STRANGER THINGS Season 4 Ending Explained! Season 5 Theories & Volume 2's Biggest Questions Answered 

Don't forget about #8, in older interviews Duffer Brothers said that storyline will come back into play before the end of the series, remember she can make people see or not see what ever she wants, like spiders crawling all over that dude with the Mohawk hand & arm

What is the Origin of Henry Creel's power ?

Just labrats stories! Ppl getting killed

@@pi.log10 YES

1. What is the TRUE origin of the UD? 2. (I think this is confirmed at this point but…) Is 001/Henry/Vecna the mind flayer? 3. When and how did 008 escape? (bc she wasn’t there when 001 un-alived the kids.) OPEN DISCUSSION…

yeah dude i screamed and woke my husband up

I’m still mad and I just watched it a hour ago from making this comment

Eleven can undo it Edit - she got her fractured bones plastered. So we expect to see her again in s5

During the max and Eddie scenes all i could think was "it shouldve been mike" cuz fuck mike.

Never cried so hard in my entire life.

@LuckyTiger I hope you are right, she is my favorite character

Fuck dude your probably 100% right. He’s gonna have to be killed for max to come back. My concern is how the upside down was opened and created. Did 11 create that world or did she just open the portal? Because if she created it I am worried that she’s gonna have to sacrifice herself to save everyone

Meh, people use that "they're not really dead as long as they're in our thoughts" line all the time. I don't imagine this is going to be something different, I think he meant that he "ate" them, as in absorbed their essences and such, but they're definitely gone for all intents and purposes. It's like saying you ate something and it became a part of you, so it's not really "gone", but it's definitely not its own thing anymore.

@@Blueeyesinthesky no she didn’t create it. Just accidentally opened the gate. The world was always there most likely.

@@Blueeyesinthesky I'm thinking that might happen either way in the end.

@Tyler Troyano I wish though Vecna would have purely sadistic and evil and not be complex. Given what he does is pretty evil but he thinks he's rational and justified. I don't like that they tried to make the audience sympathize and empathize with him a little bit because of all he did.

man those two are the best thing about the show other than the bald bearded flamethrowing russian speaking guy (im so bad w character names lol ive seen every season multiple times)... i think they both need way more action in the final season. sadie is my fave but lucas was b4 she showed up. hes so sweet.

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 i dont sympathize w him at all lol, idc how justified he thought he was or what all happened to him, he was literally a psychopath from an early age. he had no reason to be so sadistic.

@@aknownwizard1908 good.

Heart* Learn to spell

Alternatively, the fourth dimension in conventional physics is time, which was both alluded to and manipulated throughout Season 4. The fifth dimension deals with the concept of a tesseract, which describes how space can (in theory, at least) be warped.

Um, what? Four is a _square._ Infinity is a circle. If you mean four is a polygon, then _three_ is the simplest polygon.

@@isaacharvey451 This is mainly all wrong apart from time being (very loosely speaking) the 'fourth dimension' - source a physicists

What if the number 4 is just number 4 and there's no backstory or bullshit theories behind it? .........

A circle actually has no points and one face

I was wondering why the duffer brothers didn’t just tell us he was gay but I remembered it takes place in the 80s being gay back then was completely looked down upon

@@Romonedu and i think Will could still be not sure if he is gay or not, I really hope if he does his friends will support him.

Will is a sad character. It’s not a very good time to be gay in the 80s because of HIV. He is lucky his brother is very sensitive and empathetic and he has no father.

@@taonglobo Technically he still has a dad, but he's a useless dropkick who's called Will homophobic slurs since he was a kid (as did his childhood bullies). So Jonathan reaffirming that he'll accept Will no matter what was probably Very needed after growing up with Lonnie.

@@robbiesmith8055 one thing for sure. If will lives to grow old I think he can never move on. He is damage goods.

This comparison made me laugh so much, I would have never made the connection lol

@@sofiaescobar4455 🤣🤣🤣

I love him so much

@@sofiaescobar4455 I know right lol

Argyle was my second favorite new character this season, right behind the legend Eddie Munson.

Agree with you on everything am 48 and I have loved the nostalgia this show gives me ,, I love stranger things the writers the cast … Everything!!!!!

Yes!!! Im 45 also

You,brown, you are willing become my loved and pregnant wife?

I am your age. I love it. If it was staged in Modern times, I don't think I would be rooting for the kids.

best program ever

I’m gonna call Vecna Edna from now on…it’ll really piss him off . 🤣

@@yanetchka Just call him henry, and say he just average human like us. it will piss him more

Technically, El needed victims as well - she had to banish Henry to the Upside Down in order to open the portal. Same with the Demigorgon. Honestly, these are metaphors for banishing abuse from your life. It's locked away in a dark place inside of the mind. We can heal and overcome the past, but it can also haunt us at any time.

@@indisummers4385 u right I think el used the dead brothers n sisters who Henry killed to open the portal

Without doubt. I don't think we've even seen El at her full potential yet. I think we got a glimpse in Season 2 when she closes the gate but she's going to be 🔥 in season 5. There's something else too. During the scene where she breaks free from vencas vines it's easy to forget that what we saw was a mind fight not a physical one. She was inside vecnas mind when she did that so that means she overpowered his control to release her without him even knowing it. I also wonder how a physical 1v1 will play out. El was fighting long distance on Vecnas turf and jumping through hoops to do it. Face to face might play out differently.

Demi-Eddie?

@@ThinkStory a d-Eddie if you will.

Fun theory, I think Vecna will bring him back alive just like El did for Max, all he has to do is keep his heart moving, or maybe just heal him within himself, idk I think it would be awesome to see Eddie as an actual bad guy without the group actually knowing, like a soy

I liked Eddie but bringing him back wouldn't feel right it would take away from his sacrifice

@@melanindread Eddie was my favorite character this season so as much as i want him to return, it would take away the emotional impact of his sacrifice

She's alive but Henry did a number on her already so she's half dead. But she'll come back next season. If they wanted to kill her off she'd be dead by now.

EXACTLY.

OMG FINALLY SM1 WITH SENSE! its so annoying how everyone is like "how did el bring back max? Does she have sm healing powers? How did she bring max back from death? Did she resurrect max?" Like ppl dont think i swear! ALL el did was made her beat again by pressing her heart with her telekinesis, and we already knkw she can press internal organs too, when she mad troy pee himself in s1 by pressing his bladder

Yea I figured she did something like that

I do have one thing to say, while it does makes sense for 11 to just pump the heart, two things would need to happen. Since max stopped breathing when she was “dead” any oxygenated blood she had left was all she had. Secondly, 11 had to pump enough blood to max’s brain that was still oxygenated and get the cycle going. I’m not sure how long that takes or what amount but just good for thought. Another thing, cpr works because it applies just enough pressure to start the heart, and not so much that it damages the person. So 11 just squeezing max’s heart just by feeling probably wouldn’t work out. And 11 just had the fight of her life, so I feel like reviving someone isn’t really possible at that moment. Also we’ve never seen 11’s powers work from this range let alone through seeing max in her mind. It just seems weird that all 11 has to do is say no and she’ll be able to do all sorts of new things. Also let’s be honest, did she REALLY know max? She had one day where they had a sleepover and now they’re best friends? With all the trust issues 11’s had it doesn’t really seem all that like her to be so attached so quickly. It just feels like she had too many aces up her sleeve for it to make sense. Sometimes it’s not as simple as “she started her heart back up.” Just my opinion, I know I’m over complicating things and I’m sure they will have a reason at some point, but with what we were given it’s pretty hard to believe everything worked out like that

I was half expecting his heavy metal rock to like drive the bats haywire messing up their sonar and maybe lighting and storm in the background.

My absolute hands down favorite scene of any movie or series everrrrrrr!

That scene was Metal AF!!!!!!!!

Funny that you said that I got a new hope vibes when the guards in the Nina project bunker were getting ready for the other soldiers braking in the door it reminded me of the tentative 4 stormtroopers vs rebels.

Actually Luke lost to Vader at empire strikes back

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Yes. That's why I wrote "face defeat under Vader/Vecna"

@@amanms1999 oh I miss read it sorry

Kinda like poetry, they rhyme

Glad Max has a bigger role now

Just please no time travel......

@@miscellaneousgoblin910 I was hoping as well. But they seem to being jumping through dreams/thoughts/memories. Which can be altered maybe to release Max's powers if we are going to go that route.

Yes! I was thinking the whole time that Max will get a power too!

@@miscellaneousgoblin910 i feel like there might have to be something time related- i doubt the writers would put so much emphasis on the fact that the upside down is stuck in 1983 unless they were going to do something with it

@padmikcos, Max is my favorite Stranger Things character. I wish though Vecna would have purely sadistic and evil. He is literally a demon after all and the main characters have to kill him.

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Max is mine too! Tbh since S5 is the last season, I think Vecna will be a lot more brutal. I know people were mad that a main character hasn't been killed off yet but I don't think any of them are safe in this last season.

@@padmik92 I just wish Vecna was pure evil and sadistic like Voldemort

i also think will and max will have powers

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I personally like that they made him humane and not just another monster to battle… we have enough of those in ST

Notice that too 😉

Which part?

@@theredmocha Actually it was around 18 minutes before they grab the flamethrower he pulls out a pack of filtered cigarettes and a couple seconds later the top is on the table

I'm not a smoker but I'm curious What was the point of him doing that?

@@theredmocha Well not sure exactly but if you watch Jim Hopper he only smokes unfiltered cigarettes and even has a moment with Joyce who coughs because they are 2-3x stronger than filtered. The Camel's in Russia were only filtered so he stayed in character by ripping the filter off ;)

How cool would it be if Max got the minds of all of Vecna's victims to revolt and stage a prison break?

Yeah, that is my prediction as well. Since Venca gains power by shackling his victims minds within himself, the key to weakening him will be releasing all those that he has killed. Max may very well be the key to doing this.

My thoughts exactly!

didn't the writers say Will will play a big role in season 5

@@MultiKeto Yes, I've been hearing more about that so that's exciting. Who knows maybe vicna will use Will as his host body now

Because everyone that doesn't understand the "upside down" in Hawkins only assumes it's an earthquake. They state this in the last episode. However, I too didn't like the fact the duffer bros made a time jump of '2 days later'. Because we all seen Eddie cut the rope to the portal, so how did Dustin, Steve, Nancy, Robin get back to 'real life'? I feel like this scene was rushed.

@@gessh6872 I dont think its that much of a leap to say the gang managed to get back from the upside down, i mean theres no immediate threat to them in the upside down ad im sure they could figure out how to go back through the portal without a rope, i mean dustin did it with a chair lol

They talk about how Eleven never lost like this before, so I assume they know there's a giant crack in hawkins, but I don't think they expected it to start contaminating the normal world.

Until the scene when the portal opens I thought this finale will be epic. Then, this 2 days jump happened. I thought, Ok, I'm sure the entire US army is at hawkings by now and they trying to lock down the place and figure out what to do, everybody is in panic and running for their lives. Instead, everybody was chill and calm, slowly and peacfully preparing to leave the city, reporters are reporting meters away from the portal and besides 1-2 solder there are no sign of any significant military deployment. WHAT the actuall f**ck??? This made 0 sense to me, its completely ridiculous... This is such an incredible plothole that almost destroys the entire tension which was built up until the point when the portal opened. I just don't understand how could they think this was a good artistic choice...

Well Hawkins has no a history of monsters from season 1 to 3 so guess they're used to it now.

I hope not, I hated that season 2 episode

I hope so, I don't think eleven can close that giant gate on her own so getting 8 and characters from the comics involved seems necessary. Same with the army nancy mentioned

interesting if she got a sort of similar fate to classic loki from..loki or something like that. Her power is definitely unique but a lot less useful overall, and other than a good distraction i can't really see her doing all that much.

I just found that part really unnecessary, like what was the reason. It felt like they just needed to quickly fill a gap. Eleven went and left so suddenly and she’s never been mentioned since.

8 can come back… the rest can stay in Chicago.

Robin be like: Henry slash Vecna slash one Lol

Yea

@@Joe-fm6my I actually laughed so hard when she said that because people were already calling him that in all the comments on the videos for part 1!

Season 1 was new 2 was same ol' same ol' but it had great character development and cute kids coming out age romance that's nostalgic even for adults. Season 3 was boring with the Russians. But season 4 is great thanks to new villain Henry and the backstory of El and what happened at Hawkins lab. Humans always make the most compelling villains than mindless monsters because human villains always make interesting character studies.

Season one was still the best. Lots of mystery and a slow build up of horror and an atmosphere that can’t be replicated. I still enjoy the series as a whole

I wish though Vecna would have purely sadistic and evil and not be complex. Given what he does is pretty evil but he thinks he's rational and justified. I don't like that they tried to make the audience sympathize and empathize with him a little bit because of all he did. And plus the main characters will have to kill him off. So I don't see the point in him being complex and sympathetic if he will eventually go down and needs to be killed?

Jason's a main character? 🤨

i wanted nancy to decide she wanted to date whats her name instead of them boys lol, or just decide to be single and maybe them boys could find "comfort" in each other

@@aknownwizard1908 its not pride month no more stfu

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 because that’s decent character design? There are times where having a mustache twirling, evil for the hell of it type villains is for the best. And personally I agree with you I think the entities that the protagonists go up against in this show should be just that. But I also like what they did. Because it’s not that you have to sympathize with him, just understand to a degree what he’s getting at and why. And his motives aren’t bad. He truly believes in what he’s doing and makes it hard to argue with those beliefs, because in a way what he’s doing is beyond what humans would ever consider rational. To him he’s a god and who is anyone to argue with what he has accomplished. All they can do is fight and in the end I don’t think anyone will be left feeling sad when he goes, maybe just like “hell yea finally”. And that’s probably what they’re going for

Me too! And Hawkins is like the “gravity well” with Vecna at the center instead of Viola :•o

U don't say Mr.obvious.....

well i'd argue vecna is not actually human anymore xd

Upon first watch this is still the case. This retcon only just happened and we still got to watch the first 3 seasons under the impression that it was a hive mind. Vecna isn’t really redeemable either he’s technically killed everyone you’ve seen die on screen

yeah, human imagination is very limited... to humans, more specifically to males. it would have been cooler to have a non-humanoid villain.

I don't think Crill/Vecna is redeemable, hence why he makes a great personification of the Mind Flayer.

I agree, Eddie's death felt off to me. They were trying to fulfil this story arc about not running in the face of danger but realistically, he didn't slow down the bats for long. Even the way the bats circled around him seemed stupid, they could have killed him instantly with the amount of them there was and then went straight back to the house with Vecna

The whole reason Jason had basically no one with him when he found them is because he started to go crazy because of his paranoia and fear.

@@harrisontownsend910 Maybe, but it wasn't communicated and told that way. Also, je just kinda... Died. Didn't even get what was really happening.

I thought that Eddie was the real fourth death not Max...

At first vecna had to abdorb his victims to actually kill for the gate. Eddie was killed by Bats, not absorbed, which lets me really hope that he comes back like that betraying Vampire fighter against Vecna( the only not having no brain option in dungeons and dragons to defeat Vecna) with an e-Guitar which have some awesome super wave power...that would be great...Eddie why did you die??

Jason had the the most painful death, cut in half

@@zacharyhall365 I was satisfied to see Jason get cut in half, especially after the way he beat Lucas and got in the way of Max. But When Eddie launched into playing Master of Puppets I died Laughing. That was so great.

he better have a bigger role next season, they have done him so damn dirty for 2 seasons

he’s probably resting peacefully in Valhalla

I was crying when Eddie died

why are you using the skeleton emoji

I knew it was coming and I still am so big mad about it. Like 😭

@@boobiegaming cuz thats how he looks now

where are you pulling this from bro, at least say pseudo phyics, because what your saying is not mathematically rigorous

Right on the money. This 4 portals thing is the standard sci-fi trope.

@@KungFuKeni lol

Yep! I rewatched all of it and I’m like they’ve really been telling us this whole time lol

Actor who plays Will: " What?! My Character is Gay? WTF Why didn't anyone tell me?!! "

I'm saying yes, but maybe not the best job showing how. The arena fight and torching of the demogorgons was juxtaposed with Nancy and Robin shooting and burning Vecna. There was a moment after a Demogorgon was hurt when Vecna looked like he was feeling pain, but it's hard to tell because he was on fire and taking buckshot, too. I guess the argument would be a less distracted Vecna may have been able to overpower his direct assailants. Sort of a cost for having the hive mind.

I thought it helped nance, steve and robin bc right after they burnt them in russia, the tentacles dropped them

@@limkahyee4026yes that too.

when hopper and group burned the demodogs, it hurt the vines too which freed Steve Nancy and Robin cuz everything has a hive mind

I never thought about the dice roll, that's actually really interesting! Though the only problem is that Henry Creel was always evil, he was born that way and will die that way. But your point may still stand, there still needs to be one more person to make an impact and help take him down: Max? Will? Who knows

He was always evil. He was torturing animals and killed his whole family before becoming 001. Lol

I think that 11 and 8 will kill vecna. This makes sense. You have expanded my theory

He might come back like Hopper. You don't really die in the upside down. It's like an alternate reality thing.

@@jonfreeman9682 don’t DIE in the upside down😂😂😂? Bro you smoking crack. Barbra died in the upside down, Will was clinically dead in until they barely saved him from the upside down, hundreds of scientists that were dragged into the upside down and killed, the demogorgans themselves have been killed in the upside down😂😂 when your gone your gone. And why you bringing up hopper? He was saved from Russia not the upside down, he never died😂🤦‍♂️

How are y’all so attached to Eddie?? He was only there a season!! Let’s talk about our dead max!

Game of Thrones. The coffee cup. But here we are in the 2020's and I have that exact same shirt Steve was wearing in the last 10 minutes of episode 9. Same Blue material, same exact buttons. Bought it 2 years ago. I also have the same exact Black Wrangler pants Mike was wearing. Got them in 1987 and still have them.

@Karate Chicken I wish though Vecna would be purely sadistic and evil and not be complex. Given what he does is pretty evil but he thinks he's rational and justified. I don't like that they tried to make the audience sympathize and empathize with him a little bit because of all he did. And plus the main characters will have to kill him off. So I don't see the point in him being complex and sympathetic if he will eventually go down and needs to be killed?

It's because kids are easy pickings. And maybe tastier like veal?

Or she's half dead. Technically she died but El brought her back but her soul is still lost somewhere.

What about that molly or holly girl in the pool? Am I buggin or was she left out? I could have missed it.

@@LisaLeeLeeBlue ?

@@itzsinsss5751 did the narrator include the molly or holly girl that vecna k*lled in the pool in the 4? Or is that an extra one?

​@@LisaLeeLeeBlue The only girl that died in a pool was in season 1, before he even started this plan of creating his own portals, or even had the power to...

It was silly because Hawaiian pizzas have been around for decades (since 1962), so they'd been a thing for a long time by 1986, but they didn't become a meme to pretend to (or actually 🤦) fight about until relatively recently (~2010s). So the show forcing this meme-ish scene was silly and breaks immersion when they usually go out of their way to try to stay true to the timeline (except when they screw up like Suzie talking about IP addresses two years before IANA was founded).

@@I.____.....__...__ eh no, we had this pineapple on pizza fights in the 80s already

They had that in the 80s but it's not that new. Been around awhile but maybe it was new in America.

now i wish eleven dies in season 5

@@I.____.....__...__ things sometime become memes because they're well known and have been going on for long periods of time. We definitely had memes in the 80s before the internet, and even if they weren't memes, they were rooted in existing shared cultural patterns.

I think Vecna's mind fills in the landscape when he stalks someone in the normal world, like a game map adding in buildings and roads when you enter that section. Remember, although Will was taken from his house... he was at the Wheeler house playing D&D and as he left that house, the porch lights started glitching.... Vecna projected himself _there_ , he is the shadowy figure that appeared on the road, just like he was the shadowy figure in johnathan's photo of Barb at the Harrington house. The upside down copy of Eddies' trailer is only a few days old... it's from when Chrissy was killed, not the night Will was taken.

We gotta wait 3 more years and we will know but it's worth it

@@louisepreacely6161 we waited years for a season that retconned a lot about the story mythos. There’s no point holding out for the next season, whatever magic the Duffer Bros had before, is gone.

@@fraserduffy4576 thats a lie this season was the most anticipated and highly favored

@@louisepreacely6161 it’s not a lie, they changed a bunch of stuff to accommodate Vecna into the story

I'm still confused why the upside-down even has stuff like houses, clothes, toys, etc. when it has no people, it makes no sense. 🤨 It's even less sensible than Superman's Bizarro universe having a cube for a sun because they think the opposite of a circle is a square. 🤦

Ohhhh. Interesting....

I think the whole no pictures thing has to do with people getting evaporated if they were too close to the rift + it’s the 1980s so most people just didn’t carry cameras around like we can today

@@liatheprincess1186 You got it right. It was hard to even make a decent video back then. VHS or Beta was your choice. But still, there is a giant rift in the ground. Now there are giant valleys. I guess that's why everyone is leaving town ASAP

Hahahaha thank god you're not in charge of the script. Wtf is this Avengers endgame ?

@@Doomsday604 lol true. Just saying they're already brought back max from the dead,somewhat like avengers. Vecna had his own weird ass view on life,kinda like Thanos,right? So yeah, it reminds me of endgame. Lol but the ending,will be a bit darker.

It wasn't pointless though, did you see how f*ckin' many got in? And they were coming straight for the gate, they would've flown right through, ripped both him and Dustin to shreds, and then feasted on as many poor saps as they could find in Hawkins. Eddie's death saved Dustin and probably a lot of other innocent people

I just realized something with your post. Vecna took something from Eleven than put him at an advantage. Strikingly similar to Voldemort using Harry’s blood to revive himself so that he could gain an upper hand by overcoming the spell of his mother.

@@Khan-ts2ji yes! I think this theory is worth thinking about it really makes sense

Painful 😣😒😒😒

Yes season 4 really raised the quality with great story and character. I gave up in season 3 thought it was repetitive serving refried beans.

They're too obsessed with King to go Lovecraft. Maybe someone else can do some Lovecraft and/or Barker stuff.

The Mind Flayer kind of serves that role...I don't think we are done with him yet.

I want that too something completely unimaginable and cosmic thats bigger than all of them. Something you can't even understand, vecna being the final boss is boring

@@opuimor i agree. Maybe is not a boring solution, but very simple.

. Nah I hope they don't. I like more that he isn't overtly gay. This show is how every show should treat gay characters.

I hope they don't

I think it’s fine if people see it that way but even the actors of stranger things don’t see it that way so I doubt the directors will go down the route. Noah himself clarified that it’s fine if people see it that way, but that’s not his intention or the writers. It’s about Will who grew up too fast and feels like his friends had slipped away from him. He misses Mike who used to be so close with him and now only pays attention to eleven

I think will isn’t gay, I just think he’s very broken

@@Chris-rg6nm funny cuz a lot of people on the show are “overtly straight”. So now this “overtly” bothers you cuz it’s a gay thing?

King is overexposed. I wish Barker's works would get some more attention. They didn't even make volume two of _The Great and Secret Show_ graphic novel. 😕

@@I.____.....__...__ oh I absolutely one hundred percent agree with you about Barker, his books are excellent. I didn't even know there was a graphic novel of TGASS but I liked the book, actually it was the first one of his books I ever read bit that sucks it only got one volume. Unfortunately only Hellraiser was adapted and the only other movie of his I recall is Lord of Illusions.

Why would he tell mike he has a crush on him? Mike isnt gay and is with el. What would be the point?

I mean if any of the project's children are alive, then a portal could open again. In order to end the show, the UD has to be finally closed off for good.

It helped a lot with hype and marketing. Prevented people from just binge-watching the entire show in one night and never talking about it again. They're going to 100% do it again.

I didn’t bother me honestly but I could see how others might feel that way

What's the big deal with the extended part 2. They couldn't pack everything into an hour episode so that's great we got 4 hours of entertainment in the last two episodes to tell a complete story with great character moments.

It honestly helps with spoilers and they got to release it earlier I don't why people are so mad over it

I think it was due to Covid messing up things early on. Instead of holding off the entire season, they got the first ones out for VOL 1 while they finished up and gave us the last 2