Stephen A. & Mad Dog go at it debating if Ja Morant could be the next Allen Iverson 🗣 | First Take 

What if Monte Ellis was 6'6 ?? That boy was a scoring machine too

@@king-ghost1027 lay off the weed

@@newworldlastdays Nahh you lay off that coke

@@newworldlastdays Monte was a beast dude you're tripping,, he can score anyway with any kind of move to knock u off your balance

@@newworldlastdays he was quick af just like ai and ja

Definitely didnt

@Jim Brave but who made it so infamous to where it had to be banned to wear "urban gear" before games HE DID! he added the hip hop culture to the game more than any player before him, add to the fact that he was small fearless guard made him more admirable.

Facts!

@Jim Brave Luckily no ones cares what you think. Stern did go authoritarian though, don't forget what Phil Jackson said either when he implemented the dress code rule either.

@Jim Brave bro even the players say Iverson changed the culture 🤷🏽‍♂️

LMAOOOO

Stephen A is the uncle that can handle his beer better in this scenario😂

*coked up uncles

What mad dog said in this segment was just stupid

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No. The early 2000 issue was not defense. It was hero ball that Kobe ushered in. That’s where the inefficiency comes from.

Facts

2000s defense is statistically the toughest era defensively. Yes, there was also hero ball, but the way the defense was played; you needed a star scorer to break the ice and create their own shot. Because not every team was constructed and coached like the Spurs, Pistons or Suns. That’s why Kobe T Mac Pierce and A.I. was given the green light to say f**k it.

Nobody was efficient back then

@@ScoutsHonor. you mean jordan. That's the player he modeled his game after

HE DOES!!

He even looks and sounds a little like Skip

And that's why he was hired... Stephen A ain't letting go of his first love...,😝

Yea they’re the same haha

@@atayal17 mad dog was skip before skip. Skip stole his style

Right

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He was just trolling stephen A

thats because Ja makes the people around him better & Ja is literally every year getting better & better ja has the means to have a mvp & a scoring champ & Ja is leading the league with points in the paint as a point guard

I agree. Nowadays these guys just say anything. They must've forgotten that AI was one of the faces of the league. He accomplished that while Kobe, Shaq, Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, Steve Nash, Dirk nowitzki, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, and many other elite players were in their primes. Most of these so called "stars" today would barely make the All Star team if they had to play with those players I named. The level of disrespect to Allen Iverson is horrendous. Now the media gets to take their shots at him because he's retired.

@@princecheck11 Iverson led the league in scoring 4 times while Kobe and Shaq and many other HOF legends were in the league. Iverson was a small 2 guard, and Eric Snow played the point. His job wasn't to distribute the ball, just like it's not Luka's responsibility. Iverson wasn't a point guard, regardless of his size.

Well said!!

Was a huge ai fan, but transcendent with 0 rings? We know he didn't affect the defensive side of the ball. He's a great and loved, but transcendent is being disrespectful to those in the upper echelon

@@BDO97 the man literally changed the culture of the NBA as a whole. Those outfits you’re seeing now IS due to A.I being himself when the league was trying to cancel him.

@@Vondad2004 I’m talking strictly basketball, cause when we speak of the greats that all we talk about, not their off the court impacts. No one mentions brons I promise school or Jordan gambling issues in basketball debate

@@Vondad2004 How would they cancel one of their biggest stars? They changed their dress code cause of him yes but he's the most influential star ever.

@@BDO97 he changed the craft of basketball in how a PG played. You wouldn’t have a Ja without A.I. His way of playing changed the paradigm as much as Jordan did. Yes he didn’t get any rings but there are many high level players who didn’t win rings who were influential. Iverson changed how players played. Don’t ask me, look at those he influenced.

@@mrgetitdone85 lebron did it in 2018

that’s just bad cause he plays 40mpg and is inefficient

@@lukadahmer8249 hard to be super efficient when you're 6'0

@@jeremiahsmith7706 He was 5'10 and still carried his team to the finals during a more physical era. Lebron is a better player but AI is an Icon

@@jeremiahsmith7706 cp3, lowry are 6’0 and efficient

Agreed!

He had no team and carried them to the finals. I'm surprised they won they won the one game in the finals. The man is a legend and every kid wanted to be like Iverson, Mike was an afterthought when AI came into the league. I don't want to compare him to Iverson, because he's not, but Tyrese Maxey is scoring from angles that nobody's ever seen before too. He's becoming Plastic Man 2.0 (Randall Cunningham throwing it from stupidly contorted angles) of basketball.

@Block Bully Records bro Ja better defender better rebounder better skillful better passer he would make any S***** player better around him than Ai do understand. I Knew Ai is a great and HOF and selfish because he is better shooter. Ja very unique

@@BythemercyofGodAllah Nick Fifis said it the best...Michael Jordan became an afterthought when AI was at his peak. Yes! This man was impeccable and transcendent, I can tell from your reply that you did not grow up watching the NBA in that era so you feel they are comparable but they are NOT. Ja is his own beast, reminds me of Derrick Rose more than AI. Ja Morant will never surpass Allen Iverson's star power, the man was a global mogul.

@@newman824 please don't tell me 1996 chicago bulls will beat golden state + KD in their era. I absolutely would say u don't understand basketball even though I knew how great was Jordan.

Thank you ! Ppl sleeping on Iverson and it blows me

Folks forget Iverson faced double and triple teams nightly. He accomplished what he did while every team in the NBA knew he was the sole focal point to the Sixers squad. When he went into the paint he wasn't facing 6'9" centers and hybrid PFs. He was facing true PFs and Centers, and he went to the paint with reckless abandon. Iverson in many eyes was seen as one of the best players if not top 2 for a great part of his career. And his era had all time legends in their primes. I can name at least 15 HOF players in their prime while Iverson was playing. This era would be hard pressed to find 10 HOF players who won't get in on trumped up stats. And a few of them played when Iverson was playing, like Lebron, Melo, Chris Paul, and Dwight Howard.

Who did Iverson beat to get to the finals? Ja out dueled to make the playoffs. Beating Stephanie is already more impressive than anybody iverson beat to make the finals

@@GetGr8 How? That Warriors team was a 8th seed, and Curry is overrated as an individual player. He can shoot, but he's proven he can't carry a team. If Curry was on the Magic they'd still be terrible. All you ever hear with Curry is wait until Klay gets back. Just face it the media has you fooled.

@@GetGr8 he beat a Vince Carter raptor squad and he beat a very overlooked Milwaukee bucks squad with ray allen, Sam Cassel and glen Robinson.

A winner, no. Good player for his size , yes.

what he win

@@Arezz10 bruh, look it up.

@@Arezz10 everything except an NBA chip lol

@lord martin overrated a mf f

its like disgusting 🤣

Yeah dude is high or something!! There will never be another Iverson. A.I. Is the 🐐🐐💯💯

And then what happened after that ONE season?

it’s because they had Shaq. They could match the Lakers, if it was just Kobe, but Shaq was the difference maker. And he made up a huge difference

@@purplestate he had many more amazing years after that, what are you tryna say?! 🤣🧐

@@armanc25 he took his team to the finals again?

The only other player I've seen singlehandedly carry as much dead weight to a Finals as AI, was Lebron in 2007. I don't care what anyone says, even if you replaced AI with Jordan, he wasn't beating Shaq's 2001 Lakers with those Sixers...And if Jordan played instead of Lebron, he would've lost to that 2007 Duncan /Parker Spurs juggernaut that dominated The Cavs.

And that’s all that need to be said

Not really built? Isiah Thomas, Mugsy, spud? Tough.

Stay away from the drugs.

@@abucket1_778 isiah thomas way better than Iverson.

@@chemistryphysics716 he means height wise

Obviously some of you all have no cognition to even understand or begin to know what I am even talking about.

He shot 43%. Sounds like he was guardable.

Most of us younger people know, I'm 23 and fully know the legend.

@@jonathansykes4986 He faced double and triple teams nightly. He also didn't play in a watered down league. I can name at least 30 ALL TIME GREATS who played in Iverson's era. There are basically none in this era except for guys who played when Iverson was playing like Lebron, KD, and Chris Paul. Maybe Steph, and possibly a guy like Luka down the road could get there, but the rest of this league is nowhere near legendary. This league is close to trash, which is why they had to add play in tourneys and possibly will add a mid season tourney.

@@jonathansykes4986 43% is really good if you ask me.

@@jonathansykes4986 43% in the handcheck/hard foul era isnt too bad

I hate when they try to compare people to all time greats then next season if it don’t turn out then they give that same person backlash

@@Officialfromthe3 is Iverson an all time great? there's only so many all time greats. I would say Iverson is not an all time great

@@RL-ww5ev u crazy

@@RL-ww5ev yes he's a alltime great ! He's not top 10 but he's definitely top 20 all-time

I’m tired of it

allen iverson fans only talk about his 2001 season

@@ivanzrno1765 He had other good seasons but that season stood out the most with the way he carried the team. I feel regarding shooting & efficiency it’s hard to determine at times based on era, system, offensive philosophy and coaching. I feel even the best shooter ever would struggle to make shots or 3s with a squad like A.I had in 01 cause the roster has nobody that has gravity to pull defenders away from you. Even a dominating big that dominates the paint like a Shaq would struggle probably to shoot 50%, he might shoot 48% or 49% with him finishing through so much traffic in the paint. Everybody talks about that 01 run cause A.I had the most success that year. Iverson never had talent around him like that. Mutombo wasn’t a scorer, he was just a defender & rebounder. And Iverson had a washed up Chris Webber who came off a torn ACL. Only talent he had was in Denver when he had Melo but only played 1 and a half seasons with Melo

@@anthonycelestin3559 i agree with you until the shaq point no one is stopping shaq at 48% lol shaq could dunk with 5 people coming at him , the only reason he didn't avg 80% was because if he tried to bully too much he would get called for offensive fouls and will be on foul trouble in important games no one is gonna stop shaq at 48% doesn't matter who you throw unless its wilt hakeem , kareem mark eaton Mutombo all going at him together.

@@hindolbanerjee42 That’s not an easy task for any player to be very efficient with no spacing at all. Shaq had playoff series where he shot below 50% & even had a series where he shot below 45%. In the 02 WCSF vs the Spurs Shaq shot 44.7% from the field. With the grueling season of the regular with the opposing teams constantly packing the paint, getting shots around the basket even when your close to the rim is a hard task

Different game played a very different way which is why it doens`t make sense to try to compare players across era`s in terms of stats. You are talking about an era in which two big`s actually played in the paint, 3 to 4 guys played inside the 3 point line the entire possession, you could chip and hard hedge cutters and they didn`t put offensive players on the line because someone looked at them incorrectly while they were dribbling. You are talking about an era where there were to be a great scorer you were going to have to make a lot of contested two point jump shots. In today`s game because of rules and style of play guys are able to put up 25 a season without having to develop into 3 level scorers. 3`s layups and free throws.

Facts,, ja haven't won anything yet, & he said he's better than ai already lmao,, this is only ja 3rd year

Ja way better to build a time around if they started their career today.

I knoe right

@@BythemercyofGodAllah No hes not ja started with good young players everyone around AI was old asf. The youngest dude they had was Larry Hughes he was always hurt the second youngest was Eric snow who couldn't dribble or shoot at all

Ai and Ja are in the same boat...all star, rookie of the year, and no rings. Not like its gonna take much to surpass AI lol

Great run but it was a fluke

He won one game let's not get carry away lol

@@leonarddoeman735 no one else in the playoffs won one game lol

Yea that's true but they both need to let one another talk instead of yelling at the same time like some little girls lol

That’s because Stephen A. is normally the one with the questionable takes, but when Mad Dog is on spewing his nonsense as he does every time he’s on, it makes Stephen A. sound like a genius. That’s why ESPN hired Mad Dog 😂

I agree mad dog can dish it too

🥱Wake me up when max is back

@@patrickpitamber dish what, bad takes? So far all the clips I've seen of his on the show are irritating

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Mans had Eric snow Aaron mckie George lynch Dikembe mutumbo Tyrone hill Etc. Lmaooo

@@king-ghost1027 bruh how tf Eric snow played so long tho???🤨🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@king-ghost1027 You're naming those guys like they were Hall of Famers lol. Only one of them got it tho but don't act like they were superstars.

@@jmcgee39 Nooooo dumdum I'm naming them to show ppl how much trash his team was ,, plz read better

@@king-ghost1027 that sounds like an offensive handicapped team 🤣🤣🤣

@Block Bully Records bro Ja better defender better rebounder better skillful better passer he would make any S***** player better around him than Ai do understand. I Knew Ai is a great and HOF and selfish because he is better shooter. Ja very unique

@@BythemercyofGodAllah but it’s the era. Morant gets to play in an open court pace n space small ball style whereas AI was confined in a half court offense and had to deal with more physicality and size etc w defenders

@@jakeoberhand3893 I am so sorry to say this because I don't believe in any era If Ai Plays in this era he will still be the same . He is only better shooter than Ja. Ja better in everything else and can play in any era. They said in there era were very aggressive our players can play aggressive but not allowed.

Iverson was a chucker and i hated watching him back in the days.

Don’t sleep on his career 6+ assists per game, either. Could that have been higher if he wasn’t passing to Tyrone Hill and Aaron McKie? Probably…

Lbj brought the worst team to the finals the first cavs

He’s not even a top 10 scorer. The team he brought to the finals was a top 5 defense with Mutumbo at C. Averaging 31 on 25 shots a game means he was the teams only offense not that he’s a great scorer.

@@moneymoney3235 the 76ers went to the finals and AI took them there. He had straight bums on his team. Iverson still the most impressive for leading a squad to the finals that wasn’t supposed to be there

@@Ac3Badger he's top 10. You smoking if you think he's not.

He’ll never do what Iverson did. He has a way better team than Iverson ever had and is taller than Iverson. He has advantages

Ja would never b better iverson if they no iverson I don’t think ja would be playing ball

@@goldenokoko3211 That makes 0 sense 😂😂😂

@@1zzyduzit You don’t know that

Stop man. This his first great year. He is great but his name doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as ai yet

How you know ? Career just getting started

It’s not about who did what for the game culturally we are talking just game efficiency winning basketball games and lastly the only thing AI has over JA is handles and his street ball type attitude and when it’s all said and done we ll say ja was a better player

not to mention Iverson averaged 23 ppg his rookie year, not 17 like ja.

@@brandonhayes8364Ja Morant and AI comparison doesn’t sound crazy like ppl make it seem and so what that he avg 17 ppg in his rookie year. Most basketball critics dont care about rookie numbers

He wasn't transcendent on the court, only off the court with his whole hip-hop thug wannabe culture.

@@QuestionEverything562 lol. If you only knew how wrong you are. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@skylarblaze636 If only you knew how much a blind AI fanboy you are lmao....

He definitely lost to Stephen A. By a LANDSLIDE

Too much tbh, a lot of AI fan boys out there, but he's #1.

Iverson was transcendent from a cultural perspective. He brought the hip hop culture to the NBA, but I would expect reporters who are unfamiliar with the culture to recognize that.

@Jim Brave who was he gonna pass to? He was the only one trying and capable of carrying the team

@Jim Brave ???? Pop quiz. Who in the world was he gonna pass it to on a consistent basis where the could of beaten the lakers?

0 rings

@Jim Brave Spoken like someone who's not in tune with that culture either. However you've already shown through previous comments that your NBA knowledge is limited.

5'10 SG even more undersized than we realize

these young idiots think ja has a higher change to be better than Ai based on one season. AI in his 3rd season won leading scorer and didn't need an important award like ja morant going to win a title with grizzles

Facts swept Duncan and Robinson, C Webb, and Sheed lmao getting a w against them was honestly good enough for AI

The Lakers swept the Portland Trailer Blazers, and swept Spurs the #1 seed. The only lost they had was to 70Sixers, who had no business in the finals. Iverson won MVP AND 4 scoring titles where i don't see Ja capturing with the likes of Luka, Embiid, Jokic and Giannis all under 30 and dominating the next decade.

Realistically the Lakers didn't take the 76ers serious. Great game for Iverson tho

Ja Morant would've been a TJ Ford level player in that era. Folks forget that the era and level of competition matters. It's much easier to score on CJ McCollum than it is to score on Kobe Bryant. That has to be factored in. Iverson was in murderer's row of competition and talent. Ja isn't. Teams go out of their way to tank now. That's why a guy like Chris Paul in year 16 is still one of the best in the game, because this era is child's play to him. In his prime he had to be all time to score 35 points. Now he can do that in the playoffs with a fractured hand. Paul George is one of the top guys in this era, in the previous era he came off the bench. So did Kyle Lowry.

Shaq n kobe was gonna be undefeated that post season until Allen iverson showed up

💯💯💯

Good argument but idk bro he got time time in his hands

If Morant stays in Memphis his whole career his impact might not be as great, but as a player he will surpass A I. His emergence has taken the league by storm.

@@mr.anderson3694 He will NEVER surpass Iverson. His era isn't even close to comparable. Stats don't tell the story, so his trumped up stats against weak point and 2 guards isn't the same as dealing with Kobe, McGrady, Steve Francis, Marbury, Tony Parker, Baron Davis, Vince Carter, Gary Payton, etc, etc.. I can go on with legendary names, Morant isn't facing that level of comp. So he's never gonna surpass Iverson, just like Lebron will never pass Jordan.

@@Paul.Burrell Iverson was a great player, but his career didn't end on a great note because he wouldn't come off the bench for a contender. Morant has age on his side and the same kind of talent you can't teach. Where he has brought Memphis in the span of a year is amazing. Plus when he does enter free agency he's going to get scores of offers from teams competing for his services. Unless he suffers a major injury there's no doubt he can and will surpass Iverson.

@@mr.anderson3694 He can't. Morant will never be an icon. Iverson was bigger than Curry and I doubt Morant will surpass Curry. Iverson was hated by the media and refs. But the true fans and the actual players of this game respect him immensely. If Morant was playing in Iverson's era he would barely be TJ Ford. More like a Brandon Jennings level player.

No one,, not even JA MORANT

I aint even mentioned iggy or chris webber, or melo , jr, and kenyon martin .....

@@BenFrankMadeThis808 those were his Nuggets days. I was saying his 76ers days when he went to the finals. The only person I can remember after Mutombo is Raja Bell which isn’t saying much

@@certification_papi4259 he had Iggy and Weber in Philly

@@certification_papi4259 i just told u lol the mvp, dpoy, and sixth man of the year all on one team in 2001.....................

I was thinking the same thing, Morant gotta take the grizzlies to the finals at least one time to be considered on A.I.’s level. If Ja can take a team like the grizzlies which don’t have any real superstars on it besides himself to the finals. Then he’s def in the conversation.

Exactly 💯,, ai carried that trash to the FINALS

Ja got a couple high scoring point totals this season and mad dog already overrating that young man

@@king-ghost1027 thats only one season AI being doing that season he was a rookie. JA still got to alteast tmac level (consistent top 5 player )before you even compare him AI ja morant not even better than trey young lol