Succession Season 3 Finale - The Secret to "Winning," and Why That Twist Happened 

Thanks to everyone who commented about the correction re: Greg telling Gerri about the press conference rather than Shiv! Oops. We're removing that part since we got that wrong. That scene on the car ride home does still feel significant, though, because of the way Tom looks at Shiv and how what THINKS happened changes his idea of her. And looking back, his initial response to the Cruises scandal to (sort of) "do the right thing" says a lot about who he was when we first met him.

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Lmao the wokeness of y’all with the “fascist” 😂 Nothing like a white liberal woman using the term “Narcissist” the wrong way.

Interesting point- to which I would add: Conor Roy was interested in politics from a very young age.

Shiv is the youngest sibling

AND HE IS THE ELDEST SON !

I am curious to know if his mom is still alive. All we know about her is that she was sent to a mental institution. If there's one thing we know about Logan's ladies is that his relationships with them always end very badly. Because Logan always must win no matter the cost.

I think Connor would make a better president than Trump

@@annejohnson5875 Maybe we’ll get to know more about his past in season 4… certainly a lot of dark stuff in there

@@LuisSierra42 Connie’s left shoe would make a better President than Trump.

One thing I have noticed about this show, everything keeps coming back around. Right before Tom & Shiv walk down the aisle. Shiv had to pause before saying I love you to Tom. Now season 4, Shiv, I don't love you. Pretty sad all of the double talk & manipulation this family does but they learned from the best. Logan always tells them what they want to hear & the kids never stop to think about what might he be manipulating me into for example. Logan wanted Shiv to quit the Democrat's Presidential Campaign. What did he do, he dangled the Succession role in her face. Then he manipulated her out of the role & made her believe she screwed it up.

He was killing the mood with that jacket on

But. Connor Roy was interested in politics from a very young age.

@callmecatalyst I thought something happened at ranch..

I was dying laughing at the end of the party when Kendall lost it and told him to take his jacket off🤣🤣

@@coolersspaceship7964 lmaooooo

Wylla is going to reveal she was interested in weddings from a very young age.

@@robrick9361 😂😂😂

Lol that’s why I’m excited for Connor and Willa’s wedding. It’s going to be a glorious shitshow

I just realised how true that is for a lot of dramatic media. Seems weddings and thanksgiving are the two times when shit goes the most wrong

@@Black_pearl_adrift it’s an excuse to bring a whole cast together. Then everyone can fight. I find it funny that Geri and Frank and Carl all get invited to Logan’s ex-wife’s wedding. I guess it’s just his entourage that travel where ever he goes, but they actually go to the wedding as guests.

Very much agree! I'm especially interested in how Greg might play into that as well. Their partnership is kinda exciting and with Tom's potential rise in this "game", I suspect there's gonna be a little bit more character growth for Greg the egg also

I really like how Greg's telling on Tom to Logan, backfired and did Logan pay attention to him more like this younger self. Also, we saw tom turning on the charm while doing his job as an actually competent businessman. So yeah, it's exciting, even though I think Shiv is going to take him down next season with a vengeance, he might end up being the new CEO

Its only a matter of time before he gets fucked over by Logan though. Just wait...

he's going to be Greg's lackie by the end of season 4 or 5

Yes, but pelease let's not sit here and pretend Tom hasn't done worse to other humans. Tom is just as vile.

It’s sad how he’s probably the closest thing they had to a father figure yet they treat him like shit

I think he really sees himself as their father.

and that's actually a form of abuse, parentifying one of your children to assume all the responsibilities and burdens of child-rearing

Right!! It’s so sad how in a later during Kendall’s asshole birthday party he made a huge fake mag cover about how Connor shit his pants during 1 of those same times he took them fishing.

And toward the end Kendall is talking and calls himself the eldest. Right in front of Connor’s face

Tom said it himself in the first episode "you know i may look very fun, but the thing about me is that I'm a terrible, terrible prick"

@@pigeon842 ohhh I love that- he said that to Gregg!

At that level everyone uses human beings as footstools

He also is a huge ass kiss. He knew who she was & loved what that brought with it. No matter what. Abuse & mockery from her brothers & Dad. To tell you the truth I don’t know why she was with him.

@@samanthab1923 that may true that shivs status may have played a part in toms attraction to her, he undoubtedly loves his wife. Shiv loves him also but it is not the same type of love

Perfectly said.

I agree. For a while we have seen him slowly trust Shiv less and less because he does not believe her love is genuine.

Yes he gave her many chances to bring him into the fold but she always pushed him further back. He did what he should've and had to

@@stevenoverlord Both professionally, emotionally, and sexually. Shiv could've promised him even an executive position or some sort of professional stability and she wouldn't. Fuck all the love or no love thing, she did nothing on any level of even a platonic relationship.

@@brettsilva6808 very true fellow silva 🙇‍♂️ happy new years health and wealth for you

Tom has made it clear from the very beginning that he has secretly wanted the top spot. He married Shiv strictly because that was his "in". Go rewatch S1. He constantly, CONSTANTLY pushes for Shiv to push for him to take on leadership positions within the company. Put simply, Tom may not have betrayed Shiv in this instance if she wasn't such a terrible wife, but rest assured he'd have eventually betrayed her for the top spot.

And I would argue, that Logan "failed" to raise competent kids bec. he is a narcissist afraid of being surpassed by his own kids. Reminds of French King Louis XIV, whose political creation burned down 70y after his death due to his failure/refusal to teach/share his legacy. (Not that I'm complaining, better a republic than rotten royalty).

I loved that episode as well, so amazing seeing everybody running around and improvising shit

@@moustik31 Logan didn't fail, his kids failed. He didn't want kids that only succeeded because of him, he wants them to do it on their own.

@@moustik31 Nothing is meant to last for ever. No man's legacy ever will last forever, because he does not. Logan only is alive when he's wielding a knife. He loves it and hates it all at the same time, because he cannot step off the wheel, until he falls down dead. And you cannot make a silk purse out of a pig's ear. And his children are pig's ears. They don't have his will to live, nor the intelligence, or courage to do what is necessary to be him. The fact that his dream of wealth and power had the seeds of its own destruction within from its birth is the realisation that is keeping him alive and fighting to his lonely and bitter end. He was born and lived for nothing else his whole life. He did what he set out to do, and he knows it is ultimately meaningless, because there will be no endpoint for him. He lives for and is kept alive by the process, not the result. He cannot sit back and rest on his laurels. Winning was everything he lived for, and his children haven't got that killer instinct. They can't even find the guts to walk away from him. One might say: 'why should they?' That's if you believe in individual potential. And perhaps that's our wishful nature, our need to believe that we are unique, and even the mediocre have value. They even might, but not in the world Logan excels in. They would not last 5 minutes, because they don't want it enough to do what's necessary, and you can't teach that. You are either that kind of person or you are not.

I wouldn’t say AlLL of them were incompetent, especially when Shiv managed to save the company without him.

Well, you do not know the details of the deal he made, hi might not have lost his entire empire

Unfortunately, the world (in the show) won't forget him. Anymore than ours will forget Trump.

@@probablyalive.2665 Eh, eventually everyone gets forgotten. It just takes longer for some. Only people like logan think that they’re eternal.

I agree.

He doesn't even value some long lasting legacy, he values power. I doubt he cares if the company goes bankrupt after he dies.

And Greg successfully lied to Tom, making Tom think it was Shiv. Gerri gave Greg the nod of approval for ratting Tom out. The seeds of mistrust were planted prior to the S3 finale betrayal, but you can't say the RECNY ball incident was one of the events that led to it.

I thought the same thing.....one of the best scenes of the series

yeah but shes gotten fatter

@@TheSportzBilly pandemic weight.

@@TheSportzBilly Fatter? As a man, I see her as thicker 😍🤤 I loved staring at Shiv this season

@@edwarlock8244 okay weirdo im just saying she gained a lot of weight actors dont do anything without purpose

@@TheSportzBilly so you're a teenager 😅

Greg is going to be much more well off, his family is rich. He did not grow up in lower middle class. Tom is questionable

Was this to do with the cruise thing?

"I fucking win" - Logan Roy.

this would be a wonderfully poetic ending

Breaking bad aye

I bet Tom would be at his side lol

@@causticgastrap2835 Yeah pulling the plug.

@@robrick9361 hopefully that would be super poetic

@callmecatalyst I am to emotionally invested in this series…

@@IdonotwantaUtubename We all are and you are 100% right.

@@rociogalarza550 I also not sure what is worse, If she would have told Gerri to stop him from making a mistake or the fact that she truly doesn't care about Tom's job performance.

I watched all 49 episodes in 13 days.

Hoping Ken becomes the CEO cause he was the one who gave Matsson the idea of buying out Logan

@@anwarfahaf4784 it's definitely not gonna be that simple, that's for sure 😂 it's Succession !

@@suthir_nadar yah thas why i hope

FACTS

They have all been emotionally been beaten and manipulated their entire life. Why do you think Shiv manipulates Tom so much? Because then she's not the victim. Ken is all over the place, he tries to manipulate people but then realizes it's not right. Roman sees it through his sexual disfunction. Someone needs to find him a dom to beat him sadly. Connor is just a wimp and scurries around joking with everyone & then poor me with a little insane sarcasm thrown. in.

Yeah they are all narcissistic sociopaths. They can barely process any real emotion around them. Being vulnerable and emotional is seen as an inconvenience.

Scary thought, but absolutely.

Ehh he already had it, i meaann his child are his own squid game no?

A baby is going to be her best play. This is actually hilarious. The funny thing is, it didn’t have to be this way, but the Roy children do not know how to treat people well because…they weren’t raised to do so. And it may be too late by the time they realize it. This show could be great therapy for a number of people LOL

That would play into Logan's hands. He would prefer to pass empire on to blood. Logan would find some underhanded way to take custody of the child away from Shiv and give custody to Tom, his preferred protege who could then become the legitimate regent to Logan's (and Tom's) ultimate heir long after he has passed from the scene. Alternatively, look for Tom to find some way to manipulate or trick Shiv into giving up some of her eggs that he can then impregnate and have planted into a surrogate mother with Logan's backing.

I don't know. I think you guys are heavily underestimating Shiv. She has more up her sleeve than a fucking baby. She is after all, Logan Roy's daughter. I don't think Tom has it completely in the bag.

this is such a misogynistic take

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Greg is my favorite character

Why the fuck are you watching this then

I'm so sorry that you're going through that I know what you're going through sadly

This!

bang on. Tom didnt show those signs. I can believe Ken would have those feelings of insecurity with Rava but not Tom. He was ready to play supportive husband but get something for that support. He did get wealth, but it was fickle and the emotional abuse did nothing but erode his support and love. Theres a difference between being a supportive so and a emotional punching bag. nothing alpha beta about that.

the take...so woke

@@alexo.883 the take isn't woke, Shivs manipulation is.

Well their relationship was never healthy on both ends tho. We all know why Shiv was a shit person in the relationship, anyone can see that. But you all forget that Tom probably wouldn't be with Shiv if she wasn't who she was. Tom is an opportunist and a social climber. It's clear he wants in on the family's power and prestige and although he loves Shiv, he definitely uses that marriage to get closer to power. And even uses Logan's near death to propose to Shiv as to not face any added disapproval. Their relationship is unhealthy because the power imbalance and how Shiv constantly uses it at her disposal knowing Tom can do little about it, because guess what? Tom will continue to suck up and be abused because he lusts for their power. If you are always asking "what's in it for me" in terms of power position at your job in a relationship, it was never going to be healthy.

My question is, pursuant to US Law, is it possible that a requirement to have an approval in place for change of control is included/governed under a prenup? Because at least from where I come from, I have never seen a prenup with such provision, usually it’s Shareholders Agreement or Bylaw/article of association that governs such right. So, if Logan wants to amend such provision, at least other shareholders must be involved in the discussion not just caroline.

Maybe that's the next season's scenario?

@@miniro9159 you’re fully correct. The problem with the change or amendment of the divorce settlement (not divorce) is that original directive was already executed and possession of the shares and votes were issued. On that alone a judge would object to the sale of Waystar. Now of a judge let’s them proceed, the board would have to get a vote on the amendment of the Trust’s bylaws. Only then could there be a vote to sell Waystar. Keep in mind, the kids have grounds for a lawsuit against their parent and the board of Waystar and that lawsuit could devalue Waystar (see Viacom). So no, although on paper this is possible of all obstacles are cleared but there is no way the kids would (or should) allow that. *****And most of all, it could never happen as quickly as we’ve seen on the show and never.. NEVER with just one agreemnt (amend to the divorce). I also question if one of those attorneys in that suit was Logan’s personal attorney because no Waystar lawyer could draft that amendment to his divorce agreement or help negotiate any changes to his divorce. That is a conflict of interest.

None of of that matters, it's a TV show, they do what they want, it doesn't have to be real or legal.

I think that’s why she didn’t immediately flip and slap Tom when she knows he betrayed her…she’s planning her next move and what to do with the pregnancy and Tom.

That's what a child does

@@Chris-rg6nm no that’s what a rebel does

@@Nunofyabizzzzz A rebel learns to fly

There is on scene where Shiv asks him to tell one reporter to say something he disagrees with. She insists and he replies with what would it look like me taking orders from you.

@@SGNITTEZ I see your point. I’d read that scenario as one that confirms a sexist society because of how Tom, Shiv, and their imagined wider public conceive of gender roles. However, within the relationship, Tom isn’t exactly concerned with being the “alpha”. He merely wants Shiv to help him appear stronger (albeit in a retrograde sexist way). He’s negotiating (almost pleading) with Shiv when he raises that point, which should signal he’s not trying to dominate the relationship but merely wants to maintain an appearance of masculine strength to others.

@@spewter I agree with how you see it. He knew Shiv was who she was, strong personality and all when he married her. I just don't think her realized how manipulative she was or how much she lied.

Don't forget Greg came on strong from the beginning! Despite just meeting ( remeeting) uncle Logan he stops him forcibly at Thanksgiving despite being brushed off by Logan, and makes his cause for getting rehired. Then he shoves himself in the car with Marcia and Logan and already starts strategizing for his grandfather's board seats. I only caught that upon rewatching the show!

@@stevenoverlord, he really was very brazen and completely oblivious to the fear that Logan instills in everyone. I was cringing at Greg's tenacity and mentally muzzling him! You could just hear Logan and Marcia's brains ticking away in that car hahaha!

but he has changed now

What that lefty woke liberal BS. Kendall appeared competent cause that's all he knows how to do. All the kids only know how to appear competent. That's why the last epsidoe started with them playing monopoly.

@@robrick9361 I'm lost mate

@@robrick9361 xD

@@robrick9361 i don't completely disagree with what you said, but when a sentence starts off like that it tickles me.

Interesting. The show’s creators deliberately make him more and more attractive in Season 3. We see more of his height - towering over everyone bar Greg - and his suits get sharper, culminating in the beautiful white linen example in the final. And he gradually gets more assertive starting perhaps with him telling Kendall that while KR is often fxxked, Logan never is. For once he is not equivocal and says exactly what he thinks, regardless of the possible consequences of annoying Kendall.

Alexander Skarsgård will be back next seson and he will play a major role.

Except Conner’s character is boring and his girlfriend is worse. Every time they come on the screen I roll my eyes. If they highlight them they need to give them some depth instead of having them whine all the time.

As opposed to how they actually did it. Nothing won't that way either. But that way it gives audience some time, albeit short, to figure out it was Tom. It's super minor but would like to test.

He is an ugly character. Just as manipulative as Logan. If he wanted Greg to not work for Logan, he would have offered him an out.

No Tywin cared about his legacy Logan doesnt the Roys are more like the Freys

@@wd3606 all the houses in the got you think of frays??? They're definitely lannisters.

GOT references are SO LAME. Move on...

@@wd3606 Logan wants nothing more than to have one of his kids to be smart enough to pull it off but sadly no one is.

Probably their patreon, if they have one.

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Bingo I love that you mentioned this because that’s exactly why shiv chose Tom but little did she know he’s a wolf I’m sheep’s clothing

The take has it bang on that Shiv thinks she’s the smartest person in every room. She lacks observation skills on discerning what other people wants, thus can never truly close any deals. The one brilliant moment from her is to talk the cruise ship victim out from testifying in congress. That scene she is manipulative and understanding the weakness of the other person. Unfortunately, other people at her level in Succession are far more cunning and ambitious so Shiv’s cannot match.