Clearly you've never spent any time at all with an addict. That is laughable and stupid. You, sir, are proof PT Barnum was right when he said, "There is a sucker born every minute".
Well said sir. Pete played baseball like it should be played.Then made a mistake. And then he more than paid for those mistakes. He has earned his place in Cooperstown.
I've been a Dodger Fan since 1968. The Dodgers would not have won 4 National League Pennants and 1 World Series Title without Steve Garvey. The guy constantly came through in the clutch. Big time money player. He should be in the HOF along side Pete Rose. Rose and Garvery along with the likes of Dale Murphy, Don Mattingly, Gil Hodges among others are good examples of how all HOF's are a sham.
I hated Steve Garvey, but along the way I turned around and learned to love him. One of the most dangerous hitters I ever saw. I think he had 200+ hits, six years in a row. Hit for power. Hit for average He couldn't run or throw very well, but I'll tell you what, he did have a nice glove at first. And he was so durable. He played every day.
Steve is still a class act. Believes that people should pay for their mistakes but also companionate enough to give them a second chance. Pete Rose should be evaluated on his stats. If you factor in players off the field antics very few players today would make the cut.
Garvey all around player for 10 years belongs hall of fame, along with Mattingly, Munson, Conecpion, Parker, Olivia, 2 pitchers because they have numbers Kaat and John
I'm not a baseball expert. I don't even play one on TV. But I can't envision a baseball HoF with any legitimacy without Pete Rose in it. Especially since there are crummy bastards already in there. PR is an asshole. But it isn't the MLB Hall of Nice Guys. Put Rose in the Hall and make a true HoF.
Garvey went to head with Rose for pretty much his whole career competing for the National League pennant. If he says Rose was the greatest competitor and the best player he played against, and should be in the Hall of Fame - that's enough for me. He also has point the Rose accepted his punishment. Fact is, Garvey should be in the Hall of Fame as well..... back in 70's and early 80's he was a lot like Rose in terms of being the leading contributor to championship teams.
He ABSOLUTELY 150% should be in!!! Arguably the greatest hitter EVER. Bonds & Rose the ALL TIME hits and and HR's leaders (records that WILL NEVER EVER, EVER be even remotely close to being broken!!!!) are NOT in the HOF??? A few bets, and a hitter yoking up are black balled??? Come on. How are their records just wiped out for all intents and purposes?? I know I will get hammered for supporting Bonds but imo being able to bench press a Buick and being talented enough to hit MLB pitching are polar opposites. Steroids in no way, shape, or form impact a guy ripping a baseball going 98 mph!! If Bonds were a in a body building contest I'd understand.
Here's another way to evaluate a player's HOF worthiness: If you were starting an expansion team, who would pick as your number one draft pick, Steve Garvey, a full time player, who was an iron man and clutch performer....or pick one of the DH types like Edgar Martinez, Paul Molitor or Harold Baines who are already in the Hall?
I would absolutely take Molitor over all the others, he being CLEARLY, STATISTICALLY better than the others by a margin. I don't believe Edgar Martinez or Harold Baines should be in the HOF, but if you make a convincing argument I might be swayed. Steve Garvey? No. We are trying to find the absolute best players without diluting the product the way it was in the 1930s and 1940s with old timers. Two wrongs don't make it right. While I do think showing up every day is a skill, RBIs are overrated. And being "clutch" isn't a thing. He had a slightly better few games in the playoffs than he normally did. There is no such thing as clutch. It is just a series of random chances. So I don't buy that either and that's why I would keep him out as well. I would draft that group like this: 1. Molitor 2. Molitor's offspring 3. Edgar Martinez 4. Harrie 5. Popeye
@@Mr.MikeBarksdaleAre you saying that there is no difference between playoff games and regular season games? The players are still human and not robots.
@Bk6346 This has been well documented in the statistics community. There is no such thing as "clutch players". It doesn't mean more to certain players and they don't just "have more heart". Take Derek Jeter. I like the guy but he eventually was within a standard deviation or two of his overall career values. In small sample sizes (like playoff games) players will have a little bit more successful or failure, but as a general rule, Michael Jordan didn't just "turn it up" in the playoffs. He was just the best player on the court every night and usually that's why he wins. It's why, honestly, I don't like playoff games. I liked MLB much more before they made a football style single elimination tournament out of it. The pennant race was a much better way of determining who belonged. Instead of 8 teams qualifying and then maybe you have a 82 win team get hot at the right time and win the world series, I would much rather have NL/AL all together in two groups and the world series be a seven game series (nine would be better, like they used to do from 1903-1920), and then you know the two best teams are in the world series.
@@Mr.MikeBarksdale I sure the players abilities don’t change whether it regular season or postseason. But when the playoffs begin the players sometimes play with injuries that they wouldn’t during the regular season. A infielder might run dangerously towards the dugout to try to catch a foul ball that he wouldn’t do during the regular season. An NBA player after a night partying might not give 100% in a game. The players abilities don’t change but maybe the effort less.
Pete Rose ABSOLUTELY should be IN the HALL. Garvey--NO! Garvey's career STATS DO NOT support a place in the HALL. NO WAY. I'm a Garvey fan. He was my IDOL when I was involved in Little League, but his CAREER STATS do NOT support a bid for the Hall-Of-Fame. DON'T put him IN--just because he was LIKED.
Steve just said it , Pete had an addiction to gambling. Other addictions get overlooked. But not what Pete did. Even if he always bet on his team . And if you don’t want gambling in sports then make it illegal . Period . It is a crime that Steve is not in the baseball HOF.
Without Pete Rose in the HOF, the whole MLB should be embarrassed. I mean forgo his involvement with baseball if you must, but don't wait until the guy is dead to come to your senses. Meanwhile, all sports received their various cuts to the tune of 4.2 billion dollars in totality from online, "legal" gambling last year. I mean it's hypocrisy at its finest. Put Pete In the Hall and while you're at it- put in Garvey, too.
Garvey, if your vote counted, it,would be a vote against rules. To hell,with the rules, let’s out him in, is a narrative that tells kids the rules are optional. Rose made a choice and must live with the consequences.
So guys with drugs like steroids, cocaine, rapist, murders are in there. Yet Pete gambles & MLB now gets money from gambling the entire thing smells. MLB can’t say oh Pete you can’t do that & get money off gambling can’t have it both ways. If Petes’ out then MLB shouldn’t collect a nickel from gambling if you really want that out of the game.
@@patrickgray5633 there are different social standards now than when a lot of those guys got in. Off field behavior never mattered as much as it does now. Steroid use keeps evolving. The guys that get caught pay the price. Unfortunately for Pete Rose he committed one of the biggest transgressions against the integrity of the game. The gambling rule was in place way before steroids were ever used or even possibly existed. Anyone that gambles, uses drugs, uses steroids or commits rape is choosing to do so. If they get caught they will be and should be subject to the restrictions that are in place at the time of their infraction (s). Pete made a bad choice but it was his to make.
Does Pete Rose deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Of course he does. However, let's be clear: this wasn't a poor farm boy who was doing what other players were doing and threw some games for a few bucks only to then be told he was banned for life. This was a pattern of behavior from someone who knew that the one absolutely irredeemable sin of the game of baseball was to throw games, the punishment of such actions being lifetime banishment from The Game and forfeiture of all Hall of Fame privileges. And yet, he did it anyway. Why? Because Pete Rose always did whatever Pete Rose wanted. This was a multi-millionaire addict finally being told NO. For once he couldnt lie his way out. When finally given a chance to come clean, did he do it? No. He lied and continued the charade that he bet on baseball but only to win and never against his teams. This was laughable to anyone who has spent any time at all with an addict. As a manager he had other players' careers to protect. He failed them, not just the game. He is an embarrassment and a black mark.
Rose was a big jerk. He treated media people and fans like crap. He didn't think about what it would be like on the way down. the hall uses the gambling on baseball against him. As for Garvey? His fairy tail marriage fell apart and then he went and had two kids out of wedlock. And now he's going to run for a senate seat as a family values republican? Where did we hear things like that before? NO! These things count when considered for the hall. You let them in, next thing you'll know they'll be letting steroid users in.
Steroids in 70s football??? I dont think so...maybe tail end, and likely only a handful of players. Jesus, there are telltale signs when roids are being abused.
Apostó afectando al equipo que dirigía, ¿Porqué VERGAS merece ingresar al salón de la fama? ¿Por sus hits? No creo que haya apostado en contra de sí mismo antes de romper el récord. Cerdo, fuera del salón de la fama PUNTO.
