It's not a win in my book, the "apology" is just the classic "I'm sorry i didn't get away with it this time". I am baffled with the amount of people accepting it as a win...
He did get away with it though. He cashed in on some people paying the 250$, now hes cashing in on other people paying the 50$ upgrade to finally giving EOD acess and still having cashed in on a bunch of people.
@Sniperdaddy420 russian based but headquarters is in UK. The uk has consumer protection agencies who can levee lawsuits. They have a window to remediate and that's what we are seeing now
Ofc why wouldn't he? Way too many players would have bought such packages if they give them an advantage. We are all saying pay2win no one wants this, yet a skin in cod that is broken and too dark was bought millions of times. Just as an example. Milk milk milk. Mobile games style
This studio has, on numerous occasions, engaged in incredibly anti-consumer practices. Back around 2018 for example, they flat out refused to refund the game for players with zero in-game playtime when they couldn't even launch the game properly, due to the game not working on certain hardware configurations. If your average gamer grew a backbone and boycotted these studios as they should, these business practices would disappear within a year.
Hes trying to have the mindset of an average Eastern European owner/developer in a game with a big western audience. If Tarkov had an overwhelmingly majority Russian/Eastern European audience I bet this shit would've just flown under the radar and the playerbase would've just accepted it they're used to shit like this.
@@saschaberger3212 Nobody wants P2W to exist, but if it does exist then anyone serious about competition has to engage in the practice or else they lose to those who did
Who made you RU-vid's resident psychologist? It was a mistake, and you'd be hard-pressed to prove otherwise. Unless you can prove in court that he had the mens rea, then your argument is worthless.
"This is NOT DLC. I will now tell you exactly what I believe a DLC is..." *proceeds to describe exactly what this update is, confirming its status as DLC*
Exactly, the single player mode is a major addition. He should have said DLC are small additions, like cosmetics. (he'd still be wrong, but at least with his "definition" he'd be accurate)
According to me, If you have to purchase the base game to play the DLC then it is a DLC, if not, then it's a standalone thing..but i can already see some grubby developer twisting this and naming their new releases as a seperate thing instead of calling DLC, maybe there should be a comprehensive definition of DLC
@@kanavkohli794 there is. iTS CALLED DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT. thats literally what DLC stands for. its its a part of a game. thats not in the base game. its DLC.
@@DeputyFishok but what if the content doesn’t need to be downloaded? Server side updates can introduce new features without requiring a download. You’re just writing out the acronym, not explaining it.
As an EOD owner, I e-mailed one of the 3 law firms that are sueing Battlestate Games for defrauding & false advertisement. Looking forward to the results.
@@justinhough3169I believe they are only in the collecting evidence phase and are waiting 30 days since that'd remove a lot of excuses the devs can make, and then bonus points if the devs dig themselves an even deeper hole and do stuff such as changing the terms on their website which is evidence this whole situation is intentional
To be fair here. IF the PVE is truely a seperate entity, aka no interaction between the 2 modes (normal tarkov PVPVE, and PVE-CO-OP). Nikita can actually get away with this. Look their two seperate games, you just get early access to the new "Game"/mode/not dlc. Still scummy, but would be doable. But he would have to market them as such and well, i think that ship has already sailed by now.
I'm reminded of an episode of Rocko's Modern Life, they are driving up the road and see all these advertisements for a ski resort that "everything is $5" and they get there and pay the entry fee and get inside to find out that "every THING is $5"
I remember once when I was an edgy teenager I said something a teacher didnt like, so I had to go see the principal, who told me I had to apologize. So I went back to the teacher and said "Im sorry i have to apologize to you" and got detention. 10/10 totally worth it. This man is about as mature as I was when I was 14, but with less sense of humor.
The future DLC will probably have 2 versions. A basic version and a full version. Both will be sold but they will 100% push the full version. They’ll give the basic version to EOD holders and say “you got the DLC, you want more and it will be an upgrade charge!” While also pushing the more expensive full version everywhere.
“I’m sorry you guys are experiencing these feelings” is the exact same as when that job you hated told you “I’m sorry you feel that way” right before you quit. Though it won’t happen, imagine the change they’d implement and offer if even just 25% of their player base completely quit the game and didn’t play it at all in 2024.
It's only streamers and cheaters. Idk why people keep giving this game more money. He actively encourages rmt and cheating. The main revenue stream of BSG is people buying new accounts to cheat. The game has been confirmed to have cheaters in about 80% of maps. It's disgusting.
@@yournamethere123 just saying it takes creativity to fail so spectacular and uniquely isn’t that its own accomplishment lol 😂 and I’m not an AmErIICAN SO RRY
Fandom: “This is a new game mode” Nik: “That is correct” F: “we have to pay for it and download it” N: “That’s right” F: “DLC means it’s content we have to download after the game released and we have to pay extra for” N: “That makes sense to me!” F: “So this new game mode is DLC!” N: “It’s not DLC”
Honestly surprised they didn't try to pull off some mental gymnastics by claiming the game is still in beta, and the definition of DLC is extra content released after the game released, so it being released whilst still in beta, and not after the full release, means it isn't DLC. I was expecting them to try and pull some BS like that. I have 0 faith in this company now and will actively avoid anything they make going forward.
2:34 "This is like trying to argue that a poop is not a shit." I've just found my new favourite Charlie quote. Literally my exact thoughts on this whole situation; bravo!
To clarify, EOD was $175-150 after upgrading. Unheard was an additional $150 for EOD owners not $250. Now it's 70% and it's $50 upgrade even tho you'll get it free.
I love how they specify the PvE mode is entirely separate on an entirely different server infrastructure yet someone has already found an exploit allowing you to take loot from PvE and sell it on flea in PvP meaning Nikita outright lied about it being separate. Can't trust a word out of his mouth fr.
I'm not sure how tarkov is structured so I may be wrong, but plenty of enterprise setups will have different "servers" but use the same database for convenience reasons.
@@invention64what you mentioned. It can be 2 different servers, yet same structure, so you can pass local changes from PvE mode as if they were made on PvP client. So they may be not outright lying, just laughably bad at development (intentional package switching is cybersequrity 101 and in this particular case should be easily avoidable).
What a poorly worded statement. You can tell he didn’t run that one by his own lawyers first. I hope he pays big time financially for this false advertising.
@@lanabobana3311 So someone apologizing for hurting your feelings after you make it clear to them is wrong? Guess it depends on what you confront them for. Like if you confront someone about denying the holocaust, then yeah... "I'm sorry that you feel that way." is an awful response. But if someone accidentally hurt your feelings and you confront them about THAT, then that response would be perfectly fine, empathetic even.
@@Ss4Goten There's obvious nuances and context to take into consideration with that, and you're honestly just twisting it, someone apologizing for hurting your feelings and someone saying "sorry you feel that way about it" are two different things, ones more likely to be genuine, and ones a slap in the face.
@@Ss4Goten No, saying I'm sorry you feel that way is essentially just saying "Sorry you're a little baby and got your feelings hurt over nothing" The correct way to be empathetic in a situation like that is to take responsibility, even if it was an accident, and say "I'm sorry -I- made you feel that way." It's very nuanced but it's the difference between putting the blame entirely on the other person and almost making it seem like they're annoying you for sharing their dumb feelings with you that they shouldn't have or taking responsibility for your accident
It's what my narcissistic (genuine napd) abusive step dad used to say *all the time* with an arrogant tone as well lol, it makes my skin crawl and tells me enough about a person
It's not as inappropriate as many people think, but it very much is a way to not apologize to someone. It's basically a polite way to tell people you have no intention of apologizing to them, but many people seem to lump it in with gaslighting (it can theoretically be used to gaslight someone, but you really can feel sorry that someone feels a certain way without being incredibly rude). Heck, I still think "I'm sorry" in response to hearing about a tragedy that happened to you is a bit offensive since a friend apologizing for something they didn't do doesn't help solve any problems, but most people seem to disagree with me.
@@Ilivedbih grammatically, it's reasonable, and in some contexts, can actually be evidence of good character. You hit the nail on the head there: it's all about tone and context. I had similar parents and it's interesting how the exact same words can count as either real love or blatant emotional abuse depending on the context and tone. It caused me a lot of trauma since it's effectively my parents saying "I'm not willing to validate your feelings" (my parents sometimes think that validating opinions is the same as agreeing with them, which is very toxic to conflate the two for what I still hope are incredibly obvious reasons).
I don't see what the big deal is with that statement (independently of the whole Tarkov situation). "I'm sorry you feel this way" is a perfectly fine apology. This is why one should never apologise, because someone will twist that and say it's not enough. I see this over and over again, people apologising and everyone not accepting it. Then what's the point? Don't apologize and just acknowledge instead. "X was a mistake" and that's it, but never say you're sorry, because people will attack you for it. As for Tarkov... I don't do multiplayer games and I'd be insane to pay 250 USD for it.
Nikita bein like "nooo its just content that you downloaded that have to pay to access, not content you pay for then have access to download! Its totally different i swear!"
but you dont download anything, you just unlock the feature, that is the thing, as soon as you buy the edition nothing but the Edition title updates to "Unheard Edition" and its unlocked, it was a 60mb update when the patch came out with the armor rework and the addition of the two new items and background, its literally already on everyones pc regardless of version
This was my tjought too. He could have totally got around it by making a separate game. To be fair to blizzard though they didn't charge $250 for overwatch 2.
This was absolutely insane. People paid $150 for an alpha to hope for a full release and all the dlc that comes with it. Now in beta, they release Arena and PvE instead of pushing for 1.0. I hope other studios saw what happened and the backlash the devs received.
Anyone who actually thinks that the game is going to get a full, complete release is hard coping. And I'm not just saying that because of this drama either. The game has been in early access for over 7 years now and still lacks basic functionality, QOL, bugfixes, and on and on. To say nothing of all the missing features that were talked about in roadmaps and the like.
Those blue name guys are also impervious to rounds a lot of times too, I cannot explain the losses I’ve had to them today and last night. I might just stop playing for a while.
I like how Arrowhead made fun of this. 'True Believers can grab the CM-21 Trench Paramedic for only 250 SC, featuring increased pocket size and extra stims! (Not available for free to Super Citizens.)"
I honestly think that the false advertising could create a mass lawsuit. I don't even play Tarkov but man that's fucked up. Vote with your wallets guys.
The way I see it is this: Let's say you open up a Savings Account with a bank that promises you 10% interest per year. you Put $250 into that account, hoping to recieve 25 bucks next year, and so on, under the stipulation that you can't get the original $250 itself back. so you're only receiving the interest so long as you leave that $250 alone, but you hope that after enough time, the interest itself pays back what you spent for it. But then your bank tells you they won't actually give you this year's interest payment unless you pay, say, an additional 10 bucks or so, which instead of an additional investment, they label it as some sort of Fee to justify it. So technically, you only got $15 profit that year on your investment, And the amount of money you put in is *more* than you originally planned to. See how terrible that sounds? Now replace that interest with the Content you receive for the game, and/or the intended enjoyment you would receive from it. you get less enjoyment overall from the simple fact you had to pay more than you intended for it, *even if you technically still received the original interest payment.*
Yeah, but Train Sim is a highly-specialized, niche product. People who enjoy it are ready to pay for it since there are almost no alternatives. Same thing with The Sims - no existing competition.
@@notsteve5927 I mean, if we are going that route, then sorry to say but extraction shooters and shooters in general are also fairly niche and almost no variable competition inside each category. There are sub genres inside FPS and each game inside their subgenre tends to look and play like every other, it's what makes us even categorize them together. Extraction shooters, military simulators and tactical shooters tend to have one or two games at most. But, most importantly, when a game in that sub genre gets away with increasing monetization, the rest follow suit. My point being, if we are to follow that it's acceptable to pay more in one instance, it will inevitably end up becoming the new model for all.
Train simulator is also a feature complete game that's not still in "early access", beta testing. The main problem isn't the price, it's the blatant p2w features on top of a buggy, broken game that, while fun sometimes, is completely mired by being unfinished and unpolished. Instead of fixing the audio or netcode and monetizing the game through cosmetics, bsg decided it would be best to fuck the playerbase over
Nikita giving off BIG sociopath energy by somehow finding a way to take no responsibility for his decisions and hitting his community with a big "I'm sorry you feel that way."
He has showed you who he is. Anyone who trusts him after all this is pretty much asking to get shafted. Abandon this con and play something else; something that isn’t giving off this dealing out the back of his van with a beretta stuffed in his pants vibe.
EXACTLY - this is what I've been saying everywhere. It's not an apology. It's like you slap someone, and instead of apologizing for laying hands on them you say "I'm sorry that you're upset about being slapped."
Reminds me of that time Bethesda came up with the "Creation Club" (paid mods) and when everyone called them out on it, Pete Hines came out and said that "They weren't paid mods, they're mini-DLC". So when the people reminded him that they promised that all DLC would be included in the Season Pass he just went radio silent 😂
And I haven't heard from the ketchup man since. Then again whenever I hear Toddy boy speak my brain automatically scrubs his existence from my mind. Bethesda's been dead to me for years. I just expect negative quality from them at this point. Nothing they do will fix it.
@@MorfsPrower i really don't know why people are excited by the prospect of an elder scrolls 6. have they even SEEN how bad recent bethesda releases are?
Prioritized matchmaking is like me having to buy a quick que pass at an amusement park but instead just to play a game on top of the price you already paid to play
This is such a classic. Controversial person doubles down, finds out it's negatively affecting their career, then Hard 180 degree backtracks with an "apology".
i feel people are completely overlooking the fact that they often set prices through the roof or promise things. and then look like good guys when they 'fix' the problem to be more reasonable after generating some news/drama. there 'fix' is just to adjust things to what they originally planned. sell item for 60 dollars? naw double it and sell it 50% off. its a sale, businesses do this all the time in the physical world
At the end of the day, this man isn't scamming random people, he's scamming his own supporters and community that put him and his game on the map to even make money in the first place. I was considering picking it up but that turned into a complete 0% chance now. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, plain and simple.
You were considering buying a game made by a random guy? Your video game collection must be full of niche, hipster titles. You're trying too hard to give people the impression that you're a nonconformist.
@@jeshegames I feel like I might have seen a RU-vid ad a while back when it was first coming out, maybe a trailer? Not entirely sure, but you're right they're shooting their only supporters in the back.
@@Zenigundam What the hell is this comment? Garry's Mod was made by a random guy and that game is absolutely huge. Same with Minecraft, one random dude.
@@Michael-dj6pd If they sell to a market, then they have to abide by the local laws for sale to that country. So if they sell their game in the EU it needs to abide by EU laws for those sales.
I don't even follow Tarkov (not my type of game) so I legit thought Charlie was talking about some in-game currency to purchase this DLC when he said "250 clams". But when he said it again as "250 dollars" I was floored. That's full price for 4 games plus tax. What kind of unchecked greed could make anyone think that's a good idea?
I’m so happy that you are coving this! If you do happen to make a third video on this and happen to read my comment there are two things I think you should point out that are important the first one being that in the unheard edition you are able to “call in for backup” from your friends list. So people can literally have there friends SPAWN in the MIDDLE of a raid! It’s an extraction shooter and I think that’s just game breaking. The second point is that a lot of hackers on EFT have come out and actually have been targeting the Unheard users. Last night I just saw a hacker live-streaming on TikTok going after people who bought the unheard edition and people who play the game were supporting the hacker for doing this . Again thank you for putting a massive spotlight on this issue and just being a great guy. Hopefully you make another video and point these two things out because I think it would show just how, one broken and unfair the unheard edition is and how mad people really are about it.
and this is why games continue to fail , we have fake gamers spending money and dumb stuff like this. in my eyes supporting this behavior means you’re not really a gamer tbh
@@SorrowsPeace naw man your assumption on what a "gamer" is wrong . we dont even know because "gamers" have been everything, from nerds to athletes and all types of walks of life
@@SorrowsPeace"If you buy things like this youre not a gamer" so damn corny and just wrong. Things like these ridiculous prices are silly but saying people arent gamers for spending their money is a bit silly.
@@SorrowsPeace Saying they're not real gamers is kind of goofy, but they're definitely mentally fragmented lol. 1. spending that much money for a DLC that barely adds anything is nuts and 2. most of them are pretentious douchebags saying "Hurrrr stop complaining and get some money"
@@Dutchman451 as i said, it was disastrous. the game grew too big for its own good and they just couldnt manage it properly. but the biggest issue was their insistence on completely unfair p2w mechanics and massive grinds needed to unlock anything. it was obvious they saw nothing wrong with the concept of locking stronger weapons, more armor and better ingame skills behind a paywall.
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The craziest part of this to me is you cant buy EoD version anymore so theres a set amount of accounts that have the version, so the fact theyre trying to not give the dlc's to the season pass-like edition is insane because theres a pimited amount of those accounts now
Nah they haven’t done that, although knowing BSG it’ll happen lol. What’s happening is some cheats allow cheaters to see if people have purchased the unheard edition and they’re purposefully hunting them 😭
Thank you for covering this, Charlie. The sad thing is that they probably were aware of the incoming backlash and they did it anyway. I refuse to believe the ignorance they’re obviously trying to hide behind.
Theres a reason that a lot of developers will specify how many / what DLC are included in an upgrade pack. Like saying "the GOTY version gets you the base game and the 4 major planned DLC". Then anything other than the 4 DLC will obviously be separate.
@@-psilo-9071 Nope, if someone punches you in the face once, and you think "he wont punch me again" as you go near him without your hands up and you get punched in the face. You hella deserved that right hook. and no one said what he did wasnt wrong, did you just blew in from stupid town?
@@-psilo-9071lets just say Logan Paul makes another crypto project and SOMEONE WHO WAS SCAMMED FROM CRYPTOZOO (not just anyone) goes in again and get scammed again. yes Logan Paul is still the evil one here but at some point….you know….they kinda seen it coming
the thing is, the company itself is shitty but the product, the game is unique. there is no other game like tarkov. the firearms are insanely well detailled. the ballistics, the mechanic. this game is truly a gem... I can't escape from tarkov.
If anything, a PvE mode would be LESS intensive since they don't have to pay to keep their servers up for online play. It's supposed to be CHEAPER and they're charging $150 for it?! The main game is already full-priced! And wth, why planning for DLC when the game is still in EARLY ACCESS?! Just pure greed.
The thing about anything he promises that says "when the game releases" is that escape from tarkov has been in beta for 8+ years so we really don't know if it will ever be "released"
nikita said it himself. "you can keep a game in beta state for atleast 5 years to justify bad mechanics and malfunctions." source: /watch?v=aGauDp2cYNQ
Nah, tbh i dont anybody is capable of beating the "pay a dollar every time you want to reload your gun" concept, cause that shit is literally straight out of meme EA slander, and that guy seriously wanted it to be a reality
ESO pulled the same thing since subscribers were supposed to get all DLC free so they started calling new major DLC "chapters" and claimed they were not DLC so subs had to pay for them
@@rimanahbvee This is definitely an older thing. You get everything for ESO+ a year late, around that time you can buy the deluxe collection separately for like $25.
I want to point out that people have theorized for years Streamers have priority matching or even Special lobbies where loot is more plentiful, so them coming and saying they're gonna ACTUALLY HAVE PRIORITY MATCHING pretty much confirms that they have the capability to do such things if they haven't already.
This is why a lot of games become bad or fall off after they get popular. After a little success devs start seeing only dollar signs instead of actually improving the game.
The game actually has had ton of improvements lately. They decided to be snakey and try to cash in on the momentum of those QOL updates. People are not that stupid lol
@@dreamwireless8513 they could have gotten away with a 150$ price tag if they made it so EoD people still got it for free and didnt try to find a loophole. People are stupid but they freak out a lot more once they finally realize they've been manipulated.
more like overly ambitious devs realize their project's goals are way out of the scope of what modern technology can do, Streets of Tarkov runs like ass if you don't have the newest best CPU.
The only thing with taking out the pay to win thing is there isn’t cosmetic items really in tarkov so other than just removing it which they should idk what there’s going to change it to
The insane pricing model currently used by the games industry makes people forget that $150 for a pre-alpha game 7 years ago was astronomically high. $250 is just ludicrous.
I can't even remember when even that was acceptable. Even in recent years, people seemed to only tolerate retail release price for early access games. I didn't even want to pay $60 for early access BG3 just because it was early access, and it ended up being one of the hottest games of the year so I'd have gotten my money's worth.
Umm, is it? We've had numerous instances of excessive greed and I haven't seen a real change in the industry. They just keep trying and see what they can come up with next. And the worst part is, they just get fired from one company and go to work to another to make other stupid decisions. Riccitiello for example went from EA (tried to make people pay to reload guns) to Unity (tried to make developers pay for each installation of their games) and he's still a board member of a few gaming related organizations (e.g. ESRB). The real problem is this: "problematic" people like Riccitiello keep holding positions of power in the industry
it feels like every update that they release about this situation makes the game seem like less of a game and more of a minecraft server from 2010 being ran on a game, except they actually used to ban most of the people that were hacking on their servers
I think I remember Destiny 1 or 2 doing something similar. Like they released a version or a pack that supposedly included all upcoming DLCs, but then released a different version or expansion pack which was not included
Its similar to war thunders high tier premium vehicles (you buy those so you can grind more easly (it still takes a shit ton of time to grind) ) and if you want to get a premium for a ground, air or helicopter tree for a certain nation (there are) you have to fork over 50 euro for the helicopters and 70 euro for the jets and tanks, charging triple A pricing for a single item in game that helps you grind out 1/10 nations and 1/5 of the stuff that nation has to offer is insane
