Suikoden Lore: The Suikoverse Timeline 

Suiko2 and 5 are definitely my favorite.

I own #2 still do no I won't sell it

Glad someone said it! 2 will always have a special place in my heart but I was shocked how enjoyable and well done 5 was.

O Von Rothbart indeed, that and a remake of Suikoden 1 and 2, a remaster of 3, 4 and 5. I say release all of this on both XB1 and Switch too for maximum market saturation.

Someone needs to totally disband Konami and better if square enix buy suikoden's assets and rights

Not believe on Konami anymore

@@ronank2432 square enix also sucks now most game studios suck now

Ronan Biong hell not square Enix

That's another great way to pay tribute. We hadn't put that together but that's awesome. Thank you.

Having a base near water is a tactical advantage as it limits the point of entry (unless u are dealing with submarines or amphibious frog ninjas)

With Dwarfs, Elves, Kobolds, Wingers, Lizard people, Cat people, Beaver people and Mermaids, we can't rule out the possibility of amphibious frog ninjas.

I just realize it, after playing it since the first time i got psone :D

Beaver is pretty close to Amphibious Frog Ninja, except the fact that they are a Beaver.

Those will always hold a special place in Tarren's heart, first two he played, first two he loved.

We did know the 1st thing. Did not know the second thing.

Viki sneeze in suikoden v, she goes to suikoden 1 > 2 > 3

i never got the ending scene that prince leaving, i played it multiple times too. wth

that means that Viki is going from 4>5>1>2>3 damnnn

@@farahani8291 . The entire Viki thing is totally screwed up. Technically she goes from S1-5 in order, thus the reason she tells the Prince she has met Jeane a lot if times in many different places, yet when she sees Lorelai she doesn't recognize her. I really think that the developers themselves didn't put much attention to what they were doing with her progression in the game.

Nale Animation epic story

Tarren: "They've already been responded and liked it's fine to leave it." Isaac: "But I don't agree with them, I like Suikoden 4 more." Tarren: "But I do agree with them." :P Love the series guys.

Can we agree though that Nanami letting her adopted brother think she's dead just so she can have a vacay is a really dick and selfish move though? Never liked that aspect to the story.

Son of Tiamat for the longest I thought she was killed in battle because I didn't understand the stars of destiny

Son of Tiamat I always interpreted it as she just couldn't cope anymore and she was hoping Riou would stop fighting and let someone else take over then she'd find him. Still a dick move though

von bulanadi we need a whole series remake

@@nickochioneantony9288 A spiritual successor to Suikoden named Eiyuden Chronicle has been announced. It's being developed by Suikoden veterans and the kickstarter is live and mighty successful: www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabbitandbearstudios/eiyuden-chronicle-hundred-heroes/description

@@nyaaaaaan yes, i already checkin on it... thx for your info

No, thank you. After all the disappointment I had with the remakes of RE2, RE3, and FF7, I am super okay with continuing playing original Suikoden 2, which is also my favorite game ever. I don't want them to ruin it with their "rEiMaGiNaTiOn".

Well guess what

Thanks, glad you like the video :)

cipater yeah I had to rewind a few times to make sure I heard it right

Hey it's my favorite too, mainly cuz of suikoden tactics and kika

Matty K ick, tactics. Fun fact, 4 and tactics is basically what killed the franchise.

Pigbenpus Wow "fun fact" lol sure. That definitely explains why they still made suikoden 5 and a multitude of portable games afterwards. No game killed the franchise, the franchise died because the developer team disbanded, and it was no final fantasy for konami to be interested in keeping it alive.

Matty K no, he's right. SIV, as much a I liked it killed its potential mainstream market. Suikoden V is just a last ditch to save the franchise from obscurity but commercially failed badly as the aftermath of SIV flop. Tierkries and the PSP game aren't even considered a real Suikoden game.

Thomas story is optional, tho. Far from being the main character

@@SeventhheavenDK When playing his chapters I started doubting that... Well I at least thought that he was less optional than Hugo. Man were the 3 main paths not equal; I liked Chris best of them and Hugo worse; if you include Thomas then Thomas was 2nd best of the 4. Hugo always felt like an after thought when I compared him to the other 3 storylines. That one black chick in his party was a decent addtion to that team (I think bow and arrow were her weapon); she was an awesome Earth magic person that I found indespensible. The roguish old man with queen and jack on his team was both interesting and to long as chapters; he is in 3rd because his story was not concise but I liked it otherwise, also his team was fun to fight with for me... unlike Hugo or early Thomas. Chris is my fav in part because I dig female knights; I also felt that without her part then the majority of the story would not work. Hugo may have been central to the plot but Chris actually felt important where Hugo was told as if he was. Her party was one of the funnest because she was not overpowered in comparrison to her companions. Best characters of the game though is Vikki (young and old).

They were sooo good!

Same sentiment here

You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it. :)

Aye, it's 4 that takes place in the distant past and it is considered the weak link of the series I might add.

You forgot that Lorerai is also on V? She is not that old on II.

Matty K it doesn't really tie the whole setting together, it just adds more details for 4. It's also technically a prequel as well since the opening mission is before the events of 4

Pigbenpus Wow yes I am aware. However the whole multiverse concept was at the core of the game's story. That gives confirmation that tierkreis is actually canon as well. I don't think any mainline game's story relied so heavily on the multiverse concept than tactics.

It alright for an SRPG, but nowhere near the best.

Matty K the multiverse is the worst part of Suikoden lmao it's so fuckin stupid

suiken personal preference I guess. I just haven't seen an srpg implement elements and spellcasting the way suikoden tactics did. Plus it adapted the spells, runes and combo attacks from the main series seamlessly.

It's been years since I posted there. I wonder if it's still kicking.

Agree...

We had never heard of Vandal Hearts. But would be happy to do something, Is there something specific you would want to see done?

Two Men and a Mic it was another konami game that came out about the same time as suikoden 1 but if you never heard of it you never heard of it no big deal

We're still more than willing to do a lore if you have a specific request. Something you want the (Albeit at this time a small part of) the rest of the world to see?

Nanda Rizki how exactly is it a sim?

Pigbenpus Wow sorry, its castle building simulation ,its like rts but its not, Im not really sure what to call it.

Nanda Rizki uh, your castle opens more areas as you get more stars of destiny. Nothing very rts or sim-like about it. It's just an unlock

Pigbenpus Wow do you forget about strategic war? yeah, I know its too far if you compare it with the rts game, but that the best we get at that time

Even though we don't have a PS4 (yet) That would be awesome!

ted 100++ years old?

all bearer true rune is immortal as long as didnt die by illness or killed. and yes he get rune shen yuber neclird windy kill his village ted run while hold soul eatet

How he got Soul Eater back. His village was already destroyed by the time Sukoden 4 happened.

Full disclosure, we wrote and researched this two years ago. We have no recollection at this point.

You’re correct. George was the 6th great general. He departed to Falena after Kalleka due to his friendship with Ferid.

We know he was threatened, that's true. As far as whether that was his actual motivator, or other reasons, or both, is slightly less clear.

May I ask why Luca spares Jowy instead of straight up killing him?

He feels that he can some use out of Jowy.

Because the central point of the plot really is the conflict between the Sword and Shield runes. Jowey's plot is therefore incredibly important, as they were destined to have to clash with each other. Their stories mirror each other in multiple ways, in order for the destined conflict between them to happen.

Really, equal time should have been given to both rune bearers tbh.

@@GoochTaylor . No, at all.

We actually have a video on Suikoden Tactics right here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8RMliFu4yaw.html hope you enjoy!

That would be a very long series, lol, but we enjoy the games and could see possibly doing that in future.

Having played through the game again Isaac can't disagree. Most of his opinion about Suikoden 4 definitely came from his love for the game series stemming from 4 being the first one he played. But when compared with the others, it's super short, without digging into it or assuming allot of stuff it's comparatively sparse on story and let's face it as soon as you can teleport hardly anyone sails unless absolutely necessary. (telling me at least that it was definitely not the best mode of travel). All of that being said. Isaac still loves it for the characters, As you mentioned one of the greatest leaders of all time in Lino en Kuldes, Not just a King but a true leader. The COOLEST RUNE in the game series. (again IMO) I also loooove boats, sailing ships, all of that. And while super easy to over lvl if you never run the game still has challenges along the way. And yes Ritapon is amazing. :P Suikoden Tactics is also very fun. But I can agree that the additional story points would have been better to include in 4.

Yes, Luc is the hidden bad guy masterminding everything in Suikoden 3.

iqbal abdillah yes, he is indeed the main antagonist of Suikoden 3, along with Yuber, Sarah and a few others.

We thought it's mentioned in this video, if we didn't you can check out our video on Ted himself. But the timeline is accurate. Ted does appear in Suikoden 4, yes. But in Suikoden 1 when we get a shot of his history, where it's revealed that he's several hundred years old. In fact he'd been alive for (if we remember correctly) more than a century before Suikoden 4 happens. So he's just old. Link to Ted's Video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N8hxKGrW9E4.html

ted bring soul eater not rune of punishment

Possibly? We of course, don't know any more than you, lol!

Actually no, and precisely the Falenna family having silver hair was one of the reasons they gave Jeane pink hair in SuikoV, so people would not confuse her as part of them.

Yep, and we actually did a lore video on it, linked here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8RMliFu4yaw.html

We only did the core games in this timeline, we do have specific video on Tactics though.

They are good games, ya :)

Right here! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8RMliFu4yaw.html

Here's our video on Tactics: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8RMliFu4yaw.html

after long wait, remaster is in switch, yeah...

@@0niSouL is it fix? When? Will it be a Remaster or a Remake??

@@Princeharrythethird coming to switch this year, remaster version, mid year or later, i think around june july

@@0niSouL to switch? Wow i thought only for PS4 Store. Will they onl fix the graphics to HD for switch & ps4? Or will they add special Things?

@@Princeharrythethird i havent read much about it all i know is suikoden 1 and 2 will be coming together as one. pre-order can be place now. maybe look at other youtube to see if there are any new news.

Tierkreis is not a "Cannon" game. By that we mean that it does not take place in the same universe/planet, etc. As Suikoden 1-5. in fact it doesn't even imply a rune mechanic, replacing it with instead chronicles for magic. So while for some reason it shares a name with the games and even similar play styles it's not a core game and doesn't make it into the core game timeline.

Using some imagination and fanfiction capabilities, you could call Tierkries the "Million Worlds" dimension of the main series. Thanks, Templeton 2018. @@TrueMastersandMorons

Not main numbered title perhaps?

Anything specifically from the Star Ocean(s) you'd like to see?

So as mentioned: We only covered the core games, which means no Suikoden Tactics (though we did give Tactics its own video, link here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8RMliFu4yaw.html) As for the DS and PSP games, Tierkries and Genso Suikoden, those are neither considered canon, nor, even if they were, are they in the same world as the core games. Thus, canon or not, they don't share the same story, because they don't take place in the same world. (One of them doesn't even have runes for its magic system.) Hope that clears things up, and sorry if we missed details from 2 and 3.

@@TrueMastersandMorons and I am glad you only covered the main titles, personally I am not interested in the spin offs.

and Luc 150++ years old??

Mine is similar just change 3 with 4.

You didnt mention 1 & 4?

@@timtams_6 1&4 stat mechanic are same as 2, but less detailed because it doesn't tell you how much the stats grows when the char level up

That is true, you are absolutely correct. For brevity we simply focused on the full 108 star, "best ending" scenarios for each of the games, touching only lightly on the other possible endings.

Abaaaa naglalaro ka din pala netoooooo aha! :D

If you count spin offs then also tierkreis and tsumugareshi

Tactics is in the main story tho i belive, Tier and Tsum are not

If we recall accurately you're correct. We simply decided to focus on the numbered installments to save time and for thematics. So, short answer, yes, we are missing Tactics, ironically we figured we'd have people asking about the other two games if we did include it, guess that happened anyway, lol.

Haha aa :) there are also 2 Visual novel stile Japanese only games that taks plase during suikoden 2 as well but yes i can understand only useing the nuberd ones.

Nothing happened between them. It was just Victor's way of saying he is feeling older.

🙄

How so?

@@Blues3088 "Liberation Army" vs. "Imperial Army"/"The Scarlet Moon Empire"? The "underground resistance" trope when 1st meeting Odessa in "LENANKAMP"??? Attempting to save & liberate victims of genocide (Elves' Village)/(WWII)? Most of the game is about saving the lower classes from the wealthy, tyrannical Empire.

@@d.c.8828 Those concepts all predate Marxism in the real world. They have nothing to do with it LOL

Fauzi Muhammad 4 dulu baru tactics

Lol tactic dlu bro,lu lupa scene diawal tactic sihero suikoden 4 sama snow msh kecil???

Iya sih.. tp itu flashback, current timelinenya waktu story post suikoden 4 ..

Only the very begining of tactics takes place before 4. But the majority of it takes place after 4. So, it shold be Tactics, 4, Tactics, 5, 1, 2, 3. But he clearly said he was only counting the main series because you also have the gaiden games.

No prob! :)

Tactics got its own video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8RMliFu4yaw.html