@@kingbjorn1832 well he is an idiot who doesn’t know what he is talking about he never won a WSM never did anything isn’t even an a athlete just a fat guy who drinks beer yeah I think I’ll keep deadlifting
@@JoeyCentral LMAO Just because he didn't win WSM his advice is worthless? He's at least the second strongest Man in U.S and the strongest Man in West U.S. managed to reach the semifinals in 2017, wtf are you talking about. Stfu. You sound so butt hurt bc he told you the truth probably.
@@kingbjorn1832 nah he is stupid and doesn’t know what he is talking about. Deadlifting is king of testing strength. Robert is just a shitty deadlifter so he makes up bullshit to cope how bad he sucks at it. He never won a WSM and that is why I think he is just a fat guy that drinks beer. Meanwhile people like me train like athletes and want to get real strong. So we should do cleans instead? That is proof he has no clue what he is talking about. I am betting money I’m stronger than he is already and I’m 100% natty
@@JoeyCentral you do realize he’s talking about traditional deads right? There’s no reason to do em outside of oly and power lifting/ wsm. Bc like he said risk vs reward isn’t there. That’s why you see the huge influx in sumo deads, and even trap bar deads. Trap bar you can get all the benefits without any of the dangerous injuries that might be prone to traditional.
I pulled my back out doing dead lifts when I first started working out 4 years ago. My back is not the same. I have back problems every day. In my opinion. I would say don't go to heavy. Pick a comfortable weight. Theres nothing to prove. The after affect of messing your back up is no joke. Your back will never be the same
@@tj_calisthenic1919 green leafy foods make your bones stronger. Your bones are probably brital and weak so pulling that weight in other areas were ok but your spine couldn't handle it . you cant outtrain a bad diet
D R somebody was listening, yes the guy says “that’s Arnold’s show”. Meaning Arnold shwarstenaeger, i butchered the spelling but I’m sure he has copyrights on his show that would kill joe rogans podcast.
I say to people when I am at the gym stop looking in the mirror and saying how shit you look because there are always someone out there who will say that for you and want to bring you down with their comments. Well here you are with your people only wear singlets to show off, no one is stopping you wearing singlets or is it you are ashamed of yourself. So do swimmers wear their costumes to look good, you need to stop being jealous of what others are doing and go and do something for yourself.
@@flexinriffs9926 yeah the problem is when people see strongmen deadlifting more than 3x their bodyweight and think that the equation works backwards, so they're 200lb and think that they can deadlift 600lb.
I recommend watching The History Channel's, "The Strongest Man in History", with Robert, Brian Shaw, Eddie Hall and Nick Best. Chances are you've already seen it, but for anyone who hasn't, it's such a fun show and the guys have fun messing with each other. Very brotherly. Only one season but oh well.
@@MsAlimajeed well, if I recall correctly, it's more that Renly looked like Young Robert but chose to spend his time being a courtly prince playing dress up, reading poetry, and doing falconry, while Young Robert spent his time *being a warrior* ... All three Baratheon brothers were "slim" in their prime, but it's more like Renly was slim and effeminate, Stannis was slim and hungry, Young Robert was slim and ripped. Robert was a ferociously strong fighter; his warhammer didn't just kill Rhaegar at the Trident, it caved in the dude's whole breastplate... I very much doubt Renly could have even weilded Robert's hammer, let alone smash freakin' armor inside-out with it
@@shshdajajjsusuebw8902 Robert's net worth is only 400k ... He's fine, but not rich by any means. He's an athlete in an underrated sport with no money.
My low back is trashed. I stopped doing deadlifts with a straight bar 25 years ago. I recently started doing deadlifts with a hex bar. Lower weight, high reps. It makes my back feel great every time I do it.
595 competition deadlift in college. 181 & 198. Flash forward 48 years old… the ONLY injury I don;t have is low back. Heavy Good mornings & deadlifting were the best time I ever invested.
I've done bodybuilding and power lifting my entire life, one day I did deadlifts not even that heavy as usually I would go to about 500lbs, this time I had like half that weight. The following night I woke up with a disc in my nerve and muscle tissue, somehow my deadlift fucked my entire lower back and I didn't feel anything until hours later. I was brought to the hospital and couldn't walk for months, had to teach myself again. To this day, I can barely workout, barely walk, barely do anything.
Deads used to be my best life. I was early 20s and just warming up. Did 315 warming up . Picked it up and tweaked my back. I didn't rack the weights I just left cause I knew I'd get tight. 5 minute car ride home and I had to crawl out the car. Dead are the only thing that gave me injuries. I'm 36 now. I still do deads. But I'll go to chiropractor and stretch and get massages regularly. I do 225 easy. Sometimes 275. I don't need to do 500 for reps. Noones paying me to do it. Used to tweak my back once every year or two.
No again as he said there is a reason real athletes dont do them. They are super dangerous for the gains u get when u can get the same gains with other less risky weight training.
Thabestevah not dangerous at all properly done...much rather do a heavy DL than a heavy squat. Further there are countless real athletes that deadlift....I’m not talking about maxing.
@@33moneyball but why do it when u can do other things that don't put your back in jeopardy of you slip up on form slightly. I would never try to max deadlift bc i like my back too much and can do other things to work those muscle groups. Like he said it just seems like an unneccasary risk to take from a reward isk perspective
@@jaymiddleton1782 I just can't think of any natural reason you'd ever be in the Deadlift position, speaking from 10 years working in removals and demolition. Squating to lift something heavy is the way to go. And yes, I do have a curved spine, even in a neutral position my back is "cat like", unfortunately.
@@grubbybum3614 I beg to differ, anytime you pick up something heavy off the floor it's basically a deadlift. Like when I do manual labor and I have to pick up heavy or multiple bags of concrete or sand off the floor, that is basically a deadlift. If you were a farmer and had to pick up a heavy stone to remove it from your field, that would be a deadlift too, so I find it natural actually as long as you're not just doing super heavy weights or focusing too much on that exercise
Patricio Ansaldi lol wut? When you pick heavy shit up, you get under it, you don’t grab a bar, grabbing regular heavy stuff is way closer to just regular squat. Stop acting like you have any idea what you are talking about
I used to deadlift 425 for reps of 12; nice, slow, controlled form. Never had a day of back pain in my life. Strong core and glutes = injury free. Then some lady rear ended me with her car and now I’m fucked. Blows
@@animal0mother Joe never seems to question people he likes when they say something silly. The only logical explanation I can think of is that you'd have to inherently use less weight doing a power clean
What is to be gained by deadlifting? There's other things to build legs, rows and pulldowns build the back. I've never felt the need to deadlift in my life and I'm happy with my physique, don't feel it's lacking in any department.
It's kind of disheartening how there's so much conflicting advice in the realms of exercise and nutritional science; you could ask ten different experts and they would give you ten different lines of advice on what to eat and how best to work out. I know it's hard to come up with conclusive studies in those fields based on the nature of the problem but it'd be nice if there were some kind of authoritative source that you could look up and get a universally agreed upon answer to any health or fitness related question that you might have.
I think the best thing to do is to just try out a bunch of different techniques yourself and see which one gets you the best results and just take what all these so called experts say with a grain of salt
It's just about finding the right resources, and looking in the right places. Instagram nutritionists/coaches will generally always give you misinformation because they're just trying to sell a product. Dive into the research to verify what you learn. And always be suspicious of taking anecdotal evidence to heart - like advice that you shouldn't deadlift.
I admire these strong men and their abilities. I used to lift weights and wanted to get strong. I did get strong but only strong relative to the average man. This Gus and guys like him are true strong men! It is unbelievable the weight he can lift. This requires a genetic advantage but also a lot of work to get so strong. These giant strong men often seem to be really nice and polite. I guess when you can kick the crap out of an elephant you don’t need go around acting tough and dominant.
A lot of people who get hurt deadlifting try to lift near their one rep max. It’s insane how much progress I’ve made just by adding deadlifts to my workout routine. I spent a long time making sure I have proper form and I mean so far so good. 🤷🏼♂️ Exercise advice is all over the place
Idk man we only have 1 spine. If I can get those same benefits from other exercises then why risk it? Every guy Ive seen that has quit the gym has been because they either got lazy or injured their back deadlifting heavy.
@@Krystalmyth “I always recommend using a good belt. Of course its also great to not use a belt to strengthen your core but *I always make sure to use a belt to make sure my lower back doesn’t get injured* . A lot of people were surprised that *I never got any back problems in my whole career* . And I never have, never, ever any back problems. I believe its *because of the right technique* , deadlifting correctly.” - *Thor, current world record holder for the deadlift*
I tried deadlifting when I first started to lift and I never got comfortable with it. I stopped soon after and I've still managed to get pretty okay back gains while keeping my back healthy 👌🏼
The first time i smoked it i could see a million silver back gorrillas playing the saxophone on the walls... it was fuckin crazy man... jamie pull up that video about the coyote eating the woman's dog in burbank
i listened to this dude and have been feeling much better. was getting some bad hip pain from having to lower the bar slowly (downstairs neighbors). now i have a hex bar with bumper plates and it's so much better. instead of getting pain in my hips when i lower it slowly i just feel nice activation in the hamstrings. feels like it's working the muscles i want to build rather than just building up my spinal erectors and making me all stiff.
People, this man isn’t telling us to not do deadlifts. What he’s saying is that the risk factor is high, especially if you’re doing heavy weight. That’s why athletes like to stay away from it. To safely deadlift, always make sure your form is good, and only lift what you feel is comfortable/achievable with proper form.
Yeah, yet he claims that power cleans are somehow safer than a deadlift. With that sentence all his credibility went out of the window for me personally.
Dude ...... That was he was SAYING - "PROPER FORM IS REALLY HARD", THE RISK AND REWARD ISNT WORTH IT. So find a replacement to Deadlifts insted. Like Farm Walk that works.
@@dmitri2366 bro, what? hes one of the world strongest men who literally lift weights for a living, how does he lose credibility lmao..... to answer your comment power cleans are safer than deadlifts because deadlifts use both your back and legs at the same time, cleans should preserve your back angle while your knees extend. therefore less likely to cause injury to your lower back. and guess what, i know nothing of lifting weights, all it took was a quick google search, which is what you shouldve done before saying "With that sentence all his credibility went out of the window for me personally."
@@Alvah707 I dont think you understand what a power clean is. The problem with a quick Google search is that the information that you find might be incorrect. We are not only talking about the lower back but overall risk of injury. There is no way that a deadlift is mechanically safer than a power clean as it is basically a deadlift and front squat COMBINED. During the lift off you still roughly use the SAME movement pattern and muscles as during a deadlift. Not even to mention that you have to be explosive during a power clean and cannot pace yourself to focus on form like you can in the deadlift. And youre telling me there is some how more risk of injury in a much simpler movement? There are so many contradicting opinions in this industry and a lot of athletes just follow their coaches advice. Experts constantly disagree with eachother. So no disrespect to this individual but what he said simply is not correct.
I took time off from lifting and all through my 30s I injured myself trying to lift close to my athletic peak. Eventually I just started lifting with the bar and I started to feel amazing. I don’t even care what I lift anymore. I’ll just keep slowing adding weights and feel amazing. I wish someone taught me that when I was young.
I’m with you guys. I’ve been weak my whole life and started lifting two years ago and just started with the bar, slowing adding weight. Agreed… it’s not about how much weight you lift but how you lift it and the weight only goes up once you need more to stay on your desired rep range
@@DC-bx8ww I did progressive lifting didn't lift a bar alone from 1st day, deadlifted upto 350 lbs peak, but most of the time I lifted upto 270 lbs only, I am doing all that on a natural diet, not even supplements, never even put a strap on my waist, the key was to lift for fitness and not gains, it was always to get small burn and than thats all, the ones doing heavy lifting end up like Ronnie Coleman, it's stupid how PPL lift so much weight only to regret later in their lives, they're not even athletes on top of that.
I injured my lower back twice. Once lifting my father off the ground after he had fallen and the first time I ever did heavy deadlifts. This is what Robert is talking about. In both situations I didn't lift properly, in the first I didn't even have the strength to do it at all. I then began watching tutorials daily and checking back constantly to make sure I was performing the lift properly. Lifted for about four years after that, with the deadlift being one of my core strength building exercises. Never once had another issue again, because I was doing them correctly. Robert's advice shouldn't be "don't perform deadlifts.". It should be, "don't perform deadlifts if you're not serious about mastering correct form and performance of this exercise.". Granted, he is right, most people, like myself in the beginning, probably won't. But if one is going to learn to safely and properly do the deadlift, then it is actually quite bad advice to advise against "ever" doing it. It's a natural lifting movement that humans have been performing for millennia. It works several key muscle groups and can be great for building beast like power when lifting heavy and correctly.
I dont do squats or deadlifts tho. It takes only one repetition and even professional bodybuilders get injuries and back surgery even more than normal people. If youre not a pro bodybuilder then theres no point fing you back like that. since I stopped performing them I stopped haviong low back pains and feel much better. If you do gym for hyperthrophy then theres really no gain to it imo
@@ricardodelacrvz1400 It boosts your testosterone and stimulates the CNS to adapt and make you stronger, it can contribute to strength in your other lifts indirectly. It's a great foundational strength exercise. It's all about maintaining correct form.
You can do proper form for 30 days straight but all it takes is just 1 day you feel tired & you perform an improper rep & destroy your back. Way too dangerous
@@martinjohnson4796 So long as you contract your lats properly, push your chest out and drive through your heels you won't have a problem. Ironically if you're ensuring your form is correct you won't be able to lift it if you're tired and you let it go. A rounded back can actually enable you to lift a weight more easily but it's more dangerous. When I started deadlifting at 21 I went up to 230kg in a few weeks and my form on that 1RM was horrible. I look back and thank God I didn't do my back in but I was young I guess.
It's not worth it tho. Yea maybe it's a great workout but it doesn't matter how u much master ur technique, just one slip up and ur back is done for life.
The best weightlifting advice I’ve ever gotten, regardless of the specific exercises themselves, is to utilize good form, have a good coach, and control your ego.
Ik. This is such an uneducated thing for someone with his influence to say. Annoys tf outta me Bc 5 million people might have this mindset on one of the if not the most function exercise you can do
I enjoy dead-lifts because of the raw visceral feeling of lifting heavy weight from the floor, but after talking to my chiropractor about the long-term effects on the spine I am a bit more apprehensive. I now take a more thoughtful approach to lifting and have also incorporated some mat Pilates workouts which I highly recommend since it trains your body in ranges of motion we tend to neglect. You may laugh but your 65+ year old self will thank you one day. Also I'm also surprised no one brings up Ronnie Coleman and the toll heavy lifting did to his body. It's truly sad.
No need to laugh at recovering your body for the long term let ego go stop caring about what others think just do whats best for you stretching pilates and yoga will make your lifting better.
@@jayz6008 yeah but none of us are pushing the weight Ronnie is, he was moving heavy ass weight for years and that took a toll on him. I think we’re fine, unless you plan on being competition ready like Ronnie
@@StallionFernando Powerlifters and strongmen do have a higher body fat percentage than that of a bodybuilder, but dont mistake it for obesity, these dudes are strong as fuck, imagine how strong your core will have to be to pick 1000 pounds off the floor, they train solely for strength and probably capable of crushing your head with his bare hands 😂
Could it be that strongmen live and die by their deadlift?? Naw, it clearly has to be a bad movement, think nothing of the people talking trash about it
@@PVWNSVCR1F1C3 That makes sense. But there are times they don't because I think Jamie is very busy working behind the scenes making sure everything is working.
Does It Right Son yea but when they used to do that the visual aspect was much better. It’s almost like it needs a 2nd upload website so they can get around copyright bs as RU-vid sees it
Been doing deadlifts for a while and it’s been so beneficial to my back and core. Haven’t had any back pain since doing deadlifts regularly. But I started with really low weight till I got my technique proper, and slowly but surely worked my way up.
Same. I hate this appeal to authority bullshit "well hes a strongman so he knows what he's talking about" Meanwhile there are many thousands of people who regularly deadlift and whose lives are better for it
you can injure your spine with a tiny amount of weight lifted incorrectly for a split second. You don't know wtf you're talking about. @@ThievesInTheTreasureRoom
@@MaHan05 usually I don't have problems after deadlifting... Maybe it was just a bad day. Tbf the training was a bit longer than usual, on the deadlifts I didn't even go as heavy as I go most of the time. Maybe I did to much barbell rows along with it....
@@siberianTiger639 hopefully you didn't do the rows before deadlifts.. that would be stupid as hell. You don't want to exhaust your upper back muscles before you do deadlifts.
@@bez1196 I did. Just didn't think too much about it. I guess I won't do it again... Not because of the upper back though, the lower part is the problem.
Just reading these comments - just throwing it out there - how good is Joe at facilitating these interviews. He listens and allows the interviewee to actual tell their story
I used to frontsquat almost 2xbw beltless and deadlift over 2xbw beltless, my clean technique was aproved by coach as pretty good, until I injoured my back trying to catch powerclean lower than usual, at about paralel, since that my lower back discs are totaly unpredictable, sometimes I can deadlift or frontsquat but mostly warmup or lighter weights injoures my again, i cant stand longer than few minutes to immense pain, cant bend freely to put on shoes, cant do fast movements. Trying to catch powerclean low was my worst gym decision, never had such problems from any other exercise before
I think the problem to address here is that, based on your description, you were attempting to perform a power clean and due to either fatigue or too much weight, you compromised and did a full squat clean with the intent to perform a power clean. Your mind is intending to perform one motor pattern (power clean) and had to respond with a full clean. This, does expose you to risk of injury. Hope you have a speedy recover.
How are you doing now? Have you looked into Stuart McGill's work and rehabbing that way? The inconsistency and symptoms sounds like a classic disc injury where sometimes you are totally symptom-free and other times you were standing or sitting and get flared up. You may have to back off one load moving well 24/7, perfect spine hygiene, build up your core and then gradually reintroduce load.
Watch him on the Off The Ranch channel too. They're the ones that do all of his merchandise and he's featured on there quite a bit. Oberst is an awesome dude.
I used to have SEVERE back spasms. Then I started deadlifting 2-3x/wk, and I have zero back pain. The exercise saved my back and allows me to walk upright. Of course, I also don't lift 800 lbs.
Same. Deadlifting with correct form has really helped the lower back pain I've had for over a decade. I max at 130kg though - nothing like what would be considered a 'heavy' lift by most lifters
@Chris Seymour this guy is 6’7” 400+ pounds pretty sure the rock is never going to be bigger than him. And there is nothing soft about this absolute unit the rock is not even close. Abs and definition aren’t a sign of power or strength, their a sign of extreme dieting and dedication (also steroids in the rocks case). This guy would bear hug the rock and snap his spine like a twig
Yeah. Its unfortunate. Robert has always had great potential and his (especially pressing) strength is insane but he's always dropped the ball at competitions. I've always been a fan of his but he can't ever seem to bring it all together when it matters. And if you watch the podcast he just did with Brian he's stated that he's retired now.
The Russian strongman he talked about that was in the Russian special forces is Mikhail Shivlyakov. He's a beast, but also a gentle giant. He's known for both his friendliness and humility, and also bleeding out of his nose on super-heavy deadlifts.
I think I blocked this guy playing high school football in Santa Cruz. Edit: Yes, I definitely did. I was a center, he was a nose. He planted me in a puddle and I almost drown... I'm all good now.
He is correct, deadlifts for a majority of people aren't worth the risk because there is so much technique involved and if you're not competing in powerlifting there is so many other ways you can work your hamstrings and lower back without risking herniating a disc.
If you're more scared of herniating a disc than strengthening the correct muscles, ligaments, tendons and bones to prevent it, don't even bother getting out of your bed in the morning. Lift with good bracing, know your limits and you'll be fine.
Deadlifts are worth it; the benefits are huge. They're safe if you don't royally screw up your form and don't do them too often. There's fairly little technique involved. Brace correctly (sucking in air, flexing core muscles), load the traps with shoulders over the bar, pull with your posterior chain, and shoot your hips forward when the bar gets past the knees. If you don't pull more weight than you can handle and flex your glutes throughout the movement, your back will be fine. Supplement with back extensions as an accessory movement and you'll have a lower back that's healthier than the vast majority of people.
@@aarontuplin yeah, there is a risk to not deadlifting This advice is completely unfounded. Yeah he lifts a lot of heavy shit. He's also in the extreme side of the spectrum where lifting heavy shit all the time is what he does. There's a nice balance you need for overall health
As an international / national level powerlifter I can say that you can do deadlifts safely. As long as you are using proper technique and rarely maxing out. I train using weights 67%-80% of my max, training deadlift 3x/week and one 90% single a week for each lift.
For sure. Thats not what hes saying though. Of course some people are nailing it. Im pretty good at them. But the risk to reward isnt good for D1 and pro athletes. I can understand that when your body is worth millions
@Suffer No Fools maybe cuz Alex Jones is only interesting as a meme and isnt very popular other than that. I'm tired of people crying about how victimized they are
@@nathanbruce1992 totally agree, alex jones is a total fucking buffoon aswell. issue is is while yes everyone, even straight white males, want to be victims. everyone. if you can take away alex's platform, you can take away anybodys platform.
I have nothing in common with this dude and yet I enjoyed this little interview and think he's be pleasant to be around. Joe you've really mastered the interview format.
5 years of watching joe rogan, he finally found a bigfoot for his podcast edit: this comment has more likes then i have views on videos.. now thats sad as fuq
It is so great to see that these giants are such nice people. Robert seems so normal, down-to-earth.... just a nice guy who could turn you over in your pickup truck if you're messing with him.
Well TV is kinda dying now. If the people want to watch something, there's RU-vid , Netflix, the Cinema , the Internet...all you need is a phone in this world now
I used to hate deadlifts in high school, and every time I got back into working out, I avoided them thinking "they're of no use to me" or "nah I'm not built for deadlifts." Recently however, I got back into lifting 6 months ago and as of now, I do them 2-3 times a week. I do them with a hex/trap bar to prevent myself from rounding my lower back. Whereas regular barbell is difficult because of my longer torso. Without a hex bar, I wouldn't do them, period. They simply cause too much stress on my lower back, so I understand Robert's point of view. But if anyone is unsure about the harm deadlifts do, use a hex bar instead. It hits 85-90% of the muscles that the regular barbell hits and you still see the same back development.
The problem with the hex bar is it doesn't strengthen the low back as much. Better be sure to train your low back with a assistance exercise like back extensions.