Summary of Changes - X-Wing 3.0 Rules Recap with New Documents 

For those looking for a list builder, LaunchBayNext has updated their app to reflect the new building rules.

As an actual newbie who has a core set and 2 other ships but hasn’t actually been able to play yet, I definitely don’t find these changes LESS confusing

Last night, a bunch of us sat down at our LGS to discuss this. The consensus was to go with house rules and drop AMG and the existing X-Wing rules. The store owner has already cleared out Armada and won’t be carrying X-Wing from here out. He said, “I suppose they’ll be killing Legion next.”

Yeah I'm giving up on X-Wing. It's 1.0 all over again with the printouts and insane choices they made. Time to sell my collection while the market is good.

I really appreciate your dedication to the hobby. I have one thing to say. Even though opinion pieces have been driven to the ground. And in no way am I trying to start a fire storm. I'll admit I see some merits to some of these changes. Like the idea of ROAD and making the game more intuitive for beginners. - I digress. I have been playing X Wing since 2016. I was very open minded to 2.0 coming out. I actually really liked it and ended up converting all of my 1.0 ships to 2.0. And being that I mostly played epic in 1.0 I made use of 90% of all the 5 conversion kits. I would say close to half of my inventory consists of ships from 1.0 that haven't received a 2.0 official release. When AMG came through my biggest worry as an enthusiast for this hobby came true yesterday. I saw a lot of this in the making as I attended the last LVO as my first 2.0 tournament and was last minute told I could only play "black box" I had to change my list to a list I didn't practice and ships I rarely flew which ended as one would assume. I kept my spirits high and sportsman like with all of my opponents there. However I left the competition feeling left out. With AMGs final decisions for the points changes and solidifying their format changes and other rules, I feel like my inventory is irrelevant which is very upsetting after shelling out for the conversion kits. As I've seen many other people counter argue that I can still just play 2.0 rules. I'll press these issues that some of the older players are facing. I'll never be able to play an official 2.0 tournament again after missing out during the pandemic and other life circumstances, I have a strong lack of confidence my older expansions will be compatible for years to come even if I tried to conform to 2.5, I've invested in other 3rd party apps out of my pocket like Launch Bay Next who seemly dropped all support for 2.0, and lastly if I just stay with 2.0 I won't get any more needed points adjustments and future releases will not be available to me since they will be formatted to 2.5 (it's not as simple as multiplying the ship cost by 10). I think it's amazing that AMG wants to make this hobby more palatable for new players. I have a friend who just got into the hobby and I've pressed him to take in 2.5 even though my feelings are completely twisted about it. There's nothing in it for new players to lose. However I'll end my statement by saying a decent sum of the older players feel alienated. And to leave us in the dust after all we've had to endure to enjoy this hobby with 2.0 the pandemic and now 2.5 feels disappointing to say the least.

I cannot see how a new player would find this simpler than 2.0. Light-saber!

And incase people arent aware YASB is already updated for list building

I feel that this removes flexibility from lists, and I don't know whether this will be a good change or a bad one. It forces people to put upgrades on ships that would normally be taken without upgrades. For me, I liked the flexibility and I feel that this is trying to force players to play certain ways which I don't like.

I really hope that quickbuilds will stay a beginning player/first time player thing, because a lot of the fun for me comes from building lists and discusing them. Thanks for the summary :)

Thanks for covering these. I appreciate the calm discussion and presentation. I’m a pretty invested player, having played since the time of Wave 5 of 1.0, and I have at least one of every ship in the game. Epic was and remains my favorite way to play, but I did take part in lots of local tournaments and had a great time. I sadly haven’t played in about 2 years due to the pandemic, but I still try to keep apprised of information. And I have some thoughts… Wow. These changes are… something. I am not a fan of most of them, for many reasons. I’m all for making things more welcoming to new players. But there are some problems with this approach. A big issue is that every Core set currently on store shelves has incorrect rules. An updated version is necessary, but when will it arrive? Three months from now? Six? This isn’t just, “Oh, that functions a little differently now.” This is full-on, “The rules you know have drastically changed.” I’m fine with doing away with point bids. They were annoying and the system they incentivized basically pushed for Ace-Wing and stupid deep bids. While I haven’t played in a while, I remember people doing 14+ point bids for their I-6 pilots. However, I am not a fan of rolling for first player every round after dials are down. I expect it will slow down play, and I feel it takes away from strategy. Heck, I would have preferred just alternating the first player. That way, you could at least plan around it. This is a strategy game, after all. While the squad building changes may very well simplify things for new players, there are some pretty significant issues. Allotting every single ship a certain number of points for upgrades puts you in a position where not using the Loadout Points is the objectively wrong decision. Previously, you had to make a choice between upgrades, ships, pilots, and so on. (Plus, Epic/Huge Ships got ignored… again. So even were I to get back to playing tomorrow, I could not actually use my Huge Ships with clear rules and would instead have to guess.) Furthermore, there are going to be plenty of ships where there is no incentive to take a lower initiative pilot. Looking through the new Ship Points, a perfect example is the T-70 X-Wing. Blue Squad Rookie, Red Squad Expert, and Black Squad Ace are all 5 points. They have mostly the same upgrade bar, with Blue losing out on a Talent. But Black Squad, already the highest Initiative of the lot, has 10 points worth of upgrades versus Blue’s 4 and Red’s 2. Why would you ever choose to take Blue or Red over Black, aside from theme? And if you drop Blue’s squad cost to 4, now that means 5 T-70s, which seems a little much, and they would be equal to every T-65 generic pilot but with more upgrade slots. Low Initiative used to at least have incentive as a cheaper option and blocker, screwing up opponent’s actions, but the Range 0 and new overlapping rules basically remove that option. Speaking of the new overlapping and Range 0 rules, those are quite different. I like the idea of punishing fortressing. But I don’t like the idea of nerfing blockers. If you were able to predict your opponent’s move and shut them down, you should be rewarded. Now, you’re really not, apart from denying your opponent a temporary position. I do like pushing for more scenario-based play. I missed the silly little missions included in the 1.0 boxes. They could be lots of fun! And to be honest, the plain deathmatch could get tiresome. So I’m all for that change. I wish they still included missions/scenarios in the large boxes, but that’s another issue entirely. I get the round limit. I played in a fair number of local tournaments, so I’m more used to a game timer, but I understand the idea. I’m not terribly fond of the idea of flipping a counter to signify it, but I can live with it. Overall, I feel like these are really hefty changes, some good and others not, IMO. I may be proven wrong, but I have some serious concerns with them and the health of the game going forward.

I don't like it. Now that that's out of the way, the thing that's bugging me about this new system is that it really just feels like it's being done for the sake of it. AMG going 'this is our game now, so we have to make our own rules for it'. When 2.0 came out, I was skeptical but could at least see why the changes were being made, and I ended up really enjoying it. This time, I just can't see what they were trying to fix, or why. Their explanation doesn't make sense, because this seems to me that it will make it _harder_ for new players, not easier. And I really have no interest in having to check spreadsheets and documents to play a game while waiting for apps to pop up, assuming they will. I can't imagine that many of the people who made third-party list builders are going to be happy about starting from scratch. This just seems like a solution looking for a problem. I'll still give it a chance, but it's going to be a hard sell.

I really don't know if I'll be going down this ROAD.. As others have said, this really amounts to what should be a new box set.. and I don't know if people would accept that, let alone actually be able to find it with supply issues.

If AMG are refusing to update/make a new list builder app, that completely goes against their ethos of making things easier from their announcement yesterday. I don't enjoy staring at paper lists and numbers to build my squads. Sigh. They really need to release a new "core box" type pack. I just don't want to print and play a 1.5 range finder! 🤦🏻‍♂️

An excuse to change game mechanics because they felt like it. This is bad middle management BS. "Before, when the game had no scenario play, it was very difficult for new players to understand what they were trying to accomplish" "Blow the shit out-of your opponent", has always seemed like a very straight forward goal to me... Not having an official app is only going to confuse and turn off new or casual players. After 2 years of next to no live, face to face, game play - this game would be dead in the water after this maneuver. If it wasn't being kept afloat by the Star Wars IP.

I didn't buy into X-Wing to Print stuff. They should have released a 3.0 pack. So unprofessional

If they were going to lock things to quick builds they wouldn't bother having come up with this whole loadout system. They clearly want customization to be part of how ships are built/used. Stripping upgrade costs away from listbuilding costs is just simplifying the math and stripping away the most common newbie build mistakes (taking too many ships without the upgrades they need to succeed, or taking too few ships and overloading them with upgrades they don't get utility from) in order to make it a bit harder to lose in the listbuilding phase.

All of the dial changing cards (pilots or upgrades) got banned. That's why Hera got tossed out

Also, "engineering an obfuscated advantage" is going to enter the gaming lexicon in the same way "subverting expectations" did for cinemagoers

Big and massive changes are usualy bad. They just put people away. What they should have done is change stuff little by little. They say they are worryed about new players, but what about the veteran players? Who have patience to relearn everything again? And imagine having to rebuy everything for your collection a third time? That would be a hard pass. I don't want a 3.0 version.

Mark my words. We'll get a brand new edition of X-Wing within the next 6 months, and all that will be in the box is 8 generic ship cards with all of the symbols, text, stats, and artwork replaced with these words: "Visit www.atomicmassgames.com/xwing-documents"

I don’t like the changes. They complicate it more then simplified the list building. The whole upgrades don’t count toward list score means there are pilots that are objectively better and some generics will never be used because there is another one with the same ship point but more upgrade points. Lastly if they go to quick builds being the main thing I’m don’t the fun of x wing and games like it is that you can decide how your list is built. There are a lot of customization options depending on what you are trying to do with each ship. Take that away and it’s not the same game. I bought X-Wing to play X-Wing not to play crisis protocol

Doesn't change my fleet at the moment just means I can potentially take more gear for them so will be interesting to see what happens. I'm use to change and always plan and go with what happens things change and better or worse I plan to still play.

Thanks for making this shortened version. Don’t always have time to watch the whole thing but now I gotta find time to see that. Thanks again.

I feel like they missed the mark here spectacularly. List building is part of the fun for many players and making list building harder to do in paper then drop all app support, just dumb. Next they try to make it easier for new players to get started, great! But then they make it so punishing to bump ships (something that just sbout every new player does their first few games) that I don't think that most newbies will event want to stick with it. Like wow did AMG have a list of things to do to alienate everybody cuz it seems like they are checking off about every item on such a list.

I do wish AMG would just 'officially' call this new rule set as 2.5 or 3rd Edition, as it genuinely is a very different game now. Overall, I am happy with the changes!

I'm intrigued by the new changes. I might have to dust off my models and try it again. I custom-painted an Inferno Squad group of TIE fighters..Fighters... time to terrorize the skies again!!!

Been worried about you my friend hadn’t gotten notified about new videos no telling how many videos I miss. Came across this video by accident on PlayStation 5 so quickly logged in to tablet to thumbs up and comment

I am not printing out the delta b pilots. It's pointless. Just put the delta b configuration on the Aethersprites and then use the points from the delta b pilots in the document.

I'll just say that as someone who is always open to new ways to try things I am open to try,as I do not wanna give up on this game as I adore X wing and would be a shame to drop my interest now after i paid for my razor crest and gauntlet fighter lol I remain cautiously optimistic as always I try to see the bright side as doing anything for the game shows they do wanna keep it around instead of nothing

If I were a list building app provider I would not waste time changing things. We are going to quickly jump into MCP style character cards. Upgrade cards will be eliminated.

I’ve only played a few games of x-wing since the 2.0 conversion. Just a time thing more than a protest thing. I’m gonna be open minded. I own every ship and usually 2-3 of each. One thing that I have always wanted to be able to do was to 100% randomize what you played with each game (I’m not a competitive player so I’m not saying do away with list building and optimization). If they go with a heavily vested pre build system that had a points cost for each prebuilt ship/pilot, I could see the randomized squadron play being just what I’ve been looking for. I would like the challenge of being dealt something that may not be as optimized as I’d like but still playing with it. I think the only control you would have would be you would set your faction decks up by points groups so you could essentially choose “how many” ships were in your squad but beyond that, it’s whatever fate deals you in the selected points decks. Maybe not for everyone but I think I would like it. It would help get certain ships to the table more often.

I spent some time last night converting two of my lists last night. One of the things that I felt the cost of upgrades need adjustments.

I feel the list building will effect the range of lists we see

Note from the stream yesterday they said on all future prints of the core sets the new rules will be included.

I just started playing like a couple weeks ago so my opinion might not be valid. I only ever play with my dad who doesn't speak English so we don't even use all the rules yet. I don't have many problems with the new rules, I think it's made some things less confusing for sure. The new squad building rules make a lot more sense to be than the old ones. I hope they come out new starter set with the new rules to make things easier.

Loadouts could provide opportunity for sideboarding. This could be done in a couple of ways: specify the number of loadouts allowed for a tournament (i.e. 2 would mean each ship could have 2 preconstructed loadouts to choose from each match) or by adding a second loadout value (i.e. 5 becomes 5/12, where you can bring 12 points of upgrades, but only equip 5)

Thanks for laying it all out. /heads to AMG site to save the PDF’s.

Thank you for doing this video. I had been in "I'm taking a break for x-wing until this all plays out" since ROAD was implimented. I think I'm now just going to sell off my collection. I dont like this direction. I already pulled all my patreon bucks, I think it is now time to remove all my channel subscriptions. Thank you for all the work you've done for the hobby. Wish you and the rest of the community the best.

I am mixed on these rulings. On one hand I understand trying to make a game more friendly to new players and simplifying rules to make things less confusing but I think they may be missing the mark here. I think most X-Wing players would agree that the hardest part for a beginner is learning the intricacies of list building. As someone who has played numerous other miniature games before stepping into X-Wing I can easily say that X-Wing is one of the simplest miniature games to learn how to play. I have now taught 20-21 people who have never played miniature games before how to play X-Wing and 17-18 of them enjoyed it quite a bit. Learning the rules takes roughly 30 mins to understand for most beginners before they finally put all the pieces together and are able to start truly enjoying the game. Thus, I don't think the gameplay has been the limiting factor for new players. The hurdle that is the hardest for new players is the complexity of list building. This is why I understand them wanting to take a new approach to list building with an attempt to make it simpler. The list building aspect has scared away a good number of those players whom I taught who did enjoy the gameplay. Even with the quick build system in place it could be overwhelming since that meant they had to rad roughly 2-5 cards for every single pilot (They would usually use YASB 2.0 so that they could instantly read the cards). The idea of creating a good list is daunting task to a new player (and even veteran players sometimes) and it can be intimidating to start trying to learn all of the upgrades, ships, pilots, etc. for any given list. With that said, I still believe this massive hurdle is inevitable for the game to be exciting and evolving. However, having played around with the new squad building system in YASB 2.5 it is clear to me that AMG doesn't know what they are doing here. This new squad building system is not only more confusing to a new player but is it also actively ignorant of what makes X-Wing great. I really hope AMG sees this because they are making this game harder for new players forcing us to use upgrades. What you are doing AMG is forcing the overall point cost of the game to rise. An average game is no longer 200 points. It is now much closer to 250 when looking at the lists I have created. This means new players have to have even more knowledge than before to make a list, so this is not making things easier for them. Not to mention you now have arbitrary boundaries for upgrades for every single pilot. This is much more confusing than before where the limiting factor was only the platform and pilot skill. All of these things make list building more of a headache then they use to be. Gone are the days that a new player could make a simple list with 5 X-Wings and have a competitive list to play against friends. Now they not only need to fly those 5 X-Wings, but they also need to use named characters in them with different abilities and initiatives since named pilots get more access to more upgrades for some reason. This actually doesn't make any sense. Why would anyone take your blue squadron escort (38 pts) plus 4pts of upgrades when they can take Jek (44pts) plus 7pts of upgrades with access to better upgrades? This literally makes no sense. Not only that, newer players won't have this previous knowledge like older players have. We all remember what these pilots are worth but newer players are just stuck with the number 4 for both even though one is clearly better than the other. You have also added an extra unnecessary layer of complexity in blocking certain upgrades from different ships. For instance, if you want to have torpedoes on a Y-Wing you have to fly named pilots. Why? The whole point of Y wings is that they have the ability to be flexible and perform one of 3 roles. Torpedoes, Bombs or Turrets. With a generic pilot we literally can't even run torpedoes or turrets. At the very least this is going to confuse newer players a lot. At the worst you are actually damaging the game by basically forcing everyone who ever uses a Y-Wing to use Dutch because he somehow costs the same as a generic Y-wing and yet gets the option to use proton torps. This is a 15 pt difference. None of these changes make sense. All you are doing is adding a level of unnecessary complexity while also removing our ability to be creative in our lists. I don't know how you managed to do that. This is by far the worst move I've seen made in X-Wing yet. The shift to 2nd edition made sense because the problems in 1st edition were addressed. However, the same can't be said here. This solves 0 problems while also making new ones in the process and completely destroys the balance of the game that has been carefully balanced for the past 3 years. If you want to make a drastic change that helps new players get into the game this is not the route. A better route would be to remove these unnecessary limitations and even open up some of the limitations that FFG set. Change the system to not link a pilot to a specific platform. instead have them be separate and let us put them in the platform of our choice. Sure, certain pilot abilities would be to strong on certain platforms (such as Ghost Hera in an A-Wing) but these few problems could be accounted for by just banning that pilot from that 1 platform. This system makes it easier for newer players (and older) by letting us learn who our favorite pilots are and what are favorite platforms are separate from each other instead of linked. Not only that but it provides us the players with the ability to be even more creative with our lists. The issue isn't that list building is too hard because there is to much to choose from. (That's literally why Quick Builds exist for newer players). It's because there are so many limitations that newer players struggle to learn them. The other hard part is a new player has to learn all of the cards. however, this wide selection of cards is exactly why players love this game so you can't change that. Everything good in life comes at a price and for X-Wing the knowledge comes from reading and playing the game. There's no getting around this. Will this kill the game? No. The game still has an extremely fun core gameplay loop. Will this just the game though? I think this unquestionably does. You have managed to destroy the balance in a drastic way. Generics are garbage now along with certain platforms losing their main purpose for existence for a lot of their pilots (Y-Wings case in point). None of this makes any sense and will hurt that game. They should return back to the 200 pt system and do what I said above if they really want to push a newer version. This is actively hurting the game by forcing it to be more complex and removing entire pilots out of the game. NOTE: You can't even get Dutch Torps... AMG this is bewilderingly bad

I'm more of a casual player at least in terms of how much I play. I've got pretty much all the products over the years, just don't get a lot of time to play (or even be able to find people to play) and I've never been to like a tournament or anything. As a casual player, on the surface I like the new points system better. I tend to have decision paralysis with XWing trying to optimize my builds and points in the old system. Like, is it better to put the points of an upgrade on one ship versus another or even if I should dump points into upgrades for aces or using my points for more ships. With this new system, it does limit decision making a bit it seems. I can now just pick a handful of ships I find interesting, then load them out without the upgrades from one affecting another. I can see how to a more veteran player that this could be limiting their options and ability to fine tune their lists, but as a casual, I find this to have the potential to be better for that player base. What I don't like is all the errata. It's not that I don't like the erratas being done, it's just that I hate print and play, so I hope that after they "debug" some of these rules/changes and things appear solid they release some kind of kit or core set that has cards for all the errata'd pilots. AMG even has their own storefront, so I'd be into paying them 5 or 10 bucks on their website to get a pack of cards to replace the deprecated versions now. It's one thing to have to look online for a ban list, that is common with tabletop games, but having to look online to see how the paragraph of text on a card changed is annoying. Also not a huge fan of scenarios. I have no problem with a game that is just dogfights in space. The scenarios don't seem all that inspired anyways so I don't find them interesting. I get why long time players are upset. If I were a long-time player I'd probably be more upset with the changes, but from the perspective of a casual player, I think some of the changes are good. Still need to test the waters to see for sure. If anything, I think I can maybe introduce a few friends to this now. Aside from teaching people all the rules, it was hard to get new players to build lists. I know there are app builders out there, but again, the decision making was so open ended that they struggled with things, so usually I'd try to make a list for them when I was introducing the game. Now, since building is more streamlined into like phases, I feel like I can get a new player to be more invested in the list building starting out as it possibly has less decision making involved.

To offer a fresh-eyes perspective: New building as a two-tiered system seems like it gains exponential benefit the more you play. If I find 20 different load outs over time that I really enjoy for my favourite 6-point ship when performing different roles, I can have them all saved and ready as simple 6-point additions to any future list. No more pissing around with 1 or 2 point upgrade swaps to make it fit. More importantly, I'll never have to do a feel-bad drop of some upgrade that makes, say the Falcon, feel thematically correct to me. I'll always be playing the ship I love from the movies, and always built best suited to my game, and it'll always fit into a list as simple as counting to 6. I just looked at this game again a month ago for the first time since first addition. Building the same lists under 2.5 was so much easier than it was with 2.0 for somebody that didn't have 2.0 points committed to memory, and building the same lists never felt like I had to sacrifice thematically. Also, if scenario play keeps people from getting slightly ahead and then playing tag to run out the clock, I'm glad this game is moving away from awarding un-fun grind techniques. I'm really glad i wasn't entrenched in 2.0, because now I can enjoy easier building, as well as action-packed and varied gameplay, without feeling all get-off-my-lawn about the changes. My only worry is that the local game store people get all crusty and negative about something new. Thank you so much for putting out all this content to make it easier for someone like me to get back into this game. Now, let's keep the message positive so I'll have a good happy community to return to ;)

This is a sneaky way to push people to use more upgrades. I like the concept of pushing upgrade cards and it will definitely make for new unique ships all over the place. However, I have two complaints and I'm quite upset about both unfortunately: 1) The unnamed pilots are meaningless. Why would you take the any generic ship when the named ships are strictly better? The same goes for half the named ships where some are so clearly outclassed by another pilot of the same ship. 2) Now you will need more upgrade cards (and duplicates of them) than ever before. Perhaps it's not a big deal with print-and-play but I'm still worried people will feel that they'll need 2x+ of each new release just to get multiples of an upgrade card or two. I think that moving to 20 point lists was a clear mistake as in reality almost all ships fall in the 3-7 point range and that means there simply isn't enough room to make more than 1-2 pilots playable for each ship. I understand that some pilots stand out, but before you could at least justify playing half of the pilots for most ships. Now you simply can't. If they instead made 100 points the target, we'd be able to maintain more differentiation and allow for the generic ships to be somewhat playable.

Well it seems i have chosen an interesting time to return to the fold of X-Wing, still got all my 1.0/1.5 stuff and still giving away that saber huh? cant say id mind winning that, you generous son of a gun

Feels more like it should just be a new game Squadron: Crisis Protocol. Or X-wing R.I.P...

This is the "The Last Jedi" of X-wing

I’m happy X-Wing still exists (for now) as I was worried about the future of the game, so I’m not going to be one of the “sky is falling..Arrrghh.. change” types over rules changes and hope it turns out just fine. What I don’t like is the print and play element, it’s the most confusing way to launch a game. Buying something, throwing part of it away, logging on to a site and printing a load of stuff just to use it is just messy and a massive turn off. I would rather a new box, or even a hardback rule room containing all of the rules. points , cards/40K style data sheets. Sorted

I am a casual player who has been playing since 1.0. I have a lot of 1.0 ships that I like to use. I am very pleased that AMG took the time to update the stats for all of these for the new rules. Still waiting on the Epic update. My overall impression is that it will do what AMG wants it to do - make it more appealing to newer players. I do not think the complexity and choice of the game have been reduced, just changed. I do NOT think the future of the game is quick builds. There are too many ways you can play the same ships, just like there used to be. As I said in a previous comment, I will reserve final comment until I have played the new rules a few times. Looking forward to it!

I’m glad they haven’t abandoned huge ships. I love me some Epic.

I would love to see some one make a Faction video and break down all 7 factions, what they do and such. I am someone considering getting into it but it is bloody hard to find any good faction vids. I am fairly sure where i will go after some reading but eh like to hear some one discuss it.

Patreon: absolutely a great time to donate to your favorite list builder or online X-Wing provider. They must be contemplating recoding a ton of stats right about now. Great video, still holding final judgment until I can play all 4 scenarios although my friends and I aren’t enthusiastic, weee going to give it a shot when we meet up for our monthly game night. Print and play drives me crazy though (except of course for Crabbok’s Armada AI) so I’m waiting for a reprint pack before getting into a 7B squad.

The new rules may get me back into Xwing. But not playing Hera in the Ghost sound just plain stupid.

I really just need to play more and changing to rules is just more things to know and remember...

I appreciate the clarification on ship points versus loadout points. It helps make more sense of the changes. I suspect I'll adapt to this as easily as I did from 1.0 to 2.0.

Huge ships? Completely ignored/forgotten in this update it seems.

They should give out free updated text cards. Starting to get to the point where there are a lot of out of date cards that don’t read entirely the same

I played a bit of 1.0 back in the day and was curious at looking at the changes in 2.0. Then I realized a new company took over, introduced 2.5 rules, and I just saw the update document from 3/1/22. I'm a bit hesitant to get back into this until I have a good sense that things have settled. I hope the game is remaining successful.

love your content! keep up with the good work mate!

At this point, AMG are to X-Wing what Rian Johnson was to the sequel trilogy. At best, the only thing they have done is fracture the fandom. At best.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen so prominent a case of self sabotage as AMGs handling of X-Wing, and I’m a Privateer Press fan, so that’s saying a lot

So, I have a bunch of ships but can't find any of my cards 1.0/2.0 anymore - Is everything just what's on Atomic Mass games now? What from 2.x carries over?

I made it to the 2:42 mark and realized I’m probably not playing this game anymore

My biggest complaint is the ban and errata lists. AMG states they want a streamlined experience for new players, yet having printed cards either be banned entirely or changed is not streamlining anything, especially for new players. Just price the questionable cards appropriately so they aren't played, then they are essentially banned with only one document not by maintaining three separate rules documents. Case in point, Luke Skywalker gunner upgrade.

Thanks for the info about the updates.

Lightsaber! And thanks for doing this summary.

Thanks for this, I agree this definitely feels like a 3.0 Beta to me.

Well.. so for the changes seem good. Looking forward to playing!

I'm pretty okay with these changes honestly. This does feel like a 2.5 because, generally speaking, how I move my ships w/ the manuever tools, how the cards work and how Boost/Barrel Roll work is still the same, and my cards stick around (replacements not withstanding) so good chunks remain rather than throwing out everything like 1.0 to 2.0. I'm okay with this honestly. Having tried the list builders is seems okay enough, let's me focus on pilot abilities first THEN loadouts, not like I was good at list building anyway. I think switching to objective based is less of an issue for me than it would have been pre pandemic. I've been trying to jump into games like 40K, KT, and Legion and all of those are objective based, so it just lets me refocus all my games into objective play at once and worry more about how my list meets and objective v. countering specific strategies.

Hi, i read the ehole thing and founf nothing about range 0 attacks... Is it possoble for any ship to attack at range 0?

Thanks for posting this summary. Very helpful

Does it still make sense to buy the corset for 2.0 or will it be better to wait for a new one (if it is even supposed to come out) before investing in currently released ships?

They banned Slave 1? That's ridiculous.

Thank you for getting me into X Wing!

So i have every set and all the cards from X-wing 1st edition multiple times, but never bought anything 2nd edition related because i dont need more ships. How could I effectively update my ship collection to this new 2.5 or 3rd edition, especially now that 2nd Edition stuff is also outdated? is there anything planned or available for players like me? I do not play on tournaments, so that is not an issue to me.

I am excited about this brave new universe... I think they'll need to tweak some points a little, but I think overall its gonna be good!

Thanks for covering this. I think it’s pretty drastic to say one is quitting X-Wing because of these changes. I’ll never sell my collection as I really enjoy having all of these iconic ships on display having invested heavily in the miniatures and conversion kits and I can always still just play casually by the 2.0 rules. I’m skeptical of the new AMG rules myself and not a fan at all of the print and play stuff but we’ll have to see how it eventually plays out; meanwhile I hope the latest set of legacy rules and points can be permanently saved somewhere and on some of the list building apps so that we can always play X-Wing in the classical way whenever we want.

For me, the biggest complaint/annoyance with the new Standard play is that most of my favorite ships to fly (Khiraxzh and Starviper) won't be legal and with no real idea if they'll ever come back to the game.. Guess I'll focus more on my Separatists in the future, or go all-in on the Gauntlet.

Speaking of the everyone can make range 0 attacks in 2.5... I'm no native English speaker and I am not sure how to understand this sentence from the reference handbook: • Unless it has an ability that allows attacks at range 0, a ship cannot attack a ship at range 0, even if the attack range would be range 1. I'd really appreciate if someone could explain this to me as I understood it in the way that range 0 attacks are not possible for every ship, which seems to be false. Thank you guys. Thank you a lot!

I’m excited for these changes, it’s made it more fun on building the lists

I quit the game when they forced me to switch to 2.0 cause I didn't agree with the way that FFG did it, and I also expected that 2.0 won't be the last version in the near future. While this happens now I find it much different because at least they don't say on top that I spent around 1200$ for the game, I won't be able to play if I don't spend additional 100-200$ for the game, and they have a print and ready solution. It seems that the game went into better hands now, I wish lots of fun to players that still play this game cause I quit for good and don't regret it for a bit.

From what we've seen so far, I think this could be a big boon to getting new people into the hobby. I've recently switched to aeronautica imperialis for my casual games as it's a lot easier to pick up and play, even with the missions. I think I'll stick to 2.0 to scratch my competitive itch, though I'm interested to see how it plays out. I just hope it means we get a few more releases!

Launch Bay Next has already updated to the new format - it mostly works (everything but sharing the list has a total that's wrong) and it does show the slots and loadouts and adds costs up correctly.

Will there be a new core set? Ive been thinking about getting back into it but don't want to buy an outdated core set. Im still a little sour about the first change over lol. I had alot of xwing and built the player base around here by putting on countless demos.

Dude!! I just saw one video and now this one...they are separated by 5 years!!! you look a bit older with the grey coming in! Hehe, I know the feeling. Anyway, love your dedication and channel. So grateful you do this. I dont even know how long it has been since i played X-wing or Armada.....I remember the New Order stuff coming out for X-wing when I last played and the biggest Imperial cruiser was being released for Armada. How many additional releases came after that, I often wonder.

I first got into this game a couple months ago and I love playing it. Still a newb but slowly getting there. Right now only doing imperial and rebels. Hope to get into more factions and see what they can do. Thanks again for all the videos and quick tips. It's helped alot.

Thanks for the summary!

I must be missing it but it’s don’t seem where all ships can attack at range 0. It still says ships can not attack unless they have an ability that let’s them.

Thank you for the rules summary

I follow this channel because I love the armada content. I have always been intrigued by X-Wing the game, but have never and probably never get into the game as it always seems to be changing its base rules. for that, as a potential new player, I will stay away. If they ever start messing with Armada the way they do with X-Wing, those ships will just become show pieces. I don't mind introducing new cards, and new items to the game to keep it fresh. but frequent fundamental changes to the base rule set will keep me away from a game more than anything else. Just my two cents.

Keep up the good work, always love your videos!

Essentially AMG has no freaking idea what they're doing. AMG: "here's the new points list!!" Players: "Why the fudge does the generic Jedi have 2 force?" AMG: "oopsies"

I'm all for streamlining and I'm sure it will all work out, but this game feels like a cluster. Honestly, I do like the objective system.

Are rule a ever gona get back 1st edition with points on cards

Thanks for the breakdown

Thanks for the clear overview!

It's kinda weird that AMG doesn't highlight this on their main website or on social media. I found this out through your channel think goodness

This was very interesting change to X-Wing!

I’ll wait to see what’s coming over the next week.

I'm interested to see what these changes do to the Aces High community

This has me worried.... What if Legion is next? 😟

I may be in the minority, but I'm really looking forward to using these new rules. This game just got a lot more interesting, and I've already made several lists to try out.