Subtlety Levelling Explained Further (WoW Classic) 

I had a buddy that swore by this back in the day and those old school Tarren Mill /Southshore battles were very fun seeing him just now people over and almost never die unless he got focused

this guide is actually making the good point.. I did all the green quests and I also joined STV when I was 35~36

Man I've switched from combat to sub to assassination to sub and finally back to combat after your video last week. My gold suffered greatly but honestly trying out different builds have been really fun. Thanks for the enlightenment :D

i like subtlety sooo much more and was enjoying it for leveling but thank you for this guide. can always learn something new

I actually specced slightly into sub with my build but only to get ghostly strike and it worked it pretty well. Also just generally made the gameplay more interesting because I had an extra ability.

instant like and sub. your build is amazingly fun and a shreds through content

Loving this Azamous, made a rogue currently at level 28, has been pretty good, hitting 450 ambush crits, also thanks for the macro it works really well, i just made a few adjustments so i can swap my main hand to my off hand and equip a sword on main hand to spam sinister strike.

love this video, thanks for the option, it is nice to hear something other than the combat echo chamber.

Perfect

Nice video my man, I leveled as sub myself and it was amazing, just as fast as combat with improved gouge and backstabbing

Great help sir! Thank you! Even a mouth breather like me can follow along!

holy frick as a brand new player to wow this was exactly what i was looking for. every other guide seems to assume youve been playing the game for over a decade. ty so much. i will be going through all of your vids and liking every single one of them. you da best

Absolutely love that you made a video that basically could classify us as twins. This spec in your video is 99% what I do while lvling in vanilla and now in classic. Stumbled on you video while bored at work. Cheers mate, glad someone is leading the community on rogue right.

This logic works awesome with a warrior.. stv at 30 is insane for the kurzen and medicine men.. but at 35.. sweeping strikes and cleave works wonders!!

Definately going to respec to this today! Thanks for the awesome vid!

Love this spec, modified it slightly but largely following it. When I have world buffs active am sometimes 1 shotting cloth mobs my level! Awesome stuff.

Love this - thanks so much for posting ! Quickly subbed your channel for great content

Love your guide Azamous, so excited to see you if you come play during the Road to rag on the classic Fresh :D

I loved the subelty spec on my original vanilla account, it's worth using sharpening stones on daggers before poisons come about and even then main hand dagger + weapon damage enchant with a sharpening stone can often heavy crit stuff of similar level.

Subbed to you my man. Really helpful videos. Im enjoying my Rogue so much and i'm already lvl 18! Also dont pay attention to haters and trolls because they want you to get mad! My advice is to just ignore it m8.

So if you are leveling a rogue I would recommend designating two zone. For example silverpine and barrens. Go to one and do the quests that are roughly the same level as you ie yellow quests. Get them done then go back to the other zone and now those quests will be green and you can absolutely blow through them.

very similar to how i played my rogue in vanilla but i never used ghost strike, i was heavy pvp based though and use Prem, nice to see a video no ignoring Sub but clearly pointing out its uses and weakness

You’re so right i have been questing in tanaris and farming ZF as a rogue lvl 52 and it has been a real help i xp from 46 to 53 and im at 410 gold i bought my devilsaur set at lvl 51

Awesome vid, im glad to see im not the only one loving ambush spec for leveling/world pvp, its super fun blasting clothies and prep is kinda broken af xD The only thing I kinda disagree with was the comment about evasion vs warriors. It can be a double edged sword with the warriors overpower but id much rather deal with that then having to tank a warrios mortal strike, whirlwind, hamstring, auto attack, disarm, and even execute. The other thing being that rouges generally have a decent amount of dodge anyway, meaning a good amount of the time a warrior is going to be hitting you with overpower even without using evasion. But obviously you dont always need evasion vs warriors if you manage to get a good opener or something like that, but rogues are super squishy vs the crazy physical damage of a warrior the best way to fight against them is stun lock and crippling poison kiting and restealthing Great vid, I look forward to seeing more of your rogue content ^.^

New to WoW and this was VERY helpful. Thanks

Thank you for the video Azamous!

I didn't expect the guy who makes the funny videos about being a noob would have such an informative video i wish i'd discovered you years ago this is great

Bro best livlig guide ever! Played rogue from start back in 05 to now and still play rogue. And I always play as hemo. Respect my rogue bro

Thank you greatly for your videos! Much appreciated thinking outside the box. Going along those lines, I wondered if anyone has tried a leveling build where you rush hemo (as here) but then, instead of going into the assassination tree, you go into the combat tree and pick up the 5% hit, riposte, and blade flurry. Any thoughts on this?

I am loving leveling as sub!

Wish you create more guides like this. thank you.

You’re right, I’m doing the same with my rogue, during vanilla I leveled as sub, and was going to lower quests, it’s faster to kill mobs, less time on healing my self.

Lvl 38 human combat sword spec here. Just respec'ed to sub after watching this vid. Also got my SM quest dagger just for this spec. Cheers mate. Thank you for the vid.

Wow that's something that I will try today, great f.ing video bro

Thank you so much for this

Great guide mate, just about to hit 32, then switch over to sub!

this specc is fun, i skilled it yesterday with my lvl 48. 😎👍

I’ve always thought green quest were bad. Thanks for this

i finally found a build that makes me start playing rogue

nice vid, I like your attitude on people should just try it out for themselves. I will spec into sub for ghostly strike and then go for riposte in combat and probably go all the was through to adrenaline rush on gurubashi private server that just launched.

I would love a guide like this when TBC comes out

Sub is really underrated I leveled as sub back in vanilla and people made fun of me But either way I always loved the style of sub

I love the way you speak like a true rogue in all aspects :D

I thought green quests gave reduced exp!.... hum...well I going to change how I quest. Thank you.

@AzAmOuS would you be able to advice on Runes on this build in Season of discovery? i must say i am opretty bad at the game overall and this build was the most fun rogue i ever played! so even if you dont have time, thanks for this one, appriciate it!

Thanks for this helpful video. 👍🏻

i leveled using this build. it's a bit frustrating using hemo with daggers. i swapped to a standard prep/backstab/improved sprint/lethatlity build in the high 40s and it got better for both PVE and PVP. the 2% hit is big. as is the improved sap, and +30% backstab crit for pvp and dungeons. For solo leveling, SS is worth the 5 extra energy for the damage improvement over Hemo for me. Worth a shot if you're trying this and want a change of pace.

I'd delay everything by 2 levels and get Remorseless Attacks right away (or before lvl 15 at least) instead of lvl 40, you'll have it easier for a long ass time up to 40 where the 2 point delay will be well invested given the quicker fights up until then.

1:21 😂😂😂😂 Thanks man it was a really good guide.

Thanks for the poisontip. My deadly poison fracks up the gouge. :)

amazing video, one of best guides ive seen on yt (im also a noob) but i gotta say i feel like first 5 talent points should go into Malice with any rouge build, since it gives you 100% increased crit chance on every single attk you do.. too good to skip imo

Hey mate great video. For PvP, the Hemo spec is better using swords or daggers? Isnt Hemo more efficient using swords? Thanks and keep these awesome vids coming ;-)

Hi love the content. I'm sub similar to your build lvl 33 really battling to use backstab efficiently, can't seem to be quick enough to use it and already waiting on energy build up . Would you maybe have some suggestions?

Sub'd! Keep up the great content.

I have a lvl 55 enhancement shaman and bored as hell from playing it. This video made me create a rogue alt! And i'm going sub thx to u!

You are a god, this make levelling rogue soooooo much fun

Since classic servers startet becoming popular again I decided start a rogue. I stumbled upon this video and oh boy did it just make playing a lot more fun. I've leveled rogues plenty of times before in both vanilla and classic, but this is by far the most fun spec I've tried! Huge ambush crits and huge survivability. I don't play on hardcore but I honestly think I can count on one hand the amount of times I've died. I know its an old video but I have one question: how do you spec for pvp when level 60? Same spec or do you have any modifications?

AzAMOuS, Can I get your advice and your opinion on the talent tree in Lich King? What are the changes or modifications to be made? If you can at least guide me I would be grateful. I want to level with the way you explain but for Lich King.

Nice video man! I'm playing NE rogue at classic and I'm 45lvl atm. Looking at guides before launch I decided to lvl as combat sword. It's efficient but very boring.. I used combat up to 38lvl. When I did full SM run with the quest I SKIPED picking sword of serenity from the reward (which almost every rogue got) and I decided to go sub hemo spec, so I chose the dagger reward (Black Menace)! Boy that was life! I spend right after I lvled my dagger skill, 4 hours ganking hordies in STV. It was glorious! One-shoting clothies was so much fun! After I resumed leveling I was trying to find a macro for switching weapons in order to use the Vanquisher's sword on hemo. I struggled at grinding because I was grinding mobs at my lvl or even higher. So when I reached 42lvl I respec back to sword combat.. It's damn efficient but I struggle at pvp, and there is ALOT of pvp in my server! One question, when I was sub spec, I had the combat talent for improved backstab, I think it's nice for pvp and for dungeons, what do u think? Also I think I'll stay combat because soon I'll get thrash blade from maraudon quest.

good day Sir. I really like this spec for hardcore. for hardcore would you make any changes? TYVM!

Hello, i've been a fan of sub leveling since my first step on LK (at the release not classic version) Got some questions : Why in your talent tree you don't go right away to take the remorsless spec in assassination (i can understand for malice) ? for me they seems to be really important to chain mob. Master of deception don't need to be maxed out ? Is backstab usable on mob ? usualy what happend is Gouge then backstab, but it seems not being consistant, since i didn't wait far in "strategy technique" maybe i'm missing something for backstab. Ghostly strike is my love

Thx dude you are awesome

that tank looks familiar

Nice guide. I started a rogue on a different server before I switched to my mates server recently, and I also fell into the combat tree and really didn't like it. Started a new Rogue on my current server last night and will defo give Sub a go. Iv've never fully levelled a rogue even in retail, so look forward to this, (plus I am on Ten-Storms EU which is a PVP server and people like to gank). Solid advice and a sub from me. Many thanks!

hi, i am leveling a rogue for TBC, and i will follow this all the way, good work mate, thanks for the tips!!

Should you maybe Macro ghostly strike with hemo? so whenever ghostly strike is available it will use it instead of hemo?

Yeah old viedo but hell .. i love looking for anything that can improve my rogue . Subtlety since preTBC. Its the best for me. Just learn timing on your energy regen, use engineering and macros (got every single spell as macro) Up to 25 level its like 4-5 hits kill and get only like 10% dmg thanks to dodge (ambush>ghostly strike >gouge> backstab> eviscerate and gg next target) For multiple targets use Target Dummy with stun granades and make distance while fighting main target. Also mouseover gouge offtargets. I use main crippling poison , offhand instant . Later is even more fun with 3/3 sap, blind etc.

I got remorseless attacks at 18, and it made a world of difference. I started slaying everything. It is definitely worth taking even if it means getting ghostly strikes at 21 or 22.

Is it a possibility to modify the spec to get improved sap? Could be handy for pvp and some pve occurrences

Subtlety Rogue is my favorite spec of all of em but when it comes to dungeons/raiding its really mediocre. I still do recommend using this spec to everyone for solo leveling, it will really make your solo journey easier.

Great video :)

Finally someone understands that sub is just better for leveling combat can be usefull with sprint imp kick but I rather have 2 sprints tbh ty for clearing this up and

Man i love your guide.

Thanks for this video!! I'd like to have this build, but I plan on doing mostly dungeons with my friends or PvPing while waiting for them or a group. Should I change anythung if I dont plan to do much solo leveling?

My favorite has always been combat rogue, if you spec it right (sinister spam, dodge, precision, parry, riptose, sinister sword dual wield dps to the end of the talent tree, then come back for sprint+ evasion/sprint cd boost to make sure you can close ground in pvp to make sure no casters or priests can keep you at a distance) you can do allllot of white damage consistently with sinister/slice and dice while barely taking any damage yourself, you wont have to rely on stealth as much and wont find yourself as useless when out of it, and wont have to rely on crits to win a battle (as im sure you know how frustrating it can be when you just cant get that crit off) the sheer amount of white damage you can put out with: garrote/cheapshot -> rupture/slice and dice -> evicerate while landing as many riptoses inbetween is actually rediculous, there will rarely be a moment between main wep hits where your target is not being hit by riptose/sinister strike/dot/eviserate [depending on the situation and what your fighting] you will have to rely on knowing the mechanics of the rogue well; sinister directly AFTER each main hand swing so you dont reset your swing timer, & like you said dont try to evade warriors, instead stunlock and CC + kiting them makes them absolitely useless vs you, if you can get massive amounts of dot stacked in the meantime all the better, and if they are unfortunate enough to not have a weapon chain then your riptose will not only be a good counter dmg burst but also increase your sustain significantly vs any other melee class. You can put riptose on your scroll wheel and annihilate any other melee class once you parry (which I can say happens alot more often then one would expect in pvp with this build, even vsing higher levels). The only class pvp wise you have to worry about as a rogue is shadow priests, when your not relying on crits and can do more then 4 hits/2 seconds this class become a joke to deal with once u learn how to control the fights with them (as they cant seem to take a flurry of smaller hits as well as they can take bigger slow hits if you CC correctly). There arent many class specs that can stand toe to toe vs this build. I normally build this as a human counter rogue build as humans will have very high sword/mace dps output in pve, making leveling alot simpler and easier. Alternatively you can switch to maces and forego the extra hits for stun locking, making you one of the most (if not the most) annoying/deadly pvp classes in the game due to the pure amount of CC at your disposal. Most of my pvp im laughing because with a few exceptions ill rarely even get hit before 1-2 enemies have fallen. The stunlock build is better 1v1 while the sword build can quickly take down multiple opponents. Good video, and dont get me wrong your build isnt bad, i use to love using subtle to get to 60, i just like to solo alot and found this better to my aggressive playstyle.

I'm level 46 and I switched to your build yesterday. I gotta say I'm killing it way harder now and it's definitely way more fun! Also your videos have some pretty sick music. Do you create the tunes?

Sub is so much fun to play. Much more than combat. I play a variation of your build. Great point on the leveling zone issue. I got caught in that until 36 than I stopped that rat race attitude.

THE WAIT IS FINALLY OVER, THANKS AZAM

This video helps. I had NO clue green quests gave full xp. Ive been skipping so much shit cuz of it. And i though lvling as something other than combat was stupid as they get blade flurry n shit. I might try this out after i farm for the gnomeregan dagger

So do you recomend we do Mining and Engineering as professions? And no Leatherwork and herbs?

Hello can we have a guide on the optimal way to play wow (mouse and keyboard if possible) as a rogue

Cool guide, ty

This is awesome

great video!

0:07 Dude wtf that is exactly how my first rogue looked like! It was also my first character ever

The best part is when he said elitist scum bags I felt that xD

Hello, thank you for your video. I am French so I did not understand some things. ( sorry for the translation ) Why and when to use Hemo and Gosthly Strike? I do not understand ^^

Just a small mistake I saw. At 3:30 your first talent point you put in leads you into level 10 not 11. So overall your level indicator is ahead by 1.

Alright! First, thanks a lot for your videos, I really liked them! That said, I would like to give another thanks cause I am really new to rogues and I was checking all your comments to get more and more info about rogues and this spec. Nice to see the you replied everyone, I hope I get a reply too. Sorry my Englando, is not my native language. As a newbie rogue I would like to ask you few questions, they gonna be really stupid, I hope you dont mind :) 1. About rotation, I saw that vs plate/cloth we have different opening, but for simplicity sake lets say I use stealth, open with ambush, then what do I do? Its like combat? Spam SS till 5 combo then Evil/SnD? 2. Do I really need Ghostly Strike? Do you think its a good spell? 3. Do you mind to show a rotation for when I get Hemorrage again? Should be something like Ambush, SS, Hemo, SnD? 4. Compared to 2 sword combat spec, do you think this sub build will do bad on dugeons? Hey, once more, thank you very much for your videos! Already sub to your channel and I am looking forward see more of them!

With a build like this what would be my best stat to focus on? agility?

I think you do need one hemo spec rouge for raids for the debuff we take one anyway

Can you do a video on PVE spec, rotations and tips with daggers at 60? cheers

is it more fun to apply garrote and rupture and watch them bleed to death? or use ambush and bafkstab on them for fast kill?

Is hemo just a point builder? and the damage comes from Ambush and backstab? Should you be building 5 point kidneys and pumping out back stabs. Or just hemo spam 5 point evis ?

Nice vid. Good info, music, and editing. I'm having a lot of fun leveling as Sub and still feel very efficient. Really looking forward to world PvP with this spec. This may not be as efficient as Combat but way more fun than spamming SS and Eviscerate all the time.

could i swap dagger after ambush totaly and use 2 two handed sword after ambush instead ?

Hi, could pls tell me if a subtlety rogue is as effective as sword-combo in PVE (solo run in dungeons) ? I start to play a rogue on classic turtle wow and I'd like to be sure my efforts were not in vain. Because sub-rogue uses daggers only which are rare to find in the world. Thanks for your reply. And I consider PVE only

I levelled all the way to 60 on subt at release. Respecced to combat briefly...and then reverted to subt as I was bored to tears.

For everyone low level, I recommend using this build until you get Adrenaline Rush + Bladefury. I wish I did :(