I wish there were more comments from people that see the big picture of why a bike like this is so important. Ping mentioned about the noise issue which is a bigger issue than ever before. Of course it is not for everybody. If you are a hard core long distance racer, this is probably not the bike for you and it was never intended to be that. It seems from inception it was meant for motocross. R&D will eventually fix the load issue to. For somebody looking to find flaws with it I have no doubt that you will find them but for the future of motocross this bike may have become it's Savior. Besides the fact that almost everyone that has actually ridden one LOVES IT!!!! I hopefully will be ordering one soon........and I have a lot of patience, I have no problem waiting for what I want.
Thanks for being an early adopter of the testers. Really good input about the riding nuances. Too bad you didn't try the LHRB. Exceeding your high expectations says a lot. The Bogle 35 minutes on a deep track is good info that has been missing, the range issue is the last lingering question. More of a 1st ride than full test but good feedback. Looking forward to your Beta race test from the weekend.
Holy moly!!! You look good on the Varg!!! I am guessing the bike would cause a lot of grief to other riders in front of it because the guy on the Varg would be changing up lines like crazy in turns and the guy in front wouldn't know where it was coming from prior to being passed. I knew this would be the best-articulated review.
Great insights. Doesn't matter if you're a 4- or 2-stroke fan, this thing definitely rips. Gives us another option for our beloved sport on areas, that are prone to shut down because of noice issues.
Dude I race moto with bought a used Alta back in 2020 and let me ride it for a session or two back then. I totally get the weirdness you felt when first getting on the bike. You have to remind yourself there's no gears to grab or clutch to pull, plus getting used to the in air dynamics. Now it seems like the Stark is a big improvement over the Alta so I'd love to ride it as well, but that is likely a ways off in the future as you cant get a hold of one due to demand and production limitations. Anyway, solid and comprehensive vid Ping it's the best one so far I've seen on the Stark. I hope you do get a hold of another one soon.
Thanks Ping. This is the first review from someone who I know is not biased or staged. A lot of housing and other development has taken away great riding in my area and a lot of it is still tucked away but the noise from an I.C.E. brings heat immediately. For me the purpose of this bike would be not to have to drive 2-3 hrs to get a good ride in. For Moto and all day trail rides, it is still too easy to re-fuel and go, but to ride locally it looks great.
The chain adjuster design, man, what a brilliant idea. Like you, I've never thought the chain adjuster designs on your typical MX bike have been that precise. I know you can be precise with it by measuring etc. But this design is dope!
It would be very interesting to see a lap time comparison after you get some more time on one of these eventually. Like, run 5 laps on a 450 you're comfortable on, then 5 laps on the Stark, and compare averages. And then change power levels on the Stark and see what that does to lap times. I'm still hesitant to be excited about these, but they are the future and I will get on board eventually, I think it's inevitable. The low maintenance and input costs are a big thing as well. Just likely an all-round easier machine to own for regular guys that are tight on time. More time riding, less time wrenching.
Man I see both sides the good and the bad. But going to a pro national without the smell of Vp burning and the sounds would really be a bummer. Do not forget how many businesses would go under in this industry if we were all electric
Ping your review covers a lot of points I've not seen on any other reviews of this bike. One important topic no one has covered yet is how many charge cycles is the battery good for before it drops capacity, and what is the cost of a new battery?
@@davidpingree9254 Ouch. So for those that ride a few days a week, and potentially charge the thing 2x each riding day reality smacks you pretty quick.
All I can say is Wow!!! You made that bike look good Ping! Or maybe it was the bike😂 As a Gncc guy who has issues stalling, I can't wait for these to get to that point. 3hrs, one quick battery swap. I would be in heaven. Thanks for the review, top notch as always.
They won't even last 1.5hrs, even worse if bad conditions. A 3hr gncc will need at least 3 batteries plus in good riding conditions. They are already at the track and don't can't make a 1.5hr race. Gonna be a 24 to 30k bike
@@lway8545 I'm hoping they continue to develop the technology for off-road racing. Yes 3 plus hours is alot and would probably take two battery swaps, but with different "ECU" settings and continued development. It could be possible. They'll probably put a separate class in the morning 2hr race so that it is obtainable. But seriously though, 25-30k on a bike, a drop in the bucket to some of these guys.
so when a racing team going to field one.? I'm super curious to see someone running it in SX and even more outdoors, but but, what kind of class will be allowed in. The curr manufacturers are going to be completely against it. Even feld might because of the lack of sound and drama.
I'm so surprised that Yamaha, Honda, KTM, or Zero Motorcycles hasn't come out with something close to this bike! They all have millions to invest and a full engineering department. I'm just surprised.
I have a couple of questions Ping, if you have a moment? - it looks really fast, do you think it was faster than an equivalent 450, in a lap time sense? - did the physical activity of riding fast/hard hide the fact that it was so much quieter, it looks kind of peaceful from the outside.
Yes, if I had a little time to get comfortable I'd be faster on it for sure. The lack of sound is difficult at first. Hard to get used to but got easier and easier.
That was badass ping, there are many haters but I agree, this will open new doors. Also, hilarious to hear you laughing and commentating under your helmet
I build 60 bhp, 73 ft/lbs torque Axial flux electric motors. They fit directly in the yz450f frame. I make custom batteries too. Crazy batteries! Hit me up if you need next gen.
David great video , definitely the Stark Varg is an option .in Australia things have just sky rocketed in price , however my next bike will be electric ,be it the Stark Varg or hopefully Hondas version. Good onya Ping
Someone will figure out how to rev their genny, that should help. Seriously, gennies can be well muffled and then we can hear the motocross rock coming out of box vans. Don't forget to size your genny for a serious A/C unit. Maybe a tv and gaming console. Great, add 10K to the cost of a Stark.... and now I need a new van.
So if you are planning on doing a 1.5 to 2hr harescramble this bike is gonna cost around 23 to 24k because it will need at least 2 batteries to finish in that time frame. If gncc 3hr race it will need 3 batteries plus 30k and this is considering good track conditions which is easier on the battery.
You seem like the kind of person that would take a FULL ON MOTO ONLY BIKE & line up at a GNCC with the stock tank & bitch about having to remove the empty fuel tank & bolt on a full one every 2 laps or so. Reminds me of the law maker that said that after we shoot all the 30 round magazines, then there won't be any more, because she thought & believed that they came pre-loaded & were not user refillable! Please tell all of us that you are not as dumb as you just made us all think because of the post above?!?!?
Sur-ron Ultra Bee is going to be a way better bike for harescrambles. Battery is swappable on those and cheaper and the lighter weight can be nice in tricky areas imho.
A normal gas 450 has about 52hp, and the average rider can not even use all that, so 60hp is probably too much. I can not ever see anyone being able to use all the 80hp, that is just ridiculous. I had a 2 stroke Suzuki RM 465 with 53hp for 8 years and it was so fast I never went past 3/4 throttle, and it would lift the front wheel in every gear but 5th at 3/4 throttle. So 50hp is about all anyone would ever need, anything more than that is just overkill.
Is it just me or was the filmed on a 1st gen iPhone? Maybe you should have used that Stark phone to film with. In all seriousness, great content. I’m excited to see where electric takes us. How long until the aftermarket starts offering batteries and motors? That’ll be the real sign the adoption has been embraced. 👍
Good video man just want to throw out the hopefully people start torking about i tested it on a new track with out my 2t and fownd it ezyer to time as you can hear the wheel slip and the engine rpm allows the same as it 1 speed so i think main timing issue is that you give it a blip to much on face and then now it going to flat bit i flat land bit 7foot with 60kg suspension im 90kg and still didn't bottom out
I have a few questions. How long do they say the battery will last, 1 year, 2 years, 5 years? Does the battery come with a 1 year, or longer warranty? If the battery goes bad and stops charging, or holding a charge, how much does it cost to buy a new one. I heard a new battery would cost $6,000, is that true.
well, they had a good run. Does every business have to live for ever? i mean is it because of jobs? As we advance technologically, we enter a level of abundance, where we basically have everything we need. Food, housing, energy.. all will be readily availabe. If anything, we should welcome less jobs, because it means less to do
i wonder how the average MX track would ever be able to supply two dozen 240watt outlets for even one class of these to recharge from or i guess a $3000 generator is tacked onto the price tag of going electric
@@amoore2165 Yes. I am about 4,000 on the CT(240 outlet) reservation list. All Oem pickups (Ford already) will have electric option with 240 outlet over next couple years.
I will absolutely get one. But I’m waiting for Honda, ktm, Yamaha, to release there’s. I’m certain some companies are making a electric conversion kit where you take your motor out and install the electric kit. 16k is out of pocket. Maybe in a couple years there will be 10 electric dirt bikes to pick from
I dont think the big manufacturers will be making a full sze electric motocross or enduro bikes. It would be a bad idea for them to do that. Just like the KTM group with their very very popular 350 engine...their biggest selling model....the Japanese aren't interested. They let ktm have the 350 market uncontested and they will do the same with the electric market. Reason is adding such a model will only take away sales of their existing models, thats why they dont do it. Just think all the pros and cons through carefully..it doesn't make sense for them to build electric mx bikes ,until such time as Stark starts to significantly eat into their combustion engine motocross bike market share. I think that will take a long time to happen. There is obviously very high initial demand for the e bike..but that will settle down very quickly once that initial demand is met. Yearly ongoing sales for Stark will unlikely be cause for alarm with the majors...just like the market for Austrian 350's is not deemed by the Japanese to be enough of a threat for them to invest in it themselves
@@philiprourke7732respectfully disagree… the market will demand the better product, when it becomes undeniable that an E motocross machine is better performing than internal combustion the E bikes will take over and ICE will fade away
@@philiprourke7732 Honda has had a CRE for the better part of 6 years. Kawasaki has already said their entire line of motorcycles will be electric by 2035. And they all have signed battery agreements last year, so it is 100% coming.
@@Marleysdad808 Honda show zero signs of putting their electric prototype into production, Getting on the electric bandwagon and making bold statements that their entire motorcycle range will be electric by 2035, amounts to nothing but lip servicce from Kawasaki...its the thing to do if you wanna get along in the current "" green energy""phase of human insanity...2035 is a very long way away.. Suzuki haven't updated their motocross range for several years so you can pretty much guarantee they wontt go electric either.. Pit Bierer at KTM said they wont be doing it in the foreseeable future... I was privy to a remark from someone I know personally in Yamaha USA offroad r&d and at the time of the Stark Varg announcement he had no knowledge of any emx bike being planned, Im talking an official full Yamaha bike, not some very limited partnership with someone else willing to do all the development.. It was a fight from people within Yamaha USA to get the Japanese to even keep 2 stroke mx bikes in their line up, harder again to get them to update them even slightly for the 2022 model release...they could really rob sales from their 4stroke line , or maybe from KTM, so the slightly updated 2 strokes from Yamaha really only amount to a limited gesture of good will to loyal customers Think about the cost of developing a full size EMX bike from scratch...consider how big the market would actually be 🤔🤔🤔🤔 With vast resources already tied up in building and evolving their current ice bikes...why build one model that might massively reduce sales of existing models? KTM make 125, 250 and 300 cc two strokes. 250, 350, and 450 cc four strokes. So they build a bike that matches the Varg...will they sell just as many of the ice bikes, plus sell enough of the EMX model to make it profitable? Or will they end up selling around the same number of bikes as the e bike robs sales from the gas bikes? Or could they potentially sell less as people who commonly buy say a 125 two stroke and say a 450 four stroke every couple years , cease doing so and just buy one EMX bike instead? And seeing as how the motor will last longer than the chassis, they might keep that bike 5 or 6 years before buying a new one, when they might have bought a new gas bike every year?? A lot to think about here...have you actually REALLY thought it through??
might be ok for you moto guys but it aint gonna work for us offroad guys. we go go 3 - 4 hours and 65 miles or more and a long way from the truck. good luck
So.....if they start running this junk in pro motocross, how many batteries will you need to take to the track? 1 for each of the open practice sessions, 1 for each timed practice, 1 for the LCQ and 1 for each moto. I come up with 7 batteries that need to be replaced at least once a year. Sounds kinda spendy to me.
Because if you want to win, you need fresh batteries, the other guy has fresh batteries. They degrade every time you use them so need to be replaced for top performance, kinda like pistons, rings and valves. BUT much more expensive.@@lawrencefranck9417
Cant wait to bring out my 2 stroke harbor freight no emission generators to charge my damn bike........ EPA are idiots. Gonna get friendly with the laundry to charge my bike.
@davidpingree9254 oh gotcha, I thought you said after a 35 minute moto by a pro rider it was down to 20% battery life. That would be the 80 minutes I was talking about.
No one seems to be thinking about what it could turn into. My guess once they get their meat hooks in you, it will turn into a "subscription service". Not to mention the 13k cost plus 7k for a replacement battery when needed. Gas is still king when it comes to all that.
Electric is a option but definitely not for long term use. Fact is electric just won't keep up with combustion. Just like the electric mower you need like 10 batteries to mow a lawn. 😂
This was true 10 years ago.. I’ve been able to mow my lawn (1.5 acres) on one charge with my ego riding mower for the past few years. Way less maintenance than gas. Most people who can afford a new motorcycle don’t need it to last past a few years anyway because they’ll just sell it and buy the next big thing. This bike looks sick
I don’t know man, what does no real sound coming from the machine, how does this impact the spectator experience. Not sure, you just sit next the to the fans sitting in the sx stands and hear each other burp and fart? Sounds like quite an experience.
My buddy just dropped a battery in a hybrid car. 2020 model. $27,998 battery. $1,200 labor and $1,800 tax. Good luck to all the guys who end up having battery issues at some point...
Ping ..... there is a whole bunch of people testing & reporting on this awesome bike & I have heard more than one say EXACTLY what you just said about ALL THOSE TRACKS BEING CLOSED, EVERYDAY & EVERYWHERE. Starting to sound like those left wing media outlets that ALL SAY THE SAME THINGS ON ANY GIVEN DAY, the ""TALKING POINTS"" being inserted into the show to twist up the brains of the masses! Could you give me a list of tracks closed just this year & then juxtapose it against how many tracks total there were at the start of this year? Just like the bank robber in the DIRTY HARRY MOVIE SAID......""I gotsta know""? Wouldn't it have been a nice/cool thing to do by setting up your own map to show how this bike can be dialed into a rider & track situation, come in and tone down the peak power so that even though you claim to be over riding the bike & getting the rear end to slip & step out, demonstrate how easy that is to stop/fix by just resetting the power mode for the conditions present. I reckon you might want to put that kind of a set up change up against the stop watch to see if knocking back the overall power output to save/stop wheel spin with the ECU (kinda) settings rather than your butt/brain/hand method was faster or slower & the bad part is that it would be hard to measure the savings in energy of the body by NOT having to correct or save/stop the sliding rear end?!?! Just my 2 cents worth, can't wait to ride one. P.S. What a great ""SPEC"" bike/chassis this could become. Roll up to the races, the promoter sets up & locks your ""RACE PHONE"" with the settings for the ""CLASS"" that you are racing that day, or the 2-3++ different classes you are racing that day, all with just one bike!
I dont care anything about this bike. This will kill everything good we love about the sport. No way in hell would i ever purchased this pos. 4 stoke ruined the sport and this will kill it. 🤢🤮🤬
Triple from the inside all day long…or 45 minutes until the battery is dead. Whichever comes first. 😂 Gonna be annoying with the pits full of running generators all day.
