 I don't think live streaming would be good as criminals would be able to track the officers location and do their crimes when officers are too far away or otherwise occupied. BUT, I think their cameras should stream to a secure storage that's NOT accessable by police OR crooked District Attorney's to erase or modify. The BIGGEST problem is actually storage capacity and who's going to pay for it. A single cop working 8 hours a day for 5 days x 4 weeks racks up 320 hours of video... Multiply that times hundreds of officers in any reasonably sized police department and it become a huge data storage. And who maintains it? That costs money too. And how long do you keep the data? You have to keep it long enough for a person to file to have it protected from erasure so they can use it for Their defense, right? But the wheels turn very slow in government and they drag their heels to protect each other. There need to be penalties if a file requested for evidence gets deleted 'accidentally' (which has already happened multiple times with our current corrupt in-Justice system and crooked cops).
Thank you for this video. I'm in OKC and the cops here are horrible tryants . I'm super worried they will pass the bill. I will challenge it the police need to be held accountable.
Just trying to figure out how any cop -and I used to be a sworn deputy- could ever think that they have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" while acting in a public capacity. This makes no sense, if a person works in a warehouse the people who hired that person sees them commit a violation-policy/law - they can have CCTV of that incident... there's no difference here in my mind.
@@edwardmiessner6502 by state law but their own jurisdiction can trump that and many of not most depts require name and badge number to be given on request.
The constitution is under constant, sustained attack. Having grown up as an American expat in Venezuela and seeing where that beautiful country is now, I'm passionate about the need to hold on to our constitutional liberties
These laws never do what they should. Cops should not be doxxed, and I don't think citizens should be either. We need antidoxxing laws. But you should be able to film cops doing their jobs. This isn't a hard one.
So if the police post a picture of me as, “person of interest,” I wonder if they’d jail themselves when it turns out that I’m not the criminal perp they’re looking for.
lets assume the law passes: if the public request a dash/body cam of an incident, the police could refuse because the video contains officer's likeness?
Recording the police is almost the only form of police accountability that we have now considering qualified immunity, police unions, and police investigating themselves.
The Supreme Court has ruled on filming the police in the course of their duties and I don't think any state law can supercede the Supreme Courts findings.
