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stop the fan noise crying bs ...how do youll live day to day a horn honk must deffin you for days...all your doing is seeming weaker then literal infants....yall are the nights that say ne ....its so sad ...do yall go to the beach with ear protection on because we all know wind noise is the most dangerous thing ....or at the vary least STOP LOWERING FAN SPEEDS IN TESTS BECAUSE ITS TO LOAD and then saying thermals are bad ....take away 2 cylinders from your car and expect it to not be worse ....you literally destroy your testing and any credibility all because your ears cant take a low humm
@Gamersnexus How come the arctic liquid freezer 2 420 is in the statistics twice, with different temperature values? thermals 200w 100% fan speed. offset bracket position?
It uses Chronoshift technology to transport the CPU's heat load back in time to before the CPU became hot. I would also recommend the Iron Curtain based heat shield AIO.
If you haven't yet, look up "DORF Real-Time Strategic Conflict" It's a new indie strategy game which is a spiritual successor to the original C&C/Red Alert games, with a similar art style and unit designs.
So one of the things to consider when reviewing these AIOs is using a standardized set of fans so you know how well the water cooling aspect of the solution works vs the whole package. If you could get ground breaking performance from an AIO just by replacing the fans with a high airflow/static pressure solution that would be really helpful to know.
Good point. Ive used Push/Pull setups with high end fans on lower end 240s/360s. The difference was crazy of course. $75 cooler with some Phanteks T30s will cool a 13900k lol. Wont be quiet, but still lol.
You can kind of tell this already by comparing the full speed graph vs the noise normalized one. Generally the limiting factor for AIO's (and all heatsinks really) is the thermal density of what they are cooling and the thermal conductivity between the cpu die and their fins. Another catch for a heatsink is heatpipe orientation as the CCD's will utilize fewer heatpipes if the heatsink is installed in one direction vs another.
While this is absolutely worth considering, it should also be noted that buying different fans will cost more money. That can easily push an otherwise price competitive product into being more expensive than other products that already come with premium fans that gain nothing from different fans. And once you go down that route, you'll also have to do it for air coolers, where most can take standard fans as well.
Also IMO to try to minimize the extra work that could even replace the uncapped fan tests becase as its been said many times fans just brute force with speed and how realisticly is it that anyone would put up with that nosie level so really is it all that relevant...
@@GabrielRodrigues-fg6ex It is annoying but kind of makes sense. There really should be no reason to use a fill port under the warranty period. If something goes wrong, send it back.
It's useless to the end-user without a second opening to bleed air through. Manufacturers don't need one because they evacuate all the air from the loop before they pump liquid in - it's much quicker that way, and you can detect leaks while the unit is dry.
@@GabrielRodrigues-fg6ex In the US such "warranty void" stickers are actually illegal due to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act. The act protects people doing reasonable basic maintenance or repair of items but might require a trip to small claims court to enforce. But on smaller items may not be worth the time, but if its worth your time you can get the company ordered to refund you if they refuse to honor the warranty. For smaller items like this companies will risk it, as even up to a few hundred dollars like game consoles and computers as the stickers will cover the cost of the few who take it to small claims court, but you WONT see this on say the oil cap for a new car. That people will take to court in a heartbeat.
One Idea for AIO testing: Could you use the same fans for all AIOs? This would bring out more the noise differences of the pumps and flow efficiencys. Sure the included fans are mendatory but could be tested seperately.
Could not be happier you are growing as the most reliable and unbiased source for reviews . Show everyone how it's done Steve . Businesses should take note of your channel. So happy for your success .
It would be interesting to see how this weird push-pull pump setup works with better fans, as it sounds like it's competitive with crap fans. I like that it has a fill port, that's something more AIO's could do with.
Yeah, to everything you said, the current test setup seems to test out of the box and not so much testing the AIO, some good things like the flatness and pressure map of the cold plate, but then uses the stock fans which is more a test of the stock fans ability and really should be in a fan test video, testing all the AIO's with the same fans would seem like it would give a more consistent test between AIO's, the issue being 120 and 140 Rads, with regards to pressure and volume of air and perceived auditory volume.
@@MrTrilbe I totally agree with ya, it seems to be solid other than the fans. I wonder how it would hold up over time. Also, I would be very interested to see the performance with one of the pumps disabled- Having dual pumps sounds great for redundancy on paper, but I have no clue how that would work in practice. I can kinda understand why they didn't swap fans. I guess because an AIO is supposed to be "All in one"/ plug and play, but I wouldn't mind throwing some upgrade fans on one of it's at the top of the pack- for me, swapping some fans on an AIO still beats the headache of open loop even if the price is close with less performance.
When every AIO manufacturer was using Asetek's pump design, it wouldn't have made sense to do that kind of test. Now that there is some varied competition on the market I agree, I would like to see "standardized fan tests" for these coolers to see who has the better pump/coldplate design.
@@AlanTwoRings But the full product is sold with Fans. So The full product should be tested as it is. When a car is being tested it is tested as it was sold. A test with wider tires, a new suspension and maybe a tuned engine wouldnt help. It can be tested but thats more something special.
Just installed this cooler on my AM5 platform yesterday. Wasn't my choice, got it for free from a friend, that said, very nice performance on my end. Gave me the same thermals I got from better-known brands with a much greater price tag attached. I don't know if it's going to stand the test of time, but so far so good. And just a quick note, my fans are as quiet as previously installed coolers by Corsair, maybe I just got a better set, because they are pretty silent while giving very good cooling.
i love seeing more companies create something we have not seen before or exactly like this. I love the innovation with the dual pumps ! very interesting to see how this stands up over time. I did however notice some particles on the copper fin stack that worry me slightly. I would think they didnt flush the rad quite well enough.
@GamersNexus Spotted a potential duplication at 14:57 for the "[3x 140] [45.1 dBA] Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 ~1648RPM" data - I see it twice on there, with temps of 46.5 and 48.2. Separately, been soldering a ton on your recent soldering mat, and loving it. Thanks for being awesome
20:20 It appears that the same pressure test image was used for pass 2 on both the 3800X and 3950X. Great review, I really enjoy the reviews of oddball components.
I can definitely vouch for the benefits of the stiffer tubing. I have an old Cooler Master Nepton 280L that I bought back in 2013 or so (before Asetek sued everyone and it was pulled from the market) that has been in use 24/7 since it was purchased, with no notable degradation to cooling capacity. Despite it being off the market for half a decade when socket AM4 came out, an adapter kit was made available and the cooler has remained useful without ever needing to be refilled or serviced in any other way. Used it on everything from the FX-8350 I bought it for to a 1700x to a 3900x to a 5600x. Getting a decade of use out of unmaintained mechanical components is crazy imo.
Damn, Nepton 280L! I had one of those monsters before, cooled my FX-9370 pretty well! Sounds like a jet engine tho, befitting the JetFlo 140mm fans. Sadly the fans broke when they got choked with sand when I moved to a desert country, so changed them to IP67 Noctua iPPC fans. Still damn good, but I sold them off later on and decided to just stick with air cooling ever since I went Ryzen. Still great cooler tho.
Like the new format, very nice. Have you ever considered testing custom loop components? It occurred to me that data like yours re flatness and mounting pressure etc would be excellent for selecting the best individual components.
I can't wait for the fan testing results to start. I'm very curious about how different fans affect a cooler performance. Testing this AIO with standardized fans vs other AIO could show how much a push pull pump truly affects the performance.
It could until they broke it all. Otherwise it would be a good test case for other better fans. Even higher end coolers can have their fans swapped for quieter or better flow versions.
A great review which probably will help a lot of potential buyers. The screen probably is one of the cool features, because most AIO with a screen cost twice as much as this one. The fan connectors too. I think for this kind of price the product is a really cool alternative. I would probably buy one like that.
I really love the breakdown and review of these obscure, bizarre or otherwise abnormal cooling solutions. And GN is of course the best at breaking down all the accurate information in a way that’s at least mostly digestible for the laymen. Entertaining and informative, can’t ask for more than that!👍
Thanks Steve, you and the GN team have taught me so much over the last two years and thanks to your guys help I built a budget gaming rig out of a circa 2017 Workstation pc. i7 6700 (turboed to 3.8 MHz) paired with a 600w EVGA psu and an RTX 1080 fe with 16 gb ram for less than $400 has given me phenomenal performance on every I tried. American Truck Sim can run basically full tilt with around 70 fps avg, Metal helsinger and sonic frontiers also run maxed out settings. Havnt bought anything else that's a heavy hitting title yet but I run all this with the air cooler it came with
It looks very well engineered, they really put a lot of love in that product. I like the pumps. The next generation is quite likely going to beat Arctic if they iterate on what they have.
These are all clumped together within 1C or 2C because they're reaching physical boundaries of how much heat they can move off the CPU with that volume of liquid. Apart from lowering the noise level, they're not going to get much better performance out of a 240mm or 360mm AIO.
@@markh4750 Stronger pump pressure allows more efficient heat exchange, faster flowrate allows more heat exchange. I don't know the physical limits of those small systems but they are certainly not reached.
You guys are great! I’m a new subscriber and first time PC builder (started yesterday @ microcenter w/ AMD 7700x bundled w/ MSI b650p pro, 2x16 6000+ ram for $400!) Your product tests have already helped with a few of my decisions, like planning on the Peerless Assassin dual-tower cooler. I look forward to bingeing your back catalog!
On the 100% fan charts (around 16:00), the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 is listed twice - same fans, same RPM, same dB level, but one at 46.5 and one at 48.2. Is that a mistake, or is there a difference in the runs? VRM fan maybe?
I use Alseye's W12 fans for my rig with an overclocked 3070 and i7-13700k in a Hyte Y60 and I love them so much. Not too loud, look amazing, and perform well enough in my setup I've never had to worry about thermals. So far Alseye has a good rep for me
On the fan design & resulting noise, the number of struts relative to the number of blades is in fact relevant. You want those two number to be *coprime* - that is, not divisible by each other and sharing no prime factors in common. That's because, as each blade passes each struct, it produces a pulse of turbulence noise, and if those pulses all happen at the same time, it makes a louder overall noise than if they happen at different times. (For an example of these noise pulses, listen to sonar recordings of a big ship's propeller, where typically a three-blade propeller interacts with the single "strut" of the ship's keel and rudder, thus making a sound like a steam locomotive working hard.)
Neat concept. Hopefully they'll look at these insights and refine the fan design a little. maybe simplify the dual pump (lowering costs) a little. Sounds like with those two changes it would be a very recommendable product.
I saw the thumbnail, instantly thought "Chronosphere", and then heard you say it inside the first 30 seconds of the video. Thank you Steve, you absolutely made my day.
First thing I do is replace any fan with a noctua fan. I know this isn't typical when testing a product as a whole but for people who do the same as me, which these days isn't an outlier, I'd like to see results with identical fans instead of just trying to tweak the fans that come with it to be a certain decibel value. Also , there's a world of difference between decibels created at higher frequencies compared to decibels created at lower. Cheers.
3rd place in noise normalized thermals with lousy fans. Seems like this would do pretty darn well if you swapped the fans, even for something fairly cheap like Arctic's P12. I have several of those just laying around. This design might top the charts if every AIO was running the same fans.
Could you hack a gpu block into this? Seems like the two pumps should have enough pressure.... throw some stronger fans on the radiator, and you've got an extremely efficient full setup!
I think the general commentary about stator / rotor designs on fans is that you want to keep both at different numbers and odd/even configurations to try to mitigate some of the noise. While I get that they tried to increase the static pressure here, a stator on fans also increases the wake turbulence and noise. The designers did angle both differently, but the configuration guidelines still stand.
This cooler would be great in a Star Wars themed build as the cpu pump looks like Plant Hoth shield generator or escape pods for the droids 😅😂🤣. Add this to the Titan XP Star Wars gpus and Tech Yes City’s Darth Ja Ja build …. 😘😘
*Alseye is just AWESOME !!! I have 7 builds with them, 2 with Air, and 5 with Water coolers ( AIO) , and they ALL, work just PERFECTLY !!!* Just awesome quality, for the money !!!
This is an interesting product, especially an AliExpress product. As someone who usually replaces the AIO fans to match what ever build I'm doing. I'm quite shocked though that neither you or the company who has created this AIO has thought about redundancy with the pump design. This could be a massive selling point. If 1 pump fails does the other keep working? It could throw an error on the PC informing the user that a pump has failed and they could continue using the computer until it is replaced. Which is a lot better than the current (pump fails, cpu heats up the block, it reaches max temp and then shuts down) leaving the user without a computer until another can be bought and arrive.
Origami PCBs, pretty common in LED bulbs and other similar devices where they intersect boards to reach multiple spots of the item to not use wires. I like it.
I do enjoy seeing this amount of effort for a mounting system it has room for improvment maybe improving manufacturing tolerances and QA to solve their mounting pressure issue
Someone clearly cared about this. I don't think I'd ever buy one just because of the odd brand and additional points of failure, but it's really cool to see.
I was not expecting a reference to Red Alert Chrono Tanks today. -Well done, Steve.- Thanks, Steve. I just hope Comrade Stalin doesn't buy one of these AIOs, it'll probably explode in his computer. I'm sure some tea will make him feel better though.
Here's a recommendation. When you come across a fan setup like this that you can't get to a noise normalised level in the usual way, test it with the lowest SPL you can obtain without errors or trickery to get it to work. The result should be highlighted as such but that would be more meaningful to me as a "what is the average user going to get" scenario. That aside, I really love the look of the pump. I didn't get your meme references to it, but to me it looks like an industrial turbine housing. I'd be very tempted to get it for that and just use the stock front mounted fans of my Be Quiet! 500fx case instead.
To be honest they could ditch the fans and reduce the cost and I think be good here in the case of noise as people could get better and quieter fans on their own. Maybe a second model version just without the fans could work well. I never liked the AIO block style and it kinda is why I never really wanted to go for it. This looks good and a little bit of noise that sounded to be a consistent low pitch does not bother me at all. A lot of parts does not mean it will break and fail quickly. I have seen some engines and transmissions that have almost 2x the parts of older know reliable versions that do well and they are known and proven to be reliable and hardly fail and if they do then its abuse and/or lack of maintenance. Overall the low performance is not the pump but the fans and that's mostly noise normalize. Would have been good if you could do a Fan swap as a nice addition to the tests for most of these fan included AIOs to see if a fan removed version would rank them higher if you could chose your own fans. This one might be in that case. If anything it might make enough of a request that the ones making these might offer that version later as a proof of concept.
I'll be waiting for Part 2 of your review, where you (attempt) to reassemble the AIO pump. Good luck with that one. There are two improvements that all AIOs should have in their AIOs. A fill port, located on the radiator, and a small replaceable water filter, similar to the ones found in lawn sprinklers. Transparent hoses would be nice to have. These modifications would allow for colored water to be used in the loop.
Strange products, but honestly not terrible. Pleasantly surprised by this one, especially the manufacturing. With a puzzle box as complicated as that, I'm amazed it didn't release a bunch of cenobites into the room.
I love these videos! Really cool fan and honestly not a bad product overall despite the shortcomings. Hopefully the company does improve the product as it's actually something I'd consider buying just for the novelty and the fact that it does do the job decently enough for what I'd need it for.
20:20, hey it looks like you folks accidentally reused one of the "Pass 2" scan results, as they are identical down to the pixel. As usual though, you guys are super thorough with your methodology and its super appreciated, keep up the good work.
That was quite the disassembly video! I've rebuilt hundreds of pumps, various designs all kinds of applications, this one is in need of a K.I.S.S. lesson. Using a dual pump in series for such a low pressure system is such a gimmick, way too complicated in this case!
I blows my mind when decent sized companies don't have a native speaking person review websites/advertisements/Product Info for the language its written. I mean I'm 100% positive they could have found a truly fluent English speaking person to help edit stuff for $100 if not less, witch would help sell more products. I'm sorry if I'm reading something that is clearly not important enough for them to make sure the advertisement is coherent or even mostly correct then it makes me think they don't put money into the products themselves even if its not the case and they make good products. Im sure this happens for most major languages, but with the internet today it should be very rare IMO.
Your content is NEVER not useful, even for products no one wants or needs. You help keep the manufacturers millions of consumers rely upon to be honest and good value. Thanks Steve, and thanks to all the of the GN team, friends and family. ♥️
Wonderful piece of kit for the price. Too bad they couldn't get the display straight. I would love to see AIOs tested with popular fans used by people actually building systems. That would provide excellent data on which coolers are better without considering the fans they come with. I always use my own fans to match my build so knowing which coolers are better regardless of fans is something I would be very interested in.
It would be cool if you would take a trip to Thailand to visit the Tech malls in Bangkok. I went to a place there a few years ago, about 5 floors high, all computer parts, robotics, drones etc. Absolutely full of Chinese stuff I have never heard of in my life, for absolutely dirt cheap. Really fascinating stuff. It's clear China is full of talented engineers and small companies most have never heard of and their technology industry internally and in Asia is developing rapidly. You can go to almost any small back alley street in Thailand and you will find internet cafes full of home built Chinese gaming PCs, full of kids playing games I have never heard of or seen. PC gaming in particular is far more popular than consoles. Consoles like Japanese and American imports are extremely expensive boutique toys for the rich, but PCs can be built for cheap and shared communally. I for one would donate to you for the trip if you set up some kind of fund.
I'd love to see something like this designed for redundancy. Pumps are the most common AIO failure. If it comes with 2 but can operate with 1, that's a meaningful advantage
Longshot and would probably add some complexity, but it would be neat to have a couple measures on the coolant like TDS and Glycol percentage to get an idea of the quality of water used and how much freeze resistance it has if you buy one in the winter in parts of the world. TDS meters are fairly inexpensive on Amazon and Glycol can be measured with a cheap refractometer. Water with high TDS is probably poor quality from a well somewhere and not cleaned up well before use, that could result in problems later on with biological growth or minerals/metals in the water reacting and leaving deposits or sludge.
You'd have to buy it because how it looks, but same can be said for the arctics. I also wonder if Lian Li allowed them to use the exact same fan connection system :)
