A few steam engines try the mighty county 1884 in a tug of war At ballymena steam engine show Northern Ireland Who wins the battle ? watch to the end !
@@Angie-dh5gr not in the case of these steam tractors, these things can't do shit compared to real tractors today, plus it weighs a lot more than the other tractor so it wasn't fair
@@Burago2k It's low speed, high torque. It's nothing to do with the weight of the engine. Traction engines work harder when they are just about to stall, just at a slower pace.
@@goldenarrow71 i was saying that their weight is an advantage to pulling and that they are basically really slow, i mean this really isn't for talking, these are relics that no one uses and are outdated, and these machines can never see as much work as normal tractors, simply too slow and rigid, old machines are always tougher made but this is too old, thats the point
I have always admired steam power, simply because of its simplicity, all it requires is fire and water, and those two basic simple elements when used together I’m more powerful turn almost anything we can build today, and these things were built over 100 years ago, to me that’s nothing short of a miracle! Whoever invented steam locomotives was an absolute genius, hard to believe something so simple could be so incredibly powerful and effective, and probably a much lower operating cost. It almost makes me question why we even bothered with diesel, when steam could easily take its place to this very day. I know steam engines take a lot more TLC, but if you’re looking for pure brute strength, you can’t go wrong with steam, wish I could say the same for diesel, but having driven both, steam hands-down is the clear winner, it’s just a lot more complicated at first to operate, but once you get the hang of it it’s dead simple, and very easy to fix.
You can feed that diesel all day with a few gallons, yoi can't do the same with a steam engine. Plus, the actual size of the engine in both machines isn't even comparable, a diesel of the size of that steam engine can be found in a ship not in a tractor
That's part of the package. You can't separate any individual component. If the steam engine is get a "weight" advantage is because that weight is part of its nature, so it's still attributable to the steam machine as whole.
I'm surprised the chain didn't break. It was small enough that I couldn't even see it on my phone. I thought maybe they should be using something more like battleship anchor chain.
Ballast the cost of unty to the same we will ght then let's see it would slipe that traction engine it's all about weight and a lighter tractor wasn't pulled by the steamer so I'd say win for county
@@zzirSnipzz1 The only reason why the County wasn't pulled backwards was because the Traction Engine had smooth rubber tyres and only one of the drive wheels was grabbing enough to put any power at all to the Very Wet ground while the other spun. For an Engine with smooth tyres and only one wheel gripping on wet mud to stop a nearly as heavy 4WD tractor that has much better tread and all 4 wheels driving, dead in it's tracks and let it bury itself is proof enough and very impressive. Watch "Millars Tractor Spares" even when the other tractor buried itself in the mud, the Steam Engine kept going against the building resistance of the mud piling up. Even if the tractors were the same weight the Steam Engine would still win because the Diesel just cannot compete with the torque.
@@boostjunkie2320 Watch "Millars Tractor Spares" the only reason why the same thing didn't happen here was because of the very wet mud. Plus the second Engine in this video had smooth rubber tyres and only one of the rear drive wheels was gripping enough to put any power to the ground while the other wasted most of it by slipping and spinning. For an engine in those conditions to stop a 4 wheel drive tractor that had much better tread (and therefore much better chances at getting a grip) dead in it's tracks and make it bury itself is impressive.
I love how the diesel fans are getting upset that a tractor from the 1910's is almost pulling the county with 1 wheel drive and caked tires while the county is digging a hole going no where
@mohikaan96 Yet the diesel lost and always has. UP Big Boy outpulls any modern diesel train. You can use all the math you want but it doesn't help the fact that steam pulls a higher amount of metric tons.
@mohikaan96 So you Google which is not a reliable form of info and have never been to the Union Pacific railway where the engineers will tell you otherwise? Typical Google PHD lol.
@mohikaan96 So you are completely unaware Wikipedia is not a reliable source as it can be edited by anyone. And this is made clear by college professors. I'll stick to what engineers actually say and not a random person with Wikipedia. 💀
I love both vehicles but the ol'steamer is just beautiful and such a warhorse even now! It's looking for '19 and' 20 challenges already! I'm talking 2119-2120!!!! As that machine will still be there!!!! Wow I love it! 😎👉🌀
No protection from that cable snapping? My father told me that when he was the vietnam war. His crew were trying to use 1 tank to pull another tank out of a mud pit. The cable snapped and cut a soilder in half.
@Ska boo the story itself may have been fake but the fact that steel cables and ropes snapping can slice people clean in half isn’t fake, and who are you to just decide this anecdote just isn’t true
Or you watched Final destination…..straps can do that too that’s why you need a suitable size of cable/strap/chain or even a bar and then that won’t happen.
@@michaelanderson7715 not necessarily, going by that logic if I had steps in the ground i could win tug of war with a car so, there is a good chunk leant to power
Some steam tractors do have differential locks. A wise old mechanic told me never engage the pin in the lock, cause it will take a hundred years more to get it out.
Although a steam engine can output full torque at zero speed, a steam engine has an obvious limit; the steam pressure times the piston area is the maximum rod force that can be generated.
But the faffing about trying to get the steam engine to pull, the county would pull most things at any time, I’d pick the county any day of the week and it’d be half the price
Suprising considering the steamer is not all wheel drive, even with weight differences, i never considered the steamer to have any chance... in its stead it said... hold my beer.
Witness the power of fire and water versus diesel. Steam could and should make a comeback these days given current fuel prices. Anything that burns is fuel essentially.
Quite a fair fight, I believe steam won from weight and torque they are all beautiful machines I feel like tge ford had to be careful to not damage the steam as they're so old and beautiful
Nice video but the steamer is a little too small. Should be a 65 hp, like the Case or larger. That 150 hp Case seen on you tube will pull this gas tractor backwards without even straining. Check it out. It is like a locomotive without tracks.
Hp doesn't matter when towing. It only does if you want something done quickly. People don't understand what torque is it seems. It's probably got more torque than that diesel and starting off at much lower rpm being only 6hp, Here 6= almost 0 rpm x massive torque It could line tow a battleship into dry dock, something steam engines used to be used for in the states at least.
What nobody says here and what you MUST remember is that a steam engine will run backwards. So the steamer MUST be allowed to go forwards for a few seconds to accomplish this task.
rod builder Err, no. That's only if it has a slip eccentric valve gear, which is mainly a toy steam engine thing. Most full size engines have a manually controlled forward/reverse system. However single cylinder engines do sometimes need to be spun to start as if the crank end is perfectly inline with the piston rod, called dead centre, the engine has no way to convert the pressure into rotation. Twin cylinder engines have the cranks offset by 90 degrees to prevent this and are self starting.
Hi , my real job is on sea going tugboats. We once had a new mate on who spun a 400’ long barge so hard that the tow wire pull started the tow winch motor in reverse. Like a rip cord on a lawn mower. The diesel motor was running backwards! The exhaust pipe became the air intake. The intake became the exhaust , and oil was blowing all over the winch room .What a mess , but it ran backwards.
@@DAKOTA56777 Some locomotives with 3 cylinders had the middle cylinder between the frames run with slip eccentric valve gear. The outside cylinders with cab reversible valve gear.
I don't think that they were designed for this. It seems that the ridiculous (load) pulls the blue tractor's back down and front wheels up making 4wd useless. The traction engine probably doesn't spread it's weight as well.
Vince King the steam tractor is heveyer than the blue tractor which helps it pull the blue tractor with its high torqu and it is made out of steel all of it
The Ford County weighs 7 tons. 4 tons over the front axle & 3 tons over the rear axle. As you can see, it gets all the grip it is ever going to get, with all 4 wheels either spinning, or stopped & bogging the engine down. It also has 146 bhp, & 1000 ft/lbs of torque. It generates a measured 11,352 lbs of drawbar pull on test, or 5.16 metric tonnes of pull. Slightly less than the 100 bhp 1917 traction engine.. That's progress!
This was just for show. The operator of the Diesel was letting the steamer pull him backwards until the steamer got up enough rpm, before letting off his clutch. The strap was also hitched higher on the steamer, which would give it some advantage in traction, and take away some traction from the diesel. Bottom line; The steamer needed to be a little higher horsepower and weight. Hook the 110 Case steamer to the, probably 180 hp diesel, and it would probably pull the diesel all over the track, without much effort.
2WD seam tractor vs 4WD modern tractor ... The modern has a major traction advantage. How about a 2WD modern tractor? Or don't they make those anymore?
The modern tractor couldve won if it really came down to it. But had to take it easy cus shaking around and tipping a steam tractor like that can quickly lead to a boiler explosion.
Traction engine: Rear wheel drive, really thin sidewalls/ tyres, 1 cylinder double acting engine. Tractor: All wheel drive, massive sidewalls/ tyres, 6 cylinder single acting engine, probably turbo charged too, i could hear it. Yet those traction engines beat it and or were at evens, Just imagine the capabilities if you designed one with modern technology it would be pretty awesome.
I know this is an old post but... It would be so cool to see steam engines brought back to life with modern technology like the gas and diesel engines have! Just imagine having a boiler made from a lightweight super-heat conducting material with insulation in all the right areas to prevent inefficiencies. Imagine combining this boiler with pipes to a perfectly machined piston; built for efficiency it is strong and light weight and prevents steam leakage. Now do the same for the cylinders and add electronic oil pumps with their computer system. If you put this all together you will have the strongest, most practical, and modern steam engine of all time! it would be reliable and so much fun to operate with its simple yet elegant design, the steam engine would be a beautiful work of art. Now this would just be a start, imagine what could be done with a vision for the steam engines' advancement? What could a vision do!?
@@michaelanderson7715 Traction isn't really a problem for traction engines, The torque is really high in steam engines which is what would make them pretty good if they are redesigned.
@@natejimz I agree, I mean we do use steam to power things nowadays with the turbines in nuclear power plants that produce around 1mil horsepower. So imagine a vehicle design, you can heat the water with electricity generated by itself.
Steam has the torque advantage because it pushes the piston from both sides compared to a traditional combustion engine from which the fuel only pushes from one side.
horse power is torque times a speed rotation. One cannot have any horse power with zero torque. But one can have torque ( static like a torque wrench ) not producing horse power. 550 ft -lbs / sec. is one horse power. Some engine s motors such as electrical produce 100℅ torque at zero rpm. whilst gas diesel have a range of rpm often referred to as a "power band" a range of rpm where each engine produces maximum torque and horsepower. Steam has low rpm lugging ability.
