Seeing new people react to FNAF lore is fuckin hilarious due to the shear amount of differing theories and weird concepts that seem to come from nowhere.
@@chriskoloski32cuz this timeline is ass matpat contradicted himself with the micheal being haunted in fnaf 4 then said the crying child is getting haunted, make up your mind matpat
@@Dea2766Puffer views when they are required to use 1 brain cell, dumbass MatPat specifically meant that Crying Child WOULD be scared of the nightmare animatronics if Elizabeth died first, not to mention Michael draws Nightmare Fredbear in the security logbook confirming he somehow saw the nightmare animatronics
@@Dea2766what he was saying is that both Mike and the crying child experienced the nightmares, while fnaf 4 actually happens as Mike getting nightmares from remembering them after fnaf1. Yea, it's confusing for no reason
@@chocom0nst3r33 it's full of contradictions and asspullls and shit that just doesn't make sense. After all, it's a theorie about the lore from a shitty game that was never meant to be more then 3 games.
The biggest issue with any theory that goes into depth is that the franchise has been retconned so many times. That is why matpat’s theory, which tried to also sequence the events, sometimes has inconsistencies, because the final story of the franchise, which is what this is, was not the story that was planned at the beginning
There never was a story planned at the beginning to be fair. Scott made Five Nights at Freddy’s as his final attempt at game creation after games such as The Desolate Hope and Chipper and Co didn’t work out. It was only after the successful blow up of the game that he realized he could really make something out of it. However even then, in his interview with Dawko, he admits that originally the story was supposed to end at FNaF 3.
@@PanAndProudThe news paper clippings in Fnaf 1 did have lore in them as well as some of Phone Guy’s calls and that was pretty much it at the time. Scott did say in an interview that he left some of the details open ended just in case he wanted to make another Fnaf game and expand on the lore.
@@elijahsmall5873that’s different that’s him saying if he wanted and got enough good feedback he’d have smth to come back too but the fnaf community thinks he’s fucking god and saying that he had a complete story setup from the get go
Scott never retconned except for one time. What makes everything so complicated is that he didn't want to retcon, yet had to reboot the series so many times, and make everything connected despite it not meant to connect
i think matpat had the theory correct but scott nvr planned on Help wanted or security breach he stoped at 3 but due to demand made 3 more games and the simulator was the end of the franchise and ultimite custom night being the hell william would be in and that would be the best ending overall but ofc money and fame makes them make more and more games.
Puffer is definitely the parent or kid that won’t stop asking questions during a movie instead of just watching and the answer be given to him in the next minute
the game is so captivating and the lore is so interesting, yet the unnecessary complexities and the sheer amount of obvious retcons due to inconsistencies make it so annoying. and the absolute audacity of the wonderful and crafty creator of this series to state that ge has only retconned one single thing from the story when he's very clearly changed the story from game to game and from Mathew Patrick theory to Mathew Patrick theory.
Watching MatPat initially introduce the books into the lore of fnaf was like watching a chef cook an absolutely exquisite tomato soup and pouring in a can of diced pineapples midway through the recipe
if the books have nothing to do with the lore, why do they even exist? like I agree that matpat's interpretation is awful but the fact that the fandom has completely ignored an entire book series worth of lore just doesn't sit right with me, like surely there's something to gather from them
I haven’t kept up for about a year or two but this video from Matpat doesn’t make any sense to me, and rewatching Markiplier’s FNAF series, I thought the FNAF 4 animatronics were literary what the crying child saw since he was scared of them (That’s why they’re called NIGHTMARE animatronics) but yeah he’s been studying this shit for years so what do I know 🤷♂️
@@lilgabriel0517bassically every new game released significantly changes the lore and ruins previous theories. Fnaf vr aka help wanted) made fnaf 1-3 in universe game as in games that exist in tge fnaf universe that were made tk make light of the whole murder incident. That's where it went down. They should have stopped after ultimate custom night
Matpat's videos often assume you've been following the previous theories, and strongly sticks to the idea that the "Book Timeline" closely correlates to the "Game Timeline", or that events, lore, and technology present in the books should have something of similar or equal existence in both versions of events. For example, sound being used to alter a person's cognition is something used in one of the books. As such, a similar phenomena should exist in the games, explaining Matpat's interpretation of the Nightmare animatronics. I get the feeling that if Scott, or any other developer were to confirm any theory or timeline as "canon", it would be his solely due to popularity and how much it explains all the weird developmental decisions they've made of the years.
The problem with that though is that the books heavily contradict the few facts we actually have from the games. He selectively chooses what pieces of the books are "canon" as to better support his own theories and then conveniently ignores the rest. (If the books are indeed, facts, then I want to see this man _try_ to explain how "In the Flesh" fits perfectly into the grand over-arching plotline. I don't even care about the confirmation of the supernatural, the science fiction robots, or even the time travel and haunted pocket dimensions; I just want him to explain *_in detail_* how Mpreg was planned all along and how it makes perfect sense in accordance to the games.)
No one here seems to understand parallelism and narrative analysis, which explains why y'all fail to understand the books and hate them so much. Keep seething.
Which is complete bullshit he pulled out his ass no less! The only piece of "evidence" for this is the singing show poster...which one can easily attribute to the pizzaplex using old cartoon style and other nostalgic stuff for marketing
@@byronclark7652 that's the only piece of "evidence" for this fanfiction actually being the case! Are we REALLY at a point where we're looking at a random one-off poster and creating an entire childhood off of it? Y'ALL BITCHES READ TO FAR INTO SHIT!
@@byronclark7652 hell yes it's a reach, there's literally NO plot development around William's childhood! If it mattered we'd have already gotten lore about it. Absolute nonsense....
@@aubergineman3205 Anything is going to be a reach. Or do you not know how theories and hypotheses work or are formed? The point is, in the 1930s (and all the way into the 50s, which makes more sense to me personally), those types of shows were common in the region. That establishes a pretty good motive to move into business. Considering we have the poster in Security Breach, why shouldn't we make the assumption that's the root of inspiration for the restaurant franchise? Burden of proof to prove it wrong is on YOU. It's a theory. Based on an observation. That's how theories are formed. Doesn't mean it's real, doesn't mean it's not a reach, but it does have a tangible piece of the game attached to it in a game series that uses stupidly obscure hints to make plot points off of. How do you think we got lore in the beginning of this franchise? But that's okay, disagree if you want. I'm not going to call you absolutely ridiculous or say you're being nonsensical. Just because it doesn't fit the theory you like doesn't make it less probable. Just remember that the next time you complain about something becoming canon or being confirmed in another theory you didn't like. In short, yes, it's a reach. ALL theories are. And, you didn't give a reason why it can't other than we have no plot point...... And that's a weak argument. And, that's the point of theories: to try and figure them out.
@@h_r_huffnstuff789every f*cking theory video from every f*cking theorist ever has a million contradictions, chat only takes it out on matpat because he is the kost known
To explain the sound thing, there are studies that suggest, if not outright prove, that certain sounds are capable of messing with human perception or feelings by essentially screwing with the auditory sensors in one's brain and ear canals, sort of like how you can predictably glitch old SNES games by bumping the cartridge. Such sounds are usually not audible to the human ear, sort of like a dog whistle. AFAIK they can't do it to the level of causing major illusions, certainly not predictable illusions, but it's implied in FNAF's bizarre lore that Afton designed sound devices that used these noises to make his son hallucinate the Nightmares.
In all fairness you could even go as far as bring up the limbic system, in this system of the Brain, our minds takes in information through the the thalamus (our 5 senses)and records these information through the hypocampus we're these information can be stored and have emotional response attached to those memories by amygdala while also cause chemicals to be injected in the brain by the hypothalamus.
FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONS WENDIGOON’S VIDEO! His version of the events is my canon version of the main timeline. I like to split fnaf lore into different timelines, security breach is one timeline, books and stuff is one timeline, and then there’s the main timeline which is fnaf 1-7.
1:32:43 The state he was in when he got scooped stayed the same. He essentially became a remnant fueled spirit at that point. An anamatronic, if you will, who, instead of being trapped in a suit with an endoskeleton, he was trapped in his dead, decaying body from when he was alive. He lives on, but only because his soul is attached to his flesh via remnant.
The thing about understanding the fnaf lore is that; 1. It’s MESSY 2. You need to be open to the possibilities 3. Everyone has different opinions and theories as to what happens Can’t understand 1 and you’ll just be even more confused than it already is. If you can’t do 2, then 3 is impossible to understand. The best way to sum up understanding the fnaf lore is to take every single theory video with a grain of salt. Otherwise you’ll anger much more than your next door neighbor.
This would've made more sense to puffer if he hadn't skipped the explainations to the prior theories. Chat really didn't help either. Seeing both just having 0 patience to FNAF us funny af.
Watching the reactions Puffer has when he gets mind-blowing revelations over the theorized story of the FNAF games is so funny to me. If I didn’t have childhood attachments to the FNAF series I’d watch this just for entertainment purposes 😂
Even more funny how there are kids with more patience than this man. I mean sure the video is long but why in the hell watch it if all you are going to do is "bla bla bla i don't wanna listen"
58:12 Matpat used pictures of the suits in editing just as a visual guide. Letting you know which animatronics he was talking about. All the endoskeletons look pretty much the same after all.
1:00:00 this is why you never win a debate against a fnaf fan but the fact puffer actually remember what mat says and is actively debating people is funny
he also completely ruined the theory when he says both brothers went through nightmares, then 5 minutes later he says only mike went through them, then only crying child, and chat fr defended it with their life💀💀💀💀
@@jadecoolness101 he still says the reason the nightmare animatronics had mouths in their stomach because of what crying child saw, and that henry somehow knew that william was the person in the springlock suit???
@@st0832 Matpatt actually never specifically said that henry knew that william was in that. All he said was that henry looked at it and left without saying a word
@@jadecoolness101bro because who tryna watch more bullshit for a fucking game that supposedly have “lore” that the creator DOESNT JUST WANT TO MAKE CANNON LORE SO THE CONTENT CREATORS FANS AND GAMERS CAN STOP THINKING AND PULLING THEORIES OUT THERE ASS. Just to finalize it if the creator says this is the lore no more 1000s of videos saying different lore everytime but ig money and fame is a thing, so honestly fuck the lore and just enjoy the god damn game
44:18 he has two theories The first one is The crying Childs death before Circus babys incident and The another one around,so thats why he pictures both Mike and crying Childs seeing The nightmare animatronics
I feel so bad that we put puffer through this. MatPat has literally admitted that the lore of fbaf has made him suffer for a decade, then he makes a timeline theory that spreads that suffering lol
exactly, he doesent sit still he doesn't slow down he doesn't even finish the fucking video and then complains when when something doesn't make sense if he just wanted the story why not use matpats full conjoined video instead of the parts that have the explanations?
@@poog6064matpat literally said he did it to make a clean story of what happens in the timeline then explains his placement of events later as to not disrupt the flow of the vid, he says it at the start I’m pretty sure
@@RGBFurry this lore started in the 1930's and is still going up to the 2040's. The wife should be dead. Their is no point in understanding this shit. Unless if you wanna explain how the wife found this fountain which made her immortal.
Can I just say that yes I can agree that matpat does bring up Afton's motivations better to light; but the previous foretold timeline in the last explanation video felt it did a lot better flushing this whole afton era arc better
@@critter3771 nightmare bb being canon by ucn which bb was made long after cc was dead there no bb toy the girl has I checked and the fact the pills with flowers which cc can't see SINCE HE IN A COMA
Seeing Puffer struggle to deal with this lore is so understandable. Out of all lore videos, the second video is still the best. Wendigoon is still an option tho lol.
The second video was honestly horrible, he explained the lore very lazily and he just notes off remnant and whines about it being cringe and refusing to use the books even when clearly the books help solve fnaf lore.
@@_Dr_Fatebecause remnant is SO FUCKING CRINGE! It used to be just understandable supernatural means but turning possession into a scientific "inject fluid into body" Frankenstein bullshit made everything confusing and turned the scary, dark down to earth story into mad scientist cringe. The games taking remnant from the books was one of the worst mistakes imaginable!
@@_Dr_FateI thought it was amazing for many reasons but the big reason why I loved it was that it talked about the one thing Fnaf fans and theorists alike tend to ignore which was that Scott never had the story planned out from the beginning and that he clearly reconned the series in SL. Before that, every little detail or “Easter egg” pointed at Dream Theory which seemed to be canon at the time of Fnaf 4 so you can’t use evidence from Fnaf 4 to support anything in the later games (which is something Matt and a lot of theorists tend to forget about). I also loved his attempt at explaining Midnight Motorist and why the house in that mini game looks different from the one in Fnaf 4 while also being in two completely different locations mind you. His video also had a lot less biases compared to MatPat’s and he tried to use as much evidence to support what he was saying without making things too confusing or long winded. Also, he did use the books at times in his theory and not everything in the books is confirmed to happen in the games. For ex, things like the illusion disks from the Twisted Ones being in the games is still a theory and isn’t confirmed yet. “He whines about it being cringe” Yeah, that’s HIS opinion.
As a long time fnaf fan, I completely agree that a lot of this is kinda bullshit and some of it does feels like it's just being pulled out of Matpat's ass. BUT we shouldn't be blaming Matpat, he's just trying to make sense of the crazy shit that Scott made. He didn't give a fuck about continuity and was more focused on stylistic choices, like changing the way Afton looks to make him seem "scarier". There's also the whole thing with him saying that there are no gaps in lore just gaps in our understanding. I feel like Scott was not planning a lot of this out completely, especially with several of the games being meant to be the last game. As much as I love fnaf, Scott fucked a lot of things up with his bad story telling. Sorry if I make any grammar mistakes, I'm not the best at that stuff. Also sorry if this was a lot of me repeating myself I just feel like Scott did a bad jobs with some of the lore.
Scott told the story quite well, considering MOST of the lore makes sense up to pizza sim and ucn. Then Steel Wool came in and completely destroyed the consistency, not letting any souls rest, and starting a new era that's just incredibly hard to piece together.
@beef3442 fnaf 4 itself made sense in context with the first 3, the first 3 were dreams, and the gameplay of fnaf four was, well, a nightmare as he was dying in the hospital. Sister location reconned the story for it to be real instead of a dream, which can still have it make sense. Things just needed to be shifted around. Fnaf 6 closed it all together with Henry trapping all the souls that haven't passed on and burning them, bringing an end to the pain of Fazbears. UCN was a funny epilogue, showing Williams eternal hell.
@@cccc8141 UCN was not only a funny torture device for William's, but also that the gameplay allow us to try out most of the animatronics in the franchise (if not all) altogether. That's a pretty good closure of a game series right there honestly.
This is like the biggest train wreck ever between the wildness of MatPat talking over theories and Puffer & Chat going wild. Back and forth & back and forth it's beautiful and horrible to watch. I couldn't look away
26:22 No, Mochael is in his own room when we play as him. Notice in the cut-scenes the Crying Child's room only has one door and no closet? We play as the Crying Child in the cutscene. And Michael in the actual game.
All the weird inconsistencies you see are why the timelines only a theory, there are a bunch of plot holes in the games themselves that make putting it all together sorta impossible. Basically until Scott (the creator) straight out says what’s what we’re probably not gonna get any answers
Yeah this shit complicated as hell, but btw the only retcon is between fnaf 4 and sister location there haven’t been others after that, there might be some minor ones before but there haven’t been any after
@@plus9775 are they? I'm pretty sure they're one-in-the-same.... You got natural possession: souls And artificial possession: remnant Both possessions with a soul
Puffer the type of pedestrian to go to a movies with his buddies and ask questions during the movie instead of waiting till the end to see if his questions get answered
Puffer: *loses his mind because MatPat "contradicts" his theories* Also Puffer: *completely ignores the explanations and the reasons for those explanations in the beginning* Like, MatPat does address the age thing with William Afton, but you skipped over it. The same with other things. Don't get mad at the theory just because you didn't pay attention.
I wonder when people will tell him that Remnant isnt something unique to children - its just soul metal, the soul doesnt have to be a child's - thats how Afton, Micheal, etc are still alive lmao It just so happens that almost all remnant in this series is based on children. . . thats a dark ass line
The sound thing is true. A human mind cannot hear anything above a certain sound level. Applied perfectly with decibels the sound level can make you see things the player wants.
I like how Puffer gradually losing it everytime he watches these fnaf theories. Especially this theory and how he points out every single confusing thing that happens in the timeline.
Watching you completely say matpat is wrong when you watched 2 videos of fnaf lore when he has been studying and observing it for 8 years is both infuriating and comdiec at the same time
Puffer is basically trying to learn how to use quantum physics to make water not wet in order to tell how long little Johnny will have 20 apples and he loses 6
its funny how clueless puffer is sometimes because in the first vid MatPat said how inconsistent the timeline and how rewritten it is and he was going to go over each bit in a different episode and completely ignored that part then complained the entire time about how it doesn't make sense when in truth it doesn't but not in the way he is thinking
Tbh, the books clear some things up. Some, but not all, and can give answers to the games if not directly. Which is how we found out of some of the missing chidlren incidents, the dates, etc. Edit: Oh yeah Micheal is revelaed in sister location as a shadow, which was revealed to be a still picture of Rick. Astley. So yeah thats what he looks like out of 8-bit.
@@aubergineman3205 still too many times tbh, it makes the lore infinitely more complicated because FNAF 4 doesn’t work anymore. Plus my head cannon is that he retconned after FNAF 6 as well. The lore after FNAF 6 makes literally zero sense.
Hopefully I can clear I few things up. 1. The placement of Sister Location is wrong. Recent theories have it placed after the Missing Children Incident (MCI) but before FNAF 2. This allows Micheal to be scooped before FNAF 2, we can have Funtime Foxy as Mangle in FNAF 2, and William would have the motive to build an animatronic with a claw in it’s stomach because he has already lost a child and had already killed. 2. The reason why Micheal and the crying child conflict in the FNAF 4 part of the theory is because that is where a retcon happened. We know Micheal saw the nightmares because of the Security Logbook, but we also know that we should be playing as the Crying Child in FNAF 4. But, the Night 1 phone call easter egg indicates that we play as Micheal because he would be the one that heard it. Anyways, FNAF 4 will never fit cleanly into a theory because of its retcon. 3. The fourth part doesn’t really matter because it was immediately disproved like 2 weeks after MatPat posted the theory 4. The FNAF 2 animatronics aren’t possessed. Aftom didn’t put the bodies in those animatronic, he just left those lying in the hall. They FNAF 2 kids were killed as a way to get back at Henry for re-opening without Afton. Remember, we are in the mind of a serial killer, he doesn’t believe that what he did was wrong, therefore he doesn’t believe he should’ve been kicked out the company.
It was never a retcon at all Micheal being FNAF four protagonist made more sense how would the cc in a coma see flowers and pills also how would he know about bb who was created long after his death to make him as a nightmare which by the way night mare bb is confirmed canon by ucn also I check there no bb toy that the girl has Cc was never the protagonist and was never a retcon
Also wrong again on fourth I have no idea why you dumb as heck people think the toys are not possessed WHEN PG HIMSELF SAYS THERE ACTING MORE STRANGER than before
1:32:11 Chat made such terrible claims but I think the only way I can try to make this work was that when he got scooped back in sister location era, the reminense of the animatronics inside of him manage to stay inside him. This was said in 54:42 after the animatronics hijacking Michael's body dipped, some reminense could have stuck to Michael and kept him alive. The fire probably didn't kill him either like William. But that would mean someone wouldn't LET Michael die the same way Cassidy didn't let William die. So there is a chance that the crying child who was also in Golden Freddy like Cassidy wouldn't let Michael die since he is still angry at him, but instead of keeping him in a personal Hell like William, his soul was left alive wandering the world and with the help of the reminense he manage to take control of Glamrock Freddy. I might be wrong asf but it's the only way I can put the pieces together
Just gonna say this but I love wendigoons explanation of the lore. He says things that could go against what many fnaf fans think of the lore and it makes sense too
For the Micheal, nightmare animatronic thing you were super pissed about. If you think back to the first lore video you watched he said that FNAF 4 was supposed to be the end of the series and the rest that came after was a retcon. I think when FNAF 4 came out you were supposed to be the crying child, but the rest of the games retconned that so that instead they were attacking Micheal which explains the inconsistency.
I’d like to think remnant doesn’t come from kids, it’s just that William saw them as easier targets. Like I mean it’s easier to kill a kid and stuff them into suits vs a full grown adult who can fight back. Plus kids would 1) be easier to trick and 2) he could use the Fazbear idea to help him trick kids, that wouldn’t work on the adults
46:06 the original theory was that the daughter died first. He tells you why it cannot work therefore she had died later than the first son. The nightmares are for Michel but he didn't prevent the daughter from going because he thought he only need to tell her 'do not go see baby in my basement where I am working' was enough he thought he could stop her as where she died is in his house the same as his wife.
@@AlexiaHoardwingmatpat videos have more reasearch than u ever do in your entire life if u don't understand any of it then don't watch it Jesus , i agree with matpat timeline video if u don't then don't watch it its that easy
@@OriNaru Remember his Teddy is Yu's shadow theory? He states that only those bound by a contract may enter the velvet room (Backed up by dialogue), but then ignores the very next line that states: "It may be that such a fate awaits you in the near future." Just from that alone I have done more research then Matpat from the simple press of the 'X' Button. Just because I think he either does poor research or just wants to ignore evidence doesn't mean I think the videos can't be entertaining. I just don't see him having credibility for his facts. Thank you for responding. I hope you are having a great day.
@@AlexiaHoardwing You gonna explain an example of him not citing his sources? Cuz it was quite obvious your supposed to watch the vid after watching his videos on the theorys cuz he throws up some of his vids for certain reasons occaisonally
@@pixelspixelation6418 Okay how about this, I'll give multiple types of examples. Remember the stream he did playing Heartbound without crediting it as anything but Undertale? In his Sans is Ness theory he claims The Phase Distorter is behind the curtain in the underground lab, but then goes on to say it explains a lot without citing how we would know what's behind the curtain. Thank you for your response keeping me humble, and I want to reiterate I have nothing wrong with his videos in an entertainment sort of way. Feel free to reply, and hope you will have a great time today.
bro Puffer's rambling at 46:00 about the placement of Elizabeth's death and rewatching the MatPat video at that part has made me highkey agree with Puffer. It does make more sense for that to happen before 1983, and I never would've thought about it further without Puffer screaming at chat.
Bruh matpat literally explains why it happens after 1983, I nearly got tripped up there too cause I wasn’t paying attention for a few seconds when he said he had to address why he placed Elizabeth’s death where he did in the timeline which makes more sense for the timeline then if it occurs before the bite of ‘83
How does it make sense why would William be making murder machines and make a sister location when it was stated verbally after FNAF closure the stage was set
Honestly, I always find it hilarious when people who don't know FNaF Lore, look for the 'definitive' fnaf lore video. Because there is none. FNaF Lore is years of accumulated knowledge being applied to different theories and seeing what works and what doesn't. We're never working with a full timeline or complete lore, just facts we try to fit together like a puzzle piece. It's why I always recommend the entire matpat playlist to anyone who wants to invest the time (and starting steel wools involvement, other theorists as well, since they branched out from there). Not because it's 'the definitive correct answer', but because it's an archive of how fnaf theories and lore evolved, what knowledge was available and is just overall a better way to digest and learn the massive amount of info thrown at you and background knowledge required of you in modern fnaf videos.
Trying to learn FNAF at all is like being told to watch the class film, while taking notes, then making sure you don't get hit by the oncoming train that arrives at regular intervals. Nobody gets what the hell is happening in this franchise anymore.
I hate commenting shi like this cause it’s cringe but, thank you for the post puffer. I’m fighting depression rn, and you might have stopped me from triggering a relapse with this post. I started blanking out in my room, going through almost every bad interaction I’ve ever had, then started to go through a few with my ex. I started blaming myself for a lot then spaced out with occasional negative thoughts coming in then fading out again. Then this one certain memory played I almost just froze and got locked into reliving it but my phone buzzed and it was a notification from PufferTV. Almost every time I experience this I go through a horrible relapse to the point where I can almost barely move, but instead I’m able to watch some good content. So yeah, much appreciation man. Thanks for the laughs and hard work. Stay safe man🙏🏾
28:17 I will explain the whole “sound nightmares” thing. In short William learned how to make Micheal hallucinate the nightmares through the use of sounds and vibrations and other sensory input.
@@AlexiaHoardwing nope his videos are still largely considered correct, him and his team don’t get the lore wrong they just have some different interpretations to some people because it makes everything in the story fit. I’m guessing your saying matpat is wrong because other people who you watch, and probably like more than matpat, have different theories on what happens in the timeline.
@@nayld2070 Scott has stated: "The games and the books should be considered to be separate continuities, even if they do share many familiar elements. So yes, the book is canon, just as the games are. That doesn't mean that they are intended to fit together like two puzzle pieces. [...] The book is a re-imagining of the Five Nights at Freddy's story, and if you go into it with that mindset, I think you will really enjoy it." As for getting lore wrong, I meant his videos in general. Often they will ignore evidence that goes against the theory because they don't care about the theory being correct, but rather if the video is entertaining. Quite often some evidence will be used without a source being cited, and this is an issue that goes back years. Even in his Mario videos he claims to use a Mario timeline but doesn't cite anything official from Nintendo that validates it. Thank you for responding, I hope your day is going well.
@@AlexiaHoardwing the books being its own timeline and separate lore doesn’t mean that they’re irrelevant to the games, they’re still set in the same universe. there’s a lot of major game lore details that were in the book first. it would be crazy to release stories like the mimic and ggy and not expect people to not connect them to the games. and matpat’s acknowledged time and time again that they’re completely separate stories, which is why so much of his theories rely on trying to pick out what’s relevant and what’s not.
“sort memories people lives matter” i vaguely remember someone saying that in his comment might as well reworded this message (also apply to moistkritikal in one piece video)
I love how he called MatPat wrong multiple times and just proceeded to not even listen to the explanations! It reminds of our teachers from school when they punish me for fighting back against my bully! 😂
Literally if puffer didnt skip the helping bits in the first video that explians how he came up with he got this would make so much more sense plus MatPat has stated in previous timeline theories that you have to ignore previous events because they contradict certain key points its my belief that one day everything will fit nice and tight but the problem is well have no idea when that'll be
Also this is later on in the fnaf theories. In my experience, you have to watch MatPats videos from when they start to where they are now. That's how you'll understand.
@@personexisting123 true but still there’s a handful of moments where matpat would say something very clear or with certain implications that would fly straight over Puffers head lmao
1:03:56 Henry says the job listing wasn't meant for whoever the volunteer was. If Michael took the job, then who was it meant for? If Michael didn't take the job, who do you play as? Someone said that it couldn't have been for Michael since Henry thought he was dead, but if that's true then that brings back the question of who the job was for. Plus, if it was someone else, why would they not take the exit out? If it was Micheal who did take the job, then why would Henry think they would want to burn? The existence of those two lines complicates to much more of the lore the more you think about it.
the reason the *fnaf lore* is so *confusing* with so many plotdevices, plotholes and weird out-of-place stuff is because the story was made when the games were made, this means there was no planning beforehand, aswell as the fact that, multiple times, the creator, Scott Cawthon wasn't planning to continue the franchise (It was supposed to end in the third game, then the fourth, etc etc) But the creator didn't feel like he gave a proper ending to the series eacn time, and so there were retcons or mofications to the story each time a new game released which made the story more confusing. Add to that tne addition of the books, which, were different stories from the games, but Scott had said that many elements of them were canon to the mainline story, which just made things even more confusing The lore of the game is basically Scott and other fnaf theory youtube channels one-upping each other and trying to create a story, atleast, that's the phras i would use to summarize why the story has changed so many times, it simply doesn't make sense if scott had planned everything, he most likely took things from the theory videos and incorporated them into the story All that being said, i like fnaf, ive always liked fnaf since the beggining, and i thoroughly enjoy watching fnaf news from time to time, but its clear the story was made up by a coffee-driven Scott trying to piece things together himself as he is making the games, sometimes incorporating theories thag be himself likes
1:33:05 someone has probably already mentioned this but.. his skin turned purple from rotting but he couldn't die because of the silver metal that had merged with his body. That silver metal contained the remnant of the children, thus he technically had his own remnant; despite it probably being severally corrupted. Some of this theory doesn't make sense but I think it's kinda valid. Time to finish the video :). Also, I just learned from another video that remnant can be collected from living children, it's just a lot slower. Hence why the shipping company is perfectly fine doing what it's doing.
17:00 I never understood this part just because since the spring locks just activate animatronic mode and can’t act on there own while they are already triggered, this means either they failed while activated in animatronic mode, which doesn’t make sense or they was someone inside of the suit, meaning that they can now fail and they do because of the tears
I genuinely think he should’ve watched the mat lay one first because the theories are more strung together with reasons behind why they’re out together, minus the new stuff, but the other ones really just make stuff up with little to no reason and leave to many plot holes, so now it’s a battle of what is easier to understand and what makes sense
Tbf Puffer just skipped all of the explanations at the end of MatPats videos he doesn’t care about the how and why they got their he just wants a coherent story
1:15:09 No, she didn't murder kids. You can collect remnant from any strong emotion or feeling. It just gets you more or less depending on which emotion you get it from. She used happiness and surprise to gather remnant so it was a slow process.
The first 3 videos I believe are kind of the pretty much set in stone lore and what we have already solved, there are a few disputes about who dies first, the placement of SL, etc, but other than that the first 3 videos are pretty much definitive. The fourth video was pretty much thrown out the window with the most recent books which tore SB and HW wide open, and we have pretty much had to forget all thought we knew. I'd suggest watching a video on the Mimic to fully understand the last few games.
@@Whispersmith646 there is a reason. We know nothing. Even the creator of this entire shit show of a game universe knows how events fit together. It's bad
@@yourdad5799 that's not a reason to specifically go "He didn't solve anything" that makes it sound like it's all his fault. Say we haven't solved anything......... I'm now realizing there's a high chance that you meant to say "we" on your comment and that the "He" is a typo
