Something is very very wrong there...560 fps even from a snubbie is way way way off from what it should be. In a semi auto it should be around 900-1100. I think using that revolver chanbered for 327 is allowing you to loose a bunch of pressure. I have never seen 32 ammo run that slow. You can shoot 32 auto in those revolvers... its a cool party trick... but i guess you loose almost half of the velocity.
i have 3 32 acp pistols, 2 Beretta 81s and a Keltec p32. the keltec, with slow us loads runs in the 700-800 fps range and the 81s with eurospec 32 run 900-1000 fps. 560 is literally 200 fps slower than a p32.
What a poor choice in gun and ammo to test 32acp. Why a revolver with a cylinder gap and why weak US made ammo? Try a P32 with Fiocchi or S&B 73 grain FMJ. You are going to get completely different (and better) results. Nobody should carry hollow points in a 32acp. They will not expand and the weights are too light to get the desired penetration. BIG swing and a miss for AmmoMart.
2:27 Love your channel, but ACP’s are for pistols not revolvers due to pressure loss. Would love to see a 32 test in the new PPK 32 that just came out.
I chrono s&b 73 gr .32 from a keltec p32 at 962 average... those numbers do not represent the caliber correctly, likely from a non .32 acp chambered firearm.
Totally correct; he admits the revolver is chamber in 327 not 32 acp. I'm no expert but seems incredibly flawed many are questioning this information as they rightfully should it does not seem accurate.
You should have used a Keltec p32 or similar pocket pistol. The cylinder gap is dropping 200fps or more, plus the round is half the size of the 327 federal, so it's traveling inside the chamber a full rounds worth of distance, plus the gap, before it hits the forcing cone. It is traveling several milliseconds before it hits the rifling with a large drop in pressure from the gap. This also effects 32 S&W Long when fired from a 327, but not as profound. If you want zero recoil but more stopping power out of that 327, then 32 S&W Long is what you want to shoot from it. 32 S&W Long is to 327 as 38 special is to 357. Most people do not carry JHPs when they carry 32 ACP. HPs will not open at that light a weight (60 to 75gr) at under 1000fps. The most effective 32 ACP rounds are European FMJs at 73gr, shooting 7.65 Browning spec, not US 32 ACP spec; S&B usually testing the fastest in the 900 to 1100 range out of a 1" Keltec P32.
I totally agree with your response. I live in west Africa where 32acp pistols are the larger caliber allowed for civilians to own. Most of licenced guns owners here including me have the Tisas Fatih 13 or the taurus PT 58 chambered in 32acp. 99%of the 32 ammo sold here is the 7.65/73g Fiochi FMJ and its as effective as any other self defense round Beleive it or not, and even tend to over penetrate most of the time. Fact is here, 87% of people who have been shot with that caliber and pistols in reported home invasions, or roberries got their lights permanently and instantly turned out. Plus most of the guns owners were not experienced shooters, just casual people wanting to get a firearm to protect themselves in case. More people here have survived been shot with 12gauge bird shotgun maybe due to shot placement and distance. I never ever saw anybody volunteering to take a 32 acp bullet in the chest. Just saying...
This is a terrible choice of gun for this test. You are losing too much pressure from the revolver. Grab a Zastava M70 of CZ 70. those are actually good .32 's
I really like that someone is reviewing the "obsolete" .32acp! However I do agree with other comments here about the ammo choice and firearm used. I would like to see this redone using a semi with a 3-4" barrel. Also, the acp's rim is thinner than the .327's which is what caused the light primer strikes. I had the same issue in a .32h&r chambered revolver.
Yeah, he said at the beginning of the video that he was going to explain why he was using a revolver that does not officially support .32 ACP, but then he never did. The light strikes observed are almost certainly because .32 ACP has a different rim thickness than the 3 calibers that the LCR does support (.32 Long, .32 H&R Magnum, .327 Fed Mag).
The easiest answer is two-fold: 1. revolvers almost never have FTF's, and no FTE issues from shot to shot. 2. When needed if an assailant comes up against you, you don't even have to pull this weapon out of your pocket; you can shoot directly from your pocket! This is why revolvers are still valid as a everyday carry personal defense tool: they do not have the mini drawbacks of semi-automatics. Lastly, for old folks such as myself, and people who are of small stature, lower recoil is a must! Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming
@@jrbailey3208 The question wasn't, "Why use a revolver?" There are a lot of good reasons to use revolvers. The question really was, "Why are you using a revolver to shoot a semi-auto cartridge?" All of the advantages that you are talking about are better served using .32 Long in the LCR platform rather than a .32 ACP. The LCR was never designed to use the .32 ACP. Virtually everyone using .32 ACP is going to be using an auto and the results from using a revolver is not generalizable to the performance in an auto
@@grahamohea2424 I understand your point, and I actually happen to agree with some of it! However, he kept stressing recoil sensitive people, elderly people (that would be people like me), women, and smaller stature people. Lastly, I liked that he did this test, because as the test proved, you can really shoot 32 ACP out of a revolver if you absolutely have to; ie, there are no 327 Fed Mag, H&R Mag, 32 S&W Long, or 32 Short around! Basically what this video tells us is that in a pinch, if you happen to have Moon Clips in your kit, and some 32 ACP ammo around, you can actually use it to defend yourself, or get some supper, pretty much whatever you need in a pinch. Personally, after watching other videos about choices to shoot out of a snubby 327 revolver, I would practice with 32 S&W Long and carry 327 H&R Mag federal HST JHP's for EDC. I hope my response clarifies the intent of my previous post.
.32 acp is one of my favorite calibers (and I frequently tote a 3" .44 magnum, LOL). Those speeds indicate a lot wrong. I suspect the free bore in the cylinder robbed it of a few hundred FPS. FWIW, most JHPs in .32 tend to underpenetratre if they open up. FMJ though seems to do fine. It often yaws and tumbles and still gets about ideal penetration. Most of my .32s are loaded with FMJ (Geco specifically, I have a wartime PPK that won't run as well with anything less potent).
32 is the Goldilocks Caliber. Everything from pip squeak 32 S&W all the way up to 327 Federal Magnum. It’s an unbelievable cartridge that is severely under-represented.
Generally, you should run hardball .32 if you want penetration. You will get about 16" with quality hardball ammo. Also, the revolver is a poor choice. One being a revolver it will bleed off some of the velocity. Second, with a 2" barrel, velocity will be much slower than out of a PPK 3.3" barrel. I really like the .32. I have an old Beretta PP pistol and I would not want to get hit by a .32 coming out of that! Great video!
In my town cops who carry .32 as a backup gun must use the .32 FMJ due to known poor performance issues with the .32 and opening up. I have a 4” Ruger SP101 which shoots .32 S&W, .32 Long, .32 ACP, .32 H&R MAG and .327 Fed Mag. Gotta remember the .32 auto is “semi-rimmed” and NOT rimless so it will shoot in many .32 revolvers.
Your chronograph is fkd up my man. .32acp comes out of a 3” barrel at about 950fps. I know because I have a Berretta tomcat, and they make even hotter rounds up to 1200fps. Get rid of the chronograph bud.
I've tried 32ACP in my SP101 327 mag. As I predicted I was unimpressed. We handloaders can get the 327 to do anything we want that needs doing in 32 caliber.
I thought the .32 ACP was slightly smaller in diameter than the Smith and Wesson long .32, thus making it a little less accurate out of the .327 revolver? I ask the AI ChatGPT so I guess I am wrong. ChatGPT said .32 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol): The bullet diameter is approximately 0.312 inches (7.9 mm). .327 Magnum: The bullet diameter is approximately 0.312 inches (7.9 mm) as well. Also wanted to say when I use .32ACP or any .32 ammo not .327 mag I use none-hollow points, hollow point are a waist in that caliber and better to go for penetration than the expansion your not going to get.
I generally like your videos but you are losing significant credibility having fired 32 ACP in this handgun, a revolver. Using a Beretta Tomcat, I chronograph 32 ACP and the factory ammo comes out in the 900's with my reloads in the 800's and even 700's. A LOT more than your numbers. As others have said, wrong gun. I know that controversial videos get more views, but is it worth losing your credibility?
You people are so funny slow or fast it doesn't matter when you are in a self defense situation when those bullets fly its all the same its better to have backup than nothing at all. I've heard of times when 22 long saved lives so what ever it is keep it on you
Hello friend. I have been following you on the channel for a long time, is the best. Excellent video, very illuminating. I have a Bersa 32acp and i am satisfied with the benefits,being an old shooter, i understand the limits of the caliber but It is good to back Up. Best regards from Buenos Aires Argentina.
You're robbing the .32acp of some power using a revolver with a cylinder gap. With that said, it takes a sizeable gap to seriously decrease velocity, & I doubt the Ruger LCR is that poorly made. The simple truth is the basic .32, excluding the newer & improved configurations, is very mediocre. For fun low recoil shooting I'll stick .22lr because I already own several firearms in .22lr, ammo is relatively cheap & available. I see no reason to buy a firearm chambered in .32. If anybody is interested Paul Harrell has a long vid about .32acp ammo selection (spoiler, he is not impressed).
I would suggest that you need to consider the major issue that works against your argument: The dichotomy between the reliability of a centerfire cartridge versus a rimfire cartridge. The failure rate for rimfire is tremendously higher than that for centerfire cartridges. Since we're talking about using this tool in this caliber during a life-and-death situation, this is the reason for choosing a centerfire cartridge over a rimfire cartridge, and the cost per round is of no concern considering it's about life and death. When this concept is taken into consideration, I'll choose the centerfire cartridge over the rimfire every time. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming
@@jrbailey3208Thinking in terms of reliability in a self defense gun, yes, centerfire is the way to go. Although I do think the unreliability of rimfire ammo is exaggerated. I still wouldn't consider .32acp a good choice if someone has other choices, such as .380.
@@Salieri47 Should you get a chance, do a You Tube search for .327 Mag Ballistic Test, then .32 S&W Long Federal HST JHP Ballistic Test. I do believe that the results will allow you to reappraise the .327 as a viable caliber, and even the .32 S&W Long with the Federal or Gold Dot JHP ammunition. Please make sure to take special note of the considerably lesser recoil (greater controllability for follow up shots) for each cartridge. Relating to reliability issues for Rimfire, my point is that while modern LR ammo is indeed head and shoulders above that of years past, when compared DIRECTLY to Center Fire, keeping in mind that we're talking about actually having to use the ammo to STAY ALIVE, I'll have to pass on the 22 LR and 22 WMR for simply failing to MATCH the reliability of CF.
when you can have a 5.5', 10 oz 380 and hit twice as hard as a .32, WHY would you choose the .32, hmm? The lightest, smallest .32's are not much if any smaller or lighter than such a 380 and that's PLENTY small and lw enough to conceal in a groin, pocket, even a bra rig.
More accurate hits and faster follow up shots beats a few more ft/lbs of energy. We aren’t talking about full size duty handguns these tiny pistols that slip in your pocket.
Apparently you were not paying attention to the opening intro to the video, s to the rationale for the use of this cartridge and this platform: this combination is designed for elderly people, people with recoil problems, and smaller stature folks. This is the prospective audience for this type of combination of weapon and cartridge. Further, you're also not bothering to consider that this platform, that is the lcr, or a Ruger in the same caliber, or a smith, or a charter arms, all have one thing in common: they can all be shot directly from inside the pocket: no need to pull from the pocket, get into the proper firing position and then start shooting. This tool is designed for an elderly person or a shorter person or a female, or someone has laid hands on them, which means they are arms length away, so you can simply start shooting directly from your pocket and into the assailant. These are the real world considerations using this platform. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming
my p32 is about 7 ounces, is recoiless, and holds more bullets than a 380 of similar size and it gives up 25% of ME in doing so. its also insanely cheap to reload.
