STRING SPOKES for Bike Wheels?

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Rope spokes... spaghetti spokes... string spokes... Nope spokes? Let's see how these Berd fabric spokes handle proper DH mountain biking with a heavy rider.
Disclaimer: Berd sent me these spokes to test. No money changes hands and Berd had zero say in how this video was produced. We have no ongoing relationship with Berd. You can check them out here, if you're looking for more details: berdspokes.com
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@PapaVigo Год назад

Critical moments in MTB evolution: Suspension, hydraulic brakes, 29" wheel, carbon fiber, dropper post and BERD Spoked wheels!

@outdoorsandiego Год назад

The setup looks amazing, but that's approx. $2600 in Wheelset and tires alone. Just way out of the average mountain bikers budget. Great for sponsored racers, though.

@Edvin08 Год назад

True

@wx2999 Год назад

I'm building an $1,100 wheelset with Berd spokes that weighs 1,515g and is strong enough for enduro (I'm also going to run cushcore so it'll be good for DH too). Parts list: NEWMEN Front Hub MTB FADE Straightpull 6-Bolt silver 15x110mm Thru Axle BOOST DT SWISS Rear Hub 350 Straightpull 6-Hole 12x148 mm BOOST Thru Axle Freehub SRAM XD NOTUBES Rim 29" ZTR Flow MK4 28 Hole RACE FACE Rim 27,5" 650B ARC 30 Offset 28 Hole Alloy rims because carbon is garbage. (Running different brand rims front and rear for weight savings, Raceface 29 is heavier than NoTubes 29, and NoTubes 27.5 is heavier than Raceface 27.5) I would have gone with slightly lighter hubs but the price increase would be absurd. 76projects High Flow Valves (lighter, higher flow, and cheaper than SantaCruz Fillmore valves) Formula steel brake rotor screws (lighter than other steel screws, and cheaper than titanium). I'm also running KCNC 7075 thru axles which are 93g lighter than the stock pair. Only $80 for the pair. Got a lot of parts of the r2 bike site, because they measure, list, and allow you to sort by weight in grams.

@Jamesyshreds Год назад

@@wx2999 now this is a 10/10 RU-vid comment!!

@RNicknackpaddywhack Год назад

I wonder if they have to be protected from UV light over time.

@ryanmarshall4741 Год назад

My friend runs berds. And loves them. I will be getting them this fall if I can afford them by then!

@TheLoamRanger Год назад

Nice!

@denesk2794 Год назад

This concept is bothering a lot of people as they have the impression that the hub is resting on the bottom spokes, as opposed to the hub being suspended on the upper ones .... that old cart wheel model is still somehow confusing people.... One thing I am wondering about is how they would hold up against scrub, branches, rocks and whatever cr@p that always gets in your wheel.... well, gets in my wheel in the dry season. Could they fray?

@Humtuk Год назад

I am using Berd spokes on my Yeti ARC. I have Onyx Vespar hubs and weareone union rims and they have been perfect. When i got the wheels it was like i hit a fitness milestone automatically, could tell right away how much easier it was to ride longer and how much better i felt at the end of a long ride. They are my favorite part on my bike.

@JerrySpallone Год назад

Have these on all three bikes. 10 downhill race weekends plus another 10 or so dh park days. Ride my trail and e-bike 2-4 times a week. I did ride a regular wheel set once recently and while the setup felt more sluggish than my berd wheels, I was experimenting with different inserts and tubes which could’ve caused the difference in feel. The berd spokes seems to keep the wheels true longer. The only negatives besides price to me are to change one or more spokes you have to detension all the other spokes. Make sure you keep track of which spoke lengths are on which wheels if you have multiple hoop/hub configurations and make sure you have spares on hand (order with your build) otherwise you’re paying shipping for a couple of spokes.

@thusmarshal8815 Год назад

Ali Clarkson showed that It can work with trials as well it's an awesome innovative design( and Ali's spokes where homemade)

@vashusan1984 Год назад

My NOBL TR37's with Berd spokes are amazing. Take hard impacts well and feel great. I'm glad, cause they were EXPENSIVE. Not as bad as ENVE, but still.

@The_GreenMachine Год назад

i wanna see some slow-mo shots of you ripping through a hard berm on these wheels. ive been on the fence on rebuilding mine with these spokes but i want to see if they do indeed flex in hard corners or if they hold up well.

@colinress 10 месяцев назад

I have an Ibis Exie with an ultra light wheel set. I have been riding around 1700 miles on single track trails with lots of rocks and roots since September 2022. I have gone through a new XTR cassette and chain recently. But the wheels have remained true since I got the bike.

@IDoBlues Год назад

I LOVE my Berd spokes! So lightweight (unsprung & rotational), but also have such a nice dampened feel to them. I love love love them. Stupid expense? Yes. Will I buy them again? Only if the price comes down. But this was a very specific treat for myself (surgery recovery) and I'm glad I did it. Hopefully this tech becomes more available, affordable and accessible in the next few years. If you are in Vancouver, Kissing Crows Cyclery are dealers and know what they are doing.

@darrinkulyk9560 Год назад

High Pro Costs 😎 Embrace It . I live in VanCity 😃

@deisen123 Год назад

I’ve been waiting for a rector these. Definitely sounds intriguing minus the expense.

@SkarTisu Год назад

I’m intrigued, but I’m going to keep an ear out for one more year on these. I wonder what 1-2 years of UV exposure does to those spokes.

@tjay_mac Год назад

I have the Berd Hawk27 wheels on my Ripley AF which replaced my ENVE M630. I liked it so much I got another Hawk series, their new Berd Hawk30 for my Stumpy Evo.

@RidingThruLife Год назад

"So light, too light, incredibly light, way lighter.....,weight? Comparisons? " 😁 Maybe I missed it? It looks like more people need to sign up for your Patreon so you can afford a sweater that you don't need to tape a logo out on? 🤣 Thanks for the content. 🤟

@wx2999 Год назад

Industry 9 Hydras are pretty heavy. I would have gone with DT Swiss, Newmen, Tune, Extralight, Carbon-Ti, etc What is the total weight of the wheelset?

@MTB_Rider_96 Год назад

If I find a bag of money laying around, I'll give these a try. Thanks for the review!

@dylanm3519 Год назад

I probably will never purchase these for my mountain bike. But it's good to know. Keep bringing the content Beth & Ryan +!

@giuseppehidalgo3360 Год назад

I noticed that your running the apple wacth ultra, future review maybe.😏

@70HeavyChevy Год назад

It’s a nice piece and very useful if you find yourself out in BFE often. I ride solo to it’s nice to have the SOS + GPS functions. The cloth bands get very dirty quick. Get a rubber or leather band and you’re set!

@giuseppehidalgo3360 Год назад

@@70HeavyChevy oh yeah,I just got myself one about a week ago and I hope to use it during summer where you can actually ride lots and not freeze.

@darrinkulyk9560 Год назад

Excellent Vid . I'm getting Convergence rims with I9s and Berd spokes For My CF Warden 😎 Will Be EVEN More Awesome 😎

@peterk7662 Год назад

I came across these several years ago and wondered why they weren't a thing with the weight weenie crowd in MTB. Looks like that time has arrived! Really curious to ride these and possibly try a set of my own one day 🙂.

@MikeesTexas Год назад

I’ve has similar experiences with my current wheelset. I’m 235lbs and running a Derby front rim and a light bicycle rear rim with DT Swiss hubs and BERD spokes/ my wheelset was built by berd and are still running true after 2 years of a bunch of riding/ ive had many rocks and sticks get thrown into the wheels/ never a problems/ im not wealthy by any means but the value proposition is plain to see here/ i see my self replacing the bearings on my hubs and running my current berd wheels for years to come/ sidenote: i ride a full tilt ripley and my berd wheelset is the most standout “component” that makes the bike as sweet as it is….

@threeinchesoffury Год назад

I have a set and love them. I'm running a Assegai and DHR. And I love them. My switchblade is as sharp as a razor. I have them laced on atomik wheels and hydra hubs.

@AsherBensimon Год назад

I’d love to ride those spokes but I honestly don’t think there with double the price of traditional spokes that do pretty much the same thing. Sweet Video!

@michaelrodgers5105 Год назад

8x more monies. I run hope hubs and dt swiss ex511. I'm a fatty at 250Lb my wheels are fine after a summer of riding.... I can build 2 complete wheel sets for the cost of one rear wheel using berd.

@sinjuneb 5 месяцев назад

are you still riding the berd spokes? how are they holding up?

@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5 Год назад

I think the most important aspect is that they are so reliable, lightness is great but honestly I would take durability over lightness....but hey if you get fed free gear then throw all that out the window and go bash some more trails! I had a set of industry 9 Enduro S wheelset and ended up selling it because I kept breaking spokes(yes I'm heavier) so I might consider a wheelset with Berd spokes next. Thanks for the great review, enjoy the snow! I'm moving to Prescott AZ this week, can't wait to shred!

@LastAphelion Год назад

Update? Just curious what you got/how it worked out for ya

@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5 Год назад

@@LastAphelion I just re-laced my ibis black bird rims to a set of industry 9 hydra 32 spoke hubs. No carbon, no Nylon spokes.

@orionw.3835 6 месяцев назад

What was the 2nd set of tires ?

@sprousaTM Год назад

Just wondering if the weight is indeed feelable. Most of the reduced weight is indeed feelable when pedaling the further its away from the center (rotating masses). Most impact on the ride feel should be lighter tires and rims, not so much the spokes.

@TheLoamRanger Год назад

Spokes are rotating, unsprung weight. It’s about a 200g weight savings per wheel. 100% noticeable on the trail.

@mattdickey2454 Год назад

Like your videos. I ain't putting out that many frogskins for spokes.

@MikeesTexas Год назад

Ryan, what is your current favorite bar/stem combo?

@TheLoamRanger Год назад

At the moment, I'm quite enjoying a 40mm I9 stem and PNW Range 31.8 bar with it's 10 degree backsweep. I'd likely still be running the Fasst bars, but I personally like a ton of upsweep, which doesn't jive with that design.

@MikeesTexas Год назад

@@TheLoamRanger 31.8 carbon bar? You’ve got me intrigued, im currently running a flexx bar with the hardest bushings, ive never ran a bar with more pronounced upsweep than others

@casladek Год назад

How do these ropes hold up against rotor heat, camp fires and flame in general? Are they fire retardant?

@TheLoamRanger Год назад

Zero issues with rotor heat. If you find your bike in a camp fire, I think you have bigger problems to handle in that moment!

@yzlvr Год назад

What length spokes did you end up with front and rear? I would like to compare what I used with my steel spokes with the same rims and hubs.

@MarioXcore1 Год назад

> so light they will float on water boats: Am I a joke to you

@TheLoamRanger Год назад

Haha fair enough

@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Год назад

Man I wanted to try those tires but they only come in 2.4? WTH! Why don't they have more sizing options...? A 2.5 is pretty standard...

@TheLoamRanger Год назад

The difference between the two is pretty much nil. When I went to Michelin and started using 2.4’s over 2.5’s, I saw almost no difference, visually.

@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Год назад

@@TheLoamRanger That's good to know! I bet the run amazing with some cushcore and lower pressures... The DHRII is great but I'm trying to go back to a 29" so I might give these a shot! Thanks!

@86309 Год назад

Did I miss where you state the actual weight savings in your application?

@TheLoamRanger Год назад

A little over 200g per wheel.

@86309 Год назад

@@TheLoamRanger and that is about the weight savings going from a full DH tire to a Enduro casing tire.

@rh994 Год назад

So that would add up to abt 400g per wheel when you include both tire and wheel/spokes. That’s a lot, almost 2 lbs of rotating weight.

@86309 Год назад

@@rh994 Well the point was he likes DH weight tires so he wanted it offset by the spokes .

@RobbisTV Год назад

The mechanic at 3:15, is his name Dean?

@TheLoamRanger Год назад

That’s him!

@Qbur Год назад

Yeeting my self through rock gardens lol

@thim8009 Год назад

They looked really cool and thought about making my ebike lighter, until you told me the price.

@mrvwbug4423 Год назад

They're great, just way too expensive. Price needs to come down a bunch.

@anthonytimpson4975 11 месяцев назад

if im worried about a few pounds less on my downhill bike I lay off the beer for a few weeks.

@kenny_kaos Год назад

lol why not just wear a different sweatshirt?

@devinwillis7787 Год назад

Rotating weight is worth a lot more than static weight like a frame or rider. Of course for pure climbing efficiency the best thing you can do is lose weight on the rider but you’ll feel a huge difference in the way the bike rides with rotating weight change

@zap... Год назад

Their so light they float on water!? So do ships.

@scottsnyder2651 Год назад

Ryan, If you don’t mind me asking, How much do you weigh? Berd’s site has suggested rider weight limit.

@TheLoamRanger Год назад

During testing I was around 200-205lbs

@berdspokes Год назад

Hey there! Any weight ratings that you will see are related to the rims and/or hubs. There really is no weight rating for Berd spokes themselves!

@TnFruit 7 месяцев назад

Hmmm... If you talk seriously about the downsides you should point out, that the rotational stiffnes isn't good.

@TheLoamRanger 7 месяцев назад

Rotational stiffness? Like flex while I'm straight-line braking? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

@TnFruit 7 месяцев назад

@@TheLoamRanger ya, it's not stiff at breaking and when accelerate.

@rickywoods3101 4 дня назад

@@TnFruitthat's crazy sounding to me ?? Why would you want the wheel to flex during braking and pedaling ?

@krautergarten4529 4 месяца назад

Berd had such a good idea, but also incredible frustrating rip off. They just use standard kitsurfing lines 5$ for 20m (~64 spokes) and an ordanery splice on one side, a fingertrap on the other. Both every kitsurfer and sailer can do with closed eyes and sell it with a 10000% mark up to save 120g. Such a shame. 🤮

@TheLoamRanger 4 месяца назад

Do you believe this to be true, or do you know (with evidence) this to be true?

@krautergarten4529 4 месяца назад

@@TheLoamRanger oh man my post got deleted ... can't post link to Berd hp🤦‍♂️. IT IS STATED ON THE BERD HOMPAGE! Just klick on Technology. These ropes were invented by the shipping industry in the 80's. Berd uses standard dyneema SK99 2,5mm ... PI-Rope uses standart dyneema D20 2,5mm. U can by the splice tools for 5$ in every kitsurfing or shipping store ... they are on most high quality kites. Just google it ... takes 2min. I use them for camping since the 90's 😂 . #wikipedia

@krautergarten4529 4 месяца назад

@@TheLoamRangerok, have u deleted both of my posts?

@krautergarten4529 4 месяца назад

@@TheLoamRanger 3rd try ... Shorter. It is stated on their homepage!!! Berd -> technology. Invented in the 80's. Google -> dyneema. Berd uses standard SK99 2,5mm. PI-Ropes uses standard D20 2,5mm.

@krautergarten4529 4 месяца назад

@@TheLoamRanger4th try, even shorter... It is stated on the Berd homepage. Google dyneema. I use it since the 90's for camping ...

@Eric.V. Год назад

Say you have plastic spokes without saying you have plastic spokes. “Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene”😆 Cool concept though…

@deancarmichael6635 Год назад

Whats the weight savings? $700 for 30, 40 or 50 grams!

@TheLoamRanger Год назад

With this setup vs my normal wheels, I saw roughly a 200g rotational, unsprung weight savings per wheel. Pretty substantial, but yes, the cost is also substantial.

@berdspokes Год назад

The weight savings is great but it's not the whole story. For those extra dollars you also get increased strength and durability, along with better ride quality and traction.

@jbee4892 Год назад

eyyy first

@mustclime5311 Год назад

too rich for my wallet.

@mtbjon3587 Год назад

Spents all video telling us how light his wheels are. Doesn't tell us how light his wheels are.

@fillfreakin2245 Год назад

Could save a lot of money by just using shoelaces. That's essentially what they are. For the weight and money savings, I think I'll just eat/drink a bit less.