Strongest Subcompact Tractor?!? New Holland WORKMASTER 25s / LS MT125

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Real world lift capacity test of the New Holland WORKMASTER 25s (LS MT125).
This tractor claims to have the largest loader lift capacity of any subcompact tractor. Let's see if that is true!
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@ilmo2313 3 года назад

Wow!!! Two episodes with the cap. I'll have to get you another special cap next time we meet. Give Christy her cap back. LOL. Impressed with how much the NH can lift, too. On some of the early models of the 1025R, there was a problem of the "droopy bucket syndrome" that some of the members on GTT talked about, It was similar to the bucket dumping instead of curling up as you found on the NH. Mine never had the problem, though.

@robsmith7681 3 года назад

My ls mt122 had the same issue. I just fixed it. My rod end balls for the joystick mechanism were all loose. Was a real problem, and I only found it cause I actually broke one of the rod ends just on Tuesday night. I fixed it Wednesday, and it’s a HUGE improvement. I was pretty surprised that it had been a issue since the day I bought the tractor. My dads yanmar also has the droopy bucket syndrome too. We’re checking his joystick out this weekend.

@brandonmacklenar1484 3 года назад

The 1026R I had suffered horribly from “droopy bucket syndrome”. JD released a TSB with a fix. If I remember correctly, it was a check valve installed in the SCV to hold pressure in the cylinders until the curl hydraulics took over with enough pressure. The side effect: dump was much slower. I also had to search for a dealer willing to install the valve; my selling dealer wouldn’t do it unless I dropped the machine now for an appointment 3 weeks in the future, then they had to duplicate the problem. Unless they put a few hundred pounds of load in the bucket, it wouldn’t droop.

@tonydekubber3114 3 года назад

Great video, the loader valve on my 2019 MT 125 does not have any curl issues, and the float woks great by pushing the lever forward.

@crhend512 3 года назад

As always, another excellent video. Nearby to me are a Deere dealer, a Case-IH (with Yanmar-Cub Cadet compact & sub-caompact) dealer and a New Holland (with Kubota for compact & sub-compact) dealer. I had not yet found your RU-vid channel when I was researching a sub-compact, so it took a while. I now recommend your channel to anyone considering a purchase.

@ATR-42 3 года назад

20 seconds in... I knew this was gonna be good! the expression on Tims face when the weights went flying lol

@jwright650 3 года назад

Nice job with the testing. Being objective and keeping the tests as similar as possible provides useful information.

@ShoeRyan 3 года назад

Yesterday I was thinking, 'man I wonder if Tim has a lift capacity video on that workmaster'. Not really in the market, but fun to watch!

@garyeisele2810 3 года назад

I sure appreciate your honest reviews on all the different types of attachments, equipment and tractors. I am needing to sell my 2007 John Deere 2305 that I truly love and have always maintained in tip top shape. Regardless of hours which JD only has about 600 hrs, I have always changed all the fluids (oil and hydraulic) including all the filters (fuel,air,oil and hydraulic filters) every year. I am needing more PTO power. I am glad I watched your video on the New Holland I have kick around the idea of looking at looking at them. I have used a friends Kabota that has about 3 more HP on the hydraulics then my 2305, but I can outperform his tractor by lifting not to mention the hydraulics on the Kabota just do not operate smooth like the Deere. I am sticking with the Deere I want the 2038R (30.4 Hydraulic HP) with the bucket and now Frontier has the reverse tine tiller and pallet forks but the $42.000 is a bit much so I will probably end up with the 2032R that has 24.2 PTO hp for about 10,000 less.

@ljedinger 3 года назад

I own one of these and love it. I have zero issues with the valve and the float feature works fine for me. Perfect size bucket etc. for what I need it for.

@jonkluver7912 4 месяца назад

I'm no farmer but I bleed green and very interested in getting one of these

@person86422 3 года назад

I was watching you lift the weights and thinking "gosh those weights would be scary if they slipped out" then bang! They slipped out 😂 Thank your for this video! One of the most informative loader capacity videos I've ever seen

@pmdoit 3 года назад

Another clear and concise informational video. I love the videos that you two do. Who does the editing?

@hardwareguy1 3 года назад

Good review Tim. The other good think about testing with the bucket level is that more closely replicates what you could left when using pallet forks. You would usually want to keep the load level as you lift.

@bnewton5922 3 года назад

Congratulations. Wasn’t that long ago you had to ask for help doing heavy lifting because of your health. I’m so glad to see you improved and doing things like this. Watch those cheeseburgers and keep up the great videos. Don’t forget to give Christy her hat back. Lol God bless. Bruce from Mason Michigan

@nealtubbs9608 3 года назад

Good video guys. Thanks for showing the test.

@jamesjohnson6639 3 года назад

Great to see this comparison. I use a massey ferguson and I'm curious how it would compare but those Ls and new hollands have some good lifting specs. Looks like that sv needs a reseal or replacement though, the o-rings are allowing bleeding to the other port.

@terrybenson3632 3 года назад

Thank you Tim & Christy. Another excellent video!!..

@savagep6997 3 года назад

THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR VIDEO SHOW THIS MORNING. LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERYTIME 🚜 STAY SAFE AND TAKE CARE 🤗❤🚜

@chuckstimson9029 3 года назад

By always keeping the bucket level it gives a good apples to apples comparison. Love the comparisons that you do.

@Aprons.Overalls 3 года назад

This is why independent testing means so much more than specs on a piece of paper. Great stuff, Tim!

@stump-bossBIll 3 года назад

Great demonstration TTWT! Sorry about your concrete floor taking a beating!

@-Dave-is-not-here 3 года назад

Good fair objective video as always Tim, I have the same tractor as commented before and I can tell you that you seem to have a valve issue as well. I can also tell you from experience I had mine loosen up and had to be serviced under warranty and I would be willing to bet it is something along those lines as seeing the condition that LBB is in I don't believe the previous owner was one to do much in the way of service on that tractor. Keep up the good work and God Bless you and Christy.

@johanbos160 3 года назад

Nice video tim and kristie and always nice too see the difference between the other tractors 👍👍

@larrypoeschel6871 3 года назад

Tim, you did a excellent job. Thanks Larry

@myhillbillyways321 3 года назад

Hi Tim great job testing the lift capacity the sloppy valve would scare me , I have a 2017 NH Boomer 24 and the joystick is on a pedestal just in front of the right fender a little taller than the pto and 3 point handle, it's very easy to feather the controls. ps. it dose have the float position.

@deanbushnell6596 3 года назад

Has anyone or yourself thought about using a magnetic level on the side of the bucket for a close levelness? Good video

@lisajohnson8566 2 года назад

Hi Tim, I realize this video is almost a year old and I haven't read all your comments but I know what was wrong with that loader valve. I have a LS MT-125 and these tractors are identical. In fact through my research LS makes it for New Holland. But on the valve. My tractor had the same issues with that valve and more. The fix was that the valve top, where the heim joints to the valves are come loose. The operator handle comes loose too and then you have all kinds of thing going on there at the top of that valve at the same time. I tightened EVERYTHING up at the top of the valve and it didn't work this good from the factory. I so appreciate you doing this lift test to see exactly what this machine can lift. I also found it interesting how you graphed the fact that is loses capacity as the bucket goes up. The "1000" pound lift capacity at the pins was a selling point for me and I've figured that the best this machine could do with the bucket was about 850 pounds. But what a surprise to see you snatch that heavy load off the ground. I have to write down those numbers so I have an idea but I personally wouldn't put more then 1000 pounds in that bucket as it's my machine and I don't want to abuse it. But that was the best test I've ever seen and I learned a lot. Thanks so much and I liked and subscribed.

@TractorTimewithTim 2 года назад

Thanks for the kind words, and explanation on the valve.

@beyondfubar 2 года назад

Would be nicer to be able to test them all new, and that valve issue maybe would maybe not be an issue but it'd irritate the hell out of me. Still they often list very high limits on loader ability which it's good to see those aren't under some situation I'd never encounter. It makes me think maybe it's not all vape and mirrors! Also sold the 2038R last week! Pretty upset, but it found a fantastic home with some good people and I've set my sights on a much much larger LS. You guys got me started on tractors and now I can't stop! They're so much fun and I've been able to do so much with mine. If they're not a mythical creature I should have a MT573 by Christmas, which will be so much more fun in the cold then a open station 2038..

@derekpiehl85 3 года назад

If u need a different tractor to do weight tests with. U could come to northern Wisconsin and we could do a lift capacity with my yanmar sa424 tractor. It says 1200lbs. But I have lifted multiple huge logs at the same time. If u get a chance to run a yanmar let us know what u think

@dcidci1012 2 года назад

Been watching a lot of your videos, it is easy to see your preference is green period. I don't know which is best, one of my sons is now riding a new green bought last year because he liked the new green I put my dad on year before last & both have big smiles. I started out on a case IH & that ended badly JUNK ! tested several Oranges & just not comfortable, well 30 years & 4 blue later I am still smiling. I have sold 2 & still have 2 , the 94 model says FORD & the 96 model say Ford/New Holland. I like green & respect green, but with 52 years of operation between the 2 with no breakdowns ? Thank you Tim for your great videos.

@erichedges2948 3 года назад

Tim Your comparison flat is good demonstration because alot of people would use that for how much forks would pick up.

@Obi1kenobi10 3 года назад

The Ford (New Holland) I use @work is a beast. We tried to over load it last week with snow, salt, gravel and roofing materials. Just couldn't over load it. Heck, I used it today as a jack to change the tires on our Kubota. (Floor jack developed a bad leak. We only lifted the front)

@thomasyerbey337 3 года назад

Great video Tim 🚜 I really enjoyed this video 🇺🇲💯

@Bob-vb8lc 3 года назад

That was a good test. I almost purchased that size NH, but the JD had much more to offer for me. Good job folks

@peterkober6758 3 года назад

Tim Christi great demonstration very fair God Bless All PaK

@briannelson4493 3 года назад

Tim I had a Boomer 25 2012 year of make good little tractor my bucket rams started leaking I couldn’t get internal parts for repair. I had to buy new cylinders it was 5 months to get so I traded it in for a Kubota B2650 with a cab. I love this Kubota.

@rexbarrett1643 3 года назад

Thank goodness Mary wasn’t standing under the bucket when the weights fell! Nice test Tim.

@hooligansoutside7470 3 года назад

We've got a hard used 2017 MT125. I'd say that one has a valve issue. Full float is all the way forward and mine doesn't dump when lowering and curling. I really do wish it had the SSQA but it is what it is.

@DragonflyAcres2022 3 года назад

Good job explaining

@chrismills4213 3 года назад

Love these types of videos 👍

@GaryB33 3 года назад

Good video tim and christy. Looks like the lift arms are shorter than the ones on the JD1025, can you do a measurement there too. That would increase the lift too. Either way the NH did lift a good about of weight. Rural King claims their tractor can lift a lot too. Too bad Mike Morgan doesn't have that one still. Have a Great Day, GOD BLESS

@grayacres4111 3 года назад

I really enjoyed this and glad to see you testing a New Holland / LS tractor. I have a LS MT125 - 2020 model (bought it because of your videos). It is my first tractor and I like it but it does have it's own idiosyncrasies. 1. I have had to replace the parts in the front end loader twice (see my youtube video on gray acres) 2. the front left tire leaks air around the rim and has to have air added ever other day. The right is not as bad but leaks 3. never received any communications from the manufacturer and it is registered in my name

@coltknight3945 2 года назад

That sounds super frustrating

@kylebishop3602 3 года назад

Usually what I find when the valve seems sloppy their's a loose bolt holding one or both of the functions together. The float position should operate like you said in the video push to lower then go a little further and it should lock in. But if something is loose it might not work properly, the other main cause iv seen in loader valves is a build up of water usually from condensation in the end cap of the valve but that usually takes one function away altogether.

@tsafa 3 года назад

great test! Have you done Kubota L series tests? You should create a playlist with these type of tests on different tractors if you have access to them for testing.

@bengentry2982 3 года назад

Great (and fair)rundown on the NH bucket lifting ability. I believe you have a valve problem on that bucket as mine does not seem to have that issue. Switching gears are you aware of a good after market bucket that would fit that NH backhoe.? Mine came with a 9 and need a 12. Really enjoy your take on the different manufacturers!

@Mike_Neukam 3 года назад

LS/NH makes a 12" bucket for that backhoe. My MT122 came with a 12". I believe they have a 16" bucket as well. Someone on the LS facebook group had a trencher bucket made by BXpanded for their MT125.

@nickosowski9305 3 года назад

Good morning Tim. Great video, as always. I would love to see a lifting capacity test on the newer Yanmar 324/424. Have you ever thought about introducing Yanmar to your videos, or have any future plans on doing so ? Thanks for all the work you and Christy put into your videos.

@TractorTimewithTim 3 года назад

Only one dealer in the state of Indiana.

@tinachambers4887 3 года назад

Hi Tim an Christie,I reckon the NH needs a vale replaced shouldn't lose pressure an drop I'm sure you already have the new part to fix it that should be a good video have a day love from TEXAS

@Katyhillfarmer 3 года назад

Got to say i was surprised by these results, great job Tim you keep doing these lift capacity test your going to bulk up lol

@andysmith5220 3 года назад

In the future you might look at getting a narrow water totem. Put in buck and strap down put fire hose in and do same test. Add or subtract water to get very accurate test of carry capacity. Then you can utilize water around property as well

@BigRooster616 3 года назад

This is the same tractor I bought new in 2020 . Love it . It's a work horse for its size for sure . I have buddy's with deer and Kubota and even a Mahindra. I have used all of them myself . I chose to buy the New Holland Work Master 25s. I think they all had things I liked about them . But this one checked more boxes then all the others . Good video

@EOTG_AK 3 года назад

Does yours exibit the issue where the bucket drops when trying to curl while lifting?

@garywaterman814 2 года назад

Hello, Since you've owned and operated the NH 25s I figure you would be a good person to ask if you dont mind. Have you experienced the dip when it should curl issue Tim ran into? If so, are you living with the issue or was it fixable? Also, do you know how to set the float?

@tb8338 3 года назад

As you have a zillion comments you probably won't see this but I used to have a Ford/New Holland 1620d (1500 hours) and I now have a 2019 2032R. I find the loader hydraulics on the 2032R to be jumpy whereas on the 1620 they were very smooth. Also the float function worked very well on the 1620. That said I like the 2032R better but the 1620 had its merits. The main reason I switched was because I was tired of skinning my knuckles taking off the deck (which I hardly ever did), the muffler not sticking up, and the quick-tach loader. Other than that the old 1620 was a very good machine! The loader was very easy to remove on that machine as well.

@pioneerAv 3 года назад

I love how you change the colors of the graphics to match the brands 😂

@johnathancrotzer5491 3 года назад

Particularly when he does head to heads you will fade to the other color

@christophish 3 года назад

I have a Workmaster 25S. The float function works how you suggest. Your demo tractor's float must be broken, which might also explain some of your other problems with the valve. I don't have any of the weird things like you do (dumping when curling for example).

@PurpleCollarLife 3 года назад

Great test, Tim. I was impressed with the lift capacity - but wouldn't be able to deal with the sloppy hydraulic control with the joystick. That would drive me crazy.

@1of7 3 года назад

Great video. Thank you.

@chadw3370 3 года назад

Hey Tim! Have you ever tested a Kioti? We have a CK4010 and we love it. Really good tractor. Love the videos!

@TractorTimewithTim 3 года назад

Not yet. Maybe someday! We’ll see!

@dakillaklown715 3 года назад

The valve had known issues of the stop nuts coming loose. I like the controls of my NH loader. Remove the cover to the battery and the panel behind the loader control stick. Break the zip tie and raise the protective boot and tighten the nuts and it will be much better.

@johndeilus7333 2 года назад

My LS MT125 had the same problem. My LS service guy wanted to replace the whole valve. I said no and fixed it my self.

@chrisduncan2626 2 года назад

I had to tighten the nut that held the control handle into the loader valve because it came loose. After that everything works like a dream. Its definitely a work horse and besides not having the drive over deck, ive not missed any Deere features yet. I especially liked the $3k difference in price if not more loll. Mines a 2020 model.

@MikeK84 2 года назад

I believe the new Kioti 20 series machines have the new "best in class" lift for a scut. Get your hands on one Tim. Would love to see this test repeated on one of those

@GeorgeWeaver 3 года назад

Some weaknesses of the LS and New Holland subcompacts are the joystick has design flaws where the connecting pieces, (forget what they are called,) break and have to be replaced too often, (they are fairly easy to replace.) The ability to change the oil is a problem because the allen wrench style plug siezes and can't be removed. That style of plug is used because of proximaty to the front axle. (I'm considering going to a handpump suction tank through the dipstick.) With over 250 hours it has been a little workhorse and yes I do wish the bucket were larger and it had the quick attack skip-loading on the FEL. A 3RD function would also be nice to control the skip loader attachments like a grapler. Changing the Transmission fluid boosted the response, probably true on all tractors.

@croc106 2 года назад

Replaced my connection to the dumping portion of the valve for the FEL 3 times in 6 months after I purchased it brand new in 2019. Such junk.

@1944johndeerel 3 года назад

Nice test, my John Deere 790 has a pathetic lift capacity for its size to be blunt. Also I have a dead spot in the scv just like you demonstrated where you pull in to curl and it dumps your load on the ground.. shortly after buying the tractor I was loading fire wood into a person's trailer and I dumped the load of wood all over the ground behind the trailer I thought I had done something wrong turns out it was the dead spot in the valve. They want a fortune to rebuild or replace that valve so I have learned to snap the lever past the dead spot quickly but it truthfully drives me absolutely nuts...

@usmc6153 3 года назад

I have a Mahindra Max 26 subcompact with an SSQA I could bring up. I bought it under the impression it had the best lift capacity. I am local to you in Indiana.

@zacharysandberg 3 года назад

Hi Tim, so I've got this identical tractor in LS trim, and can't say that I share your experience with the loader control valve. Mine curls and dumps in the correct directions and goes into float predictably.

@Mike_Neukam 3 года назад

I have an MT122. I also don't have any problem with the function of the valve. I will agree with Tim that it doesn't have the greatest "feel" to it. It takes some getting used to, but works reliably.

@photocontrol 3 года назад

Impressive lift capacity with Holly! I wouldn't be fond of that issue with the valve wanting to dump when curling either.

@fmixthings 3 года назад

I'm glad you are doing tests with the W25S. It is the tractor I am most interest in. I was considering the JD with drive over deck, but I'm not 100% certain on that vs the pull out. Only problem is whatever I get will be my new mower and I will want to take the deck off often enough to consider it. Grapple use is my primary thoughts after mowing. Largest lift capacity is best. I was considering the 2032R but I'm just not sure.

@TractorTimewithTim 3 года назад

We’ll show attach ability soon.

@chiefjoseph8154 10 месяцев назад

The tractor is gutless. Trust me.

@fmixthings 10 месяцев назад

@@chiefjoseph8154 I actually ended up going with an LS MT225s. The guy at the dealer said he doesn't recommend mowing with a tractor around my area because we get so much rain the tractors are too heavy and leave ruts. So I spent the money on a bigger tractor instead.

@leonsumrall524 6 месяцев назад

I’ve used this same machine for about 60 hours. Never once had the issue you are having with the valve for the loader. Definitely have that looked at

@TractorTimewithTim 6 месяцев назад

Yea, Pretty sure that was a bad loader valve.

@kevin_6217 3 года назад

Hi Tim, I love the whole Home Depot vibe you have going on there. It's an ACTUAL Depot, at Home.

@nolankartchner1277 3 года назад

Menards

@rickpacheco8864 3 года назад

I like your channel and the things you show and do, with that said with the amount of Mahindra tractors out there both sub compact and other Mahindra tractors, I don’t know for the life of me why your channel and other channels I watch very really compare Mahindra. I own a Mahindra, so my comments might seam bias but I watch all of the top brand tractors so I can fully see a true comparison. When you say in your video that you want to see what these little tractors can lift, then to be fair you should do four or five of the top brands. Like I said I own a Mahindra emax 20 with a full factory glass cab with heat. I went to two different JD dealers that didn’t seem to even want to give me the time of day, let alone sell me one. So I went to Kubota, nice tractors, but in my class couldn’t offer me a factory cab at all never mind with heat. Then onto a few others. None of them, I mean none could come close to the power, weigh and performance of the Mahindra. I have now owned it going on three years, no problems, plus the Mahindra offered the best warranty out of all of them ( 7 years ) I wish your channel, and other channels I watch faithfully would be a little more open minded when it comes to a full comparison of ( all ) the top brands out there. There must be a reason why Mahindra is the number one selling tractor in the World. I will continue to view what your channel has to show and your comments, but please if you’re going to make a comparison then give everyone a fair bite at the apple. Keep up the good work, and stay safe. Just one mans opinion. Thanks

@TractorTimewithTim 3 года назад

Mahindra made by TYM...and they have shown no interest in working with us. Oh, I would recommend you research the ‘#1 selling tractor in the world’ marketing statement. Lots of caveats there. See if you can determine their rank in the USA.

@murrayhalbert2988 3 года назад

Very informative vid, I really liked the objectivity. I have worked with heavy equipment and farm equipment. Anybody that can correct me on this, and please do if I misspeak. The farm duty loader uses the rod end of the hydraulic cylinder to curl the bucket, heavy or industrial equipment have an added linkage to use the non rod end to curl the bucket which creates far more force. Looking at the bucket cylinders I am guessing they are 2 " diameter with 1 1/4 " rods?? But take the area of the cylinder, minus the area of the rod and then multiply your pressure, that is the max force of each bucket cylinder. When you are putting the loader down and then try to curl a huge load, the bucket will uncurl and force the fluid to the least load which is the rod end of the lift cylinders. Worst thing that can and does happen on some hydraulic systems when overloaded, the lift lever is pulled the load is raising and then the curl lever is used, the bucket uncurls and the lift raises faster not a nice surprise, fluid goes to the least resistance which sometimes is backwards. Manufactures need to advertise the lifting capacity near the their sold buckets cutting edge.

@jamesjohnson6239 3 года назад

Great video, bottom line : very good performance for a sub compact tractor.

@kimbaro1 2 месяца назад

That's nice automatic leveling function for fork attachment :)

@rogerleight5174 3 года назад

Hi Tim & Christy, love your video's even when you steal Christy's hat! lol Seriously, I like another person who commented would like to see what a newer or unabused tractor could do. I had a New Holland 35 Workmaster and although a bigger tractor I never had a problem like you were having with the hydrolics such as the float and the sloppy control. Makes me wonder if the previous owner let inexperianced people run it or if he just abused the daylights out of it. I don't care what brand of tractor it is, you need to respect and take care of your equiptment. Thanks for another interesting video and may God bless you and Christy.

@peterreed2685 3 года назад

Please make an effort to do the same test with SkisSteer quick attach. I would love to see the comparison. Even if you redo the test on a different tractor.

@Kcolby47 3 года назад

Boy Tim, you get extra credit for lugging those weights around. No need to go the gym after that. Always interesting to see your observations and comments. That faulty curl is definitely a “no go”! Blessings!

@jamesa9lpiopatton419 2 года назад

I have a bob cat 1021 if u want do any tests on it

@Mike_Neukam 3 года назад

I have a 2020 MT122. It came standard with the newer quick attach bucket, but not the quick attach mechanism. The quick attach bucket is a dual mount, and works as a pin on bucket, or with the quick attach adapter. The geometry does not change when using it with the quick attach adapter, so the only drawback to using it is the extra weight. I did not weigh the adapter before I installed it, but it is not very heavy, maybe 50 or 60 pounds. I don't notice the reduction in lift capacity. I don't know if there are any significant differences between the geometry of the new bucket vs the old one that would affect the lift capacity. The biggest drawback of the quick attach is that it is not SSQA. It looks similar and functions the same, but it is a proprietary mini version, so you can't use standard SSQA attachments. I'm glad that they designed a quick attach system that is relatively compact, lightweight and appropriately sized for the machine, but the lack of available attachments for it makes it almost useless. JDQA really takes the win for versatility in the subcompact market, due to the widespread aftermarket support. If other manufacturers adopted the design and it gained enough popularity to encourage implement manufacturers to support it, it would be a good system.

@Mike_Neukam 3 года назад

I just watched a video showing the new 25s and it appears that it does have a standard SSQA now. I guess New Holland recognized the problem with the LS system and speced it with a full size SSQA for compatibility. There aren't many differences between the NH and LS, but this does appear to be one of them.

@garretlewis4103 3 года назад

My Farmtrac does not have a quick attach bucket. I know it add weight; however, I think it would be nice to have this feature. I've thought about getting one fabricated for my tractor.

@craigsmith8217 3 года назад

Rating at the pin is a good comparison point because it compensate for different buckets or whatevers that might be used.

@TractorTimewithTim 3 года назад

Ah, but does the rating at the pin include the bucket weight? If you cannot answer that easily, then even more confusion is added. Both the Deere and Kubota 500 mm measurements include the bucket.....and I believe their ‘at the pin’ measurements include the bucket as well.

@BiffsEquipment 3 года назад

Great video Tim, the loader valve is obviously worn out on that machine.. which is no excuse as it doesn’t have that many hours to be so sloppy and worn so they should have built it better

@andrewcrawley4429 3 года назад

That curl function going down instead of up with a load in it is due to the lack of a load control type of valve. These type of valves are more expensive but they will correct that problem. Another name for the load control is called a counter balance valve. These will not let the oil coming from the cylinders go out until it’s input pressure is greater than it so as to over come the tendency to go the wrong way before the input pressure can hold the load.

@louiscrim114 2 года назад

I have 44 hours on mine and I love it. However the wheel fell of via the wheel bearing at 2000 rpm low gear

@stanleyconrad4234 Год назад

Jumping in late Tim. I only read about half the comments, so I may be beating a “dead horse”. A couple years ago I purchased an LS repo configured as the NH. It had hard usage IMO with 270 hours. The loader valve was super sloppy and needed adjustment. Since it’s sorta useful around the place I’ve kept it, got it “right”. I’m still learning on loader usage, but seems to be adequate? I did immediately add ballast and I feel everyone should. It would not have been my first choice due to size and pin on bucket, but bought due to it being cheap! Having other tractors I’ve found each has quirks as it were. Now to my question, I have had a tiny Yanmar for 36 years, no hour meter! I do not worry about hours. A maintenance reference for me. I’ve always felt diesel fuel was cheaper than starters and flywheel gears. Lots of idling as I do stuff. Do you personally worry about the hours you put on your tractors? Thanks in advance. Stan here.

@TractorTimewithTim Год назад

Hey Stan. I am concerned about hours on my new machines. They ‘cost a lot’. Hours on an older machine are cheap, so less worrisome. I do not let my tractors idle. You may be right about wear on flywheel and starter. I just hate the noise. Especially when shooting video. So, I shut it off with nearly every stop. In other words, my priorities might be totally different than yours simply because of my usage and needs. I’ve never had any issue with the drivetrain on any of these machines, so I’m getting to where I treat them rougher over time. Gaining confidence that they will last forever:-) Your thoughts?

@stanleyconrad4234 Год назад

@@TractorTimewithTim Well Tim you said it best. One size does not fit all / different strokes for different folks. I’m not videoing (camera waver) and noise doesn’t seem to be an issue for me. So I suspect I’ll continue my practice. I’m STILL waiting on my newest and may be more careful as the hours build on arrival. Probably not. One comment I failed to mention earlier is that with the MT 125 at idle the loader is practically useless. The RPMs must be up to use the loader. The RK25 is smooth/usable at idle! I’m up to my butt in tractors, I even have a couple of Hinomoto’s. At 76 I’ll let someone else worry about the hours at the auction I guess. Fun until it’s “over”. Thanks for the immediate reply. Stan

@kentandrews3474 3 года назад

Thanks again for the informational video. I have a trouble spot on my 1026R like you experienced with this loader, when you move the loader controls towards curling, while the loader has a load if I move the joystick normal or slow for fine adjustment there is a spot that floats. I have to move the controls fast to curl to miss this spot, but I’ve learned to compensate so I do not drop anything. My 2025R I don’t notice that. Also my 2025R does multiple functions easier, in my opinion. Again thank you for doing these informational videos I have people asking me about compact tractors al of the time, and I only have John Deere tractors.

@TractorTimewithTim 3 года назад

You can get a fix for the 1026r. Talk to your dealer.

@daves2960 3 года назад

I had the same "droopy bucket syndrome" with my 1026R when it was newer. Very dangerous when using forks! Found a DTAC number on GTT to show the dealer who then replaced SCV at no cost.

@TractorTimewithTim 3 года назад

Dave there is another commenter in this section who still has the issue..can you help him?

@jonathankerner2094 Год назад

Your "flat bucket" explanation for testing does make sense because if you are using forks and loading a flatbed then you will not be curled. Good work you two!

@robinwilson-sauls9891 3 года назад

I have a new 25-w/quick loader, and some of those found bugs worked out.

@garynewell8951 3 года назад

I’d be glad to have you test my NH 1320 it’s 25 years old and has 1300 hrs

@williamriley2528 3 года назад

That lil blue tractor's been worked hard and put away wet. ( Somebody else has already tore it up...)

@ddddsd20 3 года назад

Beat up like a rental, seems like a lot of money to spend on something just to destroy it.

@chickenman298 3 года назад

I'd like to see a TYM tested. I know same thing as a Mahindra but I don't think you've tested either unless I missed something

@theopautsch2311 3 года назад

Just an idea but would it be possible to do a separate test with the bucket curled where you feel you normally wood to get the figure to include as a reference point?

@4-LOW 3 года назад

Great video as always. I LOVE my Workmaster 40! #BlueTractor

@matthewroberts8742 3 года назад

My Yanmar SA424 will do just about anything you ask it. I use it to log my small farm and run my firewood business.

@garyfaulds2008 3 года назад

I think that NH had a hard life , an at 400 hrs shouldn't have that must play in the valve body like that , interesting to see from a brand new one the difference?? . Next time my friend has his NH out im going to look into that .

@dumper87 3 года назад

Yeah, looks like a rental that's been rode to hell and back. I have an LS MT122, same tractor, minus 3HP. The valve body on mine is tight, crisp, and responsive. The loader feels overpowered for the size and weight of the tractor, and the float position is very obvious.

@aramaic48 3 года назад

Thank you. I agree, that machine is beat to hell.

@The1025RChannel 3 года назад

Amazing that it will lift so much but I can't imagine that being good for the front axle.

@FirePantsFabrication 3 года назад

Looks like the control valve is missing it’s load check valve (or it doesn’t have one, but it should). The spool is opening the rod end of the cylinder to before the pump oil has overcome the pressure in the cylinder.

@chex313 3 года назад

That was the same as my 1026R's "Droopy" bucket syndrome , which they fixed under warranty.

@brim 2 года назад

Many good points; however the quality control issues should or could have been caught by the dealer.

@stuartgibson1896 3 года назад

Anyone know if there are cables to adjust for the loader valve? Seems to me that a few minutes of adjustment would fix at least all the slop in the controls. Tim, for safety sake have a “bucket” built to 1 pack weight on a 3 point and 2 hook to a loader to preform your weight test.

@jimfranklin8162 3 года назад

Tim, I have the curl problem with my 3046 Deere. Actually, I was on my forks with wife at the controls. While starting to let me down, the curl failed and dumped me a nearly full height. I think it has to do with tractor at idle. Not pushing enough oil. Maybe I’m wrong. Anyway, it was a long drop for a 58 year old over weight man.

@robsmith7681 3 года назад

@Tractor Time with Tim I just fixed my sloppy loader joystick problem. The ball ends that actually attach the joystick to the loader valve itself are probably loose. I just fixed mine this week, as I actually broke a ball end at 96hours on Monday. Your joystick looks exactly the same way mine did before I fixed it.

@robsmith7681 3 года назад

After watching the video, that’s the exact issue I was having before I broke the ball ends and fixed them. I have a video on my RU-vid showing how much tighter my joystick is now if you’d like to check it out. It’s like 19 seconds.

@davehudson4607 3 года назад

Hey Tim, could you do a similar test with a Kioti CK Series, like maybe the CK 3510, or CK 4010?

@ionhavoc2 3 года назад

that's impressive considering it's weight out past the pins and not counting the weight of the bucket

@danne77sthlm 3 года назад

It still surprises me how all these small looking loaders can still handle such weight, its pretty impressive, and yes, I think your way of testing the lift capacity is the more honest one I have seen Everybody can compare very easily with that But, I also wonder if that valve are defective, I have never seen a valve behave like that on such a new tractor, only in very old ones where I know the seals and valves are not good

@garywaterman814 2 года назад

I dont own a tractor yet but probably will be purchasing soon as we are moving from subdivision to horse property. I only anticipate light use so sub compact will most likely be what I get. I just wanted to comment that coming from having no tractor I am not overly concerned with lift capacity. The way I see it is if it can load, lift and move a wheelbarrow full or more of material I would otherwise have to do manually, I'll take it. lol

@TractorTimewithTim 2 года назад

Gary, please at least consider the 1025r. It is a much nicer machine than the NH 25s

@martinchampagne9245 3 года назад

I have the MT 125 and there are a few things that can be re engineered to make it better. As it stands I'll get another tractor when I get this one paid off. And yes that loader valve is a weakness for it.

@TractorTimewithTim 3 года назад

Appreciate the honest feedback. Most folks are fanboys of their machines no matter what.