The volante is definitely the most expensive in terms of RRP, but you can’t deny that the DL4 is the greenest pedal, at least in terms of the colour of the finish. To its credit though, the BOSS pedal has a hyphen in its name. These stark contrasts aside, I think we can agree that each device can be used to produce delay effects.
I am the ex senior engineer of Roland UK. Who didn't use the Space Echo? I have worked on units from Radiohead , Scorpions, Pulp, Hank Marvin, Zak Starkey...and many more since 1988. Hank Marvin started with WEM Copycat but moved on to the RE-501 and RE-301 sometimes in series (I owned his RE-301 a while back. I also worked as a contractor for Line 6 and love their products but Strymon are new to me but I dig the sound!
I only wanted to throw the money down for one (I already had a Oceans 12 for reverb/tremolo etc) So I got the Volante (based on AMC and other reviews). It just sounds gorgeous ...I am nowhere near exploring all its capabilities, but I an happy with the investment.
The Line 6 has SO much on it. For the money, it’s hard to beat for its versatility. I have all of those delays on my HX Stomp and I use them a lot. Pure sound quality though, the Volante is the cream of the crop and unbeaten (IMO).
For me this is a clear-cut victory for Volante...just has this 3D sound to it, compared to others. Well done Strymon and I am not an easy guy to be convinced :-)
Would love to see Anderson’s hook up a midi controller to send midi clock to pedals so the delays can be changed quickly and maintain the same BPM from one unit to the next.
I have a Volante and RE-202. One thing Pete said is something I totally noticed as well: the Volante is a big sounding delay that has a very Chorus-y type thing going on in the sound. I love both pedals, but I've been tending to fall on the side of the RE-202. I love the character of the pedal and it has a really cool sound in the repeats.
The Hall & Collins is equal, but also has Meazxi Echomatics, Vox Long Tom and others. The Volante, will not allow these head spacings, so a compromise is required for Shadows numbers. The Volante sounds excellent though. Also, lets not exclude the TVS3 🙂
@andertons Hank Marvin originally used a couple of meazzis and also had a binson baby, he used a re301 around 1977 then moved on to the re301 until around 1995.
All do their own things great…had a volante sounded great solo but sound as good in a mix…had a re-2 but didn’t cut as well also…have the dl4 while it can’t do what the other two excel at…it’s got it’s own sort of gritty lo-fi thing going for it that just moves me and inspires me All professional gear!
I think the DL4 is completely different than the other two. I would have it on my board along with a dedicated tape echo for the looper and swiss army capabilities, so it’s not really in competition in my mind. Also, I chose the RE-202, so can attest that it is great. It sounds amazing with distortion and has very intense amounts of wow; flutter; and also reverb.
I just went for the TC Electronic Flashback Triple Delay. Three delay engines, each with 12 delay types plus 4 Tone Print slots to save special settings, that can be combined either in serial or parallel mode! It's so inspiring!
While the Volante has a nice warm sound by itself (one guitar), I have concerns of how well it would cut through a live mix, competing with keys, bass, drums, rhythm guitar. I like the Space Echo.
If you turn the Rec Level up, it increases the gain since it’s like a preamp. It would definitely cut through a mix if dialed in high enough and the echo level turned up.
Can't wait for TPS's 90 minutes video on the same topic tomorrow :D Edit: I'm stupid, it was Wednesday so I meant to write "Friday" or "the day after tomorrow"
I have been obsessed with the space echo lately. I wonder if boss will do a firmware update in the future allowing stereo delay repeats. If so it would push the boss into the clear winner for me
Thank you. I much prefer a comparison that let the listener decide for him self rather tell him what he should think or which tool is the better tool. But... I also think that there is a fail in all of this comparisons, because the boss re 202 should be compered to the Strymon el Capistan and not to the Volante. The Volante is different animal with different features. The DL4 should be compered to the Strymon Timeline.
I love the capistan, what do you think of the 202 Vs cap? Is Volante worth more than a used timeline? It sounds a bit "digital" - 202 sounds more dirty.. but missing something
@@uelude Hi. I think that it is very much depends on what you aim for sound wise. if you wont the sound of dirty tape delay with "this sound of a tape machine delay" go with the El Capistan or the RE202. if you after more clean and precise delay that goes from almost digital but not digital if you know what I mean, to tape delay go with the Volante. the Timeline and DL4 has a little bit of everything and some other interesting delays. it is also depends if you gonna use it in studio and recording environment only, or live performing? if the answer is both and you can afford only 1 I would go with the Timeline. it has big advantages in live situations and no one will ever notice the differences between El Capistan RE202 and Volante and DL4 and Timeline when played live with full band. especially when played in mono. if you are going to use it in studio recording environment, in my opinion it goes between the El Capistan and RE202 and depends on your taste and what you aim for. and what style of music you play. the Volante as I mention before is a unique thing that does it own thing. if you got more then 1 overdrive you can have more then 1 delay, especially if you are collecting pedals for studio recordings. so to sum it up: for live : timeline. for studio recordings (depends on your budget and taste and what you aim for) : I recommend to get 1st the El Capistan or RE202 and if you got the money and need, get the Volante after.
Video suggestion: Lee & Pete: Could you talk a little bit about how you set up your victory amps? I bought myself a V40 and now I'm trying to find a video where you show some of the settings, but the amps are basically hidden most of the time.
WOW! ... just 3 great pedals ... each of 'em worth a try & buy ✅ The RE-202 is the most "old school"-appealing 🧔♀ the Strymon is "just a Strymon" ☑ and the new DL4 does it all 👍 Thanks a lot ... great comparison
Volante: tape echo and spring(stereo) are connected in series. RE-201and 202: tape echo and spring(mono) are connected in parallel. DL4 MkII: I don't know. RE-202 is an exact clone of RE-201.
Volante sounds so much better to me, just a bigger image even in mono, not to mention that killer stereo field. Boss sounds too thin, I'm really underwhelmed by what I've heard so far. I think the Volante sounds better than the DL4 on this particular algorithm but I think the DL4 is an incredible pedal considering the range of delay types and those reverbs
It blows me away how good these sound. But why do people still crap on digital, if so many of these big popular pedals today are digital? I get that digital amps don’t sound like an amp in a room or feel the same, but what’s the difference between using strymon pedals vs a Helix if you’re running into a Tube Amp? 4 cable method Helix lets you bypass a tube amps preamp section and use a DSP preamp model, into a tube power section, with a real cabinet and it sounds amazing. Turned my Marshall Origin Head into a Fender or Vox and tbh I think the 4 cable method Helix setup with a Tube Amp is the best tones I’ve ever gotten.
I have to disagree with the captain on this. The DL4 is the one I care the least about precisely because it does too many different things. I'd gladly spend more for either the Volante or the Space Echo. And I disagree with Pete in that while I could instantly tell when the DL4 got switched on, I absolutely did not prefer it because it sounded too clean
Actually only listened to it, couldn't see which was on, was funny how much less different they sounded once my eyes were taken out of the equation. They are different but not as much as your eyes think they are.
I love watching you guys and I know you’re not trying to pick brands but the strymon is way better sounding on a good TV with a sound bar you can hear the sounds way better the strymon blows them away
The Gear Gods are listening. My older Keeley delay Workstation just started acting funny. When ya' hit the second delay switch the volume lowers? Time to upgrade.
Listen to EVHs tone on the first album.Like Sir Pete was saying we try and get the tones from recordings. Listen to EVHs pre mix-down tones,all together different than the end tone.
An older big box Deluxe Memory Man with a touch of vibrato dialed in does better tape sounds than all of these, despite that it’s an analog delay. I had the Volante, it’s nice and full featured but lost out to my old DMM in the pure tone dept. The other two sound good, not great.
I have a late 70s DMM and I agree that there's magic in it for sure, but it can't do the multi-head thing, like if you wanted pick just heads 1 and 2 or whatever.
And then there’s practical application, where often stereo is not, really, what’s called for, as it’ll take up too much space in a mix, whether live or in the studio. But, of course, nice to have the option.
@@mmhcreates BOSS says the re-202 is "true stereo input and output", and they have a ton of cables there... Maybe the effects aren't stereo? Certainly the Strymon sounds "more stereo", if that's a thing.
This video by Dr. Mix might explain a bit of Strymon's magic. They are probably implementing notch filters and delays to increase the perceived separation: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iQo6Q5mT9fA.html
Can't speak for the DL4, but the RE-202 is a mono delay engine with a stereo reverb. The stereo in and out is for preservation of stereo effects pre and post the RE-202.
@@davedavem thank you for the information. Just based on what you and the video said, seems like the effect is mono. But 'true stereo' sounds like it should be a stereo effect. Otherwise, surely if the effect is mono, what we hear in both ears is also mono. I should just read up onit, instead of assuming.
I've got the Volante and I love it. No reason to swap at all. I do still want the Catalinbread Bel Epoch Deluxe to add to my collection. But the Volante would stay on the board because MIDI. It's all about the program change.
I can DIY a space echo. No way I could build myself a volante or dl4. But I hate the enclosure of the dl4. So I guess to me it's worth it in my eyes to not want to throw my board in the bin every time I look down.
DL4 is a different kind of beast but Boss has no excuse: Volante blows it out of the water. It has everything we love about good tape delay machines and RE-202 sounds bland in comparison.
Watkins copicat is my fav. Also tc nova is the best pedal but the space echo is distinguished in it's deliverance and has the most girth I think the dl4 sounds amazing ran through an Alesis quadraverbs or reverb the volatane meh I don't like Strymon really
Personally I really like the re-202 and the dl4 more than the volante, I have really been thinking about grabbing the boss and dl4 lately, I imagine I’ll have both soon
I was little bit expecting the UAFX delay to appear in this shootout. Im not big delay user and in no market, for any of these unit. But anytime I hear Volante is like, yes, thats awesome. And Boss is like, meh, just another delay. Was expecting more (esp, I like all the demos of old tape Space echo).
So, what's Pete saying? The Strymon doesn't sound like a tape echo, it sounds like the Platonic _ideal_ of a tape echo? Whereas the RE-202 sounds more like an actual RE-201? Slightly off-topic, but: For a while I had a Strymon El Capistan D'Tape. I bought it because of all the good reviews of how much capability it had in replicating the sound of an Echoplex across the range of sounds that Echoplexes make and because of how many of my heroes had used Echoplexes on so many of my favorite recordings and their enthusiasm for the sound of the device. And I wasn't disappointed. It sounded fantastic. I felt like I had stumbled onto some secret cheat where you could own an Echoplex without all the hassles of owning an Echoplex--price, maintenance, ease of use, adjustability. So, my fellow guitarists (or other instrumentalists who wish to use delay), if _you_ want to get the sound of an Echoplex without the expense and other drawbacks of owing an Echoplex, I personally can highly recommend the Strymon El Capistan D'Tape. It'll do the job for you brilliantly. But I sold the Strymon on and got myself an old t.c. electronic Nova Delay instead. I realized that I didn't need to own the world's most accurate simulation of an Echoplex in pedal form, I just needed a good-sounding delay that had a goodly amount of on-the-fly versatility. Which is just about the very definition of the Nova Delay.
I used to use an ep-3 religiously for years. My most favorite delays were my memory man and ep-3, i liked my dm-2 also. The elcap for me has a cool vibe but got washed out live. Sounded like a reverb pedal. In todays day in age id bet most players haven’t played a real tape echo. The “tape echo” settings on reproductions of most newer stuff are set to be way more colorful and cut the highs more than a tape echo really did.
The cheapest one has a looper as well. The Boss has other reverbs including a plate reverb which apparently is amazing but no one on YT has demonstrated it. The Strymon is simply great. They all have their appeal. The correct answer is probably to buy none of these and just get a multiFX
@@隠れた SMH, you would think now that statement is proven out of date but it has actually been incorrect long before the Quad Cortex and other modern MFX units. Just go look at the JHS video comparing the Digitech digital modelling pedals to the real thing and then realise Digitech used those same models in their MFX units but paired with better processors. Sure you could find examples in probably any MFX of some model that isn't amazing and the older you go the more you may find but the reality is for what they do well you wont tell them apart from the real thing in a mix and probably not isolated either in most cases and the value and convinience they provide are unmatched. You do realise that theLine 6 delay in this video is old digital modelling? Do you think Line6 use worse modelling in their newer top end MFX units? As the Captain and Pete said here, no one will be able to tell what delay pedal you are using live, they were all great and the modelling in a new Line 6 MFX unit is not worse than the modelling in this Line 6 delay pedal.
@@theauthenticsteve yikes didn’t have to type all that I know there is quality sounding multi fx that’s not the issue, how many multi fx can you run at once? How many can you control with the knobs and foot switches at once? Having separate analog/digital pedals for each purpose will always beat it in my opinion. Sure you can make a bunch of presets but you can’t sit there and dial in and add/remove effects on the fly live with multi fx - unless we are talking a simple reverb + delay unit
@@隠れた It depends on the MFX unit. They vary from being able to run once instance of each effect type right up to being able to pretty much do anything you want and double up or arange them in any position you wish and many of those units can be used with your favourite seperate pedals. I don't have anything against either and like both because there are some great pedals that are not modelled in MFX units. But the reality is an MFX unit can replace a lot of pedals on some rigs and all on other rigs and for your bread and butter effects it would probably make more sense for a lot of people to get a MFX unit. Keeping in mind you claimed "The correct answer is anything but multiFX". For many people the correct answer is MFX.
ive been wondering what the TC Electronics M100 Stereo multi-effects is like, given TC electronics have some good sounding pedals - the price suggests it wouldnt be great?? but for home studio use?
I love the stereo sound of the volante, but to give up the real estate on my board they have to eliminate two pedals. So, with the RE-202 having more reverb choices it can replace the reverb pedal and delay. The Volante only has the spring reverb and the 202 has 5 reverb choices including my favorite being plate.
I have a Collider but been wanting something a bit more wild. The Collider is great for preset basic stuff for me. But Space Echo and a few others are a bit more unique. Tape satiation and other things. But not having an effects loop on my amp, trying to find something that’s not too colorful or can’t turn it off. This and the new RE-202 are on my list to get more experimental. I already use Arturia version of Space Echo vst a lot in post production work. There’s a few stereo settings I could def set and leave. But live I’m all mono, recording post stereo effects.
I had that same bias at one point, but Strymon pedals are in fact a joy to play and use. They're a small company and all the sounds are designed by one guy.
Everyone seems to like the Volante most, but to me it sounds like a caricature of tape. Its over done. I do like the sound, but the Roland sounds the most like actual tape to me.
