@@jasonmoukala8909 You are confusing "having humanity" with "being human". Styles and Allison are the only humans in Scott's pack. Every other members have supernatural abilities which can fatally wound someone (fangs, claws, Lydia's scream), and excluding Lydia, they all have enhanced healing abilities. When Styles told Scott that "some of us are humans", he was reminding him that he's just a regular guy with a baseball bat. If something happen and he get stab like Allisson, he's not gonna instantly heal like them. In a life or death situation, hesitation can be fetal to him.
this scene made me so sad and angry. It hurts that Stiles has been there for Scott since the very beginning, and now Scott is more worried about a guy who was threatening his best friend's father than his literal best friend. C'mon Scott, you gotta do better.
1. Stiles lied to Scott’s face for days. 2. Scott was in charge of bring Donovan for stiles dad. 3. Stiles went behind Scott’s back and made a deal with Theo. 4. Stiles never told Scott what actually happened. 5. All Scott knew was his best friend lied about murder to him and everyone else. Scott’s the victim and no one wants to see from Scott’s point of view. He was being lied to by someone he trusted everything with. And was being manipulated by a old friend. At the end of the day I’m with Scott I wouldn’t trust anyone who lied to my face about killing someone.
@@julesleblancstories3380 I agree! Also it seemed for like Scott was trying to get stiles to tell his version, but Stiles just immediately thought Scott knew what happened. So yeah Scott is more victim here then Stiles is
@@juliapaardekooper1335 okay cool but scott learned from someone else what happened he can't be upset that it happened that way when he knew it was a possiblity after trusting theo. He should've have then explained it when the secret was out
I actually think that it's realistic that Stiles didn't explain what happened, clearing the misunderstanding. Because if your best friend accuses you or believes some guy more than he believes in you, then it's realistic to get defensive and defiant. He didn't want to beg for Scott's trust by telling him that he didn't intend to kill him and just wanted to stop him. He thought that Scott still should've believed in him even without him explaining it. So I wouldn't say it's bad writing.
That, and Scott comes accusing him from the get-go instead of asking for his side of the story. By this point in the season, Scott's lost almost all control to Theo but he can't see the manipulations going on. Instead, Scott chooses to take Stiles' actions (as heard through Theo) as an attack against himself and his morals because he feels the need to assert control on his broken-down pack. Basically, Scott makes the problem about himself, not Stiles -- and because of that he can't see how broken Stiles is, how hurt and traumatized he's become. Stiles is so messed up between guilt and terror-- not just for himself but mostly for his dad-- that he can't mentally or emotionally accept the very vivid reality that Donovan came closesr than anyone before to killing him and then his father. Donovan assaulted him, terrorized him, played with him like prey and all the time threatened the one person he loves most. So Stiles prefers to focus on the 'why' of his actions-- because the circumstances are too horrific for him to face.
Exactly scott was a horrible best friend in this scene what stiles did to Donovan was self defense and scott shouldn't have believed a stranger theo over his best friend who has been by his side no matter what and would believe Scott over theo any day
@@dariusdontplay6565 exactly and when he finally finds out what Theo is really like instead of apologizing to his best friend Stiles he lies and says Stiles trusted Theo too which is a lie
This the problem: -Scott believed somebody he met for five minutes over someone he known his entire life. -Neither of them can explain themselves fully (good jobs writers 😒) -they literally kept Peter ass around and he’s killed so really, compared to how many people Peter killed to Stiles, I’d say Scott’s a little hypocritical. -I get that he’s mad about Stiles lying to him but literally almost everyone on the shoe has lied to him at some point throughout the seasons
Your comparing a random person to someone Scott have known his whole life is the first mistake with this comment. He could care less about Peter lying to him because he knows it's in his nature to lie but Scott never thought his own best friend who is practically a brother would lie to him about something this big. Did you not see the part where Scott wanted to hear stiles side of what happened because he wasn't sure what to believe yet? And all stiles did was tried to keep him from learning the truth like he didn't do it in self defense. After finally telling Scott the truth Scott told him if he told him that from the start none of the events wouldn't have happened because he knows the difference between being a ruthless killer and just defending yourself. Stiles made himself suspicious when he refused to tell his side of things.
@@jmdevon5117 i think it was also the "some of us have to get our hands a little bloody!" i would've thought he was a cold-blooded murderer from that in my own opinion.. but if he were to say "he was going to kill me, I had no choice" i would've immediately believed him.
Here is the problem. Stiles made a deal with theo. Lies to scott for DAYS. Went behind his back and tried to “take care” of donovan WHEN SCOTT WAS SUPPOSED BRING HIM IN
I understand that he should have told Scott but Scott is definitely not more of a victim here. Stiles was defending himself and has never killed someone before, that sort of thing can haunt you and with stile’s character we all know he isn’t mentally okay so this kinda of thing just makes his mentality worse. So although telling Scott would have been preferable, he wasn’t ready. He could barely comprehend it himself let alone say anything about it without going into a full blown panic attack, plus he still has that darkness around his heart and a little bit of void in him, it was gonna happen eventually it just happened too soon
I don't think Scott would have trusted Theo as much as he did if Isaac was still around, I think things would have been different. If both Stiles AND Isaac didn't trust someone, neither would Scott.
Stiles didn’t mean to kill him. It was self defense and Scott should have let him explain that. He trusted Theo someone he hast seen in a long time who just randomly shows up. They have been through so much and for Scott just to turn his back on Stiles is wrong. Stiles is human. He has no supernatural ability to help him. He never meant to kill Donavan(in my opinion) The reason he didn’t try explain it was self defense honestly I think it’s because Stiles is such a person he thought it wasn’t self defense. This episode made me so mad and sad.
@@heirdamian lol he didn’t hit him repeatedly with the crowbar, that’s the lie Theo told Scott and that he blindly accepted instead of directly asking Stiles for his exact version of events. Stiles actually only got to hit Donovan 1 time with the crowbar after he bites him, that’s why it has blood on it, but that only gave Stiles enough time to run and hide in the library where there was some scaffold/plataform that he was trying to climb when Donovan found him but because Stiles was weaker the only way he could defend was with an smart move, so stiles let fall some bars on the scaffold and one went through Donovan, thats how he died.
Scott had what was coming to him if he would of just listen to stiles instead of being a blind trusting Jesus wanna be he would not have gotten killed and his pack would not have fallen apart.
That line where stiles says “some of us are human” reeeeally gives me chills and makes me sad 🥺 also is it just me or is stiles seriously hot in this scene 😂🔥
I remember watching this. Scott pissed off I ended up throwing my remote at my door. I can't believe Scott believe someone he don't really know over someone he been best friends with since they was little kids. I still never forgive Scott for this. I always been team Stiles
Scott didn’t deserve Stiles. SMH. He just ignored him all the time. Just like when he told scott he didn’t trust Theo. And Scott ignored him. Then when Scott got betrayed by Theo he was crawling back to stiles. Like 🧍🏾♀️
Exactly, writers always do this shii whereby the characters can't accurately explain what happened. Stiles literally did not mean to kill Donovan and Scott was not there to see what happened. The way Theo explained the situation to Sheriff Stilinski is exactly how Stiles should've explained it to Scott
@@joyshaba713 so do i but scott had to trust that stiles would never kill anyone on purpose as it is his best friend not some one he has seen for five minutes
I'm on stiles side 100% but he meant to kill donovan. He pulled the pin out that cause the metal rods to fall and Pearce through him. And no Scott would still be mad because Scott is delusional and he got that "no matter what happens don't kill" mentality.
@@eliasheath4484 No he did not mean to kill Donovan. Who tf pulls a pin holding metal rods and thinks "Yea, this is totally gonna pierce them through their chest,...let's do it!! ". Like No. He meant to keep Donovan away from him and knock him down not kill the dude. That was a complete mistake that scarred him badly.
This is literally the most frustrating scene in television history. I swear, to all the people who think Scott just flat out didn’t believe stiles, it’s not that. ITS THAT NEITHER OF THEM CLARIFIED WHAT THEY WERE SAYING!?!?! Scott heard from Theo that it wasn’t self defense and Stiles brutally MURDERED the guy, and WHAT does Stiles say?!?!? He was gonna kill my dad!!!! He never clarified what actually happened and that he didn’t even MEAN for the guy to die!!!! So SCOTT THINKS HE’S TRYING TO JUSTIFY MURDERING HIM CAUSE BOTH THINK THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT AND THE OTHER KNOWS THE SAME EVENTS!!!!!!
@@RockyAexiiy I KNOW and I hate how people try to use this to justify hating Scott then cause they don’t even realize Scott didn’t really know what happened!!!!
@@saramcnick7022 AND They even talked about it properly in part where they were getting Kira. Scott WISHED they would’ve kept talking and he would’ve reacted differently😩
@@saramcnick7022 and because Stiles is the fan favorite. I agree Scott with this no one can tell attitude is super annoying but he really does keep try to help
I seriously hated Scott's self righteous attitude in this scene. His best friend was hurting and all Scott could do was reprimand him for being HUMAN and needing to defend himself.
Same. Honestly I just hated Scott’s character entirely. In the begin I could understand, he was a human not long ago, only just turned 16, and he couldn’t accept being a werewolf. However this got old quickly. The biggest probably I have with Scott is a few things. One, he is a massive hypocrite. He says he hates being a werewolf yet the first chance he got, he used his powers to get the life he wants.(girl, sport champ, popularity) Then he whines about how sad and unfair it is to be a werewolf, because all his new gifts come with a few downsides. Then their is his whole martyr complex. Now don’t get me wrong I respect people that try to do the justice and right thing. But I hate behaviour based on idealistic and naive ideas and thinking. Scott was so frustrating, because he knew he was a supernatural, thus part of the supernatural world. A world that doesn’t operate or care for normal human laws or justice. Yet when it comes down to it he refuses to make the hard decisions that will keep himself and everyone he loves safe. Such as killing Deucalion or Jennifer. Also it not like he doesn’t understand why sometimes it better to just kill someone. I mean half if not more of his friends where all killers. So many issues could have been prevented if he just was willing to make the hard decisions. Take for example the hunters that came for him and his friends during the dead-pools and hunters Arcs. The people trying to kill them and all supernatural, we’re terrible people, literal assassins. Yet he refuses to kill any of them even though it would be for the better of all supernatural people. Finally is the fact that Scott became their leader. I’m mean what the actual fuck. Scott has zero leadership qualities. He’s naive, idealistic, emotional, lacking foresight and strategic intelligence. And most importantly he is not will to make the hard decisions for those he leads. He would rather his friends or family die, then get his hands dirty. That’s why I hated Scott, the only reason people joined him was for 3 reasons. Most obviously he is the MC. Secondly I’ll admit, he is good at befriending people, he got charisma. Thirdly most people that joined him were desperate and didn’t really have any other options, as he was the only alpha available.(Isaac, twins, Peter, malia, Liam, even Theo) Thus to conclude I despise his annoying, obnoxious, immature and naive personality. After season 6 I can say with confidence, that if we being realistic his pack and him won’t last long under his leadership against armies of human hunters wanting to kill them all. If you read this well thanks I guess, just need to rant about this frustrating character.
This was the scene that put me off Scott’s character. Stiles was arguably the best friend a guy could have, whereas Scott didn’t even support him? He didn’t murder Donovan, he saved himself from a crazed wendigo. Scott’s initial reaction to be like “omg but you killed him” was just him showing how much of a shitty friend he was.
See, this is what I hated about how they wrote the scott character…he never was a alpha, always left stiles hanging…forgave everyone, but stiles. It made me hope, for stiles to become a wolf and some how become alpha. I don’t know if I’ll watch the movie, especially if Dylan O’Brien isn’t in it, but Ian Bohen and Tyler Hoechlien (sp?) are…so I probably will.
Scott should have NEVER believed what Theo said over Hearing Stiles Story. He's knows Stiles literally been there since day 1 protecting and defending everyone. Saving probably more lives than Scott himself. He had no right to believe Theo in the first place. And that's why i'm so angry with this scene. They are brothers, after everything Stiles did for him, he owed him to at least ask stiles calmly what happened. I know it was the writers who made this scene and honestly, it sucked that they even made it like thi s because no! Stiles has an unmeasurable loyalty to Scott, like wtf.
I know that there's a lot leading up to this scene, but I still like it because it kind of shows naïve nature of Scott vs stiles being, at least, a little more ruthless/cold blooded than him imo.
Scott is like amber from invincible I bet if was Allison he would have forgave her instantly like when Peter told Scott he was only killing people who was responsible for the hale fire and he was going to go after the argents Scott said they probably where bad
I understand Scott's view of this, especially cause Stiles lied way too much. I'm on Stiles' side though, because that's his DAD. If it was my dad, I wouldn't care if Scott didn't believe me. That's his DAD.
The say you believe me at 1:35 scott looks terrified. I love the fact that he is an alpha and he's scared of a human with a wrench it's kind of ironic to pale and sickly as he's described as in the earlier seasons by Peter
Tbf, Scott still hasn't processed the trauma from when Stiles was possessed by Void and then stabby stabbed. Considering they are once again at the vet clinic, in the rain, and Stiles is holding what Scott assumes is a murder weapon, Scott was probably having some major flashbacks right there.
I think people forget Scott has forgiven anyone literally everyone for everything that’s his character. He wants to be there for everyone and save everyone and doesn’t think logically.
This is a hard ep to watch and heartbreaking I don't hate Scott, but I am disappointed in him for not believing Stiles his best friend and just ask some more questions and just hear Stiles side of the story. Stiles is human and was fighting for his life and was scared as hell to talk about it to Scott because he knows Scott's feeling about not killing and everything is black and white with Scott so stiles was scared and worried about it. If they could have talked more and Theo did not fuck it up like the ass hat he is then well I do not know? it could have ended differently.
Honestly, this scene made me so angry, because Scott never knew the full story and believed Theo, someone who was totally bad news from the start. Yes, Stiles wanted to keep his dad from being killed, but Donovan also attacked him. He wasn't trying to kill him, it just happened that way. But Scott is kinda being a terrible friend, plus Stiles sees them as brothers, Scott should know that Stiles would never purposefully kill someone.
Scott and Stiles was seriously one of the best friendships in ANY high school TV show. This scene adds so much depth to their characters and their friendship. They were the best part of season 5.
Scott should’ve believed stiles at this moment in time. I get it’s hard looking at what Scott thought were the facts. But they’re brothers. Scott should’ve believed him and helped him figure out what to do next and been there for him
“When it’s not self defense anymore-“ bro thinks he picked him up and skewered him on that pipe (or beam? Idk) or whatever??? He obviously fell during the fight from a high place what does he honestly think went down? Crazy jump to a crazy conclusion fr
@@RockyAexiiy the way he’s mad at his friend for defending himself against a person tryna kill him and his dad. Stiles even asked scott how he could fix things between them and he didn’t even his answer his question
Scott and Stiles are both at fault here. Both of them were communicating poorly. In Scott’s mind, Stiles was doubling-down on the way he brutally murdered Donovan and trying to justify it. In Stiles’ mind, Scott isn’t understanding that it was an accident and he had no choice. Neither of them were elaborating on their respective perspectives and asking the right questions to get to the truth. I agree with the majority in thinking that it’s ridiculous Scott believed Theo. At the same time, Scott was going through a lot of mental struggles (which he isn’t used to) and being severely manipulated by Theo. I don’t think one is at fault more than the other but instead, it was 50/50. At the end of the day, it was all Theo’s fault.
Yes. Plus people like to say why can he forgive everyone but not Stiles? Because he never expect that from Stiles, he tought Stiles was better and when he find out he felt betrayed. Most people do that I hate how people only watch a show but dont see the characters being very human
@@deliacozo8542absolutely. when it comes to scott, fans as well as characters in the show itself seem to forget that he’s also HUMAN. with the information scott had (wrong or not) his emotions and feelings are for lack of a better word, normal. they’re human emotions. he’s just such a selfless character that people within the show and fans forget that he too has feelings. HUMAN feelings.
@@katienewell3758 Yes. Idk* mean did anyone said something when Stiles acussed Scott at the hospital? People just dont like people who want to see the good side
If Peter were here, he would manipulate three of them including Theo and trying to get Scott's Alpha power by killing him, and after that he will bite Stiles
This scene just another reason to hate Scott and he was a horrible best friend to Stiles in this scene he should have believed Stile with what happened with Donovan was an accident period and trusted his best friend instead of Theo because if the situation was reversed Stiles would believe Scott over anyone else any day and i don't blame Stiles when he punches Scott in the hospital later because he deserved it
@@brysonoduyela5779 Stiles tried to tell Scott that bit Scott already believed Theo and just kept accusing Stiles u killed him and didn't care when Stiles said Donovan was going to kill his dad
@@erindavidson2534 but he didn’t though he could’ve said he was trying to kill me but all he kept saying was I had no choice and he was gonna kill my dad. Scott’s not worried about the he was going to kill his dad part cause his dad wasn’t in immediate danger. To me they both could’ve communicated better.
@@brysonoduyela5779 well I respect your opinion but I still think only Scott was wrong and this scene is just one of the reasons I hated Scott and thought he was a horrible best friend to Stiles
This is the reason I hate Scott McCall now I think he's a Bad TrueAlpha he believed theo over his own best friend that's sad I rather Derek or Peter or stiles or Liam to be the TrueAlpha not Scott or theo
It’s hard to believe that Scott and stiles both have good reasons over this like Scott was right about a few things like u can’t kill someone and stiles was also right about a few things too like he couldn’t let his father die because that is that stiles only have left and family comes first and Scott needs to know that like Scott has a family and would do anything for them including protecting them from anyone like peter hale and Gerard argent . It may not be good to kill someone but if someone is coming to kill someone you love u need to protect them like Scott would have done the same thing if he was in stiles shoes
