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Stop Swirling Your Espresso 

James Hoffmann
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I'm not the boss of you or anything, but... here's a fun little experiment to see if what I tasted matched up with what's actually happening.
All of this in the name of enjoying your coffee just a little more.
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@adamtousek7622
@adamtousek7622 5 лет назад
This kind of overly obsessive videos are the reason why this is my favourite coffee channel.
@MrDanDan182
@MrDanDan182 5 лет назад
100% agreed :D
@bloobeeblah
@bloobeeblah 5 лет назад
What other coffee channels do you recommend?
@davidforman6191
@davidforman6191 5 лет назад
@@bloobeeblah real chris baca. Similar vibe to the Hoff but from US. Barista hustle is another for in depth lectures. Tim Wendleboe is also good.
@lisagreenhalgh5977
@lisagreenhalgh5977 5 лет назад
Yep, completely agree with this!
@rivera2030
@rivera2030 5 лет назад
Agree! Obsessive without being pretentious.
@T1Man11
@T1Man11 Год назад
What I learned from this video is that we should be drinking espresso from wine glasses.
@moremustard
@moremustard Год назад
I thought exactly this.
@nunofr
@nunofr Год назад
Not only espresso, but filter-V60 in a Port wine shaped glass is a totally different experience. I have started tasting coffee in wine glasses after having participated in two Riedel wine glasses workshops and learned so much from those sessions. @jameshoffmann should be doing a similar blind tasting tests on coffees
@moremustard
@moremustard Год назад
@@nunofr This is a really neat idea. I think I might get a wineglass-shaped vessel for espresso and see how that goes...
@hendrikm9569
@hendrikm9569 Год назад
Thinking about size, I would suggest something like a Glencairn Glass.
@patrickchamberlain3980
@patrickchamberlain3980 10 месяцев назад
Exactly my thought - espresso cups are the wrong shape. Should I try a wine glass?
@HeadbangersKitchen
@HeadbangersKitchen 3 года назад
I trust you blindly for some reason.
@HumanTimeMachine
@HumanTimeMachine 3 года назад
That's cause he's Jimmy Hoffa
@buhkangliwayway
@buhkangliwayway 3 года назад
It’s the British accent
@dontgetgrabbed
@dontgetgrabbed 3 года назад
@@michaelsmith8367 I was also gonna say it’s the haircut lmao
@kmktime
@kmktime 2 года назад
😂🤣😂🤣🥳
@vincentdulpino8656
@vincentdulpino8656 2 года назад
No it's because James H's approach to most opinions/statements is don't take MY word for it, "I will test this very meticulously in front of you and then prove or disprove my hyothesis"....that is why I love this guy and follow him
@empt60
@empt60 2 года назад
As a chemical engineer, I can confirm that stirring is the superior choice here. Swirling can in some context be compared to what some sources call agitation, which is an inferior process which moves the liquid around in circles, but there is little to no actual "mixing" of the separate phases going on. One could argue that swirling long enough or violently enough would eventually produce the same results as stirring mechanically, but as for everything in espresso, the name of the game is consistency, so grab a spoon and mix that shot!
@stentoft01
@stentoft01 2 года назад
What if you first swirl and the swirl contra?
@craigb3548
@craigb3548 2 года назад
@@stentoft01 You'll just spill it twice.😀
@Nagria2112
@Nagria2112 2 года назад
And as my chem teacher always said... Storring doesnt mean scratching that glasware. If you stirr, you dont Touch the glass
@richeyrich2203
@richeyrich2203 2 года назад
Vortacies are the key to mixing and stirring is the key to creating a multitude of vortex within the coffee.
@caiusKeys
@caiusKeys Год назад
As an electrical engineer, I question whether I have the training necessary to have a valid opinion on this topic.
@springfieldleo6184
@springfieldleo6184 5 лет назад
"Espresso, stirred not swirled."
@brianbuday8639
@brianbuday8639 4 года назад
Springfield Leo thank you Mr. Bond ☕️
@ashmelville4421
@ashmelville4421 4 года назад
Its Hoffmann, james hoffmann
@Bengelibengan
@Bengelibengan 4 года назад
😆
@bram2320
@bram2320 4 года назад
How is that La Pavoni going, any improvement on your technique over that last shot?
@seabass8154
@seabass8154 3 года назад
Lol, just about to comment that until I saw yours.
@dananskidolf
@dananskidolf 3 года назад
40 seconds in, I thought "I'm going to need to order a tiny espresso stirring spoon by the end of this aren't I..."
@karlkrasnowsky3895
@karlkrasnowsky3895 2 года назад
I'm sure you can find an espresso specific set on Amazon for $300
@dananskidolf
@dananskidolf 2 года назад
@@karlkrasnowsky3895 I did buy a couple, then later a few more as I found them so cute XD But they're also perfect for the job at hand, and I'm always running out of spoons anyway, so I feel fully justified. Mind you, for £3 or so, they were a little more within my budget than what you had in mind ;)
@aureaphilos
@aureaphilos Год назад
Just don't become impatient and use a rubber-coated baby food spoon instead!! Probably the right size, but definitely a faux-pas!
@802spawn
@802spawn Год назад
​@@aureaphilos I did not need to be called out like that
@JaylewAF11
@JaylewAF11 4 года назад
Prior to watching this, I had actually never stirred my espresso. I always drank it straight focusing on the different layers. But after watching this I split a double shot into two single shot glasses and stirred one of them. I had the exact same impression you had! The layered shot had a lot of bitterness up front with a little burst of sweetness at the end, but the stirred shot was much more balanced and enjoyable as a whole. Thanks for this ultra-level of nerd-ery!
@vikramjadhav3631
@vikramjadhav3631 2 года назад
I independently discovered that mixing is better, although I did enjoy the different layers of tastes before.
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 Год назад
@@vikramjadhav3631 As Adam Ragusea would say, "Heterogeneity!"
@ignoram9us
@ignoram9us 4 года назад
"If you're a *café* that doesn't believe in *tea* spoons, shame on you" - James Hoffman.
@Skand
@Skand 4 года назад
I'm going to print a poster of this quote and hang it at my cafe.
@sielec1987
@sielec1987 4 года назад
Coffeespoons it is!
@medom1786
@medom1786 3 года назад
I read this as he was saying it
@NikoBellaKhouf
@NikoBellaKhouf 3 года назад
@@sielec1987 I'm going to call them that from now on
@rbmanb
@rbmanb 3 года назад
I've heard D spoons. Me: what the hell is D spoons.
@Imortalwine
@Imortalwine 5 лет назад
Your point on the wine glasses raises the question of the optimal shaped espresso cup. Potential future video.
@vhollund
@vhollund 5 лет назад
The most expensive coffee have been through the digestive system of an Algerian fox Scratch your butt before lifting the cup for the improvised eco-class version Life is good
@1HappyBob
@1HappyBob 4 года назад
Tom A one with a large base?
@user-bc7cb8uu7e
@user-bc7cb8uu7e 3 года назад
I'd actually find this very interesting. A proper glass can make a huge difference to wine or whisky, so it might also be an improvement here. Aroma is very important to coffee.
@Kyfow
@Kyfow 3 года назад
I would be very interested in seeing a micro sized, wine glass shaped espresso cup. Could make for a beautiful looking shot too!
@DeadGlassEyes
@DeadGlassEyes 3 года назад
Wouldn't that just funnel heat though?
@NameHierEinfuegen
@NameHierEinfuegen 4 года назад
There is a trick to swirling when trying to mix a liquid. I've learned that in my chemistry practicals. Sure a spoon or a magnetic stirrer is always better, but for a quick mix this works surprisingly well. Beware, this has a even higher chance to make a mess than normal swirling! ;) Start a quick and strong swirl till the content of the cup keeps moving when you stop to swirl. Then immediately swirl vigorously in the opposite direction. This causes the flow to stop, introduces turbulence and then reverses the flow. If you repeat this two or three times you get a pretty good mix without stirring.
@lNFINlTEx
@lNFINlTEx 3 года назад
Yes, and hope by the end of it some of the coffee is still in the cup. (I'm not optimistic about the odds.)
@uEffects123
@uEffects123 3 года назад
I do that, usually in a cappuccino cup, works really well and you don't have to clean the spoon :D
@qwertyTRiG
@qwertyTRiG 2 года назад
Is there any heat left in the coffee after that?
@sanjosemike3137
@sanjosemike3137 2 года назад
I could try this. I have taken my "share" of chemistry labs, including Qual and organic. I am a clod. If I try to do what you suggest, it will end up on my shirt. (It's not YOUR fault). Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
@cyandroid3355
@cyandroid3355 2 года назад
If you do this with spoon, the results is even better
@BeniRoseMusic
@BeniRoseMusic 3 года назад
"You maybe think I've lost my mind" - James...this is the 6th video of yours I've watched today on the extremely fine details of consuming coffee in a manner I don't regularly consume at home, I think it's safe to say we're on the same page here!
@Docprepper
@Docprepper 4 года назад
You are 100% my favorite coffee-specialist RU-vidr. You just utilized the scientific method to determine whether or not stirring and swirling were comparable mixing methods for an espresso shot. 10/10 will watch again.
@MrPDTaylor
@MrPDTaylor 2 года назад
I am willing to argue that he did not offer a way to falsify his hypothesis so he did follow a mediocre version of the scientific method... but the scientific method wasn't really necessary to get his point across
@Pasteurpipette
@Pasteurpipette 2 года назад
@@MrPDTaylor on top of that, there was no distribution or standard deviation given, making it a rather cursory analysis
@ianhu7755
@ianhu7755 5 лет назад
It’s been established in the bioscience field that orbital shaking (or swirling) is not a very efficient way to mix stuff so yeah spoon it is
@RaivisVaitekuns
@RaivisVaitekuns 5 лет назад
Orbitally shaking my coffee no more! 🤓
@damfadd
@damfadd 5 лет назад
Omg that's amazing
@Schindlabua
@Schindlabua 5 лет назад
I've a pretty elaborate swirling technique at work. First you pour the milk into the cup and then you let the vaguely coffee-like substance pour on top of that for pre-mixing. You give it a quick swirl and start walking towards your desk. You blow into the coffee; not to cool it though because the damn machine brews lukewarm coffee anyway, but to stop the swirl so you can swirl it in the other direction. The next bit is hard to describe, but as the coffee starts resonating with the frequency of your walk you will inevitably slow down and speed up so as to not totally pour all of it over your hands, and as you are speeding up and the coffee is creeping up the walls of the cup you do these half-swirls to fold the milk into the coffee. Additional blowing is optional. One last swirl as you sit down at your desk and you can enjoy a perfectly mixed café au lait putain froid.
@ianhu7755
@ianhu7755 5 лет назад
Now according to Newton's second law stuff that doesn't move in the beginning has a tendency to not want to move. If you really want to get the relative rotation started, a more efficient way is, tuck the damn cup close to your chest, and start spinning, with your spine as the centre. Spin the other way to decelerate. Try not to puke on your way back to your desk.
@FixItPleaseJ
@FixItPleaseJ 5 лет назад
Destin @smartereveryday just did a really cool video on laminar flow of viscous fluids, which I think compliments this video nicely.
@doogleisfat
@doogleisfat 5 лет назад
James is the kind of guy to take an emergency spoon with him to ensure he can stir any time, any place - I like that about him.
@glennmiller4607
@glennmiller4607 5 лет назад
Tried this repeatedly with shots pulled from 3 machines 3 grinders and several coffees and have to conclude stirring is giving the best results compared to swirling or leaving. I'm convinced its spoons ahead. :-)
@dreamervanroom
@dreamervanroom 4 года назад
Demitasse spoons my dear.
@joserebolledo203
@joserebolledo203 4 года назад
I am from Chile and I recently started in the world of coffee with an aeropress... you and your channel have been a constant motivation to start preparing my own coffee and trying different things. Thanks a lot!
@carlossolis1
@carlossolis1 5 лет назад
ok, next time someone ask me why i stirring my espresso i'll say: " what? i'm just doing the Hoffman maneuver, don't you know it?"
@Call-me-Al
@Call-me-Al 4 года назад
I need to steal this.
@gickojerke1262
@gickojerke1262 4 года назад
A HA my thought exactly
@joskoevoet9569
@joskoevoet9569 4 года назад
That cracked me up!
@AbuSalem2099
@AbuSalem2099 3 года назад
"the Hoffman maneuver".... I like it, will use it.
@Nagria2112
@Nagria2112 3 года назад
Heimlich maneuver for all the people who didnt get the Joke.
@Thekidfromcalifornia2.0
@Thekidfromcalifornia2.0 5 лет назад
Why I think spoons should be always served with espresso. It’s not for sugar people.
@bertman4
@bertman4 5 лет назад
It was for sugar in Italy.
@jordaneil
@jordaneil 5 лет назад
Isn't espresso always served with a spoon?
@BYSeresD
@BYSeresD 5 лет назад
@Evocati No, they do not. (
@yengsabio5315
@yengsabio5315 5 лет назад
I had a so bad espresso just the other day from an unfamiliar (I don't recommend thereafter) "café", I was so surprised they served it with refined sugar & non-dairy creamer on the side! And their espresso is really bad I can't even consume it all after a single sip!
@konijntjesbroek
@konijntjesbroek 4 года назад
@@yengsabio5315 Shoulda added the creamer and sugar :)
@felipeplant
@felipeplant 7 месяцев назад
Impressive content! 4:00 I’ve got a Carl Sagan vibe in the way you said “off into the room… gone forever…” Brilliant
@darkjannn
@darkjannn Год назад
Thanks for your videos! The Algorithm decided earlier this evening that I'd like to learn more about coffee balls. Meanwhile, I've seen you sample each and every Nespresso capsule you could get a hold of, inspire people to give other people (and/or their kids) coffee-making toys, and this one. I've been hugely entertained so far. I sell (mostly) Dutch cheese for a living and know my way around those flavours, but must admit I have never even considered attempting to actually enjoy coffee. I'm used to just accepting all of the caffeine I can get. Black, strong, lots of it. This coffee barbarian has an open mind and looks forward to learning more from you.
@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat
@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat Год назад
For great coffee made in a simple way, get an "It's American Press" or even an Aeropress. A Clever Dripper is a great brewer as well. If I may suggest, use the above devices before diving into espresso. Espresso demands a great grinder, and small adjustments greatly affect the outcome. Contact time, water temperature (also water quality), agitation, and grind size are key variables to understand. May you have many great cups to come. Best wishes.
@emanuelgreucean3380
@emanuelgreucean3380 5 лет назад
I've been recommending stirring to our guests since we opened. So when I first read the title of this video I got a bit scared that I was doing it wrong. Thank you for confirming my obsession of stirring the espresso, and providing yet another very informative video that I will share with all coffee enthusiasts in our community.
@AndreyCK
@AndreyCK 5 лет назад
Emanuel Greucean good job dude
@dainkes
@dainkes 5 лет назад
"You may think I've lost my mind." One of your funniest video's so far James, made me laugh out loud a couple of times. That was a good start of my day, so thanks for that. I will be stirring my espressos from now on. Unless the service is really bad, than I'll be swirling overenthousiastically.
@BeaDSM
@BeaDSM 5 лет назад
The video editing around that statement was on point too.
@nigeldarling5734
@nigeldarling5734 4 года назад
Me too, just brilliant fun.
@remiremi8570
@remiremi8570 3 года назад
Definitely had to laugh when he talked about the wine glass.
@RobinHartJones
@RobinHartJones 2 года назад
I did laugh but I think the video in the woods testing the weird device that looked like a crack pipe was funnier :-)
@nicholasrubianes5368
@nicholasrubianes5368 2 года назад
@@BeaDSM what do you mean by "on point"?
@tomwolfe1983
@tomwolfe1983 Год назад
When you swirl, the low density crema doesn't mix -- it keeps floating on top. That would explain a lot right there. Stirring helps homogenize the crema with the rest in addition to mixing the layers of liquid from the different phases of the pull.
@devavidon3063
@devavidon3063 4 года назад
Before I found your channel I clicked go on my Sette 30 which generally stayed at one grind setting, lazily tamped whatever 5 seconds was in terms of mass into the stock basket and portafilter that came with my Breville, and clicked the 2 shot button. Now I've just gone and bought a 6 pack of demitasse spoons to stir the espresso that I meticulously dose by weight and dial in daily from a Niche Zero, paddle and tamp with SAI tools, and pull from a Linea Mini. Needless to say my pocketbook is not your biggest fan. But I definitely am. Thank you so much for creating easily the most compelling coffee channel on RU-vid. You're probably singlehandedly responsible for my newfound love affair with coffee.
@connormatthews522
@connormatthews522 5 лет назад
Loved the self-reflection haha. I think delving into one's passion requires just that little bit of lost mind and eccentricity.
@emananay1
@emananay1 5 лет назад
The coffee shop I go to already serves my espresso in a wine cup with a spoon.
@travelrasmus
@travelrasmus 5 лет назад
SpaceCowboy where is this? 😮😍👌🏼
@yammmit
@yammmit 5 лет назад
Travel Rasmus Apparently nowhere.
@travelrasmus
@travelrasmus 5 лет назад
TIMMMAY67 seems like it 😂
@FelixSargent
@FelixSargent 5 лет назад
What is a wine cup?
@MrMoccachinoo
@MrMoccachinoo 4 года назад
Felix Sargent it’s a special coffee cup in shape of a wine glass I guess :p
@dyrinn45
@dyrinn45 3 года назад
I don't have an espresso machine, expensive grinder or really great pallet. While I plan to buy the first two and work on the last one, I am such a huge fan of this channel. Super wholesome content and really well informed.
@iamhere3442
@iamhere3442 Год назад
Nesspresso is a very good brand. Mine winks at me as I walk past it.
@darrylwills483
@darrylwills483 5 лет назад
Mr. Hoffman, I'm having a love/hate relationship moment with you on this video. I saw the name and in that moment said that this is pretentious and was about to skip the video, then I hit play. I hate you because you are right about stirring over swirling, and I love you because you are talking about espresso and you use the scientific method to convince me you are not pretentious. Keep up the good work. Damn you man😁
@maciej_ma
@maciej_ma 5 лет назад
And again you blew my mind. You are answering all my coffee questions with wit. It was genuine pleasure to watch. The more videos you make, the better coffee we will drink (by understanding it).
@FatFishYu
@FatFishYu 5 лет назад
anticipating the pour over videos!
@phichuu1160
@phichuu1160 5 лет назад
+1
@RANGOTHEWILD
@RANGOTHEWILD 5 лет назад
+2
@springfieldleo6184
@springfieldleo6184 5 лет назад
Let's make an official petition!😂
@dcashley303
@dcashley303 5 лет назад
+V60
@Mark-EFMB-Combat-Medic
@Mark-EFMB-Combat-Medic 2 года назад
"This kind of overly obsessive videos are the reason why this is my favourite coffee channel." I'm glad someone finally said it
@OmarLakkis
@OmarLakkis 5 лет назад
In Italy, the problem is solved by drinking the coffee in one shot, standing (unless it's an after meal coffee). It's an espresso after all.
@edvink8766
@edvink8766 5 лет назад
This sucks if you live in a place where an espresso costs $3-4
@OmarLakkis
@OmarLakkis 5 лет назад
@@edvink8766 not that much (yet) in Italy.
@bluuforyuu8488
@bluuforyuu8488 5 лет назад
Lmao that's how I drink it
@earlymusicmaker
@earlymusicmaker 5 лет назад
I wish we could get 1$ shots here in the US... was so nice in Rome a few years back to pop in, drop a euro down, and have a quick pick me up.
@Valspartame_Maelstrom
@Valspartame_Maelstrom 4 года назад
Early Music Maker being from america, i was shocked at the price and the lower temperature of the espresso. most cafes the espresso is so damn hot that you can’t drink it very fast..at least i cant!
@TheOchsavidare
@TheOchsavidare 5 лет назад
It sort of makes sense to me that stirring is better than swirling; swirling swirls the layers separately without much inter layer mixing, while stirring breaks the layers, producing lots of mixing.
@colint5103
@colint5103 5 лет назад
4:01 "Gone forever... just gone" made me giggle so much and now my colleagues think I'm mental. This happened in my last workplace when you were *cupping* Hario filters. I keep coming back for your knowledge, but also for your obsessiveness. I'd love to have the time in my life to acheive your levels of both.
@wexy021
@wexy021 5 лет назад
4:15 both these moments are gif worthy
@colint5103
@colint5103 5 лет назад
@@wexy021 move over NDT, we have a new meme
@Prev_C
@Prev_C Год назад
I tried your other method stir with milk and allow it cool- so good! 🎉
@JoelCollymore
@JoelCollymore 2 года назад
Hi James, I'm a new subscriber to your channel and fell into binge-watching. Today is the first time in my years of making my espresso that I actually stirred my espresso and....it does taste much better. Thank you for these amazing videos.
@jakebaigent7582
@jakebaigent7582 5 лет назад
So should we be switching our espresso cups for curved, wine shaped espresso cups instead? AND stir them? Cuz I am down for that; that's the kind of nerdiness I live for.
@mitchhale9692
@mitchhale9692 5 лет назад
I use snifters for espresso and brewed coffee and I swirl for aroma. But I also stir every shot, have to do it for sampling to measure anyway!
@marcusrobinson1778
@marcusrobinson1778 5 лет назад
As a bartender we get a lot of shit for all our different glassware. So do so at the risk of apearing pretentious
@danielgarciazuniga6384
@danielgarciazuniga6384 5 лет назад
www.elmundo.es/tendencias/2014/10/08/5434004f268e3eab268b457e.html
@bendburley
@bendburley 5 лет назад
I took an American friend to an awesome coffee roastery in Spain when I was there on holiday, and they served us up a chemex pour over coffee in a wine glass. At first I thought it was typical hipster pretention, but that was 4 years ago and I still remember the look on my mates face after sipping the best coffee he'd ever had, that apparently ruined him forever because nothing else would compare :) My point? I don't really have one, it was just a great memory to think about again 😂
@pogggggggggg
@pogggggggggg 5 лет назад
Don't hate the source: www.nespresso.com/no/no/order/accessories/original/reveal-intense-smaksglass The best part about them is a single espresso should fill to exactly the widest point
@kahjonakahviin-257
@kahjonakahviin-257 5 лет назад
One espresso, please. Stirred, not swirled. ;) I suggest the combination of a Figgjo Oslo Tulip cup, a crazy swirl and a proper sniff, though. I’ve had the pleasure of consuming a few espressos out of those cups and it’s pure bliss.
@timboektoe2703
@timboektoe2703 Год назад
James thanks for all your super interesting video's. I just ordered a Sage Barista Touch for € 514,00 to start my journey into the espresso world 🙂
@DoctorShaunB
@DoctorShaunB 3 года назад
“shaken, not stirred” - James Bond, 1956 "Stirred, not swirled" - James Hoffmann, 2019
@paulmgreen
@paulmgreen 5 лет назад
Hoffman does coffee science .... Never a bad thing. I'm off now to test for myself ! Thank you James
@j616s
@j616s 5 лет назад
"Instead, only realize the truth... THERE IS NO SPOON."
@schakaljr
@schakaljr 5 лет назад
Oh, bravo sir! Nailed it 👌
@douglasdrumond
@douglasdrumond 5 лет назад
I thought "someone should have written that" and here it is! =)
@themanofthehour9833
@themanofthehour9833 4 года назад
If you swirl, that's a clear sign, that you're still are captured in the Matrix :-)
@healthesick39804
@healthesick39804 3 года назад
I love this! I’m so glad I looked into this, and when you had mentioned this being among the “weird little details”, I verbally responded “well I like the weird little details” 😄. I love that you go into them in addition to the ‘big stuff’, and I’d love to see more. I’d personally swirled before as well with the vague intention of post-processing and balancing my pull, and this brought clarity to that, as well as a better alternative, for which I’m grateful. I’m sure it goes without saying that I’m grateful for your content; I look forward to seeing more.
@diegoantonio1380
@diegoantonio1380 5 лет назад
First time I see one of your videos, I want to say that I subscribed because you said “hope you have a great day”. Thank you for that! Awesome video by the way. Have a great day as well.
@The55five5
@The55five5 5 лет назад
I will definitely get back to you on this once I've had a chance to test it myself... I personally prefer getting the whole espresso ("double shot" for lack of a better expression) in a wider ~5 ounce cup so that swirling is easier, slightly more vigorous, cools the espresso faster and I can really get my nose into it. Probably just as crazy as you James....
@garyjohnston4685
@garyjohnston4685 5 лет назад
Going to try this out. I stopped taking sugar in coffee about 9 months ago and if offered a spoon always decline (because I take it, don’t use it and then the cafe wash it again - even though it’s clean - which appears wasteful). May need to start taking one again ☕️
@etpaprika
@etpaprika 2 года назад
He looks like one of those overly dramatic RU-vidrs but then you accidentally clicked on his Kopi Luwak video and now you know he talks quite the opposite, his voice is soothing and not antagonizing. You trust him blindly because he's not brutally but sincerely honest. Thankyou James.
@NoraMeld
@NoraMeld 2 года назад
Idk why im like this, I don't drink coffee, don't like the taste, even trying some of these methods for a better cup. I'm more of a "mix mountain dew and fruit punch for my caffiene" kind of goblin but I am obsessed with the well edited videos and watching someone be passionate about something
@kyouell
@kyouell 5 лет назад
1. Clearly you haven't gone too far. 2. Now I know why some cafes give me a spoon! At least if they had given me a shrimp fork I would've known what it was. Thanks for educating this noob! PS, I haven't spent the money on a burr grinder so your shaking trick from over the holidays it's being put to a good use everyday. Thanks!
@dreamervanroom
@dreamervanroom 4 года назад
I learned the trick from America's test Kitchen. It was a segment by Lisa where she explained to never grind for over a second at a time
@toolmoo1
@toolmoo1 5 лет назад
Thanks James! Many of my favorite cafes here in Los Angeles brew into a tiny pitcher then pour into the demitasse. I wonder how that compares to stirred? At home I brew into a very warm latte cup so i can capture those aromas!
@JonBrownSherman
@JonBrownSherman Год назад
All I know is that I fucking love James Hoffman and I will happily listen to him obsess over any topic about which he feels passionately and wants to pontificate or ramble.
@dougmackenzie5976
@dougmackenzie5976 2 года назад
I'm embarrassed to say I have a really cheap espresso machine, but, it's often more about technique than equipment, I've found. I've had a crappy cup from an Atomic coffee maker, and I've had awesome campfire coffee. The little beaker that came with my espresso maker is borosilicate glass, so as the espresso drips in, it its easy to see the layers of coffee as the process develops. It seemed to me, from the first time I used it, that a stir would benefit the drink. It does, and you are so right. Swirling is more affectation than having anything to do with making the espresso more homogenized. Excellent video!! Thanks so much for your continued efforts to bring us better brews!
@jpdj2715
@jpdj2715 5 лет назад
Interesting. (1) Have you tried to drop the trickle (in Italian they say it's good when it looks like a mouse tail) along the wall of the cup? The -sort of- parabolic cross section of Italian cups is intentional. You get a bit of circulation in the cup. It does not completely solve the problem but helps. (2) an Italian lady told me she uses the spoon to bring the extraction from the bottom up along the wall of the cup so this is the first that meets the lips (taste, mouthfeel, plus contributes to scent). She described this as old cognoscenti knowledge. (3) a little bit of swirling is sometimes done by barista to make a visual trace of overextraction go away. My counter question is, what about #1?
@ozzy1280
@ozzy1280 5 лет назад
I've been doing espresso at home for about a year now, thinking I know my stuff and that I'm so cool because people are impressed with the scales and the tamping and the show if it all. Only now that my taste has developed a bit more, am I starting to realize I've got no idea what I'm doing. I think understanding taste is more useful of a tool to a noob like me than understanding technique in terms of overall understanding of how to create a coffee drink. Coffee is definitely the case of, the more you know, the more you know you don't know. Down the rabbit hole I gooooooo.
@Kobforshort
@Kobforshort 7 месяцев назад
I feel attacked 😂 not only did I discover those “trashy layered cocktails” this year, I just got my first espresso machine and I’m stepping into a whole new world. I love this channel!
@Bubreherro
@Bubreherro 2 года назад
I don’t even like coffee and yet I’m hooked on this channel. Must be the nerd in me
@anthonyleadbetter7557
@anthonyleadbetter7557 4 года назад
Hey James Have recently been having a binge at your videos, and absolutely love them. The style, pace and sheer genuine nature of them is awesome - perhaps one of the reasons I'm into coffee despite not being in the industry anymore. Wondering if you'd do a comprehensive look at making espresso based drinks at home, maybe using some of the less-expensive Breville machines. Just tips and ideas would be really cool to see.
@elizabethglenn1985
@elizabethglenn1985 Год назад
Yes please please use breville machines! I just ordered 4 yes 4 espresso machines the first 3 went back, mr. coffee, Philips and some other brand li can’t even remember it was so chinsey ! I ended up wit a bambino plus espresso machine for 500$. I’d love tips on using it? Or if you can’t do that tips on using espresso machines. Thank you in advance ☕️ Elizabeth
@m4tth3wh
@m4tth3wh 5 лет назад
Your video made me smile a lot! Thank you for swirling and spilling 🤣 Now the next question down the rabbit hole. Does heating the stirring spoon help improve taste or make no difference? 🥃
@frenchlewis8687
@frenchlewis8687 4 года назад
Recently discovered this channel. I’m working with a ROK (GC upgraded) and had already worked out a heating routine. Never swirled or stirred before, tried a stir this morning. Although the beans were only a day older than yesterday (8 days post roast). It was a very different experience. Same flavor for all of my sips. Thank you for sharing your obsessions with us!
@ryanlam4460
@ryanlam4460 5 лет назад
I am very glad that you have added a Chinese translation.This helps a lot of people who are not good at English.I hope that if future all the video can also maintain Chinese and English subtitles will be helpful. thank you for all your video .
@benjaaaamin
@benjaaaamin 5 лет назад
Request: is there a difference between shots pulled into a raised cup vs one on the drip tray? Love your work James, it’s helping me out heaps
@Fuahsawas
@Fuahsawas 5 лет назад
You definitely are not crazy. Thanks for all the videos.
@sirsleepy2472
@sirsleepy2472 3 года назад
Hoffmann you’re just so much fun to listen to.
@user-hw2lb7rv4m
@user-hw2lb7rv4m 4 года назад
Some thoughts I've had watching this video : 1. When you first take a sip from your espresso, you do not drink the very top layer, you actually drink the middle portion. You know how when you drink beer, even though the very top layer is all but foam, you don't get a mouthful of pure foam but rather you miss out on most of it. 2. When you extracted the "top layer" of the espresso with a syringe, you've probably extracted more of the middle layer, due to surface tension. 3. All in all, however, since you've extracted the portion where you'd probably first taste an espresso, the end result should be pretty accurate in terms of how your espresso's first sip tastes like. P.s. love your videos, no intention of criticizing them, just some of my thoughts watching this particular video :) Thanks always for your great contents!
@frankmartinez4559
@frankmartinez4559 4 года назад
I'm not quite sure your comparison holds up. We may be splitting hairs at this point but I would argue that would would never dring expresso the same you would a beer. You would never end up with an expresso mustache. Would you?
@ouineque
@ouineque 5 лет назад
Stirred, not swirled😎 there's not such thing as going too far down the rabbit hole of espresso.
@kalashnikov98
@kalashnikov98 4 года назад
As a chem-student i love that you're using a refractometer
@stefanfritzsche
@stefanfritzsche 3 года назад
There is no going too far when it comes to details .. of anything you really care about that is. Curiosity should know no boundaries!
@TimKapow
@TimKapow 5 лет назад
I read your World Atlas before I discovered your RU-vid channel, now whenever I refer back to the book I just hear your mannerisms in the written text! Brilliant!
@jeremyp.2220
@jeremyp.2220 5 лет назад
I am an avid swirler, so will definitely try this.... OR take pretentiousness to new heights and drink espresso swirled in a wine glass.
@anopinion4458
@anopinion4458 5 лет назад
I like swirling my espresso.... BECAUSE ITS FUN
@1959Berre
@1959Berre 4 года назад
If you want fun, go to a circus.
@kalijasin
@kalijasin 4 года назад
It’s not helping you. Lol
@cecilyerker
@cecilyerker 4 года назад
James said you can swirl if you want to and that’s the final word on the subject. No more guff from you two yahoos.
@worawatli8952
@worawatli8952 5 лет назад
It works!!! It taste better, thumbs up to you, you are not going too far, it is just exploring. We should all be explore, learning new things everyday.
@rg3825
@rg3825 5 лет назад
I agree. It reminds me of my anglophilia - especially as a teen. I'm 50 so I had to search out video tapes and articles to follow my favorite britcoms and fashions. One article was dos and don'ts when meeting the queen. A rule that stuck with me was not to stir your tea but move back and forth the spoon without touching the sides. It took only one try to notice how well this works. Since then I have seen this over and over in many disciplines. As a rule spinning separates while back and forth mixes. Thanks for a great vid!
@JamesHuxford
@JamesHuxford 5 лет назад
You are clearly bonkers but keep it up, i want to know should i stir left or right, is there a optimum number of rotations
@drewhargrave6291
@drewhargrave6291 5 лет назад
Asking the important questions, I see
@mrgallbladder
@mrgallbladder 3 года назад
The stirring direction depends on the moon cycle.
@funkndeep
@funkndeep 3 года назад
haha I laughed way too hard
@lloix
@lloix 3 года назад
Depends on which hemisphere you are in? :D
@Robizzle01
@Robizzle01 3 года назад
Depends upon which hemisphere you reside -- you want to swirl opposite the spin of earth. Also, the closer you are to the equator, the faster you have to swirl to make up for lack of free rotational energy 😏
@SmuttyNLP
@SmuttyNLP 5 лет назад
Have you lost your mind? It's possible. I mean you were measuring coffee via a refractometer... Having said that, no one else is doing that (that I've seen) so it's unique and makes for a great video. Loving your videos, hope you keep em coming!
@mjams231
@mjams231 2 года назад
Brilliant. I appreciate the test James!!
@emira.padron9967
@emira.padron9967 3 года назад
James, I enjoy so much your content. I have learned a lot for an Amateur home barista. And as you I want to get the best of my cup in each one. I have make so many decisions base in your expertise and reviews. Before this video I added stirring to my routine because I saw you doing it when you were tasting your coffees. When doing it myself I found out that my espresso cups tasted much better. As you said it felt much balance and enjoyable. Ps: I will love a video explaining about precision baskets. I have a pullman and using it with my gaggia classic and I had some struggles each time I change of the type of roasted. Im really don’t understand the difference. Thanks from Puerto Rico! 🇵🇷
@LasstUnsSpielen
@LasstUnsSpielen 5 лет назад
James Hoffmann is our boss.
@bayburtlu6167
@bayburtlu6167 5 лет назад
that drives me crazy when I ask for spoon every time I ordered espresso at the same coffee shop I go usually
@Call-me-Al
@Call-me-Al 4 года назад
One year later, did they finally start supplying you with a spoon once they see you?
@joealexandersen5599
@joealexandersen5599 5 лет назад
You are absolutely not too far down the rabbit hole. This is super interesting! This makes a lot of sense from a fluid dynamics point of view. If we assume that the espresso lies in discrete layers of increasing concentration from top to bottom, swirling perfectly horizontally will create flow only parallel to the layers and thus we rely mainly on diffusion for mixing (hugely inefficient). However, stirring causes chaotic advection (flow in many directions, also across layers) which is much more efficient at mixing! I think the reason why your measurements are very close together may be because you filter it before putting it in the refractometer. To make a fair comparison, you should either taste the filtered top layer or measure the unfiltered sample.
@shawzy620
@shawzy620 4 года назад
This video has changed my life. Thanks you!
@mcst6969
@mcst6969 4 года назад
"You think; I lost my mind" ... No, business as usual, I see.
@asadmarmash8852
@asadmarmash8852 5 лет назад
It was true when you said this about espresso. "Do you want a new hobby?"
@jac62905
@jac62905 8 месяцев назад
This was one of the most polite ways I've seen someone tell people they are wrong, and then scientifically prove that they are indeed, wrong. I'm guilty of swirling myself and after watching this video I'm not even mad, just disappointed.
@RickyCowFace
@RickyCowFace 4 года назад
I'm from Guatemala, at ANACAFE (National Association of Coffee) where I took my barista course they taught us to serve the espresso with a spoon so the customer could integrate the layers. We also did a cool experiment tasting every 5 seconds the coffee that was coming out of the espresso machine, you could taste the sweetness and bitterness of it, so cool!
@RaivisVaitekuns
@RaivisVaitekuns 5 лет назад
The point on espresso cup not being 'tulip' shaped like wine / tasting glasses are! Would you make a video on espresso cups? Aside from swirling - why are they still so much like shot glass we use for crappy alcohol? Shouldn't espresso be treated like a fine cognac, instead of cheap booze? 🧐
@micahkessner5592
@micahkessner5592 5 лет назад
Agreed. I'm a big fan of these cups; perfect size, curved to fit the hand quite nicely. Recently, I've resorted to buying handmade ceramics, though finding the right size can be a challenge. www.amazon.com/Espresso-Shot-Glass-Coffee-Lovers/dp/B073DK6BGT/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?keywords=espresso+cups+2.7+oz&qid=1558403246&s=gateway&sr=8-6
@edbee8508
@edbee8508 5 лет назад
No statistical difference in TDS values.
@EnzoTorino
@EnzoTorino 5 лет назад
Py Tux I was thinking the same thing. Natural variability in shot pulls influenced the value more significantly than a stir v swirl effect. Would be good to compare data vs. a control sample of no swirl / mix at all.
@CMBGuitars
@CMBGuitars 3 года назад
I use an AMA Milano steam driven. Usually stir the espresso with a spoon. Lately, started using a small battery operated frother to stir. Quicker than stirring & tastes same to me. I use it just before pouring the coffee into the cup & again after adding creamer. Btw, great channel!
@ab0dyyy
@ab0dyyy 5 лет назад
I can't get enough of these videos
@jaredkauk
@jaredkauk 5 лет назад
I agree with this. But what do you mean by “strength”? What does the refractometer measure? Caffeine? Dissolved sugars etc?
@csrdsg
@csrdsg 5 лет назад
'the amount of substance dissolved in the liquid' - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractometer
@lyy223
@lyy223 5 лет назад
How about milk coffee? Would you think swirling the espresso base before mixing with steamed milk will affect the aromatic or mouthfeel of latte or cappuccino ?
@YourFriendFlipper86
@YourFriendFlipper86 5 лет назад
Imo yes, it makes the crema taste less aggressive, if that makes sense
@c3cio
@c3cio 7 месяцев назад
James, your passion that can become overly obsessive is amazing and I love the fact that you are aware about it. But after all everything you say it is always backed by experiment, science and a deep knowldge, therefore you are a legend! (And also you are very funny.)
@cuccumagic
@cuccumagic 4 года назад
I came from palermo sicily and i grown up in a very popular coffee bar. We got a lot of habits about espresso, one of them is after swirling the coffee we smear the top lip of the cup so the lips get coffee test before you sip it. Ciao and i like your channel very much 👍
@patmisc
@patmisc 5 лет назад
I am definitely trying this out at work because I am definitely a swirler.
@Useyanoggin
@Useyanoggin 5 лет назад
John: Just gone forever.....just gone.. MOOD
@christianw2753
@christianw2753 2 года назад
Friend of mine serves pour over coffee in brandy glas. Works lovely.
@mixdiver
@mixdiver 2 года назад
Totally agree your reasoning makes perfect sense
@cassia_cries
@cassia_cries 5 лет назад
yup funny how we'll all happily spend thousands on equipment and fixate on brewing details yet dismiss simple little things as "obsessive"
@djcudworth2355
@djcudworth2355 5 лет назад
I'm gunna swirl it and you ain't going to stop me. Watches video... Damn it. Okay fine I will stir it next time. Bloody internet.
@rolandwong9059
@rolandwong9059 3 года назад
I stir purely by accident because I did not like the “idea” that the loss of aerated flavor in the creama might take away from the enjoyment, just sticking & drying on the side of the cup, rather than tasting it in the brew as well. I use my temperature probe, not a spoon however. I guess this is a holdover from my wine tasting swirling habit I’ve been obsessed with since the 80s. Yes, I also slurp my coffee a bit with my tongue to gauge the taste and mouthfeel too.
@chiponmyshoulder6248
@chiponmyshoulder6248 5 лет назад
Thanks a lot for this video! Thinking about it for years and tried to make couple of my colleges stir and avoid the swirling. They didn’t believe me until now. I’m a huge fan of your blog and all your work!
@statusquo8958
@statusquo8958 2 года назад
I don’t think there’s ever a too far down the rabbit hole for things you’re passionate about
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