A hundred and twenty-five years before the Overground, these little steam engines were the power behind the commuter lines of South London. Ko-Fi: ko-fi.com/jagohazzard Patreon: / jagohazzard
I love me a terrier - so very 'cute' if you'd go as far as that. They also have the distinction of being one of few Victorian engines preserved in any quantity above 1 or 2.
Steam engines were generally built for a 40-year lifetime; any that remained in use beyond that can be considered as Really Useful. There were a few classes in that category; some, like the J72, had build dates over 50 years apart (first batch 1898, last batch 1951).
@@hairyairey The vital ingredient is carbon which can literally be pulled out of the air - most of the coal is just used for heating. There are already pilot plants producing steel without using coal. Finding other sources of fuel is something that anyone running steam locomotives needs to be looking into.
Did anyone have a double-take at the casual remark "one was a pub sign for several years ..." The Terriers were lightweight, but the mind boggles at one swinging from a bracket! But it's absolutely true, 46 Newington sat on a plinth outside the Hayling Billy public house in Hayling Island for several years, maybe the world's largest pub sign? I saw it there as a child. A Google images search on "46 Newington pub sign" produced a gratifying number of photos that brought back happy memories.
Here in the US there area number of old railroad cars that have been incorporated into restaurants. So a pub placing one out front seems entirely possible.
@@comicus01 There are a couple of similar ones in Britain too, either on heritage railways or standalone. With carriages of course the advantage is that you can use them as the restaurant itself. The engine was just a display item. (I suppose you could have used it as a gigantic pressure cooker). Anyway it was rescued, restored to working order and is now running on the Isle of Wight Steam Railway in its earlier guise as No. 8.
@@iankemp1131 Thanks. But I should clarify: when I've seen railroad cars used as part of a restaurant, it's only been the passenger car (carriage), no locomotive present. And it's usually next to a building where the kitchen and more dining tables are. The old car is usually used as an extra dining room.
Before I read up on the many theories as to what exactly 'Improved Engine Green' meant, it always seemed rather obvious to me - if you look at a Terrier (or other LBSCR loco in IEG) the ochre panels are surrounded by dark green. The green is the 'background' colour, on which the ochre panels are carried. This is how Victorian liveries were conceived by those who designed them - as a series of coats of colours built on top of each other and complementing/contrasting as desired. This is especially obvious on a Terrier or other tank engine because the curved tops of the tank casings mean there is a large area of green, but it applies to tender locomotives too, where green can be seen acting as a backing to the ochre on the wheel splashers, cab and tender sides and in between the lining of the boiler sections. Also consider that IEG replaced the existing Brighton livery that was plain dark green (thus making Stroudley's colour scheme 'an improvement on the existing engine green' and that it was only worn by passenger engines. Goods engines continued to be painted all-over green, although it was a new shade of dark green of Stroudley's own creation...which was created by mixing carbon black pigment into the ochre paint used on IEG. Which suggests that whatever the exact mix, and exact pigments, made up the 'official' brew for IEG at Brighton, that the ochre contained at least some green. The Victorian liveries were masterpieces of visual design when you consider the very limited palette of almost entirely natural pigments they had to work with, and how often they managed to come up with colour schemes that so perfectly matched the forms of the locomotives. If you look at an LBSC locomotive in IEG up close, you'll see that there are actually seven distinct colours - those ochre panels on the tanks are divided from the olive green background by thin lines of vermillion, black and white. The letters used to spell out of the names are applied in gilt, but backed up by black shading, highlighted by almost invisible single brushstrokes of blue, red and white. All extremely subtle, but if you see a colourised photo or a model without these additions the result is that the livery looks flat and lifeless, while with them it immediately takes on almost three-dimensional, vibrant appearance. Those old masters in the paintshops knew exactly what they were doing - the reason why the GWR livery of dark green with orange lining both works so well and seems to only get better with age is that both paints are made from chrome pigments (chromium oxide for the green, lead chromate for the yellow/orange), so despite the stark contrast in colours the two paints 'sit' together and eventually blend and soften into each other.
To a colourblind person such as myself, 'improved engine green' does actually look like a quite pleasant green. We obviously can't be sure but, given that it is quite common, affecting about one-in-fourteen European men in one way or another, it's credible to say that Stroudley was likely colourblind too. If so, it probably wouldn't have been a big issue for him, just as it isn't an issue for most of us today. It's quite possible that he wouldn't have known himself, even if people were asking him if he was sure about his paint!
This is pretty much my thought process. Statistics show that, worldwide, colourblindness in men is rather common. The world average is estimated to be 1 in 12 men are colourblind in some description, Stroudley colourblind is actually rather likely, and in my opinion, by far the most plausible suggestion.
@@creamwobbly If this one is the case, then Stroudley has become one of my favourite historical figures! I genuinely hope this is the case, because it is something I would probably do myself if I had the sort of relationship with my boss that would let me do this!
@@creamwobbly In 1969, the signature color available on the Pontiac GTO (note for those unfamiliar: a popular American muscle car) was called Carousel Red, but was so plainly orange that General Motors received tons of mail from puzzled or annoyed customers pointing out and/or complaining about the discrepancy. In response, the following model year's signature GTO color was Orbit Orange... ... which was yellow. :)
Feels a bit like the Emperor's New Clothes though - surely someone somewhere on the Highland or LBSCR must have said "But it's not green!" I suspect they knew really, but took pride in having a unique "green" rather than everyone else's run-of-the-mill greens. Footnote; when doing some excavation on railway land at Brighton Works around the 1930s, the surprised contractors found a huge mass of crude yellow ochre. (According to Hamilton Ellis). Also, the colour was retained on the Highland Railway (as seen on the preserved Jones Goods 4-6-0 of 20+ years later) but I don't think they maintained the fiction that it was green.
These are very nice little locomotives, and I've been coveting one ever since you posted the video on the one you purchased. I was able to convince the missus that it would make a nice Christmas train under the tree, so...with the addition of a few wagons a four-wheel coach, and a brake van, I am now the proud owner of my own little English branch line. 👍
Agreed, that would be excellent. I volunteer on the Kent and East Sussex Railway (built by Colonel Stevens) so let me know if I can help in any way Jago.
Col. Stephens! A byword for economy. Loads of railways could never have been built, never mind survived, without his vision and being careful with his money.
@@thomasburke2683 Plus the 1896 Light Railways Act. Economic downturn had encouraged the government to facilitate rural connections. Big saving on legal costs and infrastructure that the Colonel took full advantage of.
Colonel H.F. Stephens is worth at least 3 videos. His correspondence with the man in charge of the Ffestiniog Railway is almost operatic. Bleach and fleas, and a Welshman being as uncooperative as he could be.
Used to talk with old drivers on breaks. One said he used to fire M15 class ‘Gobblers’ through the north London line. Bow to Brick layers arm's. With 24 coal on, regular night job 50's. He said it was terrible in the tunnel, they would wrap scarf's round their faces.
I do love the Terriers. I've had the pleasure of working with the Kent & East Sussex Railway's pair for a time back in the late 2000s. Great locos, though a little awkward to fire with the limited footplate and small firebox door (the best locos to fire there were without a doubt No.1638 & Norwegian No.376) , but that's the closest to a negative that I would say about these brilliant engines.
One wonders how the firing was done on the commuter routes, I assume build a good fire in the station then run on little steam taking advantage of the gradients and hope for the best. I think the furthest they got beyond Dartford was one trip to Margate when no other loco available.
@@highpath4776 You can fire them just like any loco, they just require a little more skill than I had the few times I tried. Probably would also have help to use a narrower shovel, the one I used seemed almost as wide as the firebox door (it wasn't, but it did feel that way). Though any good fireman would natural use any downtime at a station to build up a good fire, as well as top up the water level in the boiler. The main issue they would have had on the commuter routes, as would any steam loco, is coal and water supplies. Water stops I would guess were factored into the timetables, but coal would be a more time consuming affair. If my memory serves the Terriers (specifically A1X's) would do a full day on the K&ESR, a couple of round trips along the 11 & 1/2 mile route, so 46 miles in total, on about half their bunker of coal. Now admittedly they would probably be working a lot harder on a commuter train, but I wouldn't be surprised if they could manage a good 70 miles on one bunker. I presume they would swap locos out occasionally at the termini, giving the crew time to re-coal before heading out again on the next train.
I remember 'Newington' parked outside the 'Hayling Billy' pub on Hayling Island for many years. It disappeared from there about ten years ago and I wondered where it went. Now I know. Thanks for the picture of a Terrier at Havant Station in the 1960's. For many years in the 1950's, I lived in Havant and we took frequent trips to Hayling Island on the 'Billy', especially when our aunt, uncle and cousins were on their summer holidays from London. The old wooden bridge at Langstone Harbour was always a joy to cross. I lost count of all the times I got smuts in my eyes, from sticking my head out the windows. I feel very sorry for the kids of today, who never got to experience such pleasures as travelling behind a steam train. I wish I had a Time Machine, to travel back to my happy childhood in the 1950's, but at least I still have the memories. Thanks very much for this trip down Memory Lane.
Ah, yes, smuts in the eyes, I remember those from both the Hayling Island line and the Isle of Wight as a small boy in the 1960s! Sadly it was the old wooden Langstone Harbour bridge that put paid to the line. It actually covered its operating expenses but not enough to repay the interest charges on a new bridge - a lesson of the importance for having funds for capital replacement which has been relevant for several organisations, including the local council.
A really informative (and not unentertaining) film, thank you! A couple of points: 1) I've also heard the exhaust beat of the 'Terrier''s likened to the pop of a champagne cork - it's more apparent when they're cruising under power. 2) The one that was tried on the Lyme Regis line didn't work out because, amazingly, it was too rigid for the twisting track - three London & South Western Railway Class 0415 tanks (better known as the 'Adams Radials') were deployed on that branch instead. 3) At least one 'Terrier' found its way into the Great Western Railway fleet, being part of the rag-tag fleet on the Weston, Clevedon & Portishead light railway in Somerset. Once again, thanks for the film and a Happy New Year to you!
Fun fact: No's 43 Gipsyhill and 53 Ashtead were sold to the Weston Cleavdon and Portishead Railway. In 1940, that railway went bust and the GWR took control of the 2 engines (Then renumbered 5 Portishead and 6) and they ended up under Western Region control in 1948. No 6 was withdrawn in January 1948 and no 5 Portishead lasted until March 1954 with its last duties being Pilot duties at Newton Abbot. I have seen 2 of the preserved Terriers. I saw Boxhill at York in the education centre and Stepney at Railfest 2012 at York (It was situated on the same line as SR Schools 4-4-0 no 925 Cheltenham).
I've seen one quote by a renowned railway writer (can't remember which one - might have been O.S.Nock) that when Stroudley first presented Waddon to the Directors in 1872, there was a complaint that passenger engines had always been painted green. Undaunted, he replied that this was 'improved engine green'.
Fascinating. I didn't know Stroudley had been at the Highland Railway before moving south. My HR and LB&SCR links are my paternal grandfather, who was an engine driver based at Eastbourne and may have driven a terrier, and two generations of my mother's family were respectively the Superintendent of the Line and the Engineer in Chief of the Highland Railway.
Wadden is such a unique little locomotive at the Canadian Railway Museum. However in recent years I have not seen her displayed and she appears to be stored
For some reason, British locos don't do too well in North American museums. I may be picking-up some biased journalism but every time I read about them, they're rotting away in the background, rather than commanding any prominent position on display. When the A4s revisited the UK a few years ago, I was rather surprised that they went back "across the pond." I hope I'm wrong but the impression I get from the railway press here is that these locos aren't really wanted by the museums in Canada and the U.S. Seems a shame.
@@2H80vids Sadly You are correct... the majority of the American and Canadian railfans I find do not appreciate British Steam (However there are a small few that do understand the importance of these British collections in North America). GOOD NEWS the Wadden is back on display again after a dusting! Also The two A4's are back in Canada and the USA fully repainted
@@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp That's good to hear William; sounds like things are changing for the better. I could never wrap my head round anyone, with an A4 in their collection, just letting it deteriorate. They're expensive toys but, as they're not running, they should be cheaper to maintain. A wee loco, like Wadden, could surely be restored to steam? There's plenty guys with experience of the Terriers, just not many of them in the U.S. or Canada.😁
I'll always remember them on the Havant-Hayling Island Line. The last day in normal service (Nov 1963) was a sad day for a lot of us. It is good that so many were preserved.
@@TankEngine75 Sorry, it was dismantled. I was in Hayling this morning by coincidence. (2 Jan 22). The old Langstone Bridge piers were almost submerged under a really high tide. Even in 2022, the line is remembered with a fondness by a lot of us old locals, and there are a lot of reminders of the Hayling Billy as it was known. The old goods shed at South Hayling is now a theatre. Billy Road is just next door. Langston(e) Halt has been obliterated and a Havant Station, the Hayling Branch side of the down platform is a car park.
@@tonywise198 Given that the only way on and off the island is a solitary road bridge, which is often impeded by traffic jams, it seems remarkably short-sighted to have closed the railway. If they could re-open it today I'm sure it would be packed with commuters. (OK, there is a ferry too, but I'm not sure if that has the same possibilities as a railway connection.)
great ideo, love a terrier. whitechapel at the spa valley railway is now named sutton (for those who didn't know) the original sutton was one of the first to be scrapped.
I have done a bit of cleaning and undoing on the ashpan of Sutton ( renamed as Sutton LB council sponsered it) , I Guess an engine called Tower Hamlets would be silly
As a former resident of Newhaven, I have seen many pictures of Fenchurch running around the harbour, across the river and even out to the lighthouse. They are "very useful" little engines.
I had the Ertl Stepney model as a child. Always loved the Reverend's stories, and thus Terriers have a place in my heart. Thank you so much for this New Year's delight!
We love an underdog that succeeds and the terriers certainly did that in excess, as for the pub sign, ohh my those must have been some substantial brackets it hung from ;)
Thomas ignited my love of steam. I had all the books and would make my Grandfather read them to me at bedtime. I love the fact that a tank engine will see 150 years with the boiler glowing, I hope they'll see 150 years more for the children who love Rev. W Awdry and his stories.
While I honestly appreciate your usual punning, 'so ends the reign of terrier' resulted in getting lemonade up my nose. Any idea how uncomfortable that is? Well played sir, well played.
That's correct - Newington was on permanent display outside the Hayling Billy pub for ages. I used to go past it on the way home from school. And there's an iconic picture of a silhouette of a terrier pulling a train over Hayling Bridge in the evening sun.
After a great many wonderful days spent as the fireman on these engines I can tell you they are a pleasure to work. They need constant attention as the boiler and firebox are small but take the airbrake off with a good fire they quickly reach a good speed. I miss them as I always thought the design was amazing. Mr Stroudley was indeed colour blind but kept it quiet.
The Terriers are among my fave Victorian-era steam locos, along with the LSWR 415 class (aka the Adams Radial), the Caledonian Railway/Great Northern Railway Singles, the Caledonian 652/812 class & the Highland Railway Jones Goods. My nerdy train-loving heart loved every second of this; looking forward to more like it. :) 4:30 That, and the fact that confusion with the LNER A1s would no doubt reign lol
Waddon also helped build the Sheppey Light Railway on the Isle of Sheppey just 50 miles from London. I grew up on the island (but managed to escape when I was 17!) I recreated the SLR in DoveTailGames (also based in Kent) Train Simulator. You mentioned branching further afield (pun intended) and would love to see you do an episode on the SLR, and can even recommend several books to help you.
Excellent video, do love the terriers. I'm a volunteer at the Isle of Wight steam railway and have helped work on the 2 we have. We also had the pleasure if having knowle over in the summer of 2021. Its first time back on the island since it left in 1936!
I worked on the Bluebell railway on Terriers in the past, in the workshops. There are several good reasons why these have been so successful and so long lived. When you have a machine that was of sound original design and remains useful and economic for service, even if that service is in a different place for a different owner dong a different job, it makes sense to keep it going with repeated heavy maintenance and parts renewal. Steam engines are relatively simple pieces of kit and can be maintained by any reasonably skilled mechanical technicians, even those who were born long after steam disappeared from the main line and learned their skills on cranes, tractors, cars or aircraft. And the simplicity is such that one person of a good experience level can understand and maintain all the parts. Not like a diesel loco that requires an engine specialist, an electrical power specialist and an instrumentation and control specialist. It is an inescapable fact that many parts of a steam engine have a limited life. One of the things that troubles me is whether you can call these "150 year old engines and still going strong". Take our P-class no 22 at Bluebell, the current rebuild involves complete new frames (easier than repairing the originals), new cylinder blocks and all new side tanks. One day, the only remaining original part of the boiler (the shell) will have to be replaced (firebox and tubes having been replaced multiple times!). Much of the plate-work has been replaced over the years as well. eg coal bunker, cab sides etc. Is it still a 150 year old engine? In point of fact it is essentially mainly a new build engine, adorned by some 150 year old ancillaries (wheels, rods, steam fittings and that's about it). No criticism of the boys on the team doing this, they have done magnificently. If we are to continue to run these engines, which people want to see running, then these replacements are inevitable, because a collection of life expired parts can only be a static exhibit. We all want to run these engines and see them running and they provide a real economic role as a tourist business that employs many people. But it concerns me that in doing so, we have destroyed most of the original historical artefact and this process will continue until there is literally nothing left from any of the original engines except the design. Should we be worried about this? Does anyone care about this point?
Another thought, I several times had the pleasure of driving a 1/12 scale "live steam" terrier on a friend's garden railway. Even in this scale, the design proved to be quite remarkable. Compared to other much larger engines that we drove on the same railway, it had an acceleration and turn of speed that was quite out of proportion to its size. And it was easy to fire, quite forgiving compared to other engines (bearing in mind that in miniature you have to drive AND fire as well, and being a smaller fire things change more quickly - so it's more demanding than in full size!). This apparent scalability seems to show that Stroudley got the proportions just about right with these locos, balancing all the major design factors (boiler size, heating area, grate size, cylinder size, wheel size etc) just around a "sweet spot". Even the most renowned loco designers didn't have success with all their designs, so I think there is a significant element of chance as well as skill in getting the right balance in steam loco design.
Love the Terrier, there's one in steam at Bressingham up here in the wilds of Norfolk. The Great Eastern's J15 (yeah, the LNER classification) is another of my favourite locomotives.
I am not a train person, but I have really enjoyed learning about the History of London and the UK through the lens of the transport networks and their trials and tribulations. This is all great stuff. Keep up the great work!
Being a Southerner I saw a lot of Terriers over the years, especially coming from Portsmouth; my parents took me on the Hayling Island line before it closed when I was 3. This is a great overall history. Loved the various explanations for Stroudley's Improved Engine Green; always a LOL moment in a Jago video! Are the pictures of Knowle (2678) visiting Didcot Railway Centre rather than at its KESR home? Hadn't realised that the IoW examples received extended coal bunkers, like the LSWR O2s that followed them; it looked like a couple of video shots were taken on the Havenstreet line, where they run paired with similarly elderly coaches. The innate quality and versatility of the Terriers is shown by how many survived into the 1960s and therefore were available for preservation.
But the survival of half the class of SECR P class locos (4 out of 8) isn't necessarily a testament to their quality, possibly just because they are small and more convenient for preservation. I'm glad that there are examples of both classes around still.
@@MrDavil43 Very fair point. They were also newer, and, like a significant number of old Southern locos, survived just because they had nothing better available for light duties. Ironically the Ps and Adams 4-4-2T are now regarded as too small to be useful on the Bluebell, or other preserved railways running BR Mk1 coaches.
My favourite Terrier is No. 661 Sutton, obviously because it’s where i live. There is a lively mural of it along the road bridge over the railway at Sutton station
when you said "War Services" I imagined those trains having a gun mounted. lol. It took me a minute to realize that "War Services" probably just mean bringing war cargo, not actually participating in a wars with gun mounted and blazing
Waddon sits in the shed at Delson (Canadian National Railway Museum) it was cosmetically restored by members of the British Model Railway Modelers about 10 years ago. Regretfully it sits in the shed along with the magnificently restored A4 Dominion of Canada. Great video, thanks.
My friend who is a volunteer at Delson (Montreal) is a member there with sole function of keeping Wsddon clean. He tells me the manufacture plate is 1875. So in three years it will be a 150 years old. That makes it the oldest exhibit in the museum.
On the subject of heritage railways, I remember reading a while ago about one that had recently acquired a first-generation diesel-electric locomotive, and I love the idea of what constitutes "heritage" advancing like that. It tickles me to think of some enthusiast historical railway in the year 2080, gleefully unveiling its newly acquired ex-LNER Azuma.
Quality endures. I have spent 4 years on the Wairarapa Line,,,100 km from Wellington to Masterton, where now almost all the Mk 2 carriages are of the type with large windows, power points for every seat, plenty of proper tables and excellent lighting in 3 levels,,,but Still no coffee machine. After re-gauging and other improvements the carriages are perfectly comfortable rarely getting much over 80 km/hr. So after almost 50 years, they just keep on keeping on. The re-upholstering in the past two years has made them so attractive, mainly in a bright blue with patterning.
@@neville132bbk Thanks, hadn't realised about the BR Mk2s going to NZ and have just been looking up the details. I always liked travelling on them in the UK with the comfortable seats, big windows and tables. Great to hear that they are still going strong with further improvements, and hopefully lots of other passengers feel the same and traffic is growing. I missed out on the Masterton line in my travels to NZ - maybe some day.
As a Canuck I was surprised to hear the phrase 'Canadian Railway Museum'; while we have several such places, I knew of none by that name. Looking it up I realized it's the 'Musée ferroviaire canadien' or 'Exporail' to its friends, on the south shore of the St. Lawrence in the Montreal suburbs.
Terries are such iconic little engines. In this film I notice not only Stepney featured, but also a brief shot of Schools Class Repton. Both of these still regularly run around our spare room in 00 scale. At 9:41, Havant Station looks so impressive. Then it had two separate level crossings operated from one signal box, sidings, the Hayling line terminus and four mainlines plus sidings etc. The last time I saw it, it looked pathetic with just two lines, one for each platform and a great expanse of waste ground between them. All the other lines etc are long gone. Traffic on and off Hayling Island since the 1980's s is so bad that you can't help thinking that yet again Beaching was wrong.
I have a greater love for E2s and Brighton Atlantics, but I still can’t get enough of Terriers. I’ve built one in Lego in LSWR mint and chocolate, and am working on another in Marsh Umber.
Jago - once again, I thank you for your sympathetic presentation about a railway subject. You mention the Lyme Regis railway, which was the subject of a full-length article in the magnificent magazine Backtrack. The article pointed out several challenges facing the line. One wonders which was the most fearsome challenge. It had to run in an L-shape to avoid a hilly section. It faced competition from private cars and coaches. How it got past the share-holders and investors is anyone's guess. Surely worst of all, as the article points out, the first train in the morning was around 5.30 am: if you wanted to get it fired up and running on time, you had to set your alarm for 3am!!! Not me, Sir! Again, many thanks, Jago.
Just as point of note -- trains pulling old 'Dreadnought' style coaches can be occasionally (very occasionally!!) seen running in and out of either Waterloo, Liverpool street, or past tottenham hale and beyond, I am based closer to central london so i dont know how far these carriages go when they are in service. Ive had the opportunity to ride on them two or three times over the years to and from work and also college. If my memory serves me correctly they only seem to appear during the colder months. Most of my commuting is now done most by bicycle since 2016 so Im unaware if they still get the old carriages out during the winter periods. but they are definitely a sight to be seen as well as experienced when they are in service.
Very similar to the New Zealand "F" class that lasted from 1873 until the end of steam. That happy AW/TE ratio combined with route availability and simplicity. Ideal for frontline service, secondary service, lightweight wharves and bridges, yard work, workshop work, private industry, and preservation. In many ways these little 0-6-0s were and are the perfect locomotive.
Love Steam.. My father, who died in 2021 spent some years after WW2 working at the Bricklayers Arms Depot. Some perimeter buildings remain, but you would be hard pressed to know it was ever there.. Progress I suppose.
One of my all time favourite locos. I first saw one in the late 1960s onthe Bluebell Railway, it was Stepney built in 1972. Interesting names and I never knew about the name Rooters,this name means something else in Australia,ie in retain it would be like calling it shaggers
Fancy doing a video on the J71/J72? They had amazing longevity and were built over a vast time period with only minor modifications. Only one was preserved, which is a great shame. That one worked for a time on the Derwent Valley Railway which is a fascinating line in its own right, never grouped or nationalised and surviving until 1981.
My boyfriend overhearing a fraction of this video: "oh! Firemen still do that today! That's how you get your training, cleaning the engines" ... he thought I was watching a video about fire engines and ya know... fire fighters. Honestly he should know me better after 4 years 😂
Same here: On my birth certificate (1965) under ‘Father’s occupation’ it says ‘Fireman (British Railways)’. All my life when people have seen it I’ve had to explain ‘No, not THAT type of fireman!’
These engines of course worked on the Underground, I have an image of "Cheam" taken at Shoreditch. There was one occasion when a District Railway loco failed with a burst tube at New Cross (Gate). A terrier worked its train to Earls Court, and the LBSCR men at New Cross loco blanked off the tube, so that the District engine could get back to Lillie Bridge under its own steam.
You've done it again, Mr H. Delivered a fascinating tribute to a little-know part of history. I find it interesting that Brighton - a town I associate with gentile living - should have had a locomotive works. Perhaps there's scope for a piece one day. And what about Seven Dials, which is an area of central London with a, shall we say, interesting history that apparently includes the Bow Street Runners. There you are, Mr H, never let it be said that we take without giving back. Thanks, Simon T
Of the 20,000 locos on British railways in 1900, a third were 0-6-0s. The zenith of the type (or nadir depending on your aesthetic preferences) was the Q1 Austerity of WW2. Maybe worth a programme of its own.
oh my god, Hazzard - this is magnificent - you've outdone yourself - beautifully selected & shot pieces tied together with your inimitable rail-stock know-how. 10:46 checking this immediately. thank you !
Another topic close to my heart and this time close to me physically also as I live in Wootton on the Isle of Wight which has one terminus of the Isle of Wight Steam Railway in it. This means Brighton/Newport and Newington/Freshwater are often close by and can be heard in most of the village when sounding their whistles prior to departure. Currently only Newport is in steam, Freshwater being dismantled for overhaul. I had the chance to get up close to her last year when as a guest to the railways jubilee bash we were allowed the rare treat of actually going into the workshops (health and safety be damned!) and allowed to poke around a bit. I think they may have planned this as we were all in suits so didn't get to close to anything oily! Newport is still in steam and can be seen in service. With the eventfulness of her life it is remarkable that she has actually spent 95 of her 144 years on the island. Freshwater is the older of the pair and turns 145 officially in six days time on the 8th of this month. She was one of the two mentioned by Jago as sold to the LWSR in 1903. Later they sold her on to the Freshwater, Yarmouth and Newport Railway in 1913. This was good business from the LWSR as they had bought the Terrier for £600 from the LBSCR and sold her, ten years later to the FYNR for £900! They also managed to get six months rental out of the deal. In fairness they had given her a new boiler while in their ownership. The FYNR were never the most financially competent of people and I'd be surprised in the LWSR ever got all their money. Freshwater also has the distinction of having had three distinct boiler types, the original A1, the Drummond style fitted by the LWSR and then when this was life expired she was upgraded to an A1x boiler at Ryde Works by the Southern Railway. She was then given another new boiler while in preservation by IWSR around the turn of the century, this costing £35,000. Freshwater is due back in steam this year ready for the Terrier 150th celebrations and has spent 79 of her years on the island. The IWSR also has the only surviving LWSR Adams O2 class W24 Calbourne so you'll have to make a visit if you want to do a video on that one Jago! As a shameless plug here is a video on Whippingham Station (the next up the line from Wootton that I did a year ago. The quality is average at best but it contains some interesting information: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bTO73tLnmNY.html
My son and I had a really enjoyable day on the IOW Steam Railway last July: there were a lot of 'suits' present...... I wonder. One of the locos in service that day was an Austerity 0-6-0ST class: apt as my son fired one a few times last year as a volunteer on the Lincolnshire Wolds Railway. As there was no serviceable steam locos available at the time, they loaned one from the Appleby Frodingham Railway.
Love these little locos - as a kid (who am I kidding, as an adult too!), I was always happy to go to the Bluebell and see Stepney, the bluebell engine! Long live the reign of terrier!
"...or the equivalent in metric..." Jago acknowledges that the French do things differently (Powers of 10? Weirdos), but declines to lower himself to their level.
What units are those? I'm aware of Pascal and it's variants but haven't heard of a log pressure scale outside of measuring sound waves. Would be a useful unit for measuring vacuum.
@@henrybest4057 If the US: Short Tons. Long Tons (aka, Admiralty Tons) are a chiefly British thing... and the third kind of "Ton" is just some french fancy, best left to itself.
Another tasty treat, Jago. Thank you. One of my most endearing memories of my train spotting adventures at the end of the steam age was a trip to Eastleigh shed, Hampshire, in 1961. The sight of an A1X buffered up to the tender of a Bulleid Merchant Navy made me giggle. Little and Large.It seemed a miracle that the buffers could be designed to be of matching height and width. John
I only have a small train set 4' x 4' in a modest sized home which I set up from time to time. Terriers are perfect for this pulling 4 wheel coaches. Own 4 in different liveries. GWR my fav. In late Victorian/ Edwardian times must have been a flash of local colourful pride in a drab , and for most impoverished world.
A fine tribute to the “Terrier” class engines. I was pleased to see a photograph of a Terrier at Brighton Station with the locomotive works in the background. The works had been important in the past, for locomotive building, war work and locomotive design for British Railways. But in the 1960s, it became an empty shell, and was blown up while I was a student (the winter of 1969/70).
Hi Jago and a Happy New Year from Spain. Another very interesting video. I first went onto a loco footplate at the age of 7 (1948) and that was a Ministry of Supply/War Department 0-6-0 saddle tank on what was also called the Shoeburyness Military Tramway.
But since part of it collapsed as the demolition contractors tried to dismantle it, maybe it pays not to listen to bitter old spotters snd armchair rail experts....🤷♂️
One of the problems with paintwork was that they'd all been painted black in WW2 and the British Railways nationalisation utility years afterwards, and the photos were none too clear, and in black and white. The NRM Terrier was actually lined out by Freddie Hambleton, a schoolteacher in nearby Dulwich (the NRM was in Clapham in those days), who'd crewed in the interwar years. He is also remembered as a heritage Sussex Maypole folk-dancer!
Great film - thanks Jago. I visited the IOW Steam Railway in the Summer of 2021, for their Terrier Tank weekend. If you haven't been before, I'd highly recommend it :)
Excellent, as always. As a relatively new follower to your channel, thank you for the insight you provided during 2021. As a lapsed Englishman, I love catching up on aspects of local railway lore. Hippie New Year and look forward to lots of interesting new content to come.
Hi Jago, a little more info about William Stroudley's terriers, Nos 43 "Gypsy Hill" and 53 "Ashstead" were purchased by Holeman Fred Stephens for use on the "Western, Clevedon & Portishead Railway", these engines became under G.W.R ownership as No's 4 and 5 when that line had closed in 1940
Improved Engine Green... another theory is that the pigments in the old green paint darkened and shifted towards blue. Stroudley's IEG was more stable than the usual green painted engines.
