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Clarifying some common misconception about what it takes to become a sotapanna and how can a lay person do it.
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@HillsideHermitage
@HillsideHermitage 11 месяцев назад
• Then the Blessed One gave the householder Upāli progressive instruction, that is, talk on giving, talk on virtue, talk on the heavens; he explained the *danger, degradation, and defilement in sensual pleasures and the blessing of renunciation. When he knew that the householder Upāli’s mind was ready, receptive, free from hindrances, elated, and confident,* he expounded to him the teaching special to the Buddhas: suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the path. Just as a clean cloth with all marks removed would take dye evenly, so too, while the householder Upāli sat there, the spotless immaculate vision of the Dhamma arose in him: “All that is subject to arising is subject to cessation.” Then the householder Upāli saw the Dhamma, attained the Dhamma, understood the Dhamma, fathomed the Dhamma; he crossed beyond doubt, did away with perplexity, gained intrepidity, and became independent of others in the Teacher’s Dispensation. Then he said to the Blessed One: “Now, venerable sir, we must go. We are busy and have much to do.” “You may go, householder, at your own convenience.” Then the householder Upāli, having delighted and rejoiced in the Blessed One’s words, rose from his seat, and after paying homage to the Blessed One, keeping him on his right, he left to return to his own house." ―MN 56 • These three similes occurred to me spontaneously, never heard before. Suppose there were a wet sappy piece of wood lying in water, and a man came with an upper fire-stick, thinking: ‘I shall light a fire, I shall produce heat.’ What do you think, Aggivessana? Could the man light a fire and produce heat by taking the upper fire-stick and rubbing it against the wet sappy piece of wood lying in the water?” “No, Master Gotama. Why not? Because it is a wet sappy piece of wood, and it is lying in water. Eventually the man would reap only weariness and disappointment.” “So too, Aggivessana, as to those contemplatives and brahmins who still do not live bodily withdrawn from sensual pleasures, and whose sensual desire, affection, infatuation, thirst, and fever for sensual pleasures has not been fully abandoned and subdued internally, even if those good recluses and brahmins feel painful, racking, piercing feelings due to exertion, *they are incapable of knowledge and vision and supreme enlightenment*; and even if those good recluses and brahmins do not feel painful, racking, piercing feelings due to exertion, *they are incapable of knowledge and vision and supreme enlightenment.* This was the first simile that occurred to me spontaneously, never heard before. ―MN 36 •“What, bhikkhus, are the five shackles in the heart that he has not severed? Here *a bhikkhu is not free from lust, desire, affection, thirst, fever, and craving for sensual pleasures,* and thus his mind does not incline to ardour, devotion, perseverance, and striving. As his mind does not incline to ardour, devotion, perseverance, and striving, that is the first shackle in the heart that he has not severed. “Again, a bhikkhu is not free from lust, desire, affection, thirst, fever, and *craving for the body* ...As his mind does not incline to ardour…that is the second shackle in the heart that he has not severed. “Again, a bhikkhu is not free from lust, desire, affection, thirst, fever, and *craving for form*…As his mind does not incline to ardour…that is the third shackle in the heart that he has not severed. [...] “Bhikkhus, that any bhikkhu who has not abandoned these five wildernesses in the heart and severed these five shackles in the heart should come to growth, increase, and fulfilment in this Dhamma and Discipline-*that is impossible.* ―MN 16 •“Bhikkhus, without having abandoned these five obstructions, hindrances, encumbrances of the mind, states that weaken wisdom, [=*sensual desire*, aversion, ...] it is impossible that a bhikkhu, with his powerless and feeble wisdom, might know his own good, the good of others, or the good of both, or realize a superhuman distinction in knowledge and vision worthy of the noble ones. ―AN 5.51 •“Bhikkhus, (1) for one deficient in virtuous behavior, (2) right composure (samādhi) lacks its proximate cause. When there is no right composure, for one deficient in right composure, (3) the knowledge and vision of things as they really are lacks its proximate cause. ... (4) disenchantment and dispassion lack their proximate cause. ...(5) the knowledge and vision of liberation lacks its proximate cause. “Suppose there is a tree deficient in branches and foliage. Then its shoots do not grow to fullness; also its bark, softwood, and heartwood do not grow to fullness. So too, for one deficient in virtuous behavior, right composure lacks its proximate cause. When there is no right composure … the knowledge and vision of liberation lacks its proximate cause. ―AN 5.24 •And what is the nutriment for ignorance? It should be said: the five hindrances. The five hindrances, too, I say, have a nutriment; they are not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for the five hindrances? It should be said: *the three kinds of misconduct.* The three kinds of misconduct, too, I say, have a nutriment; they are not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for the three kinds of misconduct? It should be said: *non-restraint of the sense faculties.* ―AN 10.61 •“And how, bhikkhus, is there nonrestraint? There are, bhikkhus, forms _[sounds, etc.]_ cognizable by the eye that are desirable, lovely, agreeable, pleasing, sensually enticing, tantalizing. If a bhikkhu seeks delight in them, welcomes them, and remains holding to them, he should understand this thus: *‘I am declining away from wholesome states. For this has been called decline by the Blessed One.’* [...] -SN 35.98
@HillsideHermitage
@HillsideHermitage 11 месяцев назад
•(1)“Without having abandoned these three things, one is incapable of abandoning birth, old age, and death. What three? Lust, hatred, and delusion. Without having abandoned these three things, one is incapable of abandoning birth, old age, and death. (2)Without having abandoned [...] What three? Personality-view, doubt, and wrong grasp of behavior and observances... (3)[...]__ayoniso manasikāra_, following a wrong path, and mental sluggishness... (4)[...] muddle-mindedness, lack of clear comprehension, and mental distraction... (5)[...] lack of desire to see the noble ones, lack of desire to hear the noble Dhamma, and a mind bent on criticism [of the noble Dhamma... (6)[...] restlessness, *non-restraint, and improper behavior* (dussīla)... (7)[...] lack of faith, uncharitableness, and lack of effort... (8) [...] disrespect, being difficult to correct, and bad friendship... 9)[...] lack of shame of wrongdoing, lack of fear of wrong doing and heedlessness.* Without having abandoned these three things, one is incapable of abandoning disrespect, being difficult to correct, and bad friendship. -AN 10.76 •Bhikkhus, there are these five trainee’s [=sekha, noble ones not yet Arahants] powers. What five? The power of faith, *the power of shame of misconduct, the power of fear of misconduct,* the power of energy, and the power of wisdom. ―AN 5.2 •Now on that occasion Sarakāni the Sakyan had died, and the Blessed One had declared him to be a stream-enterer, no longer bound to the nether world, fixed in destiny, with enlightenment as his destination. Thereupon a number of Sakyans, having met and assembled, deplored this, grumbled, and complained about it, saying: “It is wonderful indeed, sir! It is amazing indeed, sir! Now who here won’t be a stream-enterer when the Blessed One has declared Sarakāni the Sakyan after he died to be a stream-enterer … with enlightenment as his destination? Sarakāni the Sakyan was too weak for the training; he drank intoxicating drink!” [...] “Even if these great sal trees, Mahānāma, could understand what is well spoken and what is badly spoken, then I would declare these great sal trees to be stream-enterers, no longer bound to the nether world, fixed in destiny, with enlightenment as their destination. How much more, then, Sarakāni the Sakyan? Mahānāma, Sarakāni the Sakyan *undertook the training at the time of his death.*” -SN 25.24 •“What kind of person commits a trifling bad action that leads him to hell? Here, some person is undeveloped in body, virtuous behavior, mind, and wisdom; he is limited and lowly, and he dwells in suffering. When such a person creates trifling bad action, it leads him to hell. “What kind of person commits exactly the same trifling bad action and yet its result is to be experienced in this very life, without even a slight [residue] being seen, much less abundant [residue]? *Here, some person is developed in body, virtuous behavior, mind, and wisdom. He is unlimited and has a lofty character, and he dwells without measure.* When such a person commits exactly the same trifling bad action, its result is to be experienced in this very life, without even a slight [residue] being seen, much less abundant [residue]. “Suppose a man would drop a lump of salt into a small bowl of water. What do you think, bhikkhus? Would that lump of salt make the small quantity of water in the bowl salty and undrinkable?” “Yes, Bhante. For what reason? Because the water in the bowl is limited, thus that lump of salt would make it salty and undrinkable.” “But suppose a man would drop a lump of salt into the river Ganges. What do you think, bhikkhus? Would that lump of salt make the river Ganges become salty and undrinkable?” “No, Bhante. For what reason? Because the river Ganges contains a large volume of water, thus that lump of salt would not make it salty and undrinkable.” “So too, bhikkhus, some person here has commited a trifling bad action yet it leads him to hell, while some other person here has created exactly the same trifling bad action yet it is to be experienced in this very life, without even a slight [residue] being seen, much less abundant [residue]. ―AN 3.100
@HillsideHermitage
@HillsideHermitage 11 месяцев назад
For a new essay by Bhikkhu Anigha also see: www.hillsidehermitage.org/what-the-jhanas-actually-are/
@njbk3129
@njbk3129 11 месяцев назад
Thank you very much for sourcing the appropriate suttas, the suttas are paramount. AN 10.61 and SN 35.98 lay it out perfectly. "If you don't discipline yourself, then the world will discipline you."
@Anagarika_Medhini
@Anagarika_Medhini 11 месяцев назад
That simile of the sticks is one of my favourites. There's even another layer to it, which ties in very well with what is said here: if the sticks are thoroughly dry and well seasoned internally, they can get soaked by rain but will dry out easily within a matter of days if put into dry conditions. (Just like the mind of the stream enterer which remains internally 'dried out' from sensuality even if they engage in it externally to a degree.) Yet if the log is still fresh, sappy and green internally, you can't make fire with it even if it is dry on the outside - and it takes a solid year or even two to thoroughly dry out, after it is cut. (Like the puttujhana's mind which is still internally full of the 'sap' of sense-desire even when not engaging with sensuality externally.)
@BhikkhuAnigha
@BhikkhuAnigha 11 месяцев назад
And "soiling the cloth" will never un-dye it.
@DumindaW
@DumindaW 10 месяцев назад
Thank you, this is very encouraging.
@j.m.kocsis2557
@j.m.kocsis2557 11 месяцев назад
Not valuing sensuality is something that happens in increments and it grows and deepens with continued self reflection, honesty, and contemplation. I think the Sotapanna has reached the point where they just know that sensuality is a losing game, and they know why this is the case, but they must still close the gap between that relatively new understanding and their every intention. The only way to close that gap and to have right view at the absolute forefront of the mind is to exercise sense restraint.
@Hermit_mouse
@Hermit_mouse 10 месяцев назад
These points are SO clarifying! I’ve never heard these things talked about. Thank you so much. Metta!
@cliffmilbrun2803
@cliffmilbrun2803 11 месяцев назад
Some years ago when i was upset because a customer owed me money and the anger i felt was so strong that i let go of the fact that i was owed money and i was focused on the anger as the problem. Reflected on the state of anger its self as harmful to me in general and i turned to the buddhas teaching. Around that time on one unforgettable night i sat crossed legged in my living room and was mindful of breathing. After sometime this blue light collected in front my face with my eyes closed. Soon after it collected my vision zoomed into it 3x like a telescope and out of that space burst out an 8 spoked wheel that started spinning literally. In some suttas it says the immaculate dhamma eye arose in some. That is the most literal accurate description of what of what i experienced but i didnt fully understand craving or unwholesome states. Yet before then i felt like i knew somthing vaugly about self identy was bad and i spent nights trying to remember something i felt i forgot and then the eightfold reminded me. I think i knew this before somehow
@kzantal
@kzantal 11 месяцев назад
I hope we'll get more of your teachings. It's nice to hear other hillside hermitage monks.
@SpritualJourney55336
@SpritualJourney55336 11 месяцев назад
Very helpful talk. If one struggles with finding a method to restrain ones automatic bad mental thought habits do this = imagine the bad thought to be an evil person that is looking for signs of fear in you and he wants to attack you if you show signs of fear and what would you do? ofcourse you would not show any signs of fear and arise manly vigour and faith inside yourself and the same way you do to your bad thought,mind and pressure. So arise manly vigour and faith and press against the thought,mind and pressure and stop thinking and the bad thought and pressure will cease and for the first time in your life you have faith in yourself because now you know how to control your thought, mind and pressure and it will never be able to overwhelm you anymore in a vicious circle as it did when you didnt have faith in yourself and didnt know the "how and what to do" to control your mind and stayed indecisive and kept sinking in the mud of your automatic bad mental thought habits. Ones bad thought habits will become weaker and weaker untill they ceases all together. Now one have by default a peaceful and happy state and also one have faith in oneself and it is easy and natural to say no to ones desire. I understood the Venerable Anigha to say that even when we clean up the bad thought mental habits and have peace and happiness by default while that is everything a Laymen wants for sure but from a Monks perspective that is still not Nibbana from the Buddhas teaching which requires to also deal with the delighting in the possiblity of sensuality.
@zorananda
@zorananda 11 месяцев назад
That seems to be the crucial test which determines if one has abandoned inwardly the valuing of sensuality or still has to make efforts to ,,dry his sticks" by restraining his senses externally.
@SpritualJourney55336
@SpritualJourney55336 10 месяцев назад
@@zorananda Very well said. Also restraining the "senses externaly" from a scientific way of thinking can sound like only restraining the 5 physical senses because that is what we usually think is the "external world" but actually in the Dhamma once thought,mind and pressure is also included in the external world so that also implies that we must also restrain the bad thought,mind and pressure.
@stefanvidenovic5095
@stefanvidenovic5095 11 месяцев назад
When you're struggling for quite some time to understand the Dhamma (on the level of the Right View), while still not being fully free from the sensual, I reckon you, kind of, have to wait a few years (maybe 2 or 3) for the whole addiction to wear off (weaken) sufficiently enough (the coarse stuff first) for you to be able to see all the subtler ways in which you keep yourself addicted (and thus sabotage or slow down the breaking out of the addiction). While in that state, it really helps to hear the same thing (from someone who knows it, of course) but using slightly different wording or analogies. The progress is really slow and in small steps, so this can give a tiny insight that can be quite noticeable. This very slight improvement in understanding is important as it can motivate a person, rather than just feeling like nothing is really happening. Let Bhante Anīgha keep up his writings (and talks) in the future as well.
@SBCBears
@SBCBears 11 месяцев назад
"This very slight improvement in understanding is important as it can motivate a person, rather than just feeling like nothing is really happening." I really like your statement and summary. I think it describes the experience of most practitioners before and after stream entry.
@dassavilokantara439
@dassavilokantara439 10 месяцев назад
Your thoughts here are well rounded. 😎 🙏
@Liravin
@Liravin 10 месяцев назад
14:15 interesting conclusion. i have always took this as a sign that the Buddha's presence and way of teaching had a profound impact on people which you simply can't get by just looking up dhamma on the internet. the Buddha frequently displayed talent as a teacher and i wouldn't be surprised if he was also great at paying close attention to the effect his words have on people's minds. also i am pretty certain that some people believe that he had supernatural powers when it comes to establishing a deeper mental connection with a person in front of him. although i also definitely see your point that nowadays the average person's mind may be more defiled in some cases. there's a large spectrum for these, but sensuality and linear, meaningful intellectual thinking are often not very balanced in people nowadays, not established through education nowadays.
@sila7460
@sila7460 11 месяцев назад
I wonder if there are Buddhist Monasteries in this world that teach the path as presented? In a few months I will free myself from legal obligations with the matter I have accumulated, then I follow in the footsteps of the Buddha.
@kzantal
@kzantal 11 месяцев назад
I really don't think so!! I would go to hillside hermitage, if allowed, if I were you! Or at least have that goal (I think they impose a certain number of years of ordination).
@z00mnyanavira64
@z00mnyanavira64 10 месяцев назад
I am thinking of monasteries established by Ajahn Chan, Ajahn Sumedho, Ajahn Sona, Ajahn Brahmavamso...to name just a few...really wanna practice ? Or is it just an ego ? I heard a story of a young rich dude, who offered all his money to a buddhist monastery and became a monk...for shizzle!
@zorananda
@zorananda 11 месяцев назад
For me everything is layed down marvelously in the essay ,, what the JHĀNAS really are" . It's really a phenomenal and brief summary of what the training is and how to conduct it. As you say, the mind of the puthujjana inevitably leans towards pleasures and leans away from displeasures. The cause of a mind leaning towards pleasures and away from displeasures is the grasping at and identifying with the arisen feeling.(as well as with the other aggregates) And then the arisen pleasant or unpleasant feeling becomes the subsequent cause of the concurrent desire. The difference to someone with right view , who has abandoned the assumption that his aggregates are his personality or that his personality is in the aggregates, is that the one with right view is not able anymore to react to the arisen feeling i.e. to lean towards a pleasant feeling and to lean away from a unpleasant feeling. Simply because he has discerned that by grasping at and identifying with the arisen feeling one will automatically develop desire in regards to the arisen feeling. He discerns feelings as they arise and does not touch them as if they were burning coals. He can't regard the arisen feeling as ,,mine" anymore , not because he chooses not to do so, but because a ,,self"- protective mechanism kicks in not allowing him to do so, which is the consequences of him having understood that the moment he grasps at and identifies with a arisen feeling he will get injured. It's similar to someone who won't pick up a piece of burning coal not because he chooses not to do so but it is simply impossible to deliberately do such a stupid act of self inflicted injury. This is the consequence of the understanding that the aggregates are empty of self, me and mine. And this is the meaning of inwardly having abandoned the valuing of sensuality due to the right view, as opposed to someone who does not have the right view, therefore still values sensuality inwardly and so can only make efforts to practice sense restraint externally. Someone with right view can never again indulge in sensuality the same way as he used to do as a puthujjana. Though his knowledge can be obscured at times when pain or prospect of pleasure seem overwhelming he is unable to go back to the path of forgetfulness.
@BhikkhuAnigha
@BhikkhuAnigha 11 месяцев назад
You could even say it's more of a lingering habit of weakness, rather than truly "delighting" if we define that as what the puthujjana does. "Delighting" requires that full acceptance of "this is worthy and beneficial", which can no longer be there, even if the external action is the same.
@zorananda
@zorananda 11 месяцев назад
@@BhikkhuAnighayeah, it seems to be a weakness fueled by countless lifetimes of habitual tendencies. As the Buddha says, the unthought worldling habitually resists the painful feeling and sees no other escape from it then to crave for sensual pleasure.
@donfades7869
@donfades7869 10 месяцев назад
@zorananda Where can I find this essay?
@johnylimapersonaltrainer1419
@johnylimapersonaltrainer1419 10 месяцев назад
Thank you, Bhante! 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿 Is it possible to receive direct intructions from the Monks in the Hermitage?
@sachinsharma9814
@sachinsharma9814 11 месяцев назад
First time seeing you Face to face venerable. Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu ....
@cariyaputta
@cariyaputta 11 месяцев назад
The Gradual Teaching: Generosity, Virtue, Heaven, Drawbacks, Renunciation, and finally the Four Noble Truths.
@vijjanandadhamma
@vijjanandadhamma 6 месяцев назад
How 3rd noble truth arise? Yonisomanasikara is to Direct the mind to the place to introspect Follow by Sampanjanna is on that place there one must continue focusing it.
@vijjanandadhamma
@vijjanandadhamma 6 месяцев назад
Sotapanna now sees the aggregates are not self through it is known by sotapanna ,still there are subject to repeating torment of samsara cycle conventional truth of anicha,dukkha,anatha.They the Sotapanna, sakadagami anagami are still opress by these phenomenor force of nature until their existence ends upon dissolution of this nama rupa when their attainment is Arahat As long as any of the 4 saint still carries these nama rupa,,they will be subject to these nature uncomfortable force of anicha,dukkha,anatha. Suki hotu. Buddhang saranam gacchami
@chadkline4268
@chadkline4268 10 месяцев назад
God bless you for your efforts to educate 😊 honestly, it is appreciated and critical. Some don't live near anything Buddhist.
@StanleyFamilyFun
@StanleyFamilyFun 11 месяцев назад
I believe I was listening to a fellow American am I correct? And great job Venerable
@designportal674
@designportal674 27 дней назад
Thank you, I really needed to hear this message.
@stefanvidenovic5095
@stefanvidenovic5095 11 месяцев назад
So here's a theory that might explain things further. In the last 200 years or so, life expectancy has nearly doubled because our hygiene and health services have drastically improved. There was a time, not so long ago, when the medical community laughed at a doctor who suggested that it might be a good idea to wash your hands before you operate on someone (so yeah, it was rough back then). Technology also took off since the Industrial Revolution, and our lives became much more enriched (sensually). We toned down the obvious large-scale super-violent wars and formed larger communities (and became more prone to taking lazy safety in the masses). Cities became much more organized and civilized, and many things are taken care of automatically (you're not likely to see a random corpse decomposing in the streets for days or someone throwing a bucketful of excrement and urine on your head, through the window). All in all, living conditions have become much more pleasant and easy, and we embraced them carelessly and cluelessly. Today, there's hardly a minute where an average person is not entertained by something sensual. In fact, an average person (not even rich) has better conditions than an average king back then. While back in the day of the Buddha, none of this was in place. Not having all these things available, they were not spoiled by them and addicted to them. Furthermore, if they were not addicted to heavy sensuality (and various comforts), but only engaged with it rarely when circumstances allowed, they were, on average, genuinely much less interested in it as well (it was much more out of their everyday reach, and they didn't have as much time for it). Also, the variety of sensuality was much lesser, and those fewer options were much less dazzling. A person of today would probably be bored sick with their entertainments. And all this, likely, had been the status quo for many thousands of years prior (for many rebirths before Buddhas' arrival). Also today, whole teams of experts are specifically designing and constantly improving their products to maximize our pleasure circuits activations (in the brain) to literally hook us on whatever they're selling. So things are way more interesting than they would be naturally. So, back then, when they came to talk to the Buddha, they could easily, for a couple of minutes at least, genuinely drop all interest in all things sensual (i.e., temporarily abandon sensuality), which freed their minds long enough for the Dhamma to click (Stream-Entry). Today we cannot do the same because we are literally heavy addicts (not speaking metaphorically). All the anxiety and depressions of today are the result of this great general addiction. Based on all the research that has been done on addiction, we know that addictions are very easy and fast forming. Things that are addictive (general sensuality included), that are highly rewarding in the dopamine sense, only a couple of engagements can be enough to hook you. And we have had at least two whole human lives (in these modern nice conditions) to do it and to do it real good. Finally, that's why it is necessary to almost aim for full Anāgāmi right at the start, i.e., we need to OVERSHOOT TO COMPENSATE for the gap (between us today and them back then). We need to completely abstain for a few years to weaken the addiction to sensuality just enough to gain the ability to, for a moment, genuinely drop all interest in it, to be able to see the Dhamma (get the Right View). And this is actually great news! It means that if you get really serious and do ti right (practice consistently), that Great Stream-Entry is actually achievable within a couple of years of training (Ajahn Chah estimates within first 5 years).
@Zen_Techniques
@Zen_Techniques 2 месяца назад
🙏🙏🙏 Great teaching.
@thehermit196
@thehermit196 10 месяцев назад
I guess I will put myself out there and speak from my first hand experience as I am not a monk I can say these things .I am not seeking validation. I had been practicing meditation since I was 14 and got serious after I turned 30 I would read the suttas understanding most of them I had been holding the 8 precepts for 3 months.prior and the 5 precepts years before then I did not have any realizations until I had one single moment of pure renunciation After that my mind/consciousness was changed forever I no longer had any doubt in the teachings And could understand the ones that were confusing me previously As a consequence I can no longer fully enjoy sensual pleasures Something in my head is constantly telling me that even if I play cards with friends or seeing a movie that none of that is leading me to nibanna and infact leading me away . It almost feels shameful to do those things now. What I guess what I'm trying to say is that it does take quite some effort perhaps years but now I feel like I have done something meaningful with this life. Thank you for the video
@vijjanandadhamma
@vijjanandadhamma 6 месяцев назад
As long as the fuels of the 5 aggregates continue to be attached ignorancely by us...birth,sickness ageing,death will be endless. Buddhang saranam gacchami
@vijjanandadhamma
@vijjanandadhamma 6 месяцев назад
Yonisomanasika is to bring the mind and place it there. Sampanjanna keep focus on it with upeka. This way is known as clear comprehension is the correct way to practiced Satipatthana
@DumindaW
@DumindaW 10 месяцев назад
Thank you very much Bhante, this video is already changing my life combined with your latest short essay 🙏🙏
@vijjanandadhamma
@vijjanandadhamma 6 месяцев назад
It is in this way of clear comprehension that finally make the mind becomes really obedient. Obedient mind is upeka mind.The mind that now can focus easily.
@Hermit_mouse
@Hermit_mouse 11 месяцев назад
Why do you think the Buddha asked that monks not speak about their personal experiences with Stream Entry to the lay folks?
@ThaniyoBhikkhu
@ThaniyoBhikkhu 10 месяцев назад
The reason for that specific rule (suttacentral.net/pli-tv-bu-vb-pc8) is because there are those who would proclaim their attainments so as to get requisites from householders. Now, that might not seem so bad, especially if those attainments are factual and those individuals are just trying to get support so as to survive and teach Dhamma or make further progress, in times when support is very difficult to obtain. However, there are those who are not attained, and will either through overestimation, delusion or with evil intentions also proclaim attainments, leading others un/knowingly astray and resulting in loss of faith from supportive householders which could impact the future of those who are or who want to practice rightly. Anybody can claim attainments and it could be done either because it's true and seen as genuinely beneficial, or it might be an overestimation, or maybe because the person is just plain crazy, maybe they are simply lonely and seeking some external validation from those they respect, they might even be trying to fool themselves so as to feel better about the bad decisions they have made, or they might just enjoy deceiving others. In any case, that rule is meant to protect the faith of householders that support the Sangha and those present and future generations who want to practice the Dhamma. If you want to know whether someone has a specific attainment or not, try get to know them as best you can. That can be done by listening to what they say, questioning them on various topics, and seeing how they behave in various circumstances over a period of time. If someone is consistently declaring how special they are or implicitly implying so with whatever they say, I'd be cautious in accepting their advice as it suggests conceit and/or desperation, qualities that aren't noble attainments. See also suttacentral.net/an4.192 "Monks, these four traits may be known by means of four other traits. Which four? “It’s through living together that a person’s virtue may be known, and then only after a long period, not a short period; by one who is attentive, not by one who is inattentive; by one who is discerning, not by one who is not discerning. “It’s through dealing with a person that his purity may be known, and then only after a long period, not a short period; by one who is attentive, not by one who is inattentive; by one who is discerning, not by one who is not discerning. “It’s through adversity that a person’s endurance may be known, and then only after a long period, not a short period; by one who is attentive, not by one who is inattentive; by one who is discerning, not by one who is not discerning. “It’s through discussion that a person’s discernment may be known, and then only after a long period, not a short period; by one who is attentive, not by one who is inattentive; by one who is discerning, not by one who is not discerning... "
@Hermit_mouse
@Hermit_mouse 10 месяцев назад
@@ThaniyoBhikkhu Sadhu. Sadhu. Sadhu.
@skiplee5490
@skiplee5490 28 дней назад
I thought a stream enterer could not stray from the path. I thought a stream enterer was incapable of breaking a precept.
@hariharry391
@hariharry391 7 месяцев назад
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@marcusfossa6695
@marcusfossa6695 4 месяца назад
The way for laypeople to attain stream entry is to just continually note their emotions in daily life. Use daily life as your meditation object. When you are angry, note, "This is anger." When you are thinking, note, "This is thinking." When you are dull and distracted, note, "This is dullness and distraction." And just keep doing this every day while keeping the 5 precepts.
@jaroslav6109
@jaroslav6109 11 месяцев назад
One thing I really don't understand is that if attaining sotapana is such a life changing thing, how would anyone after that go back to a lifetime of drinking . If one is drunk, then by definition, it isn't in control, so it can do all kinds of wrongdoing. Also, how do we know that people back in Buddhas' time were so much more developed than people are now? As far as I know, India was back then quite a brutal world with wars and killing on a daily basis, and human life was not very precious . How does one get spiritually developed in such an environment . I think this context matters. Am I wrong?
@stefanvidenovic5095
@stefanvidenovic5095 11 месяцев назад
Sir, you raise good questions but the answers are much too long to fit into a comment. Keep digging, researching and trying to understand and you'll answer them yourself. I would advise listening to the whole HH channel if you have the time, they really did cover a lot of this. Rule of thumb: You can not understand it before you understand it. You have to get the Right View first (or at least get close to it), to be able to understand (or at least get some idea) how a Sotāpanna can remain a householder. Same for all your other questions. Hope this helps.
@kzantal
@kzantal 11 месяцев назад
Yes, I also struggle with the idea that hindrances are destroyed / fully abandoned for sotapatti as this sounds identical with being an anagami.
@dicsoncandra1948
@dicsoncandra1948 11 месяцев назад
Because the pain of renunciation (refraining from scratching the itch of craving) is to be replaced only by the joy of renunciation, which requires much patience and worldly sacrifices (familial, relationships being the most common reason) and to choose self-intoxication (i.e. sensuality) like Sarakāni did in the Sutta (the alcohol was only a mean) was his effort to distract himself (with futility since with stream-entry the awareness with regard to his own intentions will remain) from feeling the full weight of responsibility for continually choosing to pin himself upon the contradiction which is his suffering (knowing that it is impossible to heal by scratching yet unwilling to refrain from it, whilst at the same time his very attempt to scratch is rooted in the wish to be free from the itch) With the decline of spirituality (or even coarse religiosity), human beings have become more and more devoted to sensuality and this is the chief hindrance.
@zdrs_in_dvom
@zdrs_in_dvom 11 месяцев назад
At least the way I understood it, the gist of what Bhante was saying was that a sotapanna would still be capable of e.g. acting out of lust, but it would be impossible for them to permanently lose the perspective of lust being unwholesome, even if they might act against that knowledge temporarily. Not that they abandoned the hindrances completely. Whereas while we are puthujjanas, we don't have that recognition, and additionally by continuing to act out of lust, the possibility of recognition is more and more remote. (Edit: Didn't see the much more thorough explanation above was posted while I was typing my comment)
@BhikkhuAnigha
@BhikkhuAnigha 11 месяцев назад
It's not that they would go back to a "lifetime of drinking". The breaches of five precepts would never be for the long-term, or at least it's extremely unlikely. They might just slip every now and then, but not all of them would decide to keep the 8 precepts in order to progress further if they're content with what they've attained. In India, because of all the dangers and issues there were, people were less "spoiled" than we are today, were luxuries that kings back then didn't have are taken for granted. It's not that we _have_ to live like them, but rather that because of that proliferation, even the mere _idea_ of renunciation is by default much more incomprehensible and inherently unpalatable to us than it was to them, and that idea needs to be thoroughly grasped and accepted so as to get the Right View.
@BuzzRanking
@BuzzRanking 11 месяцев назад
I do not agree, even sotapanna's will still have sense desire to a large degree. Hindrances can temporarily be removed while listening to discourses from ariya''s If you have the merits for it and live a decently moral life, understanding the dhamma is enough. Just like what happened in the sutta's is happening now aswell, many lay people are attaining stream entry from listening to sermons.
@dicsoncandra1948
@dicsoncandra1948 11 месяцев назад
Hindrances can be removed only if the three good conducts are fulfilled as requisite (action by body, speech and mind), and the three good conducts are fulfilled only by sense-restraint as requisite. Sense restraint and three good conducts must be established before hand. The 7 factors of enlightenment must be fulfilled for dhammavicaya, which is necessary for penetrative wisdom. To think otherwise is mere wishful thinking and to approach things with the attitude of sensuality and enmeshed in craving, remaining bound to suffering.
@fingerprint5511
@fingerprint5511 11 месяцев назад
Are Ajahn Maha Buha's teachings included here because something is off a bit. 🙏
@TheApatheticGuy
@TheApatheticGuy 11 месяцев назад
Why did Ajahn Chah call Sotapanna "fish sauce"? Ajahn Sumedho, when asked about that, said something like "because it's just a label to give the practice some flavor". What is the Bhantes' opinion on this topic?
@stefanvidenovic5095
@stefanvidenovic5095 11 месяцев назад
The metaphor of "fish sauce" might have been used by Ajahn Chah to convey the idea that just as fish sauce is a starter or a fundamental ingredient in many Thai dishes, a Sotapanna is at the beginning stage of the path to full enlightenment. They have had their first taste of the truth of the Dhamma and can no longer regress to a state of complete ignorance, much like how fish sauce imparts a foundational flavor that permeates a dish and cannot be removed once added.
@TheApatheticGuy
@TheApatheticGuy 11 месяцев назад
​@stefanvidenovic5095 This seems like an appropriate answer. I thank you for your perspective, that does make sense. A foundational part of the dish, but not the full nutritional value of the meal. Sadhu.
@robertm3139
@robertm3139 11 месяцев назад
There is a fish sauce in Thailand literally called sotapana. From my understanding ajahn chat was just saying "don't worry about it right now."
@Dukkha-Bhavana
@Dukkha-Bhavana 10 месяцев назад
I like. Less like a fish in a stream, more like fish sauce in a stream, or anywhere else. Stinky li'l' thang can't even try to swim against the flow.
@Mountain_Dhamma
@Mountain_Dhamma 8 месяцев назад
@@robertm3139yup. He was being snarky 😂
@alecdawson1668
@alecdawson1668 11 месяцев назад
I’m not sure I agree. A sotapanna removes ditthi vipalasa but still has sanna vipalasa, which is to say that despite understanding the lack of value of sense pleasures, they still perceive them as such. Someone can only be dispassionate to the extent that you seem to be describing when they completely remove kama raga, which aliens upon becoming an amagami.
@BhikkhuAnigha
@BhikkhuAnigha 11 месяцев назад
Sure, the pervertion of perception will come back due to underlying tendencies, because the overcoming of hindrances that the Suttas describe prior to the Right View (the "cleaning of the cloth"in MN 54 quoted above) is temporary. The main point is, the cloth _needs_ to be immaculately clean (which requires having no absolutelly no desire for sensuality in the past, present or future, and feeling joy on account of recognizing it's inherent danger, not on account of bodily sensations) in order to dye it. It will get dirty again if the sotapanna doesn't feel like striving further at the time, but the point is it's already the right color, and that can never change. AN 3.94 also shows that a stream enterer whose mind is free from hindrances even temporarily becomes an anagami if they pass away during that time, because it's the same degree of purity on that occasion.
@sahassaransi_mw
@sahassaransi_mw 10 месяцев назад
​@@BhikkhuAnighaTheruwansaranai Bhante! In the suttas jhana is often described as the ABANDONING of the hinderances. I interpreted this as meaning one fully abandons the value of the hinderances and sees their danger fully, thus one puts the hinderances down never to pick them up again. Can you really say you abandoned something if that "abandonment" is temporary, as you seem to suggest here (forgive me if there is some mistake in how I understood your reply to this comment)? In the Culasakuludayi sutta, there seems to be a distinction pointed out between jhanas where one is "quite secluded from sensual pleasures" (called by the Buddha to be an "exclusively pleasant world") versus jhana in which one abandons the five hinderances (which the Buddha calls a higher and more sublime state in comparison to the other type of Jhana, and the type of Jhana for which his disciples lead the holy life to realize). I had again interpreted this difference to mean in the former "type" of Jhana one's release is temporary since the hinderances are not abandoned, whilst in the second one is truly freed from the hinderances, forever. I would appreciate if you could point out if there is a mistake in my understanding of this?
@jishman101
@jishman101 11 месяцев назад
I think you may be putting the cart before the horse here. You cannot simply decide not to value sense pleasures, the very presence of desire is evidence that the mind values what it is craving. Even the idea of restraint implies that you are controlling yourself form engaging in something, if there is a need to do that then clearly there is attachment. You actually need some level of insight in order to see the suffering that is generated by indulging in sense pleasures. Once you see this, the letting go will happen automatically, just like someone who realises they are holding onto a hot coal will let go of the coal. This isn't to say that there is no benefit in applying sense restraint, the benefit here is that it allows you to generate a strong conviction in the teachings which is hard to do if you are actively seeking comfort and delighting in sense pleasures.
@BhikkhuAnigha
@BhikkhuAnigha 11 месяцев назад
There is still attachment when applying restraint of course. The point is not that not valuing sense pleasure is to be "simply decided". Rather, by "simply deciding" to be restrained, with or without wisdom, there is at least a _basis_ for the danger in sensual pleasures to become apparent. It's not even a guarantee that it will. One has to also be making the effort to reflect on that danger, which was not covered in this video but is explained in many others on the channel. Once that's fully seen then yes, restraint is not even necessary, and the value is totally gone. Now, the caveat to what you say about "dropping the hot coal" is that if there is no knowledge and vision of the Four Noble Truths, then the coal is still being held onto to some extent. Reflecting on the 4NT when the coal has truly (temporarily) been dropped has to result in stream entry.
@andreschoenfeld
@andreschoenfeld 11 месяцев назад
25:50 In the Pali Canon and other early Buddhist texts, an arahant is someone who has attained full enlightenment and is thus free from all defilements, including sensual desire. The state of arahantship is characterized by the complete eradication of the ten fetters, which include sensual desire (kāmacchanda) and attachment to form (rūparāga) and formless realms (arūparāga). There is no account in the early Buddhist scriptures of an arahant returning to sensuality, as this would contradict the very definition of arahantship. Once a person has attained arahantship, they are considered to have eradicated all forms of craving and attachment, which means they would not revert to a state of sensuality. The Theravada tradition, which holds the Pali Canon as its doctrinal core, maintains that an arahant is incapable of backsliding into a less advanced spiritual state. This is a fundamental aspect of the Theravada understanding of enlightenment. Other schools of Buddhism may have different interpretations, but the concept of an arahant returning to sensuality is generally not supported in the traditional texts.
@FindingThePath99
@FindingThePath99 11 месяцев назад
he was speaking of the attainment of Right View (sotapanna) not arahantship.
@andreschoenfeld
@andreschoenfeld 11 месяцев назад
Returning to sensuality after attaining 'Right View' is definitely not reconcilable with the teachings of the Buddha.
@brianthatweirdbarberguy
@brianthatweirdbarberguy 10 месяцев назад
​@@andreschoenfeldthe fetter of sensual desire is not abandoned until becoming a non-returner
@MikeTooleK9S
@MikeTooleK9S 11 месяцев назад
these guys are stuck chasing their own tails. They made it way too complicated. And if the world itself was not a doom driven wasteland, any child can “get it”, many already have. beatles say, love is all you need, it’s like you got lost in the colon of your own mind, now you are afraid to freaking smell things well, no wonder
@kzantal
@kzantal 11 месяцев назад
They do tend to exaggerate, in my understanding, the freedom of a sotapana, as they sometimes make it sound like being an anagami. That being said, this channel makes the path very clear and down-to-earth. Unlike many other teachers who make it mystical and unattainable. Their instructions are straightforward and their understanding of dependent origination is very helpful to see the three characteristics. Having read the majjhima nikaya, I would say they are more consistent with the suttas than many other modern teachers. Almost no one else insists this much about abandoning the three poisons. Let's not even talk about the dangers of sense pleasures. Maybe I'm dumb but I hadn't quite heard it clearly before finding their channel. Most teachers barely talk about it and I've never come across someone explaining clearly why sense pleasures are dangerous, a trap, etc.
@jaroslav6109
@jaroslav6109 11 месяцев назад
For me this is the best dhamma channel as well the best when it comes to monks teaching. Recently a channel called The dhamma Hub popped in my feed and this lay German guy does also pretty good work in my wiew.
@kzantal
@kzantal 11 месяцев назад
@@jaroslav6109 Yes, he's great too. His teaching is almost identical to Hillside Hermitage. Just more organised and straight to the point. I wish such channels existed 17 years ago when I converted to Buddhism.
@jaroslav6109
@jaroslav6109 10 месяцев назад
​@@kzantalvery well said, just what I think.
@olga.klimova
@olga.klimova 11 месяцев назад
Great dhamma talk! Thank you, Bhante! 🙏🙏🙏
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