STW #16: Vader in the WWF

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On this episode: What really happened when Vader had a falling out with WCW during the Monday Night War and then promptly signed with the WWF to be a top star? Why did Vader have such an underwhelming tenure at the WWF? Bruce and Conrad pull back the curtain and tell you what really happened!
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@TheSilentBattle 6 лет назад

Growing up as a young, impressionable lad in the early 90's, I have early memories of two menacing entrances: The Undertaker in WWF and Big Van Vader in WCW. It's pretty much the only thing I remember from WCW at that time, but the creepy mastadon headpiece with smoke blowing out had a big impact on lil me. As I grew to appreciate wrestling for more than a spectacle, I came to appreciate his in-ring work as one of the best big men ever to lace up the boots along side Bam Bam Bigelow. RIP Leon White. Thanks for the memories.

@daveoliphant2889 4 года назад

I saw Vader Vs taker on a UK tour

@michaelfrazia4569 3 года назад

awesome tribute brother

@briangarrett3668 2 года назад

Really was praying they could of brought that mastodon helmet to WWE. still one of the all time best entrances/attire ever

@lookitskazzy 6 лет назад

10:41 to skip the shilling

@vinson311 5 лет назад

Papa bless 🙌

@dougripley861 6 лет назад

Had to listen to this again today. RIP Vader.

@billyray5232 6 лет назад

I have been a Wrestling fan since 1983, and I was always strictly WWF fan, and it stayed that way for years until one single Wrestler caught my eye...Big Van Vader. He was the reason I not only started watching WCW, but became a fan of the promotion itself. His feuds and angles with Sting and Cactus Jack were awesome, and his match with Ric Flair is easily in my top ten best Ric Flair matches of all time. I even remember a Dream match of mine while Vader was still with WCW was Vader vs Undertaker, and we actually got to see that match when he Joined the WWF, even though he wasn't in his prime (I believe he was having shoulder issues) we still got amazing matches from Vader in the WWF, just watch Him vs Shawn Michaels...and I also was a huge fan of him and Mankind as a tag team. And it goes without saying that his work in Japan, WCW, and the WWE has rightfully earneda him a spot (and sooner than later) in the Hall of Fame. So.......IT'S TIME....IT'S TIME...IT'S TIME FOR LEON...TO REST IN PEACE.

@melbias5046 4 года назад

is that the one flair said he had to kick leons ass lol.

@markfinch6794 4 года назад

“You guys are hitting him in the head with fucking hammers” I love this episode

@MikeyP1983 11 месяцев назад

Erm as you do!🤣🤣

@eddie9244 6 лет назад

RIP Vader!!! havent heard this episode yet , gonna listen right now , RIP Vader!!!

@Appleanche5 6 лет назад

2:13:50 "You're hitting him in the head with fucking hammers, making him wear eye patches, throwing coffee in the other eye" dead

@gregoryhoyle3739 3 года назад

It was that Vader vs Michaels match that made me hate Shawn Michaels.

@antoniusjohnson3824 6 лет назад

RIP Vader, arguably the greatest big man in wrestling history.

@russelloviatt9665 3 года назад

Leon has always been a legend to me since I read about his career in Japan when I was a teenager. It was neat to finally see him in the wcw and wwf on tv

@JoeyMartz 6 лет назад

RIP Leon. You were a class act who did it all.. Power and agility. Always put on a good show for fans.

@dianneEdangerously 4 года назад

I LOVED Vader as a kid I mean LOVED. However looking back on the facts... he drank himself into embarrassing situations (like a lot of the guys did but we are speaking about Vader) His hygiene was very bad apparently He was SUPER aggressive beyond the needs of the business He got himself involved in violent situations (like kuawait) Vader didn't seem to get along with a lot of people in the locker room..or he was "hard to deal with"? ..it seems to me like this man had severe depression. JUST LIKE MANY OTHER WRESTLERS...i'd rather nit name names, I'm sure a million come to mind; we just couldn't help him in time. VADER SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME. REST IN PEACE

@masediggity 6 лет назад

He said how many kids know what a Mastodon is?? That was hilarious to me for some reason. Anyone else crack up there??

@stevenkunzer9027 5 лет назад

Mason Johnson yeah a little bit lol

@mrwednesdaynight 4 года назад

I had to look it up when I was a kid. The more you know.

@Obironnkenobi 4 года назад

2:35:18 - Why in gods name did you skip over the part where Paul Bearer put on Vader's mask and ran around the ring yelling "IT'S PAUL BEARER TIME!" ? The man even stood on the turnbuckle in the corner and did the Vader sign with both his hands. It was an amazing moment.

@michaelpitt57 2 года назад

That was hilarious🤣

@7deadlypins 3 года назад

Doubt anyone reads these things, but bruce gives the best answer as to why Shawn did what he did when he yelled at vader. I feel like conrad jumped on bruce about something that bruce answered perfectly. I don't know if conrad is doing that because he thinks the fans want him to. I just feel that Bruce was explaining what happened and why. I think people sometimes don't realize what its like to manage things, or to manage sports in general. Its a fucking mess and it isn;t always as cut and dry as the fans think it should be.

@gregharper6382 3 года назад

Agreed!! I also just think Conrad loves to Hate HBK like many others do because they hear all these bad stories and like to act like these things happened to them personally

@jimjim292 6 лет назад

RIP Leon White.

@totalgimmickwrestling-news71 3 года назад

RIP Leon White

@luv2eatpuss79 6 лет назад

Man, this was depressing. Vader was a monster in Japan and WCW . They treated him like shit. Another career ruined by WWE

@ChrisHonowayOFFICIAL 6 лет назад

I bet this was a big reason why Sting never went in his prime. But if I were Sting i would have went in 94 95 or 96 because when Hogan came the pushed him to the side and made him U.S or tag champ

@rainman11985 6 лет назад

You have to wonder about Sting's political abilities or even just his force of will because he let himself get pushed aside a few times in WCW. When Hogan came in Sting was at times competing for the TV title for God's sake. His Crow character also got pushed aside in 1998 despite being the 2nd hottest wrestler in the business for the whole of 1997 (2nd only to Stone Cold Steve Austin).

@ChrisHonowayOFFICIAL 6 лет назад

I think maybe Sting didn't mind because he always said that WCW paid him good, and maybe it would be too weird seeing him on a Raw just like it was really weird seeing Bret on Nitro, kinda like when we saw Joe Montana on the Kanas City Cheifs.

@choch72 6 лет назад

Vader certainly wasnt innocent. He clearly stopped working out and alienated himself from the locker room. Both parties are ro blame and that's how life is sometimes.

@fuzzydunlop7928 5 лет назад

@@choch72 Truth. Often both parties have a part to play - also often one party might not even realize they'd done anything to get in the doghouse. I think part of it is like when DDP came to the WWF - he was bigshit in WCW and figured it'd translate and he'd come in a top guy - that's not often how Vince works. Vince didn't 'click' with that until maybe Jericho's debut against the Rock, and even then he didn't get the best of him in that promo iirc. Usually, the WCW guys spending some time in ECW were scooped up for the top-spots because of its unofficial status as a developmental territory. Mick Foley, for instance, transitioned from ECW to WWF and even THEN took up a new gimmick for a while before reprising the Cactus Jack persona that was semi-bigshit in WCW and elsewhere.

@NicolasBowling 6 лет назад

Great episode, as always!

@villainnetwork2479 6 лет назад

RIP Vader

@NICARETTI 6 лет назад

Conrad is such a fucking mark like really the biggest fan of all time in this prestigious seat

@33malone 6 лет назад

Weird that this was the next episode in my playlist so soon after his passing. RIP Leon White. Its Vader Time in the sky!!

@henryocean5714 3 года назад

28:20 Tons and tons of kids would've known what a Mastodon was due to Power Rangers. For those who are unfamiliar, they all had robotic dinosaurs they rode in and the Black Power Ranger had a black Mastodon and it kicked ass.

@gregharper6382 3 года назад

Ahhh yes a man of the culture!👏👏👏

@joshuaoneill3118 3 года назад

Beat me to it!

@gregharper6382 3 года назад

Definitely a video of Rico yelling “Jeff hurry up G*d Dammit!” On RU-vid! So yes it absolutely happens all the damn time!!

@tommyhallum3020 5 лет назад

God damn pal he's a MASTODON!!

@PowerPackers90 5 лет назад

You guys do know that Power Rangers aired in 93 and the black ranger's robot was a mastodon. So kids in 95 would know what it was.

@joekoniski1729 4 года назад

PowerPackers90 Thank you.

@Rschr101 3 года назад

Except nobody gave a shit about the Black Ranger, he didnt draw and was mid card talent at best. The Red Ranger was white hot until the Green Ranger came in to a massive pop and ran roughshod over the territory.

@joelmalone7922 3 года назад

The Power Rangers show god awful, complete garbage. I remember my seven year old self thinking it was horrible even then. TMNT kicks it's lame ass mercilessly.

@joelmalone7922 3 года назад

*was. My mistake

@JoeCool-fb7uf 11 месяцев назад

Wow, “PowerPacker” is a helluva name. Wow …just wow.

@chrisauble556 6 лет назад

45 minutes into the interview had me almost pissing on myself funny funny shit. Thanks Bruce

@gibbynj3002 6 лет назад

I was crying laughing in this one during the Vince Russo segment.

@pjomayo 6 лет назад

Big Van Vader was also the inspiration for the videogame character Raiden/Big Bear from the Fatal Fury games.

@mickeytrue2658 5 лет назад

Vader in WCW and Japan was the man and I think at the time we expected the same thing in WWF but I don’t think he was the same guy anymore. Maybe should have been booked better but I guess now we know that couldn’t be the case. Too much working against him politically as well as his own “letting himself go” issues. A true what could have been scenario.

@noeljr.7724 6 лет назад

I had to come listen to this after recent events. When I was young I was a HBK mark and I was happy that he was riding high in the WWF during this time. I remember the debut promos for Vader and being terrified that this monster was going to dethrone my favourite. I was happy when he got eliminated from the rumble and then suspended on RAW the next night. SummerSlam 1996 was the first PPV that I ever watched live. They were on from 12-3am in Ireland in those days and I was just 11 years old. I rooted for Shawn. I was happy to take the countout victory, I was happy to take the DQ victory and was very happy to take the final pinfall victory. Looking back now I'd love to go back and slap myself. Vader did deserve a run with the WWF title but listening to the factors involved here, I can't say it was entirely down to booking or even Shawn's attitude. A tag title run with Mankind might have been nice. Who knows? Anyway, there we have it. RIP Leon White.

@noeljr.7724 4 года назад

@Ze TheGame Vader wasn't just hired. He was there since January. Granted there was a long term plan to get Shawn to the top but they did always have the plan for Vader to be the one to take the title off him albeit a bit later at Survivor Series. They opted to go with Sid instead. By your logic that people should have a long run after Mania then what about Austin or Benoit?

@stoneosborne9247 6 лет назад

I loved Vader so much as a kid. My dad was a 6'4 fat guy from Alabama, so I liked all of the giant fat wrestlers haha

@donnyx7860 6 лет назад

Your dad is Conrad??

@Super122291 4 года назад

Donny X oh my gosh

@seanbarton4940 4 года назад

My cousin and I went to a house show at the Gund Arena. Sometime afterwards when we were on our way home, my aunt ran into Blackman and Shamrock having a sit down meal at a Wendy’s in middle of nowhere Rootstown Ohio. We went to the show, she got autographs at home.

@KingofClassy Год назад

"How many kids knew what a Masatdon was?" Connie, in 1995, EVERY kid knew what a Mastadon was thanks to the Power Rangers

@Xagura 6 лет назад

One of my favorite monster heels. RIP Big Man Vader.

@TruckerJenkins82 5 лет назад

Opinions pal

@travish6427 Год назад

The WWF's mishandling of Vader is borderline criminal in my opinion.

@QoQabai658 5 лет назад

It's time.... It's time.... It's Vader TIME!!!!!

@PSUDarius2032 3 года назад

Many kids of the of the 90's knew what a mastadon was because of Mighty Morphing Power Rangers....

@zenoftupac9096 4 года назад

I’m surprised the WWF didn’t bring in “Special Delivery” Jones at some point to beat Vader after Kuwait. Did also notice that the WWF used a clip of Vader attacking the reporter in his Jumbotron intro.

@delbertprince5302 3 года назад

Rest In Peace Vader

@JackG79 4 года назад

Omfg... when conrad said "for 100 grand u can beat this fucking guy with a hammer" inwas legit laughing so hard i was crying.

@gojirajenkins8528 Год назад

That MacMahon payoff joke Conrad made was real hahah 4 years later now

@CPlovesGS Год назад

I remember listening to vadars music in the gym and just getting jacked up enough to put me in a zone to lift hard and heavy with few reps.

@rustykuntz94 2 года назад

Schivane said Vader was always "ON". Always in character and was scary to be around cause when Leon was working he could throw shit at the annouce table, grab a commentator or who knows what

@clayp7284 5 лет назад

One of the Greats of Professional Wrestilng

@jiggiesosa6832 2 года назад

Conrad such a lil baby he always says cool when he is wrong

@Bubba__Sawyer 3 года назад

2:31:30 I don't understand why Bruce was so against the way Vader cut the "fat piece of shit" promo. I don't see how the "I trained hard for this" "look at me I'm so big" changed the meaning/intent of what he was saying. If anything, it added to it. It gave the promo a very real feel. It seems even back then that WWE micro-managed things too much at times. Watch any post-fight press conference from a UFC event and the loser will almost always say how they trained so hard for the fight and how disappointed they were in their performance. Vader made the promo much better with the parts he ad-libbed, and Bruce is an idiot for not being able to see that.

@robertfullchim923 3 года назад

Vader looked really upset when he hurt Shamrock in FMW.

@grmreaper1414 6 лет назад

RIP To one of the best super heavyweights in history! He is in heaven right now screaming, ITS VADER TIME lol. RIP VADER!

@markmack2746 2 года назад

The Montreal screw job was a work. Think we don't know Prichard?

@shawnmckahan165 5 лет назад

Leon White a.k.a. Big Van Vader was a great big man.

@jrdoo7x 6 лет назад

i heard from vader himself in a interview that he hurt his shoulder and it never healed right.

@WrestlingNZHazardis 6 лет назад

_Its Time, Its Time_ *V A D E R TIME*

@dnice2000 10 месяцев назад

They basically forced Vader into these injuries with terrible booking and allowing him in dangerous positions, then force him to lose massive amounts of weight in a short period of time then blame it on him when he has health issues because of it...... smh

@Newarksfinest05 3 года назад

1:36:21 lmao Mr Mac Man 😂

@priimovalentiino1640 4 года назад

Where's bam bam bigalow?!

@Dredsed 3 года назад

I hate the fact they didn't put him in the hof before he died, be wanted to go in while he was alive. It would've been awesome to see him as wwf champ but sadl he was a little past his peak.

@hotwatermanifesto4180 6 лет назад

WWE and the Simpsons. More educational than Public School!

@BckDrBOYES 5 лет назад

Think it became a vicious circle. Vader stopped giving a shit, WWF stopped giving a shit, so on and so on.

@dnice2000 10 месяцев назад

Bruce: complains Vader is always hurt.... Also Bruce: putting Vader in matches that'll get him hurt because....."they paid alot of money"

@codycampbell6257 5 лет назад

Bruce your terry funk is spot on , always laugh when you speak the funker!!!

@guardianofthebeast1014 3 года назад

Conrad, did you just say to the world that Rick flair is the goat and hbk is number 2? Hogan is number 1 , stop it

@imnotsuperstitiousbutiamal4186 3 года назад

Maybe it has to do with the fact that Flair is his father in law. For real.

@morganjacob1195 3 года назад

I loved watching big bad Van VADER. One of my favorites. Rip

@mox19380 3 года назад

every time...the the southpark mickey mouse cornette impression cracks me up

@michaelfrazia4569 3 года назад

it seemed like there was a few years where anything Vader did was pre planned as pure entertainment for the office.

@ashleyswim3009 2 года назад

"Did he pull that rascal out or what?"

@austinryan9382 6 лет назад

Vader was all time great heal .

@wballz03 3 года назад

I’m pretty sure the Vader/Owen Slammy waiter incident was at the 97 slammys not 96.

@neilsun2521 6 лет назад

2:53:08 "antidotes" *anecdotes.

@giangarcia3364 5 лет назад

rasslin'

@mrrvc6950 6 лет назад

Rip Vader

@fuzzydunlop7928 5 лет назад

Bam Bam I think edges out Vader, but I think Vader is more recognizable and perhaps was booked stronger at more favorable times - if that makes any sense whatsoever. I still think the best "big guy" moonsault goes to the headhunters. Go look up videos on youtube, they're just picture perfect. Normally big guys can pull it off but not have it be picture-perfect. Bam Bam couldn't, Vader couldn't. The Headhunters were LARGE though not Vader or Bam Bam big, but seeing them do those graceful moonsaults is just a physics-defying mental image.

@JoeyMartz 5 лет назад

Vader never headlined a wrestlemania.... BBB headlined #11. Enough said.

@theman6705 4 года назад

Joseph D. Martínez Bruh Bam Bam list to a damn professional football player who was a non wrestler😂😂 I rather be in the undercard facing Backlund or something. Vader was wcw world champ and has beaten taker, sting, Foley, flair and has battled Kane, flair and other legends. Vader>Bam Bam

@filimonlopez3668 5 лет назад

If you had no ads you would have over million people subscribing easy.

@bobbyseay4935 5 лет назад

Then how would they get paid?

@daocvet 2 года назад

My all time fav wrestlers, the top three will always be Dusty Rhodes, Sid, Vader in that order. There is a bunch of others, like Meng, but those three are my favorite(only reason why Meng isn't is because of the promos). I hated what became of him when he went to WWF/WWE, every wrestling fan should see a pattern, there are a lot of great wrestlers that died(career) because of going to WWE.

@ultimog3739 5 лет назад

Vader beat Undertaker at Royal Rumble 97

@baalberith5389 5 лет назад

McMahon destroyed Vader. He was a monster and they feed him to people and then buried him over and over.

@fjccommish 6 лет назад

Who was Pulldog?

@jaserogers997 5 лет назад

"Misterrr Macmaaayn"

@FranzFerdinand76 5 лет назад

"old lover boy Leon was getting a little handsey"

@tarheelspeighty9645 3 года назад

Kane was booked how they should have booked Vader. A monster heel. Theu completely ruined him. So glad I saw him live right after he got there and was still pushed heavy.

@gregharper6382 3 года назад

1:34:06 Kuwait interview!

@rosharma7443 6 лет назад

Vader was a badass in my 10 year old mind.

@PunkRockPainting 6 лет назад

Agree

@choch72 6 лет назад

Vader was terrifying.

@tylerxxyz8621 6 лет назад

If Rikishi is in HOF, Vader sure as hell should be! WTF has Rikishi done?

@jrdoo7x 6 лет назад

he was part o the tag team the head shrinkers aka the somoan swat team. he was really popular in the attitude era

@jurassicdangerousdinosaurj2424 6 лет назад

Bella Banana he did it for the rock?

@handsomelee9568 6 лет назад

Rikishi was over and unlike Vader Rikishi actually held titles in WWE

@ianwebb8066 6 лет назад

Wronie L.K. yeah but it's not only what they did in WWE that's judged

@joycethe5-951 6 лет назад

Sting never held a title in WWE....he's a HOF'er. Vader was a former world champion before coming to WWE. He should've already been in the HOF

@ASHUTOSH-im6pp 6 лет назад

Ric is #1 and Shawn is #2? Neither are 1 or 2.

@JoeyMartz 2 года назад

Bret Hart is #1.

@freighttrainsahpassing9790 5 лет назад

Noone was safe from an Owen Hart Rib lol !!!

@JackG79 4 года назад

"Home run ideas" ..... omfg

@dachronicalalittlebitofeve6630 2 года назад

Thank god we got Austin instead of hhh, imagine if hhh had got his push so early…. Stone cold may never have happened

@Cuddyscott84 4 года назад

U can see in some of the matches shawn was rude 2 Jose. I don't remember the exact matches I'm referring so maybe I shouldn't even say anything but it's 2 late I've said it cuz I seen it & eventually I'll remember the matches I'm talking about. I do remember Jose getting tossed into the steps or shoved & bumping into shawn like getting in his way. Shawn wasn't very nice in his words. But I still wanted 2 grow up 2 be like HBK

@aaronwhalen6433 5 лет назад

Shawn is not number 2. In ring maybe. Not but overall.

@suitedandbooted363 5 лет назад

Aaron Whalen agree Steve Austin is number 2 in my opinion behind Flair

@Rschr101 3 года назад

His promos were boring and his poor attitude overshadows how good he was at flipping and flopping around the ring.

@daveoliphant2889 4 года назад

It's time it's time it's Vader time. I went watching wcw in Birmingham uk main event bulldog Vs Vader for the strap. Stood at ringside with hair beaded and bulldog t-shirt and bulldog sign. Vader looked at me said who's the man. I said u because I wasn't arguing with him.

@stingrey1571 5 лет назад

bam bam bigelow is the greatest big man ever. he changed what we expect from a tall/fat wrestlers. if it wasnt for bam bam, we wouldnt have samoa joe, luke harper, taker etc.

@JoeyMartz 5 лет назад

Harper and taker? Please explain how BBB and those two relate? Thx -J

@dachronicalalittlebitofeve6630 2 года назад

Early Vader was scary, I actually feared for sting back then, thought he’s going to get hurt. That’s what makes wrestling real, we get a while of meh blah yada…. Then someone new comes along who isn’t playing the game, he’s doing it for real, same as Goldberg, that’s what gets in our heads, wrestling is fake but this guy is real….

@mcwhorter141mcwhorter8 4 года назад

Vader should've legit kicked the shit out of HBK .

@derekfisher8571 3 года назад

Bam Bam was a better big man than Vader for the record. Bam Bam was a better worker overall.

@travismcdonald6576 6 лет назад

WWF buried Vader. It’s as simple as that. He was a former WCW star and Shawn Michaels bitch ass didn’t like him. Vader never stood a chance.

@mran3902 6 лет назад

Ya fuck Michaels

@jamiesutherland1497 4 года назад

STWW. Dear Mr Pritchard. Its called speaking the "Queens english" We haven't had a king since the 1940's.

@rainman11985 6 лет назад

When I was a kid I couldn't take Vader seriously. He was a fat guy in every sense, he even had the facial features of a fat guy. His name and even his mask was goofy. Now I can recognize how athletic he was, although Bruce is right that he was past his best in the WWF. I also never liked elements of his working style. His punches especially. They looked like he was throwing 50% strength arm punches and hitting with his wrists rather than his fists, his punches probably hurt like hell but looked like shit. If I was a promoter I'd be interested in Vader but I'd tell him he has to change his style and if he's not willing to change then I'm not interested. Bam Bam Bigelow would get my vote as best 350+ worker.

@r3d3y3si 6 лет назад

rainman11985 vader in Japan was better than bam bam. wwf vader wasn't allowed to work the same way.

@amys1885 5 лет назад

true

@Stevehug83 5 лет назад

Only bam bam and earthquake were better big men than Vader. One man gang is pretty close. He worked really stiff and frequently hurt other wrestlers but was still a great worker despite that. He was a scary heel and perfect to work against the top faces

@Milos2804 4 года назад

To me it was Yokozuna

@patron7906 5 лет назад

Owen was such a great prankster. I remember this one story where he got a ride from a show from a fan of all people to save on money. Well during the trip he hid a loaded 22 and some crack under the passenger side seat. After he got the ride, he went to the nearest payphone and immediately reported the car stolen and tipped the cops off to the loaded gun and drugs! HAHA! Word is that fan is still in jail to this day, he got like 30 years... I guess they might be getting out soon? Lol! That guy knew how to rib, THAT is for sure