@@rickj1983 ya i did not do the beat at that attempt the run up was not ideal.. but the snow was too hifh i had to move it out the way. And the hill is fairly steel but hard to see in the video
I noticed that as well. The Subaru did it all by itself - cleared the snow and got around in it. The Volvo needed the Subaru's trail as well as got stuck once trying to do the "lap" around that the created.
When they roll backwards slowly after an attempt- ah, that sweet crunchiness...But back to reality, this is not a versus video, cmon now. The snow is too deep for either vehicle considering the grade. But it looked like everyone was having a lot of fun.
2004 Volvo owner here. The Subaru definitely has a much superior AWD setup. The Haldex system on the Volvo is for snow and bad weather not for any serious off-roading.
Thing is that car good in offroad is great in the snow too. Haldex is the worst and cheapest awd system around and its used in many cars because it never works until you slip so it technicly saves fuel making your car act like front wheel drive 99% of the time. Thats why so many european manufacturers used it. To clout like they have an AWD system but one that wont really do all that much while they keep low fuel economy ratings. Haldex gets incredibly fragile and unreliable as it ages too to a point it might not even turn on at all as the clutchpack is shredded and doesnt bind anymore and thats from normal use too.
The only issue to concern about on the 3.0R (EZ30) is the timing chain cases can leak oil. It's a cheap fix, but it takes hours to do. That is all, not much to worry about all things considered, like you said no head gasket issues or timing belt issues to worry about! Great motor, very very reliable and long-lasting. It "recommends" premium fuel, but does not require it.
I have had to use my 2005 Outback to get my 2013 outback out of jams when it gets stuck. The 2005 was way better in the snow. And when in doubt my 2002 Audi A6 could push both of them out (unless it got too deep, as the Audi has no clearance, but is still a beast).
my outback does very well in the snow with Blizzaks; But to be fair, any car I drive in the snow with good tires grabs better in fresh snow than trying to grab onto someone else's previously compacted snow tracks...
Everyone's boasting about how much better the Subaru is in snow and that may be true but in reality the Volvo is more than capable of getting you home in bad conditions. I like both cars but I'd choose the Volvo because when it isn't snowing (most of the year where I live) the comfort and refinement of the Volvo trumps that of the Subaru.
All being equal they are both great safe cars. Never drove a Volvo, 4th Subaru I now own, maybe If I try a Volvo I would like that also. Both equal as far as I am concerned.
I can without a doubt say my 2010 legacy sedan with Blizzak ws70’s is light years better than my 2014 double cab Tacoma with Hankook ipike rw11 with studs. Superior tires, lower center of gravity, more even weight distribution. The power transfer helps and the traction control makes drifting under 40mph more or less impossible unless I Scandinavian flick it hard. As long as ground clearance isn’t an issue it’s no contest.
The most aggressive driver usually does the best in these situations. That's why my Volvo XC90 has often beaten Subarus in this kind of situation, in the Colorado mountains-- because I was the most aggressive driver.
I've owned an XC90 and the Haldex AWD is more of a gimmick. You need constant AWD to get the real benefit out of it. Ofc this comes with a lower MPG, but if you really need AWD get a decent system.
Exactly. Most european manufacturers use it because its cheap way to pretend like they offer real AWD systems while subarus system is pure 4WD like on old rally cars. Even automatic subarus have permanent AWD system. Haldex either works long after you slip or doesnt toggle at all especially in an older car because of how fragile and unreliable the clutchpack is. In Subaru you get both traction and handling benefits as front wheels are always offloaded of half of the power delivery work in most cases especially on tarmac and wet. Making it for very nice and predictable steering with hint of oversteer on wet, sand and snow. While Volvo is just understeer 24/7 as its a glorified FWD car.
only way to make sure you have an apples with apples contest is to have the same snow tires on both cars; my bet is still with the Subaru-- I have not had to plow my 500 foot; steep, s-curve driveway all winter with my eighth subaru legacy; we just had a 16 inch snowfall followed a few days later with 10 inches.
@@kiskiller3 , One thing is a set of tires at 7/32nds and the other at 12/32nds, the second is Hakkapeliita or Blizzak vs chinese tires... Anyways, Outback cleared most of the path before Volvo could get there....
I would say they are about the same. However if that was a T6 model XC70 the Volvo would be way better than that Subaru. Plus the cold weather probably blew around 50% of the engine seals in that Subaru and it will leak fluid all over the place.
@@WarHammer1911A1 2.5 EJ? Why the hell you didnt use turbo model's MLS headgaskets? It wouldve sorted the problem forever. Or ideally never buy naturally aspirated SOHC 2.5L EJ motor one. If you had one then replace the gasket using one from WRX STi/Outback XT and it will never fail again. OEM headgasket for NA motor is incredibly cheap graphite coated singke layer gasket. The coating gets blown off in just 80-120k km and it starts to seep coolant internally. Other motor Subaru made and especially newer FB series motors dont have such issues at all.
Some xc70 and xc90 will self destruct it the tires are to different or has uneven wear. Norwegian car journalist has talked about this several times. Volvo awd systems can be very fragile. I believe it was a know issue on some models before 2014.
They're great until the head gasket blows and you find out the valves are all leaking at around 25% :p That being said, I still really want to fix it...
thomas womack it was amazing in the snow, and it was impossible to kill. I went like 8k miles without an oil change because I couldn't afford oil, and it still ran great. I went off roading and ripped out a coolant line, drive home without coolant, and tapped a copper house plumbing pipe in place of that coolant line. The thing couldn't die
megakiller999 While I've seen (And done.) my fair share of HG's over the years with Subie's I will never stop driving them, too much fun and way too dependable, they also make the perfect utility vehicle, my father tows a small trailer with his 2000 Outback L Sedan and is often times hauling up to 600+Lbs of tools in the trunk minus the trailer. Aside from the lifter adjustments and the occassional HG replacement all my family's Subie's including my own have been top notch in the dependability department and they're easy as hell to work on. I can rip a 2.2 or 2.5 out in about an hour and have it on an engine stand ready to tear down. Can't really say that about any other car these days. They also offer THE best performance in the snow of any other 4WD or AWD I've been in. Hell, we go around in the snow with a tow strap to pull out trucks, vans and SUV's from ditches if that says anything. We also routinely go off-road with them. That being said, I'm also a sucker for Volvo's and Saab's (One of these days, I'll find a decent Saabaru.), I just purchsed a 1997 AWD XC70 Turbo that needs some work, it matches my '97 Legacy, but Volvo's definitely require more maintenance especially with their VC AWD systems which my XC70 uses. I would rather have to do a medium repair every 100,000 miles (HD, maybe. But definitely timing belt, water pump, pulleys, tensioners, etc.) than have something go wrong every 10,000 miles like most other cars.
Shao Yu Mai Wang But compared to the issues Volvo's have? I love Volvo's but they have a lot of problems from leaky turbos (Some Subie's also have this problem.), bad trans coolers, not so great AWD systems, Haldex and Viscous Coupler issues, also have head gasket problems. In fact, that same XC70 I picked up has a small head gasket leak at 100,000 miles which is about the same as most Subarus. It's also worth noting you can get updated head gaskets for Subarus so they'll last a bit longer if not permanently. On my Volvo, the high compression 5 cylinder mixed with the turbo causes it to blow out the HG.
I think "Bobco" means people abusing their cars (like the saying "Never buy a used Jeep" means) and then selling them to someone who doesn't know the owner did dumb/stupid things with their cars like this video is showing. Kind of like all those dishonest RV owners who have dogs in their RVs -- or smoked in them -- but when it's time to sell the RV they spray it down inside with Febreze (or such) and then claim their RV was "pet/smoke free." BS... -- BR
Can confirm. Used to own an outback and I just bought a Volvo XC70. Lived in Colorado my whole life and was constantly stuck in the snow with the Outback. Was the worst car I’ve ever owned. Not to mention the outback would me in the mechanic at least once a month. Never stopped having problems. With the Volvo on the other hand, it’s been so nice driving in the snow, I rarely get stuck now!
Not liking a CVT is understandable. I don’t understand “easy....way not to invest in auto or manual transmission.” Are car manufacturers somehow required or should be made to invest in auto or manual transmissions? Also, CVT is a type of automatic transmission.
Yes, poor competitive mpg has always been a poor selling factor for Subaru. Still makes no sense to kill the rugged factor that attracted their base outdoors people. CVT doesn't take away what the vehicle was designed to do. CVT takes away what Subaru lovers want it to do.
My ‘87 Subie has the dual hi/lo range (5mt). Combined with studded tires, it’s a beast. Slow... but is a tank in the snow. It’s much better than my ‘05 outback (4EAT) through tough conditions. Never drove a CVT
MPG is still terrible. On Autobahn, at 150 km/h (93 mph) it's 15.3 l / 100 km which is surprisingly the same number, 15.3 mpg. Outback MY2010, 2.5, CVT. Unfortunately, the gas is much more expensive here than in the U.S.
That is terrible. My 4200lb B9 Tribeca 3.0 H6 still getting 20 mpg @ an average 75mph highway. Getting 15 in town. I'm wondering if that CVT is set up for max 70 mpg? What RPM are you turning at 150 km/h. I think I remember seeing my RPM at 3900 @ 90mph. I thought that was high. Feels like I need another gear above 75mph.
Looks like Subaru had studded snow tires while Volvo XC70 did not, just regular snow tires? You gotta make the tires the same to create fair experiment.
@Ray C. Swornaugh 18 Make sure the gas tank nipples and fill tube are not rusted out. Those are the parts that if its in the salt belt they run the risk of rusting if neglected.
Subaru, for its price point, has a symmetrical AWD system (it puts the same power to all four wheels). There are a couple at higher price points that do just as well - the Halidex system available on the Saab 9-3, Buick Regal, and now all BMW x-drive cars can put up to 90% of the power to the front or rear wheels, and the new double clutch system some companies (GM, Audi) have developed. That is about it.
The most aggressive driver usually does the best in these situations. That's why my Volvo XC90 has often beaten Subarus in this kind of situation, in the Colorado mountains-- because I was the most aggressive driver.
777Outrigger shows that subaru has a good 4wheel spin but the Volvo spins the front then the rear in ita effort making it loos momentum and almost fail.
The Front wheels only need to spin about 4 inches to put an immediate pre-charged torque to the rear wheels. About 1/1000 of a second. Nonsense about the rear wheel having a delayed spin. Sometimes the rear wheels don't spin because they have better traction, or because the power is going to the rear wheel on the other side, that you can't see. But my point is that Subaru videos constantly show fails of other car makes in these conditions, but the Volvo did not fail, showing these Subaru videos to be gross exaggerations. Please understand, I think Subaru have a great AWD system. But it's just a little over-hyped.
lol volvo is not even trying to be a rally car or the best 4x4 car but shows it can go almost everywhere, ofc subaru its better but this is what they promote they invest money in 4x4 system
