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In monarchy time the Hungarian landless peasant had to present himself in the morning at the artistocrat's manor to be told what kind of toil is waiting for him on that day. In communism the aggricultural worker had to present himself in the morning at the office of the collective state farm to be told what kind of toil is waiting for him on that day. Most often that office was in the same building that used to be the Grof's manor before.
@@kucingcat8687 experience from the Hungarian village where I have a house. The old neighbours told me. I have also seen the former manor of the village, which was the administrative building of the collective farm (mezőgazdasági termelőszövetkezet). You can still see some rotten tractors and old communist inscriptions there. Recently the heirs of the former grof Táncsics were allowed to buy the manor back from the state (or they won it back in a lawsuit, don't know) and they had the idea of turning it into a rural hotel. But than they ran out of money, because the building was so worn down and now they want to sell it to some foreign investor. In the neighbouring village there is a agricultural machine station (gépállomás), another remnant of communist agriculture. There they kept and maintained the big machinery, like harvesters and stuff. The idea wasn't even so bad. Today it is private and any local farmer can rent a tractor with all the utilities there, so they don't have to buy one. If you want to buy your own tractor, you may also do that. No need to force people into one ideological model.
@@kucingcat8687 One of my neighbours has his own tractor and works his fields with that. The other two neighbours rent it from the machine station, they don't have their own. But all those three are not fulltime farmers, they do farming only as a sidejob. On of them is busdriver, the other works in some factory. The former state farms are now owned by private local companies or by foreign investors. What I see is that now again all the fields are planted, there are now big cattle farms, or they grow corn or rape-seed on many hectars. It seems that agriculture has finally recovered, after many years of rather bad times. Of course the structure is different now. Less little farmers, more big professional large farms. The big farms have their own machinery, often leased directly from producers (like John Deer, etc.). The machinery station only serves the remaining small farmers, of which most don't do it fulltime anymore. So in the long run, maybe the machine station will have to close down in the future, when more small farmers give up. I cannot really imagine their children to continue that work.
Luxuries I want: Better local bycicle infrastructure. A better durable computer for my future work and hobbies. Damn, those aren't even luxuries. One is public infrastucuture and other is a tool.
In the preface in the book (see my previous comment) there's: "When people ask me what it was like growing up behind the 'the Iron Curtain' in the 1970s and 80s most expect to hear tales of secret police, bread queues and other nasty manifestations of life in a one-party state. They are invariably disappointed when I tell them that the reality was quite different and that communist Hungary, far from being hell on earth, was in fact rather a good place to live."
It's funny that being someone from Bulgaria, even the biggest anti-communists will tell you the one good thing about communism was that you'd never go hungry. The breadlines shit is insane to me.
+even if they didn't it wouldn't matter + hungary was never socialist, it was a dictatorship of the proletariat for sure but they didn't have time to build socialism before revisionism took over
@@neuvotteluamme9194 Socialism in theory is a transitional period, so the fact it was a dictatorship does not exclude calling it socialism. This is of course the standard definition, people are free to adopt a different one. Although, I think that sticking to this basic difference is useful for the sake of discussion.
I met a Hungarian guy who took part in the 1956 uprising as a young man and then fled the country for the West. Later, in the 1970s and 1980s, he started going back to visit his sister, and said he recognized that he had made a mistake because Kadar had turned Hungary into a paradise. Edit: He also had an interesting story from the immediate post-war period, when he and his buddies, all just kids age 10-15, found an abandoned stock of grenades and blew up a toilet. They were caught by a few Soviet soldiers, and thought for sure they would be executed. But one of the officers just gave them a stern talking to and said 'don't do that again'. The soldiers also shared their rations with local kids.
@@rfb5206 Kadar was a revisionist of course but the Hungarian People's Republic was still one of the best places to live in the world. It's not as if revisionism just automatically turns a switch and turns a good thing into a bad thing. Hungarian socialism was going in a negative direction, but it wasn't gone and could still have been saved. Anyway I would rather live in Kadar-era Hungary than in the Hungary of the awful right-wing Orban regime that rules there today.
Video Idea: History of Poland Under PZPR Romania Under Gheorgiu-Dej & Ceaucescu Mongolia More About China and It’s Recent times. Yugoslavia under Tito Bulgaria Under Todor Zhivkov African Socialism Baathism (Arab Socialism). Etc.
Would love to see Finbol do a China series. That would be magnificent. And a Marxist-Leninist critique of Dengist revisionism is badly needed. There are too many people with starry-eyed illusions in present-day China, a state that now has more billionaires than the US and openly brags about it.
There is no Arab, Chinese, German or Russian socialism, there is only Marxist-Leninist socialism. And about Tito's Yugoslavia, they were revisionists, Tito beliefs included nationalism and they were working with USA.
Have you heard of the book called Goulash and Solidarity by Zsuzsanna Clark (née Feczkò). She was born in Hungary in 1968 and grew up during the period of so-called Goulash Communism.
"Only for racially pure Hungarians". Lol, genetically, they're practically indistinguishable from the surrounding Slavic populations. Or any other neighboring population.
Once I met this one hungarian teenager. That was completely brainwashed by his monarchist grandfathers. That horthy was not a fascist. That he was just a king. And that ONLY szalasi comitted attrocities when he couped against the "good" horthy. I was so angry at the absolute absurdity that someone would claim something like that.
The priests in my catholic school claimed that Lenin was the anti-christ and Stalin was Satan incarnate and that the Nazis were good guy because they at least tolerated christianity. No wonder some of my classmates support Nazism despite having a trip in Auschwitz
@@martinnemeth6909 They want us to be proud of our history, but for the most part we have done nothing but cause greater harm for ourselves and others. A research has been made sometime ago and it revealed that out of all the Nazi occupied nations, it was the Hungarians who gave up other Hungarians out of mere spite. So much for Hungarian brotherhood...
34:40 Post amazon wishlist? (lol but seriously, really great video. Laughed out-loud several times due to you pointing out the insane things in this text)
An excellent vidéo, especially afyer the serie on the HPR. ^^ On another note, i just joined the party and would be interested to translate from english to french your article on soviet environnemetalism under Stalin, for my local party gazette. Would that be alright with you ? If you so wishes, i can send you the result once the translation is done, as to ensure the form and the soul of the article aren't lost to translation. Cordially.
I have one question. What is your view on trotskyism? I read trotskyist websites. In the article they say that marxism-leninm Or stalinism has distorted communism. Trotskyist say that soviet union mao' china North Korea cuba Vietnam and east europe were not socialist but rather state Capitalist. They say that real socialism existed in early days of formation of soviet union. What is your say on this. Please explain. I am curious to know.
@@anshumanjaiswal5787 Trotskyism is a revisionist anti-Marxist and anti-Leninist theory. The Soviet Union only started building socialism in 1928. There definitely couldn't have been socialism in the USSR before that. The Soviet Union developed State Capitalism in the NEP which ended in 1928.
@@thefinnishbolshevik2404 is this why there isn't any mass trotskyist organization on the planet anywhere. Everywhere the mainstream communist parties follow stalinist/maoist tendency . There are indeed small scale trotskyist organization in many countries. But with combined membership of few thousands only. In latin America some trotskyist organization managed to gain few hundred thousand members. In contrast to this stalinist/maoist parties have successfully governed many states. Most of them have million strong membership. But trotskyist say that under stalinism/Maoism worked don't have any real power. They say that state bureaucracy has power . They blame stalinism for collapse of soviet union and eastern Europe. They blame Maoism for restoration of capitalism and private property in China Vietnam. What is your say on this?
Can anyone provide a high resolution jpeg or PDF of the "This is Tommorow" poster used in the thumbnail? I would love to screen print this on a t-shirt.
Hey, this isn't related to the topic of this video, but Ive seen you mention Tito/Yugoslavia & Titoism in some of your other videos, mostly negatively, so I'd like to hear your opinion on Socialist Yugoslavia
No offense but foreigners usually have a not true opinion about Hungary. For instance 100 years passed but they still think Hungary was prison of nations , oppressing, etc while the opposite was the truth, every other countries brutally oppressed minorities except for Hungary. (They say the same about Austria too.) It would be interesting if no jws would have left after 1945 because almost everybody in media, politics is jwish even after them. Rakosi was one of them. It was not democracy but not a dictatorship either. In fact maybe Horthy saved the most jws in history, and he killed even more at the same time. Hungary was not the last ally of Germany in fact (its also propaganda, even Hungarians believe it), it was Croatia or Slovakia, with really Naczi, very brutal regimes. Hungary was between the two side,in fact Horthy was pro-Allies, but only Germany helped the country. Hungary attacked only the SU (Horthy's stupid decision which killed ca. 600k Hungarians, althought Germany didnt force Hungary to do it). Hungary wanted switch sides but failed, and the people didnt like communists. Unlike Italy or Romania which could switch sides anytime according to their interest, Hungarians focused on moral values like not betraying their allies or hating communism.
You're clearly a fascist or believe fascist myths. Horthy wasn't as keen on the holocaust as Hitler was, but he participated in it. Hungary was a fascist country under Horthy but it had a facade of parliamentarism just like Finland did. Hungary clearly oppressed the minority nationalities, they were not equal with Hungarians. Claims like "Horthyism wasn't a dictatorship, Horthy's Hungary wasn't anti-semitic, Hungary didn't oppress other nationalities" are fascist and nationalist propaganda. I'm aware Horthy wanted to switch sides when it became clear Germany was losing the war. Many other countries did the same, Finland also did that. Horthy clearly didn't care about "not betraying their allies" because he made a treaty of "eternal friendship" with Yugoslavia and betrayed it immediately, and also betrayed Germany.
Horthy wasn't fascist! He was a conservative, he banned fascist parties and organizations as well as the communist ones because they were a threat to Hungary and the Hungarian society (The Everybody hated the lenin boys and the red terror in 1919) A lot of Hungarians like him to this day. In fact he wasn't anti-semitic (when the germans occupied Hungary in 1944 he stopped the deportations.) Hungary had a lot of jewish singers, Writers, Musicians, who didn't have problem with the regime. And yes Hungary was a democracy even if less than 30% of the people could vote but in the Austro-Hungarian monarchy this number was even less! (In the communist regime you couldn't even vote) And yes Hungary was very "racist" aganist its neighburs that was because they opressed and sometimes KILLED the Hungarian minorities in their own homeland (Transylvania, Backa, The upper lands) Those people Who got these territories mostly migrated into Hungary in the 1700s. So yes Trianon was unfair. More than 3 000 000 Hungarians ended up in another country. Horthy wasn't the perfect leader but he done everything that he could and he loved his nation (After hearing the failed revolution of 1956 he fell into apathy and died not long after that) unlike Mátyás Rákosi who was the most hated communist dictator of Hungary (He had jewish origin) ironic isn't it? And Horthy didn't needed a Secret police to control the population :D. In fact everybody hated so much the new "democratic" communist regime that in 1956 there was a revolution aganist it. People got beaten day by day by the secret police, Most of the population was poorer than in the Horthy era. You couldn't even slay your pig for food if you were a farmer because of the state. I know because my ancestors Lived in those regimes. After the revolution Kádár got the power he was really harsh in the early years but after that he improved the living conditions of the people but he indebted the country in return.
