SUFFERING | EPIC: The Musical Animatic (Thunder Saga) 

Yes! I had fun drawing that part not gonna lie. 😂

They animated it exactly how I imagined the scene. Might be my knowledge from the source material knowing there were really only 2 routes Scylla or Charybdis and Scylla was actually the one that would lose Ody less men.

​@@yuukinoyuki9064 Canonically, that's what's listed as the only way, but it seems weird that Odysseus of Epic would think the siren is being truthful about that.

@@eowynsisterdaughter I mean, it's down to how you interpret the song. I interpreted it as the Siren was willing to tell Odysseus anything to get him in the water, but a lie would have been more risky. A reknowned sailor would notice if she told him to sail in the wrong direction or something. I also never interpreted it as Odysseus taking her at her word. He already knew who Scylla was and the cost of sailing through her lair. So to me this was a case of Odysseus couldn't think of a way home, but as soon as the Siren said Scylla's lair he realized - with his own nautical knowledge - that it was a viable path. He'd just never thought of it precisely because of the cost. Also, the Siren's beg for mercy in the next song. If I was Odysseus I'd have thought they'd have bargained with their knowledge if there was a safer route to take.

@@yuukinoyuki9064 It's more her saying, 'it's the only way', sure it's a way, which means it could theoretically be a lie while still being kind of true; didn't seem like a huge risk, and the siren is answering as "Penelope" not a siren. Odysseus deciding to go that way also, to me, reflects how he's in the middle of his ruthless villain arc. He could've taken longer to consider a different way or a different method, while snacking on siren tails, but he's currently relying more on expedient ruthlessness than cunning, and see's Scylla's lair as the fastest option. I do agree that he could've been gauging the validity of the route by seeing if any sirens offered a different way when he started slicing them up. Though they'd also be likely to lie at that point to save their own skins, even if only temporarily.

@@eowynsisterdaughter That's fair. The other way would have been to try and appease Poseidon or to try and beg Athena for guidance again. So I do think going with Scylla does show Odyesseus embracing Ruthelessness by risking his men instead of trying another avenue. I just don't interpet it as him foolishly believing the Sirens. To me it's not that he chose to sail through Scylla's lair, it's that he didn't try to outsmart Scylla, that show just how little Odysseus cares anymore. He could have kept the Sirens on board and used them to feed Scylla's heads. Or made fake men to hold the torches. Or tried to lure Scylla out. Or even just try and talk to her. But Odysseus was just over it.

I totally agree, this animation is more serious, deeper and more direct

That's mainly cause in the livestream it says he shoots penelope with a bow. Plus if memory serves in the Odyssey, Odysseus' is a very proficient bowman.

I hadn't noticed that before 😮

But if she eats humans and also a mermaid

He be rizzing up the siren

@@jasmineye1106 I don't blame her. I'd be jumping onto the ship instead. Heck, maybe he's part siren on his father's side.

In there defense, if Penelope was floating in the water the whole time, Odysseus would probably be like “are you just… swimming out here?” If you know what I mean.

@@MrGavoToYouand Sirens from this myth would be more similar to harpies than mermaids so the rock isn’t a bad roost

​@@MrGavoToYou In theory that is the reason their sing is so alluring right? To make the mind of their preys go numb

@@plaicbell9586 yes.

But for real….why he kinda 👀…my hand slipped I guess. 😂

@@brittpowwpixel !!! It did a little more then slip!

Frr 😭

And thats WHY I think he actually is smiling a lot!! Because he wants the siren to belive, he's sooo falling for this trap

You should see the first ever animatic I did he had a glow up for real. 😂

Thank you!!❤️

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Thank you so much! Definitely planning on it I figure it’s a tall order but I’m up for the challenge! 😁

@@brittpowwpixel You could call it… A veritable odyssey?

FR

Also, the Siren is a good actor because she really seemed to be getting quite... Excited to makeout with Odysseus.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gtKNgFftV5Y.html Recently found this Thunderbringer one and it is awesome

No Disney does not deserve their talent

@@AhmedBalahim FRRR but rlly though where is the ETM movie

I agree

I think the shaking is supposed to mimic the waves. Odysseus is on a ship, after all.

I didn't even notice any shaking.

For the wave affect and some tension…artistically speaking. 👍🏽❤️

You know when I first listened to it I sat there just mouth agape like….?! What?!! Ody??? On one hand I get it he just really is leaning into that monster energy but is it the sirens fault that their diet is humans? So I do feel a bit bad if it were me I’d probably let them go and threaten them or something to scare them. Also thank you!! ❤️

@@brittpowwpixel No problem I thank you for replying. I asked the same question to other people and 99% was yeah they deserve it, they are monster's. That made me really sad because it's saw's that people don't know what is A REAL monster and that they don't have a lot of compassion for the other person.(Edit) The message too is very bad because the story want's to teach us to be ruthless to survive , which is A VERY VERY bad think to teach.

Yeah that’s very true.

I mean… on one hand, its good to show mercy when you can. On the other, the modern world has kind of perpetuated a very black and white view of morality. It’s either this belief that you should be kind to everyone and show endless compassion or this everyone for themselves. To be honest, I think Epic has done a good job of showing that it isn’t that simple. In my personal experience, I have a disability and people will show their true colors quickly. I abide by the rule of ‘start nice, but take no BS’. I will always start out the nice one who tries to help, but if someone else hurts me or someone I care about? Those gloves can and will come off. Never strike first, always strike last. After being sexually assaulted, facing a lifetime of discrimination, frequently seeing the ugliest sides of humanity, and constantly having to deal with some pretty awful people, I have found that you have to defend yourself if necessary. If you shy away from confrontation when it matters, you’ll find yourself completely screwed over and possibly seriously hurt. If you are too quick to confront, then you’ll just end up hurting both yourself and other people for no reason. You have to set a standard for yourself and others. Have enough self respect to both stand up for yourself and maintain your own moral values. The Siren would have killed him and his men. She and her friends were ready to attack him. Upon being attacked, Odysseus captured them. There’s no police to hand the Sirens to. No way to conveniently lock them up or keep them away for sure. So Odysseus did whatever was necessary to keep them from following him even if it meant they died, because they would kill him if he didn’t. As Odysseus said, the Siren wouldn’t show him mercy if the Siren and him had swapped places. If you are certain that someone won’t return your kindness and have good reason to suspect they will hurt you for it, then that person does not deserve your kindness. And if we’re going off “well. Humans are part of a Siren’s diet, so it’s not their fault.” Children were part of the diet of a mountain lion in my area once. That didn’t stop the city from having it hunted down and killed after it kept going after kids. It’s harsh. It’s cruel. It saves lives. I guess it really comes down to this: What are your morals for? Protecting your friends/family? Protecting yourself? Defending your actions? Making a statement? Would you rather save thirteen friends or twenty strangers? It would be altruistic to save the strangers, but no one is going to judge you if you only save your friends. If a stranger attacks you, but you manage to get the gun, would you shoot? It’s not morally sound to kill someone, but no one is going to judge you if you kill in self defense. And is all that the hill you want to die on? What good is mercy if you show it to a burglar and he then kills three people immediately? What use is kindness when your own words are used to hurt you? If you could save one boy, but that boy would grow up to build the device that destroyed humanity… Would you?

@@rachelicey604 I'm soo sorry for what happened to you. We don't know what the siren's would have done if ody decided to spare them they cried and begged for him to spare them, Ody didn't ask them to spare him, he didn't ask them to help, he tricked them and after killed them. If you end a life you don't know what that life could have been the future. I know the world is cruel and there are bad people but in today's world we are to quick to call something evil or a monster or to just kill it. If you go to the saying eye for eye then people just go go blind also what do you do if the REALL monster has more eyes that you (Figurative). People don't know what really monsters are and not "Monsters" just evil people have you met a person that want's to be truly be evil truly be the worst version of themselves, NO you haven't I know believe me, I do know those kind of people and they are not dead just evil and I can tell you if those people exist then the siren's are as harmless as scared dog ( they can only bite again figurative) ) Those people torture and and they laugh and they try to be even worse. So if instead of ody killing the siren's he could told them his story I'm 70% they would even help him because siren's aren't the lepord you mentioned they are some kind of human so they can changed for the better they can just eat fish when they learn that there food they ate for soo long gave them mercy when it could just kill them, They would have remembered the kindness and the mercy of the person(food) that could easily kill them but he(it) didn't and they would be thankful. Now they might be even more dangerous they might be even more evil. There is a saying: Evil attracts evil but kindness and mercy attract love, mercy AND evil. Again I'm sorry that happened to you and if you want we can talk about it (IF YOU WANT). Just remember be better not the same (as the monster's or the bad people).