X-Wing 2.5 Rules Stream Overview and Recap - Scenarios, Obstacles, and Bumping! Plus More Mando! 

Rip x-wing!!

Props to you Crabbok, you basically are doing a much better job than AMG's actual marketing team at letting me know what is happening in the games.

As a player who joined x wing at the start of 2.0, these changes don't seem like they really "enhance" the game rather than just changing the experience to something different altogether.

I am very nervous about the future of X-Wing. I'm teaching a friend how to play and I feel like I need to warn him that what he's learning to enjoy might not be the X-Wing of 2022 and beyond.

I like the gas cloud changes. I always thought they should break target locks. Having a roll for ion tokens is good too. Makes them less of a "free" obstacle.

New rules add unwanted complexity. I'll just stick with the 2.0 rules and play casually.

This does feel like change just for change. My friends and I have just gone back to playing 1.0 at the kitchen table.

We came in during 2.0 at the kitchen table. And will likely stay with 2.0 rules for now.

Gotta pull a Star Trek quote out here: “AMG is intelligent, but not experienced. Their pattern indicates two dimensional thinking.” After looking at what they’ve proposed, I don’t think that they understand the 3D world of Star Wars. 🤣🤣🤣. They need someone to explain the Z-axis to them.

I actually stopped buying X-Wing products when AMG took over. I’m now watching to see what happens in the next 6 months.

The game they're making sounds fun, but I will say I can see the same problems I was seeing with Privateer Press when these guys were part of it. Talking about changes piece meal without considering how poorly those changes will be received without the whole picture. The reasoning for changes not really matching up with the changes themselves. I've always said Assmodee giving AMG all the star wars mini games at once was a mistake but I'm now thinking giving them any of them might have been.

I still have my 1.0 stuffed in a box but haven't played it since 2.0.

Seems like they are making the game a bit more complicated with he bumping and range zero attacks. Part of the appeal to the game was the simple rule set. I somehow think AMG will start to release unpainted models.

I think bumping into your own units is too punishing. Losing an action is bad enough; but possibly getting damaged also? At least instead of damage, receive a strain or deplete (you're concentrating on formation flying at the expense of your combat awareness.). My Gawd! Seems AMG HATES swarms. and I thought swarms were at the roots of X-Wing!

I'm unsure how I feel about all these changes, but will reserve judgment until we get the final write up and get some games in with the full rules. The scenarios sound like they should be fun though.

Bumping ships will be devastating for newer players. Might be less fun for them if they bump and lose ships because of it.

Two words: seismic charges. As for scenarios, no one in the currently dead community that I used to play in ever wanted to play scenarios. It was always about the dogfights and trying to kill the opponent as quickly and easily as possible.

"It's not what you said you wanted to do" pretty much sums it up. They say they want to make it easier for new players but then hit them will punishing self bump (i did that so much in my first tourny) and catastrophic obstacles this will be so much more punishing for new players. They say they want more shooting but these scenarios will stop that. Also, I haven't heard many people complaining about the new rules for scoring, which for me is the worst part. The best outcome for both players is a 200 to 200 tie so why don't both players just fly off the table??? At the very least, the complex nature of finding your engagement is totally gone and you will just fly headlong towards your opponent. "If both players brawl one of them is wrong" is not applicable anymore. Players will have to brawl because they don't care about winning, they just care about destroying. I'll give it a chance, but I'm skeptical. Great video as always!

1. AMG employees seem incompetent at playing X-Wing. I am not sure they understand some of the fundamentals of the game, so their experience of how to play it is skewed. 2. The scenario design is weird, as it incentivizes the objectives far too much over blowing up ships. In a game where a Separatist Gunship can park between a couple points to harvest 133% the value of blowing up a TIE Fighter _by literally doing nothing except hiding behind obstacles_ flies in the face of their stated objectives. (Hard to tell from the board image, but some objectives are arranged so a ship can be within range 1 of more than one objective, right?) There are also ways to game it with medium/large ships for a similar effect, as those get more "sit for the buck" as opposed to "bang for the buck". And which sizes of ships have the most 0 Square movements? Yeah.... 3. AMG like there being consequences for actions, and negatively incentivizing certain actions like bumping or colliding with obstacles. That's OK, but they don't seem as aware as to how to positively incentivize the types of play they state they want. X-Wing ships don't move like super heroes, for one thing.

They probably said "2.5" because they didn't want to introduce a complete reboot when Embracer might take the game from them in the coming months/years, so they just implemented changes to force us into their play style for the time being

I'm the opposite of you. I'm giving it a break. Pulled all my patreon bucks. After others play it for a few months, I'll take a look at the game again with a fresh mind and see if the game is something I want to play again.

Is there a new rule book out yet? I’m having a hard time squeezing these new rules in my head

Interesting. I just decided to jump back into X-Wing after not playing since Wave 8 of 1.0. I was into 1.0 competitive scene at that time but haven’t played since. I heard about the AMG rule set change and thought now would be a good time to update my ships. Ordered 2.0 Core and each of the 2.0 upgrade packs. Not even gonna refresh myself on the game until these new rules release. I was a bit excited hearing about their goal of making it a dogfighting game again. I loved that about early 1.0. I share your concerns about what it seems they are actually doing with it. I’ve never even played a scenario. All about destroying ships by chucking dice and good positioning. I guess we’ll see how it goes.

Thank you for summarizing the changes. It’s sad to see the game lose its heart. AMG’s changes seem focused around taking away options instead of expanding strategy. As of this time, I will not continue to support them.

Im sorry but these rules are absurd its a completely different game its not a “”2.5”” its like a 4.0 and if i wanted to play a scenario game id play MCP and i don’t want to play MCP i want to play XWING and fly around and blow stuff up

Aww hell here we go!

Not impressed by the changes.

So if 1.0 non reprinted ships are out....then way to crap on people who spent money on conversion kits. I love my StarVipers.

Finally a livestream I wasn’t at work for and I still somehow missed it. I’m not a fan of x-wing going to almost all scenarios for standard play. It didn’t look or feel like a gritty dogfight. I’m game to give it a try. But I might stick with the last RRG the FFG team did for normal games.

Time to just make my own rule set for the game, keep what I like and delete what I don't, And just play the way I want. 😊

Honestly their current way of doing things is going to bite them in the foot. Dripping info like this without a clear guide just allows people to nitpick the worst parts. To me the changes are complete BS, and given how new they are them saying 'trust us' doesn't hold much weight

I think I'll pick up a copy of the Razor Crest and copy of the Cad Bane ships and be done. May need to do some tweaking to them to make them playable with the 2.0 ruleset, but I've been buying ships since Wave 1 and I want to play X-wing, not whatever this is.

"nobody played the scenarios ffg gave you in 1E, so now we're gonna force you to only play those in standard" - AMG probably

@crabbok I'm rarely able to say I agree with you, but on a lot of this I do. Where there's some changes they are making I like, and the philosophy directionally I like as well generally, but the execution is extremely bizarre to put it as nicely as I can. Obstacle changes should have just been part of a new obstacles/environments pack and then make that tournament normal. The FFg environment packs were great fire me and I honestly don't think they need to deviate that far from those as a template to do scenarios. Bumping changes are just buggered all around. The only thing I like is the random init each round, but not this after dial nonsense. Or this arbitrary dice off chart thing. I've been playing with the random init before dials they talked about awhile ago since they mentioned it, and have actually really enjoyed it. We weren't following their chart though.

I'm kinda disappointed for these rules updates, I wish they focus more on the models and less on the cardboard stuff. I got 87 ships and I got tons of cards and tokens, but I don't have time to review all that. New upgrades are just to complex and hard to remember that I simply don't use them. I wish they would make campaigns stuff for RPG mod of the game, like Aturi Cluster one. Thank you for giving us the latest updates Crabbok, much appreciated!

All these changes have been pushing me more and more to selling my collection which is heartbreaking because I'm a scum player we finally get the Gauntlet and Razor Crest.

Good stuff, thanks for the info!

good video, iffy rules changes... need the full document to see if its any good

Thanks for this, I just got X-Wing for my 50th and everyone in family is getting me ships. Looks like I picked a good time to get into the game!

Also, the U-Wing was printed so long ago... is it still available for purchase from the official site?

Scenarios are fine as a side show. But the main event should always be dog fights. This is a highly thematic game. And the theme doesn't track well on most scenarios. Taking part in a battle where my favourite characters are all together in a dog fight is exciting!!! Luke Skywalker flying circles around blue satellites for reasons unknown... is not.

The best scenario gameplay for X-wing was HotAC....

I’m glad it’s not a full new edition. It feels like just yesterday that I converted everything to 2nd and I don’t think I play enough to buy into a 3rd

Hey Crabbok, new to xwing anywhere I can watch some recent battle reports? Everything on RU-vid seems not recent for game play.

Thanks for the info!

Thanks for the video and info. Missed the amg stream but now I know what's up. Thanks

I don't think it's bad that they introduce scenarios but that they completely eliminate the way of playing as it has been done so far does not seem very smart to me. Most people are going to play extended as it is the closest thing to traditional Xwing.

I haven't played xwing in over 4 years just dusted off the website and dust this weekend. Looking for an easy to use squad builder.

Thanks for the great summary video. We’ll see what happens next.

I just got a few cheap 1.0 ships on clearance (already have conversion kit) and to hear now that I can’t use them in standard? Very frustrating. I am curious to see if there is a net gain or loss in players or sales for them with all of these changes. So far it doesn’t look good.

Have 2.5 rules already been implemented in the Fly Casual simulator? Because ships in that are damaged when they fly through their own ships pathing.

Thank for the update for the rules and also keep up the hard work and love the vids

Loving the content! Keep up the good work

How is the center rule change enforced?

Great summary as always

I've been gradually slipping away from X-Wing since the start of 2nd edition. As someone that didn't want to play as the new factions (too expensive to buy into new factions as well as a new edition), having a couple of years with no new ships for either of the two factions that I play (Rebellion and Empire), I began to disengage. The pandemic has largely cut me off from the local community. These new rule sets seem like a good time for me to wish the hobby a farewell, at least as far as competitive X-Wing is concerned. I'll probably still play occasional kitchen table matches, but they'll almost certainly be using older rulesets.

I really enjoy your videos. Thank you

I've played several games with the new rules and scenarios, and the game is a blast. The strategies you have to use make the game less reliant on the dice, and more reliant on what you do as a whole. For anyone giving up on this game simply because it's changed, give the new rules and scenarios a shot first before you make your decision. It won't be for everyone, but the game certainly isn't crap. Just think about it this way: If these were the rules when the game first came out, would you still have started playing? If the answer is no, then I hope you are able to find a new hobby soon that can replace X-wing. Give the new rules a shot. You may be pleasantly surprised.

Like the new build style, but rules are a bit heavier then before

Enjoyed the video a great deal. As someone coming back to the game after a long time away (stopped playing during 1st edition) I have a current rules general question. I down loaded the printed rules from AMG and the version is 1.3.2 dated 10/12/2021. Are the changes you discuss in this video included in the rule set I down loaded, or are these changes that I need to account for in my printed set?? Again, loved the video and it is a great source for a returning player of old.

Hi Crabbock. My son and I want to get into X-wing but now not sure. We were going to grab 2.0 core set and go Rebels and Empire. Should we hold off? Is there going to be a new core set and a complete new edition which makes the current edition defunct?

I like objective play rules at least.

8:40 Where are you reading "on a hit, youll gain an ion"? All i see from the text, is on a Crit, you gain enough ions to ionize you, but nothing happening on a hit result. Also, where are you reading (or did they say it) that gas clouds now prevent shooting?

Major Rhymer can reduce ordinance to range 0. Can he still fire them with the vague rules?

is any of this on the amg website?

so many changes....will be hard to get used to.....at least at home you can always play what you want to.

Where do we get info on your give always? As in where do we hear who wins?

So the obstacle issue is very punishing, especially for new players, but I can live with that. The idea of objective play is actually something I like. It means that when you build a list, you have to account for the different situations - so that is a good thing in my opinion. I would honestly love to see something similar to how legion does it, but you can choose obstacles, objective, etc, but having to build a fleet that is versatile is a good thing, and hopefully will bring more ships into being used. Seems that tractor tokens have just become even less useful. The bumping rules.. I like that you can attack at range 0. But how does it work with only the person bumping takes damage? is it supposed to be the two ships colliding? shouldn't they both take damage? I think with how damaging bumping is, there should be a way to bring in the epic play formation token. Fold that into the actual game. All in all, I think x-wing is taking a downward turn. I honestly liked the Ares Games Battlestar Galactica gameplay so much more than x-wing in many ways. We'll see how it goes.

Is the so called banned card list going to affect all forms of play or just standard play with the objectives.

I'm happy to see objective play, but I don't like the design of these objectives, they sound both very abstract and quite boring. The armada objectives were much more interesting, and didn't discourage combat I thought.

I thought I'd do a hamerhed with a bag in a legion (like terrain or another ship

I like Republic and I’ve been successful with it. If we are only using reprinted ships does that we only have 4 Republic ships (Eta, Delta 7, Vwing, and Laat)? Will they count Arc and Torrent?

Objectives shouldn't be location based, it should be pilot based. Example . : (this pilot) must get the first kill. : (this pilot) must preform a stress manoeuvre at range 1. So then you must choose, hmm do i want to get a kill or do i want to do this thing my pilot does (so they can play / act like their lore) or do i take advantage of the moment I'm in... Imagine Luke could get the kill, but jek would get more points if he did (for reasons) ... but he won't be in range till next turn... choices!

This all feels a awful lot like "new players changing half the rulebook because they dont want to bother with the learning curve". I wonder how many AMG Employees played X-Wing long-term before the takeover? None of them? Or maybe just a few that lost some games and thought "well this game sucks". I cant see any balance-related reason for changing so many core mechanics of the game, this just feels like AMG doesnt like X-Wing they way it is very much. Wrong Company then, maybe?

I’ll give it a chance, very skeptical

Excited about the changes. On the stream, it sounded like the focus/calculate action when bumping an enemy would have to be red.

Why? Did they not learn that these massive changes just push people away?

Comments under the original vid are disabled. Well well... I think I will stay with 2.0 rules. It doesnt seem, that AMG understands the core feeling and tactics of this game.

In dogfight game you take the dogfight out the game?

Liked

Like you I'm keeping an open mind, but they're not really selling me their new vision for the game. The play through seemed a little dull and I love scenario based games. The move from the roots isn't feeling natural either, more forced, that's not a good way to go. On a plus side they are putting these changes out into the wild for us to look at, comment on and hopefully listen to our concerns.

Silly. I’ll keep playing the way I’ve always played.

These new rules are GARBAGE! MY gawd. Why are they trying to turn X-wing into Armada?! I refuse to play with these shit rules on an official level.

I too like scenario game modes.. I can get behind that at least.

LVO will be adopting some of these rule changes.

Atomic Mass Games Is Ruining X-Wing!!

The game sounds very complicated but looks interesting, be curious to give it a go one day

Stopped playing entirely. Sad to see AMG destroy a game I loved. Now my fighters make great display models.

Love your videos man! You are my go to X-Wing Professor!

Bumping rules change is ridiculously over-complicated and unnecessary. Even the new obstacle changes are unnecessary, although I don't hate them. But man, whoever came up with the new bumping stuff should be fired. The way bumping is currently is easy, streamlined, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. The new rules are more to wrap your head around and makes some card texts obsolete for no reason at all. So bizarre.

Wow, what a slap in the face to all of us that spent over 200 bucks to upgrade. Gee thanks I can't enjoy my ships anymore. Can't wait to play them in 2026 when they eventually come out due to supply issues, thanks 🙄. I can't believe they nuke 20+ ships just as people are getting back into playing in stores. Whoever made that call must be a former employee of EA with that behavior.

Why do these massive changes on a system that has worked for years.

AMG must have taken loss after loss in X-Wing. It does not matter to me anymore. I do not like the apps, as sometimes I want to play in unwired places. I will keep Ares: Battlestar Galactica starship battles on my shelf for when I get an itch for a good space dogfighting game. All the best tho.

New rules lol. Uh huh! Whatever, still on 1.0. Haven’t played in ages.

Your last 10 mins hit a lot of nails on heads

I'm turned-off in a big way. Does anyone remember all those Star Wars ships wrestling over a little dime in space? I get the impression that these changes are retaliation for some NPEs that AMG employees experienced. It feels punitive. Your channel (and Discord!) are really great sources of information for me as I've been on the fence about getting back in to X-Wing again. The answer for me right now is 'no!'

Too many changes for me Especially as nobody is playing due to covid

ahhh they mean 2.5+0.5 edition

Geez. AMG just needs to stop with the modifications. Before we even have a chance to digest the last round, they come out with this stuff. Miniature gamers don’t want massive reboots and changes to games they play. Awesome recap, I can’t even watch their live streams anymore, so keep it up!

I’m not a fan of this, I agree, this sounds like change just to make a change instead of trying to address any issues with the game.