Stephen A. vs. Perk: Has LeBron James faced a tougher road than Michael Jordan? | First Take 

Lmao

Fr 😭😭😭💯

So having a conversation with about Lebron & Jordan with 2 men who are the biggest fans of each is supposed to not be bias? Lmao ok

@@hollywoode82 Stephen a doesn’t seem very biased tbh

@@hollywoode82 because when your a fan of someone and are presented with actual facts that rebuttal your statements of said player or individual it just shows your ignorance and stupidity. We all know ESPN posts these vids especially when it comes to Stephen A and Perk talking about MJ and Lebron for clicks so i use that opportunity to comment on Perks fandom for LJ no matter how much facts and reality are brought to him to dispute what he praises James for lol

@Austin LaVigne wrong! Handchecking was removed during that time. The nba has become a joke .

@@franciscoguzman1065 check the average PPG playa. Handchecking is not a sign of good defense. Moving your feet, anticipation, effort and schemes are

@@austinlavigne3977 wrong dude. The league es s’more physical during the 80s and 90s. It’s not even close .

@@austinlavigne3977 statistics don’t mean anything .

No they didn't bro lol

I think this is so overlooked. Outside of that 2 year hiatus and17 game season when he was rusty, nobody ate on Mike's watch... Why do we act like he played bad teams when he has beaten more Hall of Famers in the playoffs than Lebron?

So can’t we just use both arguments either way we want? Instead of saying how tainted their legacies are we can say that he never played anyone in the finals that won anything outside of magic. Shows how weak his competition. Both arguments could be used either way we want.

If nobody ate why he got 6 rings out of 17 years so 11 teams won right? Stupid argument

@@pjwright3773 your argument speaks to the parity of the nba at the time Jordan played in the strongest conference at the time and the west was always a crapshoot because of said parity the league was extremely predictable by the time Lebron won his first title not to mention it wasn’t many contenders in the east during his runs to chips

@@jayhenderson3278 so let’s count from the time they both won their rings mj won his in 91 and retired in 98 that’s 8 season 6 rings which means that once he became a champ he only didn’t win twice and those were season that he didn’t play in fully and he wasn’t beaten for the championships either Lebron won his ring in 2011 it’s now 2022 and he’s won 4 rings which means other greats has won during his reign

Like who?

Jordan has never played against a KD in the finals ever.... Jordan never played against a spurs team with a HOF coming off the bench....

@@dominiquetall5511 Or a team as good as the Warriors

Did Jordan stop Bird, Magic or Isiah from getting a ring? last time I checked they won multiple rings on MJ’s watch. Jordan also always had the better team around him in every single Finals he’s made, best coach, best co-star, best sixth man, best rebounder, the Bulls collectively were the best team of the 90s & it wasn’t all because of Jordan, the Bulls won 55 games & came close to making a conference finals WITHOUT MJ… majority of those 90s teams to come out the west were weak compared to the teams of the previous & next generations.. none of the teams Jordan faced in the Finals were as good as: Shaq & Kobe Lakers Showtime Lakers Tim, Manu, TP & Pop Spurs Steph & KD Warriors the list goes on… put those 90s Bulls in the 80s, 2000s or 2010s & I guarentee you they don’t go 6 - 0 in the Finals.

@@giiotm8272 I agree

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Skip is a joke. He doesn't have any credible takes on LeBron. It's always, "LeBron should've took the final shot, or he took the final shot & made it, but the shot selection was bad, or they won the game but it wasn't by enough points, or LeBron put up 50, 8 & 8, while the rest of his team scored single digit points. Doesn't matter how garbage his teammates are, you gotta win that game.

Tag team match. Skip and Stephen A. Vs Perk and Shannon😂😂

@@doesntmatter6453 🤣😂

u a clippers fan lol dun comment anymore get a banner

And note both Kobe Bryant and MJ have 3peats attached to their names! Where is the "Chosen One"'s 3peat? He barely got back to back in the land of "Not 1, not 2, not 3" and so on! What did he do when the Godfather said "no" to the "Frozen One?" He wrote a tearful note to Cleveland's owner he ran from earlier to come back. Only to cut and run again when the going got tough!

I mean I wouldn’t jump ship either if my team got me arguably the best two way player in the league, best rebounder of all time who was a great defender, a 6th man type in Kukoc, good role players and said yeah let’s add Ron Harper to that who was 18-20 ppg scorer while also having the goat coach. I mean no team in his era had all that talent on one team you bozo 🤣🤣

@@jazzroyale7260 stffuuuu 😂

Looks like 4 is it for him

MJ is the king of trash talking and self-promotion. The only reason lebron haters are fixated on him is b/c there was no social media around when MJ played

@@skippythealien9627 True bro

Not true he was deemed that b4 he got to the NBA and he was always compared to Jordan so nah. Can’t say.

@@rjfletcher7677 Nobody forced him to get the "The Chosen One" Tattoo by doing that he agreed he was (Self inflicted pressure) Throwing a pep rally and Telling Miami Fans they'll win 8 championships before even playing one game together 😂 (Self inflicted pressure) I said "a lot" things were self inflicted pressure not all. Lebron is an all time great but the criticism towards him hasn't come out of nowhere. Who was a Lebron hater during his first Cavs stint in 03-10? Nobody. Everybody loved Lebron because at that time everybody was criticizing Kobe because he was on the vs MJ pedestal during that stretch. It's all a cycle.

He’s literally said the same line for 7 years

@@bryptoTips It's true

True. A technical foul and then rejection for smiling and laughing from the bench, remember Tim Duncan?

He also said that Steph Curry is so beloved, if he passed gas they would call it perfume!😂

It's like a meaningful haiku

In the 80’s yes…, but definitely not the 90’s the bulls were clearly the best TEAM in the league by then

@Aaron9 I think this topic is pointless but the 80s was better than the 90s.

It's funny that u say that and SAS listed all those players and teams and Jordan didn't beat any of them. Once most retired and the pistons imploded is when Jordan finally claimed the crown. Unlike LeBron he slayed every beast in front of him except for the Justice league

@Aaron9 stfu bad boy pistons,lakers,celtics played in the 80s

The reason Scottie Pippen gets upset is this bcuz he don't gets his props man who was on cleveland team before LeBron went to Miami as level of Pippen did you know the GOAT coach of all time Phil Jackson tell also LeBron carried nobody's to finals let that sink through bad boys part 2

Why does Perkins look like he is 55 yrs old when he is really 30... this pathetic trash Kendrick idiot Perkins is speaking Ebonix, learn how to speak clearly moron, and his idiotic laugh where he opens his mouth, nobody wants to see your mouth with that stank breath, 🤣🤣🤣

Straight facts!!!!!

No, he is deluded

Yeah and no. Cuz if he's going to sit there and talk about how physical the league was in the '80s and '90s We can say that the league was even more physical in the 60s and 70s before they started to change the rules also. So we can say the league got softer and softer? And if we're going say that then the guys in the '60s and the '70s had to endure more and they're the best players ever. In an actuality they had to endure more, the way they traveled, the type of floors theyplayed on, the type of shoes they played in. b But we don't need to go there. We never talk about that. It's like people think basketball started in the 80s and 90s and it didn't. It was the televised and we got to see it. Basketball is the 60s and 70s in television was rare of at all. But we can see clips here and there in today's age. Stephen A said something very funny though. He said that the bad boy pistons tried to take Michael Jordan head off on a night to night basis. I literally watched every series and as many random games I could find of those teams playing and what I noticed is out of all those possessions out of all those minutes out of all those years that they played it's funny that the media show the same seven clips. When you actually watch the game that didn't happen every time. It's crazy how something could be perpetuated in the media so much that people start to believe it but then when you actually go back and watch it you like hold on they didn't even really touch him. No I'm not going to sit here and argue with people about it I just want people to actually go watch every single game of every minute and count how many times they actually try to take his head off It was not every play It wasn't even close to every play. But that's what I thought back then because that was a story told but now watching it is kind of like fabrication. I'm not saying that they didn't try but every single play? that's just not true

@@flawless39 ... I on the other hand watched MJ live drop 63 on Boston and saw Pistons vs Bulls, yep your right, it was more like 12 clips and the rest MJ didnt even get fouled, so the media spun it as usual... when I watched it live as a kid, I was fortunate enough to go to the games, like when Magic hit the baby hook in Boston, I was there, the crazy thing is that I agree with you 100%, change the rules to make it safer now, the skills in todays NBA is mind blowing compared to back then, so I agree with your post

Well said

Social Media.

not no presuure, but less pressure than lebron by a mile

But, Jordan was not best player on his team, big James w was the best player

He had no pressure because he had no shadow to follow whereas Lebron had and still has a big shadow to follow every time people bring up to GOAT convo. That's what he meant by MJ had no pressure when he came into the league. Oh, and that College Title, he barely played in that game that was James Worthy and Sam Perkins team what did MJ do after they left for the NBA? oh yeah, couldn't even lead his team back to the NCAA Title game.

In his defense its hard for him to remember his points when stephen a is screaming

Wasn’t eastern conference finals. Stop listening to Nick wright

Facts !

Who said Bron couldn’t handle big moments ?

Big facts!

@@KingEpps23 2011 Dallas

@@connor3885 He didn’t crumble in a ball like Ben Simmons after that though. He went back to back and won MVPs both times after that. People say 2011 then ignore how great he bounced back when some wouldn’t after that.

Isn’t his nickname big baby?

@@DoubleDash28 Haha nope. it was his teammate Davis. Perk is known for his sensitive side and lackluster play. Rode along the Garnett, Pierce, Allen train and now being a sort of "heel" personality on takes like this.

He is correct thou the whole “soft” thing is a overrated narrative that is not even true there was hand checking and very tuff defense in 2003 how u think the team that win the championship averaged 90 points per game

Perk had his whole resume exposed when he tried to shame KD, and he still acts like he was a remarkable talent.

@@Sg6CrossOver perk doesnt really act like that, i have heard himself make fun of his skills more than once.but he was a hard working player that made it to the NBA which most more talented players cant make, so it is kind of senseless to criticize him for that. while i absolutely do not agree with perks take on LBJ being better than jordan, he sometimes has some nice insights into other aspects of the game. MJ is a legend by now, LBJ is a superstar and has been the best player of the NBA for a remarkable period of time and played with and against great players but he is no jordan - never was as dominant as Jordan and never had that win-all mentality like jordan in my opinion, but the "discussion" is useless anyways - comparing these players is not doing a service to either of them, both are great in their own ways and people should rather talk about their individual greatness instead of trying to play them against each other. jordan said himself it is pointless to compare greats of different eras, as there is no way of knowing how they really would have matched up on the floor against each other.

True! Jordan is literally the nba. Nba is popular because of mj and the reason why these players earn this much money. Also even those country that doesn't even know basketball at least know mj so that is how big is the popularity of mj.

I am...Vladimir Puton

We're talking bout WHO HAD THE MOST PRESSURE COMING IN THE LEAD"...don't 4 get the question??lebron👑James🐑🐑

Mutha Russia

@@ciearlrichardson3132 don’t matter Jordan had it way more harder. Jordan made rules change in basketball. Lebron in a era where basketball more easier. Jordan era was much harder. No one touching MJ and his rings. Even now Jordan is still on our tongues. Why? Because MJ will always be like Ali, tiger woods, pele and more to the legends in their sports.

Shaq

Lmaoooo the best era? An era full of plumbers with no skill, Lebron would average a 60 point triple double in the 90s

@@dadillonful shhh

no he didn’t😂 look up something called the expansion era

He always had his prime stars with him during the playoffs though without decline.

Jordan bulls never ran out of gas because they were basically Kd & steph warriors to the league. No other team could compare to the bulls roster. Jordan had a big three but people love watering down pippen & Rodman

So we’re pretending that he didn’t spend 9 YEARS in Cleveland... & He went back to Cleveland to fulfill his legacy. I feel like nobody can say he was wrong for going back to Cleveland to do what he did & what he also did in 2018. He joined the lakers to be closer to family ect. & Won ANOTHER ring for LA. Like yea he bounced to 3 teams but is the only star to win 3 championships with the 3 teams while is finals mvp. That’s amazing regardless.

@@marcuscarter-segers6144 I’m not sure about running out of gas but MJ was def ready to leave the Bulls in 97 threats to leave the bulls is documented But hey context is never used in these discussions

Jordan had to retire cuz he was so gassed. He wouldn't last the route Lebron's been on

Your logic is flawed… THE BULLS for a decade where a SUPER TEAM so why would a player LIKE LEBRON leave that team. Did you watch that team. The BULLS fielded the BEST PLAYER in the league in Jordan and one of the best all around player in Pippen With the best defense and a couple of sharpshooters with the BEST COACHING STAFF ever. How?????

Exactly. Skill vs skill.

Facts!

I can tell you don’t play basketball Physicality bring another dimension to defense just getting a layup is way harder if you play against physical defense And even shooting is harder when the defender has the right to hand check and push you a bit Don’t act like the defense now 2010’s is good compare to even the 2000’s Mj had a tougher road Just for the simple fact that He had more competition in his conference and even in the other Where bron adversity comes from the west and he had a clear path to the finals most of the time And for pressure bron had more pressure BEACAUSE OF MJ’S greatness All of this with the accolades and everything Make Mj first and bron second If you tell me that bron is tie with mj it wouldn’t shock me but anything other than that is just delusional

@@Gatsu16123 No I enjoy playing Football. Far more physical than Basketball. Comprehension isn't your strength. Yes, physicality is exhausting both for the ball handler and the defender, on top of running up and down the court the whole game. However, if you can't be physical and you get a foul or a technical if you so much as blink wrong, it is difficult to defend against, especially when shooters today are superior and 3 point shooting is more important than ever before. You think and want MJ to have had the tougher road because you only see one side. That doesn't make you right. He never had a clear path. He was on a shitty team, with a shitty organization, carrying the team year after year. Meanwhile you got Allen, Garnett, and Pierce on Boston. What I believe is that both are great for different reasons. Doesn't really matter who is better, and that wasn't the point to begin with. Like I said, comprehension is not your strength.

@@ericksantos4555 🙏🏾

How was it the harder road? By the time the Celtics , 76ers , and pistons got old …, The Bulls were great even without MJ which they proved

*First round opponents first 3 seasons* Jordan: 1985: 59-23 Bucks 1986: 67-15 Celtics 1987: 59-23 Celtics LeBron: 2006: 42-40 Wizards 2007: 41-41 Wizards 2008: 43-39 Wizards

@SH DM did you just compare 2017 warriors to the Celtics and bucks? ✌🏽

@@Terror832 facts

@@Terror832 lebron did more with less. that’s why lebron had better seating in the first rounds, and Jordan typically played the top seed. Your point is pretty weak bro… Jordan clearly didn’t have as difficult a road winning championships. All the analytics, casino booking books, etc prove it. Jordan never had to play the warriors or spurs by himself.

MJ would have a ring for each finger

Mj already had a super team

@@tywow7412 he made it a superteam not form

@@patricktolentino6544 that’s my point you can’t make that argument cause he didn’t need to make a super team he was already on one

That's exactly why the Hornets Suck 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Nah fr on dat pressure part 😂

We're talking bout WHO HAD THE MOST PRESSURE COMING IN THE LEAD"...don't 4 get the question??lebron👑James🐑🐑

@@ciearlrichardson3132 don’t matter Jordan had it way more harder. Jordan made rules change in basketball. Lebron in a era where basketball more easier. Jordan era was much harder. No one touching MJ and his rings. Even now Jordan is still on our tongues. Why? Because MJ will always be like Ali, tiger woods, pele and more to the legends in their sports.

hop off jordan’s meat

Yeah MJ is probably “greater” because of his influence on the game and his clean finals record. But I think Lebron is just the better player

why he quit in the middle of his prime?

And Lebron took more games Off,lol rest management😄Lebron is a beast but Jordan was a machine.

That’s the stupidest thing I ever heard 🤡🤡🤡🤡 you must never watched prime lebron 😂😂😂😂 in 2018 played all 82 games and played 40 plus minutes a night I don’t even have to talk about young cavs Bron 🤡

Have you seen the minutes Lebron has played over the course of his career lol? All without largely suffering a legitimate injury?. The fact Lebron is still one of the best players in league at this stage makes this comment ridiculous

@@kevenrowe2958 Lebron only played all 82 games 1x and Jordan 9x.

To be fair, there’s a huge difference lmao

True tho .. I appreciate this era so much but it has become softer

This is a league that has to go to video tape to tell you the degree of a foul now smdh

LeBron is 6foot 8inches tall & is 250lbs-270lbs of all muscle. You're delusional if you think he would've got bullied back in the 80s, or 90s.

@@keitht24 Isaiah said he has a weakness and its free throw shooting he said they would have fouled him every time he went to the hole cause he's afraid to shoot freethrows

The 04 pistons are probably the best defensive team of all time. Just cause the 80s team played harder and were more aggressive doesn’t mean they were better defensively

Yeah, and MJ never beat them, lets not forget that part

@@yusuf8938 he beat the 80’s pistons when they were some what outta their prime and he had help but never beat them in their prime

@@kevenrowe2958 He literally didn't beat them till the 90s lol. So he never beat that 80s team. Yeah he beat them eventually, after they were old, had one foot out the NBA, and had already beaten him multiple times

@@yusuf8938 your absolutely right I agree I think he is overrated and the people that help him gets over looked

LeBron didn't have more help and he faced the toughest competition in Finals History.

@@dynamic6645 The 2011 Mavs with old jason terry, jason kidd, deshawn stevenson, shawn marion, and all those other cats that wizards mj torched is so tough.

@@dynamic6645 you in denial. Lebron had the most help of any superstar in sports history.

@@swolegod7724 yeah because Bird McHale Danny Ainge are incredible athletes 🤣

@@MrGenexxx 1991 eastern conference finals: Jordan's supporting cast: Points Per Game: 77 ppg Field Goal Percentage: 50.9% Top 3 scoring teammates: 1) Scottie Pippen: 22 ppg 2) Horace Grant: 13.5 ppg 3) Bill Cartwright: 10.5 ppg 2007 eastern conference finals: LeBron's supporting cast: Points Per Game: 64 ppg Field Goal Percentage: 41.3% Top 3 scoring teammates: 1) Daniel Gibson: 13.5 ppg 2) Zydraunas Ilgauskas: 12.8 ppg 3) Drew Gooden: 9.2 ppg

I hope they do this every week because It's a great topic

Don’t watch it then?

Why do you even click on it? Go watch soccer or something..

2020 Miami heat was not tougher kid

I mean the warriors and the spurs but Jordan teams beat the most 60 win teams ever

@@calvin5223 so we are just gonna blatantly ignore the Pop Spurs and KD Warriors?

Honestly this might be the best description I’ve seen for this yet.

@@calvin5223 that’s equivalent to the 91 blazer. Son it’s equal

agreed. show me 5 centers in the jordan era that could bring the ball up the court, hit 3's and get triple doubles....

Magic, Larry, Hakeem, Shaq

Isaiah, Malone

The Front office was great in Chicago though. They just had beef over credit in the end. The Cavs front office was terrible compared to the Bulls. I’m not here to say who had it harder because it’s silly topic but the Cavs front office wasn’t good in the 2000s.

@@datsapaddlin so bad they drafted kyrie irving..........🤔 traded for jr smith who at the time was a baller. Keven love again at the time was a monster in Minnesota.

Uh, Lebron came back to a Cavs team that was in the lottery every year after he left. Tf u talking bout?? 😂😂

@@mitronzongo Bronsexuals say Kevin Love just put up big numbers on a bad team but when LeBron does it, he should be MVP 💩

@@thediseaseisthecure love it 😂

They got old, pls save me you still don’t understand how they got passed Pistons.

@@rasaq147 Preach.. Those bulls teams beat those sorry Knicks and Pacers and heat teams.. Never the Celtics and Pistons in thier primes

he never beat the celtics

The pistons was the defending champions when bulls took them out past their primes my @$$. Know ur history 1st.

@@ghost-qn2zo Bulls beat the Pistons which just beat the Celtics, all of that was before they faced the Lakers in the finals. Beating a team that beat the Celtics.

Bro you just said they added the play in for Lebron I’m dead you people who comment on basketball baffle me do y’all watch basketball

Exactly!!!!

People also forget that the first round was best of 5. That makes things considerably harder, especailly when MJ' bulls from his early years had bums on it. He would drop 60 against a hall of fame all-time great teams and the total score would be 100. Now we have teams with 2 or 3 guy averaging over 20-25 on one team scoring in the 120-140s. It's way different now...

@@cjsmith9221 Why else was it added?

@@conanho8445 are you guys braindead lmao First year it was implemented lakers were the best team in the west. Last year they were 7th seed.

Lebron Also Had More Help in the Finals But I agree with that statement in context

Nah, MJ faced some killer teams in the finals. Lebron had some good competition as well, but people just don't know how good the teams were that MJ faced.

@@smokescreenOG fam I feel u

The east wasn't lackluster, any team he faced in the playoffs during that time were better than his Cavs minus him.

@@themaster804 same with jordan in the finals

Bron had a harder road sorry bud

The road to superstardom not winging championships. LeBron was 17 on Sport illustrated and he was named “chosen 1”..prime example Zion has more pressure on him now but Ja was drafted 3rd like Mj and he’s able to play free and his honeymoon stage is more smooth than Zion bc he came out of nowhere🤷🏾‍♂️

Ah ok so you just gonna forget the Pistons Lebron had to beat I see…, also by the time all the great teams in the east were old that’s when MJ dominated…, east so stalked the bulls were more stalked they were literally 1 game away from beating the Big Bad Knicks in the playoffs without MJ name any team that can compete in a as you say “stacked” conference Without there clear #1 player/option

Nah lebron had a harder road. It’s not even close and all the analytics, betting books, etc proves it. Plus all the good competitions your talking about were either old I.e isiah Thomas or still in there rookie or second year I.e shaq, penny, mourning. And sorry the eastern conference playoffs wasn’t very good when Jordan was winning his championships. I think you got the 90’S confused with the 80’s. 😂

Also you’re naming Baby Shaq as a tough out? Reggie Miller couldn’t win even after the bulls got dismantled so throw him out those hawks and raptors teams and pacers teams .., plus the Celtics and pistons and Miami Shaq team Lebron had to go though were all solid teams

Um… because he’s not

How..Lebron is the 🐐to him. See the problem is you idiots act like we compare Jordan to tiny snell. Y’all really dumb. LeBron is either 1or 2 and many say he’s 1.

Lebron ain’t goat but he had harder road

The way Perkins is constantly fumbling his words should tell you enough 🤣

@@ssffssksnsn6621 u are the first person I respect on this whole topic. Brons my GOAT but I completely understand those who say MJ. It’s just a matter of preference at this point. I actually like to talk to people who have MJ as their GOAT that still can separate that from other debatable topics… Just because u can admit that Lebron may be better at one thing over Jordan doesn’t mean you’re saying he’s the GOAT. MJ has plenty of things he does better than Lebron and vice versa… I appreciate your take.

Yup that’s the reason I say Jordan

It was called that until Lebron left, (they all just looked so terrible while LeBron was dominating them for 17 years).. and the next NBA Champ came from the East.. In fact, since LeBron left the east, the only Western conference team to win a Finals was Lebron's Lakers.. lol

The East was weaker in the 90s too but hey people make up whatever. The west was the stronger conference. Look it up but people make up things to put MJ over LBJ and Vice Versa. It’s to the point that people are literally disrespecting the game

Yeah but Jordan has beaten no one in the finals that even compares to that 2016 warriors team .

Yup, eastern conference was pretty bad while LeBron was there. You can just look at the standings year by year and see how much better the records were for the top 8 in the west. There were teams in the East with losing records making it into the playoffs lol pathetic.

@@Chaoskae No one's making it up. And to say the East in the 90's was weaker than the time played there, I would like for you to tell us how many Hall of Famers were going against LeBron and MJ and get back to us young pup.

My didn’t have a stacked team?? Do you know ya history?

Jordan had an eastern conference finals team around him when he retired the first time. They nearly won the title without him.

@@Visual_Ghoul Losing a Game 7 in the Semifinals is not a title team.

@@swolegod7724 they were still contenders. The Bulls were a bad call away from playing in the ecf without the great Michael Jordan. Scottie Pippen was an MVP candidate and Phil Jackson was a coty candidate.

@@swolegod7724 they lost because of a BS call they were actually going to the Finals… know your history and it was the Eastern Conference Finals

What? People act like Bron had Kyrie, love, Ad, and Wade at the same time. Those guys were his Rodman pippen through this career!

Your on drugs

Not true, He would have to go with MVPs who can drop 25+ on avg in the finals this time

ok lets see whats the record jordan vs magic(8-7)W jordan vs bird(11-17)L jordan vs kareem(0-8)(swept)L jordan vs hakeem(10-13)L jordan vs shaq(12-9)W jordan vs kobe(3-5)L jordan vs duncan(3-2)W now comes the king lebron vs kobe(16-6)W lebron vs shaq(12-7)W lebron vs duncan(15-21)L LEBRON(2-1,66% WIN) JORDAN (3-3 ,50%WIN) As a conclusion lebron more dominant against his opponent

Because he played way better comp go check the 1st round losses for Jordan

Yeah that explains getting swept twice in the finals.

@@4ransom437 bro got first rounded by sidney moncrief

Look at Jordan's competition in the finals vs lebron's, lebron had it WAY harder 😂😂

LeBron was in a weak east for years...fanboys be real....he's no where close to mj..let alone kobe...

He speaking facts df up

Perk kicking facts while you suckers living rent free for the rest of your lives LMFAO!!!🤣😂🤪

Kukoc was for sure a all star he just accepted a bench role but he would put 15-20 points a games off the bench and some times 24-30 when he got the permission from phil to take more shots, Also lets not forget hes the reason bulls even won 98 pacers series and was about to end the jazz in 5 in 98 as well lol paxson literally told phill to give toni the ball for the last shot and phill said nope and Literally said after Jordan missed that he should have given it to toni

@@eobardthawne6921 Stop the excuses, Jordan never ran ... Bulls was trash and he willed them to what they became...

Bro really put Dwight Howard in there like we wouldn’t catch it lmao

@@linxsgoingcrazy9143 he was once a all star im just saying

boi acting like LBJ played with all these guys in a single team to win it all lmfao. Brainwashed MJ stans

That’s fair !!! But I wouldn’t sleep on the big 3 Celtics those d rose bulls and the pacers they were great teams but your take is fair

That only strengthens the Jordan argument. Because he had to face 3 inter conference teams before facing the West. Therefore, if the Eastern conference WAS the Finals, he essentially had to get through 3 teams, as opposed to one.

Great point!!!

@@kevenrowe2958 bruh lebron had dwade chris bosh and ray allen in those pacers match ups & and he had the better team against the bulls you can make the arguement for the celtics or maybe the magic with dwight but he always had the better team for the most part only reason you can even say he faced more competition in the finals is because he had to play against GSW

@@kevenrowe2958 Those D Rose Bulls never even came close to beating Miami. Why you mentioned them, I have no idea.

Great points!!! You had me until you said the spurs weren't a super team...check how many Olympians they had on that squad, and how many underpaid players as well....

@@jaron-craighunter4485 the Spurs aren't a super team because Manu played in the Olympics lmao 🤣 Manu and Tony Parker were great role players not superstars! Lots of nba players play for their country Evan Fournier is a an Olympian and played well in the Olympics is he superstar? The Spurs were the old

04 pistons, wiped them off, big three celtics, crazy matchups. Definitely not weak especially when you have no Scottie pippen beside u and a bunch of bums. Boy made the finals at 22. Lack of respect is ridiculous, Jordan couldn’t win a series until he got pippen

@@sammycordahi9327 Scottie Pippen took 3 years to develop! Lebron joined the 3rd best player in the league at the time and who already lead a team to a championship and got the best PF in the east! Lebron has been playing on loaded teams since 2010 and still lost more than he won James Harden's Rockets were the biggest threat to the Warriors not Cleveland ! Lebron playing with Kyrie and Kevin Love could only win 1 game ! Rockets took the Warriors to 2 game 7s no big 3!

@@coolreg6395 so you’re making my point these teams were loaded. Of course he had to get talent around him, just like Jordan had a top 5 player in the league on his team and Rodman the best pf in the conference. No one can do it without help. Funny you bring up the rockets, because they would’ve won that series but cp3 got hurt and harden had to try to do it alone. In a league of teams w steph klay Durant dray and kd Kyrie harden etc you need to have talent on your team, Jordan never went up against a team w that much talent

Last year the average height in the NBA was the shortest in 41 years.

That's a super underrated take. We should talk about this more than we do.

Yep completely agree

Why not. Jordan just had a great team built around him to win everything. LeBron went to finals alone . If LeBron had Jordans team he would have won 6 straight. But Jordan might not have beaten the kd,Steph,and Klay. They would shoot around him if he had only Kyrie.

And how long did play in the league ?

@Aaron9 lebron can carry a team jordan cant simple….

@@joshuadavis6442 what team has lebron carried and won. Lebron has had the most help in nba history. You do realize Jordan only played with 1allstar his whole career. Dennis wasn’t a all star through the bulls run.

Dawg what are you talking about? Everyone saw Jordan coming.

@@thesecond8187 I was referring to the fact that it was a big man league at the time. So his impact couldn't have been predicted to be as big as it was.

@@thesecond8187 I was about to say the same thing…. He was in the 84 Olympics…. His college team beat the NBA stars at the time. You can tell who is a basketball fan when folks make comments like this. Chicago was not a destination people wanted to go to when Jordan arrived…

Fair enough!!!! Great comment

Would Jordan won any championships without Scottie … one the best wing defenders all time are u serious dude .. just stop bra

i was bigger than stockton in middle school and he missed like 12 games in 19 years

Yeah til he start hitting back. Lebron is a big strong dude don't fool yourself

My sister is bigger than Spudd webb and he averaged 18 pts in the 90s

@@marvinhouse8545 like they just don’t get it they are really brainwashed

@@kalix975 they would've target LeBron 100%. Cut the bs man. They fucked up Jordan more then Stockton.

Finally.. logic instead of personal bias.

@rell2972 Other players teamed up before and didn’t win anything.

@rell2972…, that falls into the everything fell perfect for MJ cause I promise if Lebron had a Pippen and Phil Jackson with a great supporting players …, Lebron wouldn’t have to leave…, even Kobe was looking to leave the lakers until things changed…. Let me ask you a question… how many ring would MJ have if he played his whole career with the Pistons , Celtics , 76ers and showtime lakers?

@rell2972 exactly mj stuck with one team. Lebron picked his teams and star players. The bulls got pippin from the sonics during the draft. I mean steph curry had a tougher a tougher career he had to go thru harden, kawhi, manu, chris pual, tim duncan and more for years.

You wrote a whole paragraph to get 13 likes and completely got it wrong 😂😂😂

2 of those teams lebron played were dynasties… and okc was favored to win that finals but hey what do i know

And he beat Ben Wallace’s pistons who beat shaq and Kobe in the finals 😂

@@charlesamissah9089 What I mean is beating in the path to win a championship. When Lebron beat the Pistons he didn't win the championship. Lebron won his rings against weaker competition than Jordan, so the argument is easy: Jordan had the tougher path. And won 2 more rings. There's not even a comparison between the two.

@@charlesamissah9089 I don't think LeBron beat the Pistons with Ben Wallace on the team.

@@iranianintelligenceagency9337 absolutely facts✔ Ben Wallace was not on the "2007" squad!! He was with the Bulls at that time

@SuperPunch76 Just prime Pippen by himself woulda smoke Kyrie Wade Bosh and Glass body Anthony Davis all together and I’m not even mentioning Kukoc, Armstrong, Harper Grant and Rodman

@SuperPunch76 before Lebron left for Miami yes indeed he did.

@@jeremy9717 lebron has played 12 years after leaving Cleveland the 1st time. So stating his time before the heat is irrelevant if we contextulaize his whole career. That's like stating Jordans time with nobodies before they drafted pippen and grant and traded for cartwright.

@@emildiaz9597 prime pippen didn't win in 94 when Jordan retired. Wade won a ring without lebron. Not sure how pippen is better than wade. Kukoc, Armstrong, grant were nothing of note outside of playing on the bulls. Harper and Rodman were the truth on their respective teams. But for totality lebron has played with far greater talent than Jordan ever did. You could probably make 3 different teams with all the players he's played with centered around lebron that would be better than teams made with Jordan.

Lebron has played with way more hall of famers. Put Jordan on that Heat team & he ain’t losing to The Spurs & definitely ain’t losing to the Mavs.

Everyone ate in the 80’s more then they since lebrons been in the leauge

@@jonathanfletcher7615 Facts and Jordan’s prime was in the late 80s too. Not to mention 1 or 2 of those years between 91 and 98 he wasn’t playing

Larry,magic,Isaiah,hakeem,david robinson, and lets not forget those wizard years lmao. He only won 6 chips bruh. THAT MEANS 9 YEARS OF SOMEONE NOT NAMED MJ EATING.

@@hiramhankins4174 exactly well put

NBA J.V PLAYER LIKE PERKINS NEED TO STAY OUT OF GROWN FOLK BUSINESS CAREER AVERAGE 5.4

Ok they plan to leave everybody open but steph on the court what does that mean steph is the god of messing up the defense that’s not a excuse buddy Kd is a taller version of Jordan dude when it comes to his ability to score at will anywhere he would beat Jordan 1 on 1 for sure no make it take it

obviously you don’t know basketball!! Someone that made the Finals and the second leading scorer on the team was KLove averaging 10PPG tells it all

And now as long as you are outside the restricted area it's a charge... There are rules implemented today that was implemented in Jordan's day... soooo,,, come again???..

Super team??? Let's go back a few year before... Do you remember the Boston big 3?? O wait,, let's go back to the showtime lakers🤷🏽‍♂️

@@herman6100 are you even watching nba games today dude? There are less charging compared to blocking fouls. Offensive players flopping ang getting calls. Defenders today cant put their hands on players like back in the day. if the defender is moving they will be called for a blocking foul even if they are outside the restricted area, what are you talking about? Offensive players can also be called for charging foul if they catch the ball near the paint and attack the basket even if they are inside the restricted area. Yuh, boston, lakers, pistons and philadelphia were superteams back in the 80s. 90s were different though. most of the teams were balanced. 1 superstar, 1 all star and solid role players. Rodman was a specialist, a rebounder and defender. Pippen was an all star 4 out 6 during the bulls championship run. Very similar to the 2011 Mavs and different from the superteams you see today and before where there maybe 2 superstars 1 all star or 1 superstar and 2-3 all stars in one team.

Boston is a super team….

🎯💯💯 On top of that, defensive 3 in the key 🔑 changed in 04-05 season as well

When did MJ go up against 4 HOFers in one team???

MJ played with HOFs

@@Petrov987 Boston, the lakers, 76ers, pistons but I'll stop there..

acting like MJ didnt have the GOAT Coach, Top 5 player of the 90s/Top 15 of all time, GOAT defender & rebounder in Rodman. LeBron just like every player has the right to do is go get that luxury MJ had built around him if your organization is not willing to put in the work to do it for you.

@@Petrov987 what about the 2011 mavs explan that beatdown.

You must forgot who was on MJ team like wow yeah you truly dont know the game

Jj barea/ Jason Terry shutdown LeBron

Ikr🤦‍♂️

You must not listen to mainstream media lol its all lebron.

@@jameswatson2507 I can’t go a day without the media mentioning Lebron. When Heats,Cavs, n Lakers won.. it’s all about Lebron.. but when the got losing record it got nth to do with Lebron!

Exactly. If LeBron is so amazing why is he not even .500 in his championship series. Hey LeBron fans name another US athlete considered it's goat with a LOSING RECORD in their biggest championship series and don't worry I'll wait

@@johncurtis3382 lol unfortunately this comment probably won't get enough likes to bring all the Bronsexuals in here to give excuses.

Jordan couldn’t handle the pressure so he retired on his team.

@@okay2584 but came back an won three more🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@ronaldnewton279 They won 55 games without him, imagine how good they could be if they add Jordan and Rodman

😂😂

Wrong. LeBron played in the east coast for much of his career which was the same as the Patriots making the playoffs. People stopped playing defense in the early 2000s. That's when ball chuckers became prolific, such as one Kobe Bryant. When Kevin Durant got into the league, he was the highest fouled against player in NBA history cause he's simply drive the lane and guys would touch him and he goes to the line. That's why every freaking time lebron goes to the lane like a freight truck and his wrist gets tapped and it's a no call he freaks out. This NBA is a joke. Back in the 90s it was night and day difference. The league wants 160 point games cause it suits the youth of nowadays

@@thrillhouse4784 What…? Ok 👍🏾 sure

R u serious

Lebron had an easier time constantly, he should never be compared to jordan.

How? Provide some insight.

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It’s obvious you don’t have an reasonable argument and your just going with the player you grew up watching.

BRUHHHHHHHH please read the question asks who faced tougher road not who hed the most pressure ok ? It was mj hands down

U talking pressure outside the court now of Lebron wich is agreeable but on the court there is NON comparisons of THE ROAD that MJ had to endure in the 80's and 90's that's LEVELS of differences. One is verbally tough the other is practically TOUGH!

Jordan didn't deal with today's social media and the pressure that comes with that. They would have kicked Jordan out the league with all the problems he had.