Stopping Power of .40 S&W 

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Not more powerful than 45acp when you throw +p into the equation 😜🤷‍♂️

@@kevinrichardson8859 True.I think it has 30-40 more energy at the muzzle. Not enough to justify losing 7-8 rounds. Also that would make a 45 more "snappy" and we know how 40sw haters dislike snappy. I am a fan of the trinity 10mm, 40sw, 357 sig. I carry 9mm often but 45acp is normally not in my rotation. I don't dislike it. Own several but the size + performance to capacity ratio just isn't good IMHO. 40 just seems to be the best of both worlds. Now if we can just get 357 sig more popular.

230 grain pills for the win

Couldn't agree more ....40 is all I carry

Yesss. 40 S&W is probably my favorite but I love all handgun calibers. Even love plinking with a little 22 or 25 auto. Handguns are a blast regardless of caliber!!

Exactly having pistol caliber options and ammo options due to weather types and population number areas. Some days I pack a 40cal some 9mm some 380. Mostly a 40cal.

Are you? Confused? Really?

@@ShepherdsSheepdog he's definitely confused.

The Winchester Silvertip was the magic 9mm bullet of it's day, performed well in Jello according to the FBI and became a standard issue 9mm round. Yet despite perfect mushrooming and erratic travel thru the Hollywood bank robbers chest, hitting every major organ along the way, failed to stop him. Throw some bones, cartilage, and organs/muscles of varying density if ya want a realistic result.

@ Kpak 2714 Power matters not? So your carrying a 380 right? You’re really missing a major factor in the research data, you are making the assumption that the people conducting the research did so from an unbiased perspective. Everyone from civilian to LEO’s are citing the FBI data as if it’s gospel while ignoring that they have publicly acknowledged that it was their intention to find a 9mm that performed better than the 40 they were using. They are also ignoring that the FBI said that the data was specifically for the manner in which *THEY* utilize a handgun. Multiple people all firing multiple rounds until the suspect is motionless. You missed the most important reason that is a real positive in favor of the 9mm. Capacity. A G19 holds 2 more rounds than my full size HK USP 40 with the flush fit and one less with the extended. My Hellcat holds the same with its extended as the flush fit of the HK. Two other factors come into play. One is not everyone lives in the city & I carry as much for 2 legged attackers as I do 4 legged types. A partner of mine on the PD I was at shot a pit that jumped through the open window of his patrol car. Literally in his lap. Dog died of old age 8 years later. 9mm JHP’s from near contact distances. Lastly is confidence. If you don’t have confidence in the caliber for whatever reason then you are likely to not do as well with it. 9mm is fine. Handguns generally suck at stopping a threat immediately no matter the target. But don’t make the assumption that they are equal. There’s too many other factors at play.

Game warden and our police dept carry the 40.. 165 grain is better than the 125 9mil pea shooter.harder hits mean more knock down..

Just got mine... absolutely love it

interesting comment, I didn't even think about the restricted areas on capacity. Something to think about for sure.

Not a valid argument. Some compacts carry 7 or 8 like the Shield. It's all about shot placement. I conceal a snub nose that only has 5 rounds of 357/38.

Boycott the restricted states...or they will just get "stricter" hit them in their pockets

@@kevinrichardson8859 that's what Barrett did. He stopped selling to California and CA law enforcement.

@@megaman010391 good for them for having a spine

200gr ammo is available for 40S&W as well

@@mgsharnhorst To heavy for the 40 , I reload in 180 and 155 grain .

@@scottkeppler7442 eh, it penetrates a lot more than ball ammo, and velocity doesn't really matter that much with non expanding pistol rounds. Good for 4 legged assailants. Hogs don't like it very much at all.

@@scottkeppler7442 its hard-cast from Underwood and Buffalo Bore . For bears and such I guess

​@@scottkeppler7442 200 hardcast .40 is known for good under 500 lb bear medicine

Why the 165 over 180?

The 165 just seems perfect the velocity and ft lbs.

​@@davehardan8323 165 gives 16" of penetration and a fully formed Mushroom. The 155 is less penetration and more Mushroom. The 180 is more penetration and less Mushroom and might go through a bad guy. Good for mountain lions though 👍

​@@taasch2505 Right. That's my point. 2 holes are better than 1.

Underwood ammo my friend 155 grain hollow point 1200 fps second 582 ft lbs thats what I carry in my M&P and I carry 185 grain 45acp in my 1911 from underwood 1200fps second 592 ft lbs.

You might also like the .357 SIG, and all you need is a barrel swap to run it in most .40s. Same magazines and everything.

@@joshklaver47 I'll have to look into that, thanks.

@@rvmagnum5415 Yeah, it offers basically the best performance possible without moving up to a 10mm size frame. Very flat-shooting and excellent against hard barriers. Agencies like the Secret Service and Federal Air Marshals love .357 SIG P229s. The ammo never gets snapped up during panic buying as well.

I always laugh when some limp-wristed soy boy makes the recoil argument. My department carried and qualified with full power .40 duty loads. Prior to that we all carried dept issued .357 magnum with full power duty loads. We had an average of twenty female deputies who also handled the recoil with no complaints. What the hell happened to men in this country? I guess they should hire some of those little 100lb females to show them how to man up lol!

does that make you a .40 cal fanboy?

Such as ? calibers or brand names were talking about the 40.

No one's worried! It's a discussion/conversation...your communication skills are probably trash.

You really want some modularity? Buy a glock 20 or 29 (10mm) and you can buy barrels to shoot 45acp. Couple that with being able to shoot 40sw out of the 10mm already and you have one pistol that can handle 3 different calibers. Plus, you can even get barrels for it to shoot some other wildcat calibers.

if you gonna get a 45 be sure to get a 1911

Glock 21 all day, I got the g21 the g22 and the g23 lol

@@jessekaiman5182 That's the one I might just have to get since 1911s & HK USP45 are too expensive. My friend has a Glock21 & it's surprisingly a smooth shooter even with +Ps very accurate too. 45acp ammo is in stock in huge quantities where I'm from so is 40s&w.

@@perplexingperceptions8888 I sold my 1911 and am looking into getting another. I have a HK USP Expert in 45, no question HK makes great stuff I have 3 lol. But definitely can't be let down with the 21, you ever see the 460 rowland conversions? You can do all kinds of crazy conversions with it. Also other dude had it wrong, the g20 can't be converted to 45 unless you swap the whole slide. The g21 can be barrel swapped for 10mm though. I tossed a tlr1HL on my 21 and the recoil is next to none. Never shot +p in it though, the standard 230 hsts are already nasty.

Yes

Me too, it's my favorite pistol caliber.

9x19 FMJ will kill you effectively.

The flat nose of the 40s&w would make it feel like it transferred more energy to the target than round nose bullets that usually zap into fleshy targets.

Glock 33 will bring back your glory days

I’d take 40 instead of 9 any day

Have 1 of each

so whats your theory on why theyd be paid to prefer 9mm and by whom??

Nicely said. The 40 mushroomed up makes 9mm look like a midget round

@@Superset71 yet still they perform very similarly lol.

I agree. Got my SD40VE in 2007, gave less than 300. It has never had a malfunction. I also have 3 other calibers, but no favorites. My EDC is a P365 because of size.

If you, like the last generation of cops, transitioned from the .357 then the .40 is no big deal. If you weigh 90 pounds and are new to shooting, then you notice the .40 is a step up from the 9mm for recoil. That is the deal. Back in the day cops were averaging over 6 ft and 200 pounds. Now days cops are averaging smaller and there are a lot more women on the force. It cost less to train them on the 9mm. and one of those cost factors is controlling the recoil. All too often civilians followed law enforcement. They jumped on the bandwagon and are now falling off for the sole reason that law enforcement agencies are transitioning to the 9mm. Additionally, some early .40 guns ie glorified 9mm's enlarged to take a .40, looking squarely at Glock, fell apart while firing the .40. Now that all manufacturers have beefed up their guns as they should have done in the beginning. no more issues firing the .40.

@@alumniduck The size and weight of the firearm determines a lot in the recoil. A 9mm pocket pistol with full loads has a lot more recoil that a full sized 9mm. The same holds true for all firearms. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The heavier firearm absorbs some of that reaction.

@@russellkeeling9712 Don't compare apples to oranges. Take, for instance, a sig 226 in 9mm and one in .40 and there is no denying the .40 kicks more. More lead, more powder and more energy translates into more recoil. There is no getting around that. Just as you can't get around the laziness and ignorance that people have when they say a .40 kicked too much. In reality, All it takes is a good instructor and a bit of practice and all is good with a .40. Lastly, I really don't mind that the .40 scares off the ignorant. Let them go to the gun store and fight over the last 9mm's while I casually stroll in and get the .40.

I believe its because people hear something and they just go with it instead of trying to make up their own minds , the .40 s&w is my favorite pistol cartridge easy to shoot. imho

Yeah, and the same people who say that .40SW is too much are the same people going nuts for all these new 10mm guns. I just don't get it. To these people, .40 is simultaneously "too much" and "short and weak."

I am not familiar with that load but sounds scary from here. Thanks for viewing!

My Glock 27 with a longer Wolf screw-end barrel adds about 1" length for greater velocity 😁 and still perfect for carry.

they will be significantly lower velocity but .40 tends to do better with shorter barrels in terms of energy loss problem is that the G27 or glock .40s in general are not up to the pounding that .40 provides. they are 9mm frames with bigger barrels basically. not built for the extra oomph

I hate glocks but glad you like the 40 .

@@bobjones-bt9bh THats why I hate glocks and have a MP smith.

AIM just got in some 6.8. Haven't seen any in stock in a while

I live in black bear country and have had the experience of having my trout taken from me by a bear. I did not shoot the bear because he didn't want me he wanted to eat some fish, but I would have had no trouble dispatching him if I had needed to with the 40 Smith I carry. My .357 just got to heavy to carry all the time. It stretches the suspenders to much.

@@russellkeeling9712 Same thing happened to me a few years ago while camping a black bear showed up & grabbed the bag of McDonald's cheeseburgers I had LMAO 🤣 I didn't even try stopping him. I had my Ruger GP100 6" stainless with Federal champion 158 grain JSP rounds on my hip but since it didn't try anything on me I just left it alone.

Thank you for viewing and I couldn't agree more. Much maligned for some very dubious reasons. Stay safe and keep shooting.

the root beer 40

Well it's not a secret anymore lmao 😂

I bought some Federal 155 grain FMJ loads for my Glock22 & was blown away! Fatter & heavier than any 9mm load & lightning fast!

@@perplexingperceptions8888 i know! and like buddy said, in shtf or panic buying you won't be competing for the 9mm, which 90% of the population will be

UW 100gr XD 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

The test shows that 180gr is not to heavy for the 40

@@mgsharnhorst i disagree

165 is the sweet spot for 40. Seems to be most blind to difference in barrel length, and RIPS through just about any barrier you can throw it at even in an edc gun.

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There's a reason for that savings. While splitting hairs re the cost of a firearm how much is your ammo? I shoot enough that a variation of several hundred dollars in the cost of a gun is irrelevant.

You can get some really good deals on all the LE trade ins too. Really on all calibers but especially the .40 pistols and they are pretty abundant. Can get some really good deals on Sig 226, 229, Glock 23, 22, 27, and M&P40 seems like they are always like $100 less then the same LE trades in 9mm. I have a few LE trades they might have some finish wear from being carried every day but that is it they rarely ever get shot besides when they have to qualify they probably never see much of any other use. The ammo prices are up now but not long ago .40 S&W wasn't but a couple dollars more then 9mm and at times you can't find any 9mm but there will still be .40 on the shelves.

@@JesseLJohnson , yeah, some of my local shops get plenty of LE surplus.

@@phillipneill7315 anyone who shoots a lot would reload though right? Then cost is pretty much irrelevant between them.

Glocks sucks

Fiocchi loads the good ole Hornady XTP hollow point in 50 round boxes in 185 grain and 165 grain. The XTP bullet will give you optimum performance in a higher velocity application but the performance is still excellent in both weights ime and under $30 dollars for 50 rounds of quality defensive ammo is awesome nowadays.

its close I carry a 40 M&P I use underwood 155 grain 1200fps 582 ft lbs. , and in my 1911 I use underwood 185 grain 45acp 1200 fps 592 ft pounds. either way there both great rounds .

When the FBI decided to switch back to 9 mm I read their findings. After reviewing all documented police, FBI, self defense shooting data it appears there is no real difference in one shot stops between.380-9mm-40sw or 45! Also stoping power is not a thing. They determined it takes a shot to a vital organ to stop someone in their tracks (heart-lungs-brain) and from the data it’s clear anyone of those calibers will do the job as well as the others! So they decided to go with the caliber that is the easiest to control and holds the most rounds. Of course a 45 is hitting with more energy and punching a bigger plug in you then 9 mm! But that’s not what stops people quickly and effectively. A shot to the brain heart or spine is what quickly incapacitates someone and it doesn’t matter if it’s a 380-9mm-40 or 45! So everyone needs to stop arguing and spend that time and energy training with whatever gun they choose to carry! That’s per the FBI not me! Makes sense in my head but argue with them if you disagree I didn’t spend the time going through the autopsies and police reports to come to this conclusion they did!

If we are required to use modern bullet tech to make it equal, then all that stockpiled ammo that’s mostly FMJ speaks volumes. FMJ sucks for all of them, and there’s times that each caliber does a little better with FMJ. But as a general rule 40 & 45 performance with them is slightly better. Is it enough to make a difference? Probably not. But it’s enough to give pause. Especially if you live in a shit hole like NJ that outlawed JHP for peasants. 45 & 40 might be better in that situation.

It seems most LE are moving away from .40 to 9mm and some back to .45 ACP. I know here where I live unless things changed again they went from the G22 to an M&P45. Then some dept here were using .45 GAP sure they have canned that by now. There is multiple dept here though I know at least the cops that I had my last classes with to get other state CCW permits said they were then carrying M&P45s but I know they used to have Glock 22s. I think the state police were using .45 GAP but sure that has changed by now probably something like a Glock 17 now. Then there is Horry County PD, NMB and all the other police departments probably mostly consisting of a Glock of some sort pretty sure most all were Glock 22 but that was 10-15 years ago probably most have changed by now but I know at least MBPD was carrying M&P45s unless its changed again since then

Thanks for viewing! Police Department's often times ,unfortunately, use many criteria to choose a caliber, and budget ranks near the top of that list. Not saying that they are putting their officer's at risk with the 9mm but they also do take lot's into account not related to terminal ballistics.

@Kev Campbell I was involved in three on duty shootings w/my issued .38 and it did the job in all but one instance, and that guy was up on cocaine, felt no pain. The difference between the two rounds, .40 & 9MM is so slight either will work given proper shot placement. Stay safe sir.

@@AmmoMart I have been watching quite a few body cam videos of fairly recent police shootings. From what I have seen, the 9mm. is performing piss poorly. These pencil pushers should be ashamed of themselves. I mean,I can see the FBI not giving a crap about anyone; but these state and county commissioners are putting their officers at risk with this penny pinching crap.

@Peter Angles That's what I've tried telling people. There's an article where some guy named masad ayoob who put 80K rounds through a stock Glock22 gen 3 without stopping in one day & only a few small parts had to be replaced.

Most people don't get to pick and choose where the shot placement actually ends up. To many factors, hence a little more power incase you just hit some plain ol meat.

Winchester makes the best bonded cup core hollowpoint, I like the RA 40 b in 180.

Full power .357 will send a 125 at over 1600fps. 40 is a great round, but it doesn't come close to the .357 Magnum.

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Can't go wrong with 10mm

Also, most 10mm pistols will run .40 if you want to save on ammo at the range.

@@joshklaver47 i think Glocks are the only suspect prone to mess up when shooting 40. But i don't have proof. I've only heard it prematurely wears out your extractor and barrel.

Me too. Where I'm from police are shooting criminals 5 times or more & they always survive, but many years ago when they still carried Glock22s 40s&w it took 2-3 shots & sometimes even got 1 shot stops. Police around the country swear by the effectiveness of 40s&w.

@@perplexingperceptions8888 i totally agree, 9mm is overrated, overhyped and underperforming! 9mm fanboys only obsess over it because they take their opinions and choices from government force arms for some very odd strange reason, the checklist for needs of government is very different than theirs, the government force arms mainly choose 9mm because of cost and weight/amount ratio(military)

@@ethanmac639 I forgot to mention that those police are using the new bullet technology that 9mm fanboys always bring up in every conversation & the violent attackers still make it to the hospital & survive after getting shot multiple times by the new bullet tech.

@@ethanmac639 From what I've heard & seen even the slow moving 45auto is more effective than 9mm.

@@perplexingperceptions8888 exactly, also, they always compare 9mm to .40 s&w for wear/tear, follow-up shots, accuracy, muzzle-rise/flip, cost and pressure...but they are using regular 9mm ball ammo, which has the same pressure as .40 s&w, the exact same, 35,000psi, so i don't get why they call .40 s&w a "high pressure cartridge caliber", and when they use, especially carry 9mm +p & 9mm +p+(which creates it's own problems, training with regular 9mm and carrying 9mm +p & 9mm +p+) the pressure of those rounds increases by 10% each time, so 38,500psi and 42,000psi respectively, so it is the 9mm that is a "high pressure cartridge caliber" if anything, in relative terms compared to the .40 s&w anyways! and those +p rounds are harder on guns and create worse results in all the things above i mentioned that they lay on the feet of the .40 s&w, and not too mention cost more...much more than regular .40 s&w fmj yup i like the .45 acp too, great round, much better than 9mm, you can get 15+ in the fn fnx, and even 10 rounds .45 acp in a compact is better than 15 rounds 9mm in a compact, everyone carries extra mags! and the .45 acp truly is still a one shot stop, even though .40 s&w slightly outperforms it, the size and weight of that .45 acp still counts

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Had to throw in the word maby didn't ya? No it will do a better job .advance to ammo apples to .40&.45 also .folks just can't except reality that 9mm is way down on the list and defently down from .40&45 .will a nine do? Sure but its far from a .40

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Or a 357 sig barrel and have 3 calibers

@@FoulPet if loaded Hot 🔥.357sig = 9mm Magnum.

@@johnwelsh4750 Not sure why it's not more popular. 12+1 rounds of 125 grains going 357 mag velocities is just nice.

My goal is to get all my glocks in 40cal because it is a great cartridge. Not only that but if you want you can also shoot 9mm by dropping a 9mm conversion barrel😎