Subwoofer Shootout | Budget vs. Midrange vs. DIY vs. Old School Subs

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Are you looking for a subwoofer but aren't sure what you need? Hopefully, this video will give you some insight as to what to look for in a subwoofer.
Subs reviewed: SVS SB2000, ELAC SUB3010, DIY N'Ice Cube, DIY Voxel Sub by Paul Carmody, Micca MS10, Micca MS12, Angstrom Forza.
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@joentell 3 года назад

My Subwoofer Leaderboard: bit.ly/subwooferleaderboard

@ZeroCool-vn9bd 3 года назад

Thanks for the volume warning regarding the test sweep. I have an isolated 12v (big AGM boat battery/battery tender, 2 farad cap, setup in the living room for bench testing automotive subwoofers down to 1.5-2 ohms @ 800w RMS. This is in addition to monitors and rack the setup I've made for editing 5.1 audio. For this test I ran a DVC Alpine Type-R 12 in a factory volume recommended spec sealed cabinet. 8g 2.5m speaker leads and 2g 30cm power delivery. The volume is turned WAY down, @ 20-23hz not only can you see the woofer working, but feel the pressure changing in the room, at 45hz, it's getting loud, at 60hz, I'm shutting things down because it's rumbling things off my shelves. Since I'm studying abroad right now I can't compare it to my trusty PARADIGM REFERENCE PDR-12. Which consider to be a really solid entry into the hifi game, if you are on a budget and don't want to tinker.

@UPsideDOWNworld321 2 года назад

1000% right about JL Audio some of the best woofer for YEARSSSSSS

@SVS_Sound 5 лет назад

Thanks for taking a scientific approach to this shootout, glad you enjoyed the SB-2000. Great insights!

@ZHEER 5 лет назад

Hey can you send me one too, please? I like your products but can't afford the sub. I'll tell my friends about you (but can't guarantee they will buy anything from you cuz they also broke like myself.) Thanks

@davidshowslsu 5 лет назад

Lol zheer

@sneezingcatss 5 лет назад

@@ZHEER lol

@lm6036 5 лет назад

@@ZHEER Damn. Has that ever worked for you? 😂

@rakitakhan 5 лет назад

My best friend has an SVS SB13 Ultra...amazing sub.

@tenvillagesahead4192 5 лет назад

I love the fact that you don't waste time with introductions and get right into the data and tests. Like Boom! Here's the meat and potatoes and here's why you clicked on the video. You deserve more subscribers tbh

@joentell 5 лет назад

Thank you!

@robertenn6818 5 лет назад

yes. Some sites take a third of the video telling you what they are going to tell you, and then go further, enumerating sections! An introductory couple of sentences and then you are giving us info. Thanks! Also, I learn a lot from your presentations.

@kohnfutner9637 5 лет назад

Introductions are for people trying to sell you bullshits.

@joentell 5 лет назад

🤣 I had this conversation with a fellow RU-vidr earlier today. I hate it when I watch someone new and the first thing they do is ask me to subscribe. I'm like, "I haven't even seen what your video is like yet!" 😂

@adyandrey23andrey 5 лет назад

One of a few clips on youtube that actually places the viewer into the actual video. The fact that you gave us the option to test out our speakers/headphones made watching the video more enjoyable, as I felt like *I* was collecting all this data and making the these tests along with you. Great job man!

@joentell 5 лет назад

Hey thank you for telling me that. That's what I was hoping for!

@cnash-xr6ce 5 лет назад

Confirmed my desire for a SVS subwoofer. Thanks.

@MrKbarstad 5 лет назад

Do ittttt. And do 2. I got a pair of the pb 12 nsd's in december. Only regret i have is not having more money to buy their better products.

@buttonman1831 5 лет назад

Frequency doesn't tell the whole story of how a sub will sound, be warned

@MrLmp2109 5 лет назад

Go try a rel acoustic but not their ht range

@ghostrecon3214 5 лет назад

Got an SVS Sb12nsd and it exceeded my expectations.

@TheoneDragon51 5 лет назад

Check out Power Sound Audio Tom V. Left SVS and started Power Sound Audio ..Built in the USA Svs is now made in China and can't touch them.

@jasonwhitehurst7576 5 лет назад

For an 8" sub, Joe, that's banging! Nicely done.

@barfy362 5 лет назад

I like how you were trying not to blast the other subs before the SVS too bad: "85 decibels at 32.8Hz which is about the same as some of these... well not that one... no... never mind." I was also impressed by the Nice Cube. I'm not really looking for extension below about 27.5Hz anyway and that looks like it would be great for me.

@arthurwatts1680 5 лет назад

Joe, I'm quietly confident that my 6-month old A-T headphones can 'hear' lower frequencies than my ~60 year old ears ;) Thanks for the video.

@scoopdogg2920 5 лет назад

Daaaaaaum my laptop started at 230hz! what a pice of hifi gory.

@joentell 5 лет назад

😂😊

@that-midas6781 4 года назад

Even my smartphone can play lower hz😂 86 and up (huawei p20 pro)

@brucegarethgeorge 4 года назад

@@that-midas6781 I heard down to 10 hz on my headphones seems impossible. It must be down to compression

@SolarAbyss 3 года назад

@@brucegarethgeorge 14 with my earbuds. I don't know if I should believe that either, seems crazy

@RathOX 5 лет назад

I own the SVS PC2000 & love it, looking to buy a 2nd

@texasbuzzard4970 5 лет назад

Amazing video!! Need to get more shootouts like this. I would LOVE to see the bic america f12, Polk psw505, and klipsch r120sw shootout. They are all $200 and nobody agrees on which is best. F12 has been popular forever and you still can’t find graphs or reviews as detailed as yours

@justinbeamon6624 5 лет назад

I actually had the PSW505 and F12 and the Dayton Sub1500. The Polk is the loudest but is ruined by the insane port noise, it's excruciating. The f12 is also loud but much cleaner sounding and no port noise, but not as accurate as the Polk. I settled on the Sub1500. Not quite as loud as the Polk but goes sooo much lower and is accurate enough.

@myfagan 5 лет назад

I own an F12.. forget it. Buy the Acoustech sub. It's a premium line of BiC and better than all of the prior mentioned subs. F12 sounds like shit when side by side

@RAMtrails 5 лет назад

hopefully you could get in the Emotiva BasX and the Monoprice Monolith subs for review!

@0bzen22 5 лет назад

Was the Elac room-corrected? Because it will mean that the near-field response won't be flat. It'll be colored to fit the room.

@joentell 5 лет назад

Auto-eq was turned off

@matilija 5 лет назад

Those peaks you show are due to the fact that you had a port facing a hardwood floor, you were getting resonance peaks, put them on a rug and run the test again.

@joentell 5 лет назад

Possibly! I didn't even consider that. Thanks! I'll pin your comment to let others know. Unfortunately I can't change the video.

@matilija 5 лет назад

@@joentell I just re-read what I posted, sorry, that sounds aweful bossy, I meant to say you should try them on a rug, not "DO IT" lol, but no worries.

@joentell 5 лет назад

It didn't come off as bossy to me. I thought you were making a suggestion. Some people say, you're doing X & Y wrong and don't even offer a recommendation to do it better.

@ghostrecon3214 5 лет назад

You think the sub is vibrating the floor causing the floor to create its own sound? Could be, mine makes my windows sing.

@duanerandleman2456 5 лет назад

Peaks have to do with the room dimensions. Wave lengths on bass are so long that any cloth material including carpet has no impact. You need mass like concrete to hold bass in.

@hansmayer7814 5 лет назад

Great comparison video Joe! All your videos are excellent reference and very well produced. I would have liked to see this before I bought my latest sub, the Dayton Audio SUB 1000, to go with my B652AIRs. I used to own a Klipsch KSW-12 and that I do miss.

@madmax2069 5 лет назад

sad that the dayton audio sub-1200 and sub-1000 wasn't in the video, they look about the same as the Micca subs but are cheaper than the Micca. would have been awesome to see their performance against the Micca subs.

@beezaa 5 лет назад

Micca looks like it's using the same enclosure. I'm curious to see them compared against each other.

@madmax2069 5 лет назад

@@beezaa the enclosure is similar, but not the same. There's been multiple brands before Dayton audio that has used a similar designed enclosure.

@Callentay 4 года назад

I have the Dayton sub-800 and it's a beast for the price that I paid for it. It easily fills a small room.

@JasonWh 4 года назад

Joe, have you considered adding a servo sub to your comparisons? Rhythmik makes incredible servo subs that perform on par or better than SVS at roughly the same price or a bit less. They have a 10" sealed servo sub that's an incredible performer. It's the one I currently own in my office with my Kanto Tuk (based on your recommendation). If you've not heard of servo subs and why they are often times preferred, check out the logic for them on the web. I think Rythmik site explains some of the science.

@aussie8114 5 лет назад

We have a REL R328. Seriously a wonderful sub. Recognised also as one of the very best for music audiophiles. Can be connected to the AV amps low end output and also a second music amps high end speaker cable. Has seperate gain controls for low and high end inputs. I give it 10/10

@goobisoft4873 4 года назад

My 6.5 inch woofer made.for bookshelf 3.5 mm excursion if placed in corner can go down to 30 hz pretty loud infact 31-35 is the louder then 40 hz offcourse tuned to 32 hz

@Softcloudy671 2 года назад

your wallpaper is not awesome lol

@mr.vokits8757 4 года назад

Rocking the Sauconys! I finally see someone else wearing them. Thanks for taking this seriously. Most people become a caricature on RU-vid.

@madcrabber1113 2 года назад

Great video! I have SVS, JBL, RSL and several Def Tech older (2009 ish) subs and powered speakers with subs although both Def Tech subs never really sounded very good for the short period of time that they actually worked. All at their price points when purchased (not the Def Techs) and for their intended uses are great. Watching channels like yours really helps when doing the research.

@RowynOfficial 5 лет назад

I can hear My Logitech G233 at 17hz but mostly hear it at 20hz and up

@TinchoX 5 лет назад

18Hz on my Sennheiser HD 598 I am impressed! 4:28 Oh so then it's around 20-22Hz

@thomasschafer7268 3 года назад

Hahaha. Open the bottles 🙃🙃🙃

@randyyyyyyy6977 5 лет назад

This is the best coverage of subwoofers I've seen anywhere on the internet. Bravo! I learned so much from this.

@joentell 5 лет назад

Thanks. Glad it was helpful. I will try to do an update when I get more subs in.

@dovydasvilcinskas3834 5 лет назад

My headphones start at 30hz but normal bass at 40 :/

@mrjivester 5 лет назад

This blow my mind. Thanks for explaining the different frequencies.

@Trdat 5 лет назад

Although the wealth of information was nothing new to me I was still captivated by your video, but if you really wanted to give us something extra for the real bassaholics or audiophiles for the lack of a better word you should of found out the QTC value of each. This way we would of seen a correlation of each sub woofer with it's roll off and frequency response in conjuction with price and other features. Ultimately understanding the transients of each sub, what really matters in a sub woofer.

@SwaggyKillzz 5 лет назад

@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt correcting one another and coming up with such a sentence yourself, hilarious +1 Yoda

@mazda2284 5 лет назад

dang i should have wore my headphones ... my GF wasnt very happy with me shaking the walls @12hz lol! my sub picks up all of it ! i have a custom built Digital designs 1500 series 10'' motor that i turned into a 15'' , the cone and dustcap is aluminum , custom dual 8.5'' spider landings ''2 spiders per landing'' , Custom PE voice coil round wire copper 4layer , its in a ported 3.5cu ft net box tuned to 28hz ''placement in my house actually drops the tuning abit lower than 28hz'' its powered by a Sony 700RMS amplifier

@joentell 5 лет назад

I know people DIY their own enclosures and crossovers, but did you Frankenstein your own drivers?

@mazda2284 5 лет назад

@@joentell yes sir , if you havent you should check out my insane 6'' peak to peak driver i built , sounds like crap but it will smash 15hz like nobody knew ! it was built more as a fun project and not very usable , i do love building usable drivers , take something basic and redo it from the motor up to make a totally different driver

@joentell 5 лет назад

Subscribed! When I saw your channel name, I didn't expect you to have a channel with 14k subscribers! 😊

@joentell 5 лет назад

I have a question you might be able to answer. What's a good car subwoofer for SQ? I used to run 3 x 10" JL Audio W6's and I liked the way they sounded. Any other companies now that good sound for a lot less?

@mazda2284 5 лет назад

@@joentell NVX VS series , Dayton ''which you know about '' , Hutchinson car audio ''they are expensive but hand made and worth the cost'', digital designs , DC audio , really hard to list them all but it really depends what you are going for and budget . and as you know the box makes a world of difference .

@FOGoticus 4 года назад

The audio encoder that youtube uses cuts off audio frequency under 20 hz almost violently so this video cannot be used as a "demo" for headphones however subwoofers might work just fine (judging by how few subs reach 20hz) With an online tone generator, at normal listening volume (for music), my Logitech G Pro X headphones start producing audible at around 16hz with their own "DAC" and at around 17hz on my integrated audio solution on the PC. With higher volumes, I can even hear 13hz even though it's subtle. My modded Z533 2.1 system however only produces audio through the sub starting at 31Hz. Anything bellow and it's dead silent. Anything above and it's well... "bass".

@BryceandKyle 5 лет назад

Should have some HSU Research on here.

@joentell 5 лет назад

I mentioned them in the end. Hopefully they're open to sending me something to review in the future

@BryceandKyle 5 лет назад

@@joentell I saw that. Once they go on sale again I'll be picking up a VTF-2 MK5.

@myfagan 5 лет назад

@@joentell acoustech is literally just as good and less expensive. It's a HSU rip off and it's legit

@santory666 5 лет назад

I would like to buy some budget stuff for music & movies & PC games. At the beginning I was looking for some bookshelfs speakers, but I just realized that probably I will not get deep bass with small speakers without a subwoofer . Is it actually possible to build some stereo 2.0, where you can get some deeper bass for movies ? I have allready bought tpa3116 D class amp (you can get it really cheap from china and connect to laptop power supply 20V ~4 amps) and I am waiting for some good offer for Polk Audio T50. T50 spec --> Total Frequency Response 38 Hz → 24,000 Hz. Let me know what will be better to build on the budget --> 2.0 Polk Audio T50 or some cheap bookshelfs (probably min freq response above 50Hz + subwoofer) ??

@MinasK.97 5 лет назад

30hz I hear it but I hear air too

@drof2th 3 года назад

Great report and thanks for the help! I have an SVS sub woofer on order but want to also fix my NHT sub woofer. Do you know where I could get a 10" replacement driver for an NHT setup?

@Vincent79Vega 5 лет назад

Thanks a lot for the test. I have two SB2000 in the corner with an Antimode and I love them. After I see your results I like them even more :)

@jeffperkins6514 2 года назад

No doubt the SVS Subwoofers are great. It just seems like a couple of diy kits from Parts-Express that are pre cut and easily assembled could take sub bass to another level. That Dayton Ultimax looks like it could do some great low bass in those kits.

@rolandrohde 5 лет назад

Both Elac (I have two S12EQ running here) and the SVS (used to have the SB12) are great subs. Your results pretty much show that as well...😉

@MarkHolidayTrendsetter 4 года назад

liked and subscribed. BUT... I REALLY need help in the form of advice from audiophilic or from the audio professional. What is the most "CLEAN" sounding, or "TRANSPARENT" or "true sounding" speakers in the world? I need a true reference speaker. With the FLATTEST response ever! PLEASE, help me!

@joentell 4 года назад

That's pretty impossible to answer. The flattest response probably is from some studio monitor since they're designed to be flat most of the time.

@superjervis 5 лет назад

Great video as usual...I appreciate the effort..I'm sure it took a long time to do

@nova467spanker 5 лет назад

You should test the Klipsch r-112 sw. If you feel real ballsy test the Klipsch r-115-sw My stepdad has a pair of the r-115sw and they the so bad ass.

@kevinweber5129 5 лет назад

You are the BEST reviewer because you are not scared to rank the speakers on the board.

@joentell 5 лет назад

Thank you. Yeah why not right? It's just my opinion. Someone else might rank them differently.

@karlale4904 5 лет назад

HAHA. Awesome. Its like a DYNO test for gas engines. Nice.

@somebodynobody300 5 лет назад

waoh the bass test was amazing!!

@dustinfoltz4769 4 года назад

Doing a car audio subwoofer can give you a stronger deeper sound. For the bass you absolutely cant beat using car audio components

@lanjin 5 лет назад

Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks Joe

@joentell 5 лет назад

👊😎

@jdlech 5 лет назад

Human hearing being 20hz-20Khz is just an average. And if you studied averages in school, you'll know that half the people will be above the average. In this case, especially young people. So the 20-20K is not an absolute. I try to maintain a standard that extends up to at least 24K when "speccing" my equipment. I'm far too old to hear anything close to 20KHz, but my system is not meant for me alone. It also means that if I set the EQ, it will sound shrill to a young person. But if that young person sets the EQ, then it will sound dull to me. How it should be set depends greatly on who is listening. There's some audiophiles who claim equalization, for any reason, is the devil. But how many of them have absolutely flat hearing from 20-20KHz? How many of them had their hearing tested over the frequency range to any degree of accuracy? If not, then how do they know their hearing is flat? How do they know what they hear is flatt (exactly as the studio engineer wanted it to sound)? Equalization is not all about the shortcomings of the equipment. It's also about compensating for the shortcomings of one's hearing. But I know one thing with absolute certainty. If your equipment can't reproduce it, no one will ever hear it. No matter how good or bad their hearing. This is why I'm so anal about the specs first and foremost, and then go on from there. I'm also very interested in your test equipment. What software and microphones are you using?

@danielalcorn9761 5 лет назад

What about the BIC America 12"

@dattepo7534 5 лет назад

Daniel Alcorn that’s what I want to know

@justinbeamon6624 5 лет назад

I have one, great sub! But I have to say I kinda like the Dayton Sub1500 better. It goes lower and is more accurate than BIC F12. Maybe not quite as much volume but it's not far behind.

@raiderify 5 лет назад

@@justinbeamon6624 Since it's more accurate, would that make the Dayton great for music? I prefer orchestrated music but listen to just about every genre of music except for pop and reggaeton.

@Belfor09 5 лет назад

I wish my sub was making 15Hz audible to the point my eyes start to water themselves like when I listen to this tone via headphones.

@lakorai2 5 лет назад

DIY all the way. Car audio subs are way more beastly for the price. Put a sundown, Image Dynamics IDMax or Dayton Ultimax in your own enclosure an an external Crown subwoofer amp...

@joentell 5 лет назад

Agree. With some of the car audio subwoofers, you just have to make sure they aren't sluggish sounding. I used to have 3 x 10 JL Audio W6's when I was in high school. Loved them. Then later I got the Orion HCCA and it had more SPL per sub, but not as "musical". It was loud, but didn't blend very well with my speakers.

@redvivid 5 лет назад

@@joentell lol hcca are competition subs.

@joentell 5 лет назад

My mistake. That thing sure sounded like it to. ONE NOTE BASS! 😂😂😂 We didn't have the access to info we have now.

@joentell 5 лет назад

Were those Kicker Competition subs for competition? 😂 My friend had one (before they started doing weird square Solo-barics) in a bandpass box and it sounded pretty good for a single 10". I think his was a C10. I brought over my JL Audio 10W6 and he 😢. Then I ended up getting 2 more and running it on an old school Soundstream "cheater amp" that claimed like 25 watts but putting out over 500w.

@lm6036 5 лет назад

Do note that many "car audio branded" subs are often build for high SPL output and not flat linear response.

@inigomontoya6806 5 лет назад

I have a pair of SVS SB2000 subs, and can attest they have output below 10HZ. I can't hear them that low, but during your frequency sweep, my house complained. I have also a HSU sub, but prefer SVS.

@joentell 5 лет назад

Lol about the house shaking. Yeah, I like these Grandpa shoes!

@Roof_Pizza 5 лет назад

Below 20 hrtz is wonderful when you can feel it in your chest. I'm not one to interested in wall rattling but high pressure is intoxicating.

@dzezikus 5 лет назад

25Hz it starts and from about 35Hz it is loud in my living room, this are big tower speakers about 100liters. It looks I don't need subwoofer. I will check my office speakers.

@bonzainews 5 лет назад

about 3 db down at 90 hz with the infinity minuettes connected to my computer... not impressive

@jb2trappyg271 4 года назад

25 for AirPods / EarPods (by Apple)

@Vlican 5 лет назад

the SVS is a freaking beast! would be great if you can review some of the other brands you mentioned (HSU, Rythmik, etc...)

@davidr9606 4 года назад

A very informative review. However, there are other subs that would bury the SVS (even higher-end SVS models) such as the Seaton SubMersive HP+ (made in the US) and Funk Audio 24.0 (made in Canada). These subs are in an entirely different league than SVS, HSU,... and of course, the price difference reflects this.

@Vlican 4 года назад

@@davidr9606 at those prices, i'd sure hope they crush the SVS... the law of diminishing returns hurt those badly, especially those funk audio products...

@joentell 4 года назад

Oh yeah for sure. This is an awesome little sub.

@boblewis4830 5 лет назад

Thanks, excellent review, except that I am not familiar with most of the speakers. Would like to see you do some checks on brands like B&W, Jamo, Yamaha, Monitor Audio, etc. Also, it was interesting to see that a good design with smaller driver may out-perform a big one - (on frequency response curve not necessarily on output volume.) It has certainly made me more wary when choosing a SW.

@joentell 5 лет назад

Thank you for the feedback. I'm glad it was insightful.

@steverodrigues144 5 лет назад

Thanks for the Subs review, excellent content @Joe. I would love if you were to review wharfedale diamond 225 bookshelf’s! Pretty please 😃👍🏻

@harchihiarchi 5 лет назад

i really enjoyed this. I was listening on the laptop and didnt hear any tone until 240hz..., then i stopped it and got my older Sony MDR-XB700's and picked up rumbles from 16hz, however true tone @ 21hk ! I just love those so much. I look like an idiot...., but such an underrated haedphone. Watch them get picked up all over the world ..,now. The other 3 earover phoned were up in the 38-42hz range.. Ta.

@mercadiesbrooo6383 4 года назад

Trius Betrons are good budget headphones

@LloydLynx 4 года назад

You left out subwoofers in my budget, the "go to goodwill and hope you get lucky" sub.

@robertpaws 5 лет назад

Mine can go to 10hertz

@TheGetmoneyman 5 лет назад

Me too i heard it from the start

@billreacts-n4x 5 лет назад

Same

@billreacts-n4x 5 лет назад

Except I'm using headphones

@snauspockets9924 4 года назад

This video was pretty useless and taught me nothing as I will never have any of these speakers....but I still quite enjoyed it and watched it all the way through because I'm a speaker idiot. Takes one to know one.

@joentell 4 года назад

You will have a dope system if you don't already have one!!!! It's not expensive unless you want it to.

@utakatikmobil 5 лет назад

Joe could you do those 2.1 PC speakers like logitech and klipsch?

@nurbsenvi 5 лет назад

usbdevice waste of time

@joentell 5 лет назад

Not in the near future, but I will keep my options open

@arunkalsi8002 5 лет назад

Also pls review edifier s350db 2.1 system if possible

@tarekz9992 5 лет назад

Heavy eq / dsp to boost the the low frequency response. See a link to Linkwitz's site on how this can be achieved www.linkwitzlab.com/thor-eq.htm .

@joentell 5 лет назад

I'm not sure if they are using a Linkwitz transform function. I was really interested in that when I was making my sub. The only reason I say that I'm not sure is because their ported version also performs very similarly and you cannot apply that transform function to a ported sub. At the same time, the ported version is a larger enclosure. If I were to guess, I think they are just using a really amazing driver, a fair amount of power, and DSP to flatten and extend the response. Whether they're using a Linkwitz transform, it's very possible, but I'm not sure.

@ToneCabinet 5 лет назад

Very nice review! You earned a new sub.

@npn2463 5 лет назад

woofer

@colejaramillo2090 5 лет назад

I'm wearing some sonyxb950bt headphones, and I heard the frequency from teergw beginning, recommend these, but mine broke so I have to tape them here and there.

@nickmangaroo 5 лет назад

Use some epoxy like jb weld

@djsoulfilter 5 лет назад

I absolutely love my ELAC Debut2 3010 sub. I bought it during Black Friday for half off plus had a $70 Amazon gift card. It hits lower than my previous 12" powered sub. It's very articulate and musical sounding. Perfect for music and movies. Very easy to blend in with my front towers.

@joentell 5 лет назад

For the amount you paid...you can't go wrong. You have to admit, that SVS is crazy though. ;-)

@djsoulfilter 5 лет назад

@@joentell that SVS sub is awesome! My next sub will either be a SVS or HSU. Thanks for this sub comparison video. :)

@joentell 5 лет назад

I want to get some stiffer competition in for review. We'll see what happens.

@jlongjr27 5 лет назад

I got the ELAC 3010 for $220ish from Best Buy in Dec. I really like the control the app gives you. I think you can manually tune it pretty flat, I just don't have the software to measure it. I'm pretty happy with it myself. Kind of disappointed more time wasn't spent with the app in this video, or with this sub in general.

@joentell 5 лет назад

Well it wasn't a full review of that sub. I had a lot of subs. I think I covered most of what it does though.

@jwiz1911 3 года назад

Cool video, I like seeing measurements across a range of prices, including DIY. I went the DIY route on my main speakers and am contemplating it for a subwoofer. Great work!

@troybateson 5 лет назад

Running 14 12” subs in my tiny bedroom. I think I’ve got the low notes covered lmao.

@cocosloan3748 5 лет назад

SVS is flatter coz its sealed box...Everything that's ported is worse!

@stimpsonjcat26 5 лет назад

A properly tuned port will have a flat response too. The boxes are probably too small for a flat tuning though. The trade off with a port is that the response below tuning drops off rapidly compared to a sealed sub.

@Crushonius 5 лет назад

this is not a complaint or anything but if you really want to go deep you need 15 or even 18 inches thats not to say smaller subs cant go deep its just that the bigger subs are just naturally better at it even a budget car audio sub like the mtx rt15 can hit 27 hz -3db without any dsp whatsoever in a nice custom built ported enclosure . now dont get me wrong the svs subs are amazing but they also cost a pretty penny

@Crushonius 5 лет назад

what i forgot to add the frequency response is almost flat down to 30 hz where it slowly starts to roll off now considering that 27 hz -3db is amazing for a chassis that cost around 120 bucks and if you can afford to build the box a bit bigger you can go down to around 24-25 hz -3db of course the enclosure is not small by any means we are talking 3 cubic feet for the 27 hz and 4 cubic feet for the 25 hz version

@lowerthetone 5 лет назад

Big subwoofers take up soooooo much room though... It's not even necessary! Devialet's Phantom speaker plays down to 18Hz as does B&W's PV range of subs. These both use 6.5 inch woofers in an opposing SEALED cabinet. The only thing that makes an 18inch woofer better than them is that it doesn't need a lot of amplification before it moves enough to play a

@joentell 5 лет назад

The B&W's have a 6.5" woofer? And it goes down to 18hz?

@vincentrobinette1507 5 лет назад

You're exactly right. For every octave you drop, you need twice the displacement of air, to maintain SPL. A small sub can produce the same frequencies, just not as loud. For a near field multimedia set up, a 6" sub can do very well, because it just doesn't need to be so loud, when it's within arms reach.

@RSx94 5 лет назад

Could you try out a Polk HTS10? :P

@dopamining7621 5 лет назад

Have you ever seen Phil Jones Bass amps for bass guitar? They make arguable the best bass amps in the world, and instead of massive 12" or 15" woofers, they use ever increasing arrays of 5" drivers.

@joentell 5 лет назад

Interesting!

@ghostrecon3214 5 лет назад

Very interesting... Google here I come. I can imagine if they were loaded with somr Scanspeak Revelators, whoa boy.

@asthecrowflies1201 5 лет назад

The general range of bass guitars is much different than the general range of a dedicated subwoofers. Bass guitar is a mid-range instrument. 40Hz @ 120dB is much much easier to achieve than 20Hz @120dB, and the drivers reflect this. This is why you still see giant subwoofers bins at every major concert where price is no object, even when they are also flying MASSIVE line arrays just like you're referring to in the ceilings. There are actually a few bass cab companies that design their bass cabs to be truly full range, though it's a rarer niche. Check out greenboy's fEARfull enclosures, they are absolute monsters. They don't get the respect they deserve as a small company.

@ghostrecon3214 5 лет назад

@@asthecrowflies1201 never heard of him but I am interested and off to search it ty.

@Rararawr 5 лет назад

I can hear my Logitech Z906 around 40hz which is right in line with the spec because they claim 35 and I have my volume way down. My Bluedio victory headphones I can hear clearly down to 20hz and below that its more of just pulses

@gizmoknow-how2022 5 лет назад

I have a 5.1 Sony home theatre, the 6 or 7 inch sub can produce bass as low as 40 Hz. At 3:32

@genehunter94 5 лет назад

What do you think about a diy sub made with a car subwoofer? I have a skar vvx 8" just lying around

@exinfernnus 5 лет назад

Wooo - My poor old Optimus started smoothing out at around 30hz. Should it do this with the amp from a WalMart/Sony sub screwed to it? Looking... I don't think my poor old Yamaha RX-V663 has a subsonic filter, so I guess I'll just let it run. But... yah, it's a paper 12" in maybe 2 cubic ft. and it really does well with any movie/game. I'm glad I bought it for my Dad -15 years ago.

@bobsmith8368 5 лет назад

Dude, you did a great job building that sub, I am really impressed with both the build quality and component selection. Of course the performance tells the tale.......fantastic job!

@joentell 5 лет назад

Thanks Bob! 🙏

@SquashPile 5 лет назад

I recently got the Monoprice THX 12. Thing is a beast.

@DXCal09 5 лет назад

I have the 15 in, its a really good subwoofer digs down to 18hz, and very clean. The only problem is that the enclosure is huge.

@vusstoppyv4612 5 лет назад

I am in the process of building a 10" CSS subwoofer in a 1.5cu.ft. to 1.7cu.ft. enclosure with 2 12" passive radiators powered buy a Dayton Audio 500watt plate amp with built in DSP. Rough total cost $550-750 depending on whether or not I go with the passives or not.

@riteshdhoot7 5 лет назад

And that DIY sub of yours - Nice cube - its amazing job .. Shows your passion towards these things ;)

@TimpBizkit 5 лет назад

My system has a 24dB/octave high pass filter at 35.5Hz which is slightly below the tuning frequency of 40 in half space but slightly lowered by the corner they are in. Although I can still hear some bass down to 30 and then nothing. Obviously with the filter off, the coils would smack to shit if I cranked the volume to max. Unfortunately the voice coils in eminence speakers are quite easy to deform and get coil rub. I thought I'd smacked one of them through testing off a bridged Acoustic Solutions amp running without the high pass, although it turned out the amp just didn't like being bridged and made weird smacking sounds at high volume whereas my Peavey amps didn't but then the IPR1600 has much more power than an SP101. I panicked when I could hear coil rub pressing off centre and may have dinged it slightly but not enough to touch the magnetic gap in normal operation. The only way to tell would involve destroying the cone and spider.

@JoeBob79569 5 лет назад

My sub, Mordaunt Short 309i, kicked in at 30hz on the way up, and stopped at 25Hz on the way back down, it's rated at 35Hz. I picked it up on eBay recently for ~£60. Seems fine, but I'm a bit of a newbie..

@venturarodriguezvallejo1567 5 лет назад

Thanks, Joe, for another nice and well structured video! I've enjoyed the sweep tones, particularly, lookink to my KEF's drivers moving wild and no hearing one single thing until some 50 Hz or so 😄. Even at that freq, I had to put my ear very close to the drivers themselves and nothing to be proud of, to say the less. Since I acquired these particular speakers, I've thinking to add not one but TWO subs, one per channel. Is it a good idea or just a way to waste money? I've been thinking of the KEF Kubes given, I guess, they theoretically must have the same or almost the same sound "fingerprint". Am I wrong and any other GOOD and LINEAR sub will do the task? Thanks a lot, my friend.

@milesfozznick 4 года назад

My towers hit 28-ish Hz and up XD but I have a sub that stays off most of the time and it hits down to 12 Hz or so :) at around 12, yeah you dont hear it but you and the house feels it so its reallllly good for booms and explosions in movies

@Sonofholhorse 10 месяцев назад

I can not tell you how many times I have used to the bass frequency sweep with a microphone to do room adjustments, thanks as always Joe!

@MrWhoevr 4 года назад

No Polk subs? I’m out.

@hifiman4562 5 лет назад

34hz in my 2018 Freightliner. Sub is the Klipsch R-100SW. But I want 20hz so I'm on the hunt for another setup.

@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 5 лет назад

Hey joe nice review , For music listing i only use high level input for phase matching with front speakers I have the class AB Klispch refererence woofer or Rw-10d has amazing internal bracing and front ported ,the port starts at front middle bottom and goes runs inside to top back middle helps not to have to much shuffle paid 600.00 for it back in 09 its been solid until storm got it and burnt power supply ,i am going to fix It myself but i really want 2 new ones but it has to have high level input, i showed a video on how to hook a subwoofer up this way, Paul at P.S audio agrees with me on hooking up this way for music thanks for video very informative keep up the great work , But i dont understand why people just dont use one subwoofer between their 2 full range speakers for better level matching ?

@joentell 5 лет назад

I agree with high level inputs. People don't put a single sub between their 2 full range drivers perhaps because it might be the optimal place sound-wise or for practicality sake? Not sure. Just guessing

@ziggy8757 5 лет назад

oh boy great video...do another one like this one, including the bic f12 and the dayton sub 1200....those are very similar in price point and many people seem to love them

@joentell 5 лет назад

I'll make a note of your request.

@justinbeamon6624 5 лет назад

I have the Sub1500 and F12, I chose the sub1500. Yes it's bigger, but it's the same price, $200. Goes lower and seems more accurate. Would love to see a comparison of those.

@reginaldjohnson2047 5 лет назад

Is it possible that you can a replica one of the greatest tower speakers every made that they stopped making almost 20 years ago, the Infinity Overture 3.

@Eugene737 5 лет назад

Hey Joe, The SVS seems pretty flat and gets down to 19Hz +- 3db based on your reference/starting point. That seems pretty awesome for that small of a box. Wow. I have a few questions for you: What would be the benefit of getting a larger driver (i.e. SVS SB3000, SB4000, etc)? I looked at the SB3000 and SB4000 and the frequency gets down to 19Hz just like the 2000. It seems like one difference is how far up in frequency they can go: 220Hz for the SB2000, 310Hz for the SB4000. That seems it wouldn't matter to me as I wouldn't set the LowPass that high. So would the other difference simply be output/SPL and what does that mean? I have heard people recommending bigger subs for bigger rooms such that it has a chance to "pressurize" the room. Is this the same as output/SPL? I have a rythmik FV15HP from quite a few years ago, and just got it set up in our new house and it is too big for the space. So looking at getting (two) sealed subs that are at least half the size of what I have now.

@rich00273119 5 лет назад

Great comparison video! Thanks for all you do, peace!

@richarddegannes2928 5 лет назад

Hi Joe, what is your honest Opinion on SVS-SB2000 subwoofers and their Ultra Bookshelp speakers? I would like to hook up two subwoofers to these Ultra speakers? Thanks.

@joentell 5 лет назад

My friend just let me borrow the Ultras yesterday to compare to the Primes. Haven't had much time to mess with them. As far as the SB2000.... great. It's sealed so it's well controlled and it can go down to 19hz. The box is small relative to other subs that perform similarly. Only thing is it isn't cheap. Also build quality is top notch.

@richarddegannes2928 5 лет назад

@@joentell Thanks, Much Appreciated. What is your opinion on the Primes?

@joentell 5 лет назад

I reviewed them. Check it out. I'm honest in my reviews.

@airwolf1337 5 лет назад

but the video was cool, so i gave thumbs up :)

@MH-gy6qv 5 лет назад

I plan on eventually making an infinity kappa enclosure for a JL 12W6v2 that's been laying around for years. I have the box designed in CAD, just need to find time to make it and fork out the money for the crown audio amp I plan on driving it with. Been a little tricky as I want to run it in the 2 Ohm configuration and it's hard finding amp specs at that resistance.

@adarshshah9763 5 лет назад

Very informative video, I learnt a lot, thank you

@Mixing_It_Up 5 лет назад

Fantastic, Joe! You totally have me wanting to measure the response of my home theater subs lol. I am quite surprised and really pleased by the Elac sub and the white sub you built, those really seem to have great response curves that would fit nicely with some higher-end bookshelf or small towers. :) I mentioned the other day about being a speaker addict, I probably have 20 sets of speakers in my attic, and I would love to measure them to see how flat they are, what their bass extension is, etc. Is there some software you would recommend that I could use, and maybe a good cheap mic? Otherwise, I'll be using either my SPL meter on my phone or the old Radio Shack one, and plotting the responses out on graph paper. :D Great Video Joe!! As always!

@joentell 5 лет назад

UMIK-1 and REW software

@gavinbarrett2093 5 лет назад

I love watching these videos, wasn't really into audio before but I'm way into it...

@joentell 5 лет назад

That makes me happy!

@RoaroftheTiger 5 лет назад

Has anyone ever tested the Sub that came with the Logitech Z-2300 system ??? Beyond the Lowest note attainable. What is the Low Pass &/ Hi Pass Crossover Points between the Sub to the "full range satellites". Also, can a "well qualified tech" change these points ? I ask, because NOT only am I taking the " low budget - guerilla" approach,. But recently, I've been able to score a pair of BRAUN passive Compact Monitors - CM 5s (a 5 1/4 " mid-bass & 1" dome twitter similar to the Old Metal case version of the mid '70s; but in a special Low resonance enclosure). Not only am I hoping to pair the Brauns with the Logitech. But get a 2nd "2300" Woofer should it work ! …. HELP !

@joentell 5 лет назад

You can measure yourself using some apps on your phone. Lots of RTA apps. Not as accurate, but you'll get an idea.

@RoaroftheTiger 5 лет назад

I appreciate your quick reply. But, I am more concerned about It's Crossover Points. As I was hoping to match this Woofer with a "better quality", set of Satellite Speakers … Help ! ;)

@joentell 5 лет назад

That's what I meant. Use the RTA apps to figure out the crossover points. Or use a test one generator and run some sweeps from low to high, high to low, to see where the crossover points are.

@RoaroftheTiger 5 лет назад

@@joentell … Thank You

@vyoufinder 3 года назад

I picked up sound at 32 Hz with my subwoofer disconnected. 10" Pioneer speakers. Nothing fancy.

@davethestalker 3 года назад

I’d love to see a see a shootout between the ELAC Debut 2.0 Sub3030, SVS PB-1000 Pro & PB-2000 Pro. I’m in the market and the automatic tuning of the ELAC, after it calibrates the phone mic, is quite intriguing. Yes, the SVS Pros are adjustable, but REW doesn’t have a phone app and I don’t have a functioning PC. All 5 are DEAD.