Sunak’s mandatory National Service is a ‘terrible idea’ | Ed Vaizey 

Exactly !!! i told my sons don't ever go and fight for a country that hates you . Never .

@@GrooberNedJardineWhy would the entire country hate your sons? 😂 Are they really that bad?

@@GrooberNedJardine Tell me when did the EE ever have our best interest at heart?

​​@@GrooberNedJardineAgreed....and it probably wouldn't be for our nation, It would probably end up being for the european theatre........yet again!

Tell them to not work either. Everything should be free. Someone else should fight for us

Yeah and they probably won't be paid for it either. They'll be using 18 year olds as unpaid labour that's a tory service cut

It's disgusting how the younger generations are being treated.

@@user-hs1zh1se4c unpaid labour or literal cannon fodder?! And if you say no to being sent to the front line your bank account and passport are blocked. The desperate ones will be grabbing the dinghies the syrians leave on the beach and fleeing. Probably there'll be a huge boom in sick notes for ££ like in Ukraine and anyone with rich parents will be on some sort of disability benefit asap

the tories know that they're dead in the water - literally. there is no way for them to win the election. the national service idea is merely a fiction to support the further fiction that the party of strivers & good ideas is being thwarted by the party of moochers, post-election

When it comes to this, i want to see a plan for how it works before i judge. Since i went trough national service and I'm very happy i did however it wasn't exactly the military bits which made me feel content, it was the other stuff aka. the education i received in healthcare(field medic), the assistance i got with my drivers license, the ability to earn and save some money, not to mention the structure suited me at the time etc. This was how the Swedish program was setup, basically it was more of an education then doing military drills all day long. You could of course move into more professional military training if you wanted to, but the vast majority chose the basic military training and civic duties. Also the people who had a goal of heading into higher education or wasn't at all suited for the program got exempted, i even had the choice after my evaluation but still made the choice to sign up. However I am also proud of my country and i would without any doubt chose to remain here or be sent to the front lines if we ever went to war. The problem i see with mandatory military service often boils down to how motivated a person is... People who have no motivation to fight for their country ain't exactly suited for that purpose, in a sense they would probably end up being more of a liability then an asset. Even a person with no formal training but indeed do have the motivation is probably more valuable. Me and a coworker both received our "in case of war" assignments a few months ago, she have no training but she's a nurse so we will be stationed at the same hospital only difference is that she have a choice and is considered a civilian, I don't have those privileges.

All government, because they are all the same! We live in a dictatorship, democracy is dead!

Send them to Rwanda.

Sunak in front Not all on the right are in favour . I don't like it either . Stuff conscription . My IQ is sky high but my bravery is ZERO

Grant Shapps on the front line

Go live in Russia, before Russia comes to live with you.😂

Agree

Yep. No one who goes to private school is ever going to be doing this so-called national service nonsense. They will all get special exemptions. Or be given really cushy "jobs" to do.

​@@jackdubz4247 Exactly, I noticed how only those going into the military would get paid (though their policy seems to be constantly being contradicted by MPs) So in other words, working class kids will be pressured into going into the military because of financial pressure while the middle class kids will be able to have the more 'genteel' jobs because they'll be able to afford to not get paid.

Its a great idea. Actually a very bold idea. 🎉

That’s probably true of leadership - which is how most privileged think: how to take care of their now at the expense of all others. That’s not community, that’s classist/market capitalist. Not something to be proud of.

Exactly 💯

I could see him taking up a position on the board at Hindustan Unilever after losing the election.

You're actually closer to the truth than you think, a lot of their "advisers" work for members of several parties

For sure, I completely agree.

@@Norfolkbiker50 Which advisers are you talking about and how do you have this information? I'm starting from a position of not believing you know anything.

His wef bosses

@@gio-oz8gf the first one that springs to mind is Iain Anderson, there are obviously others because these people are freelance and can work for whoever they like, much like a solicitor, I don't care whether you think I know anything or not but if you don't think I do then do some research yourself instead of expecting me to do it for you because whatever I say you'll dispute anyway.

this is the people who would benifit most from this year in service , would give them some disipline how to look after yourself and makes you part of how to work in a group , makes you grow up it certainly made a better man of me

Translation_ anyone you don't agree with is "dumb" 🤨

​@@HelenBellen123National service is a dumb idea. I served for 22 years and national service is about the worst idea imaginable. I later refused to soldier after my second tour of Afghanistan, after gradually admitting it, like Iraq and world war two,.Vietnam and others , were wars the very rich, lazy, greedy business interests want to happen for their own gain. Not one was for the defence of a nation. Now, as a father myself, if an armed forces recruitment advisor tried to talk to my children, he would find himself picking his teeth up off of the floor in short order. I regret every single second of my service. I was conned.

@@lesdundas4869 you seriously think a year would be all it takes to not produce the kind of filth in the tory party now? maybe a decade.

@@lesdundas4869 The tory party?

National Service is not conscription. Can you not read?

@@AnotherPointOfView944 mandatory national service IS conscription!!

It just proves to show how desperate the Tories have become, it's not even a vote sweetener, it's a turn off for the books.

@@kristinabelievesinfairies It's mandatory voluntary service.

@@Andygb78 that's an oxymoron

Well said

Well said

Totally Agree. if they hadn't hollowed out the Armed forces... Emptied the ranks, Sold off the Barracks, withdrawn our troops from Germany... Sold our tanks for scrap: we wouldn't need it.

Rishi wants your children in those filthy trenches to fight the bear! 🇷🇺🐻🇷🇺

WW3 won't just remain in the Baltics. You should study the enormity of the problem. Under Putin's New World Order your Kids won't eat and you'll have no NHS to worry about.

Starmer being able to talk to world leaders on our behalf would make our nation proud?💀

Non boarding is probably only a bit more costly than full time nursery. The middle class stretching to send kids to private school are the ones who will no longer be able to. The wealthy won't be impacted

Yeah - there are not going to be a noticeable number of middle class people for this is a single issue election. It is cobblers. I have no idea where he is getting this from. The people for who this is seriously a single issue were never voting Labour anyway

Of course they won't he'll be off to America before they're old enough to do it.

@@alexwright3301 disgusting people, the ruling classes, the wealthy, and entitled. We a all so disposable, inconsequential to them.

@@alexwright3301 Pretty much what Bill Clinton did to avoid serving in vietnam

Putin's kids don't have to do it. They live in a mansion in Switzerland. What point are you trying to make here?

They are completely out of touch

The female presenter attacks any Labour leaning interviewee like a rottweiler on heat and gives tories an easy time .She is Julia Hartley Brewer with a red wig

They will get that in the military. My brother was in the navy, by the time he left he had a degree in engineering!.

Me and all my siblings except my sister were failed tragically by our schools.

Thank you

@@MR_THINQ The army has enough to do without becoming a massive vocational college, thanks.

To be fair, the public did vote for Brexit but I agree forcing 18 year olds to join up is daft.

@@ProfoundFamiliarity Those affected by this had no say... Neither did any of those who DIDN'T vote for Brexit (a majority of the eligible electorate, whatever spin you put on 'they didn't vote to stay so it was a vote to leave'). Leave won by the slimmest of margins, and declared the 'Will of the People'. A huge percentage of the nation were allowed no further say. Excluded from every aspect of the disaster that followed... So no. Let's NOT be 'fair'

@@gjaxx that's true although how else would we want the democracy to work?

@@ProfoundFamiliarity Oh, I don't know... Maybe if they'd been brave enough to hold a 2nd ref to validate johnson's 'oven ready deal'?... But he already knew how that would go, so chose to present boogy man Corbyn as a distraction instead. A one issue referendum rather than a broad spectrum election. After all, that was what brexit was decided on... in or out... with absolutely no plan as to how 'out' would work

I serve currently and you've hit the nail on the head.

Which is why the military option is voluntary

@@Taffnp If you don't do the military then you have to do the other. That is not how volunteering works. But it is how coercion works.

For once a sensible comment from young Tom

It's just for headlines, the govt could use jobcentres to encourage volunteering amongst young people.

Bravissimo 👏 👏👏

Its not the armed forces

Only 30,000 out of 3,000,000 would join the armed services. And most of them would be fighting from behind a desk and a laptop screen. The remainder would be doing community service. Again, only a small minority would be with the police, fire service and NHS - the vast majority would be picking up litter and sweeping the streets. Some in rural areas might get sent to do fruit picking and other farm tasks. Doesn't sound quite so bad now, does it?

@@timonsolus forced labour in menial jobs? Sounds great...

Some of the prison population could be doing tasks within the community. We need a work force that possess social skills, so many people don't know the basics of being civil and it's not always the younger generation

@@timonsolus It sounds bloody ridiculous and it's never going to happen. We live in the UK, not communist China. It's a throwaway line designed to appeal to their elderly voters. They sound increasingly clueless and desperate.

Most military officers do not want to become glorified babysitters to a revolving door of kids who don't want to be there. It's not the army's job to whip your child into shape and make up for the shortcomings in your own parenting. They've got a very important and dangerous job to do and we should stop bothering them with pointless nonsense.

I am over 70 and believe this plan is outrageous and should never be implemented

@@josephnulley6808 you are proof not everyone in your age group thinks like this but you have to admit, it appeals to a good number of older voters unfortunately

*favour

You're obviously young and naive. Nobody is too old not to be effected.

@@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968 no I'm 66. And by affected I meant personally asked to be involved. I appreciate your point I have a son as well and I would be furious if he were compelled to become part of the madness. Then there is the impact on the wider society. Thank you for the correction.

Nope getting the Tories out of power is more of a priority for voters

I hadn't even realised this was so important to me until this idea came to light. Who knew?

@@Tom_murray89keeping the squeaky guy with the massive noggin out of power is voters priority

@roncozens Ah, but it keeps the rabid Tory press in headlines . . .

Strong vibes similar to Corbyn's last-minute nationalize-all-internet-firms gaff before his election...

As he is failing at everything then you could be right because if he fails then he wins! What a ghastly thought.

Because they want the vote of the oldies, and know that most of them will be in favour of it. I’m old, but there’s no way I would vote for anyone who proposed this. I was married to a Vietnam Veteran. Enough said!

@Rj-xl8ei Armed Forces swear allegiance to the King and his successors, not who happens to be in number 10.

@@boota1979explain the ministry of defence then dip💩

@@boota1979 who would fight for big King Jug ears

@@SheilaBloom. In WWII people and the country were very different and in my opinion way better. They way our country has been wrecked from within saddens me to the core. I wonder Sheila if one day the world will be at peace.

@@boota1979 Personally, I think it’s the Job of politicians & diplomats to work for peace. War is a policy failure and I would we should send the failed policymakers to the front line first Last week we heard how the British state had deliberately murdered its people with cheap imported blood & lied about it for over 30 years sign up to protect these corrupt f*ckers on your bike.

Will you stop talking about the WEF, you sound like a fruitcake. What shape do you believe the Earth to be?

@ballshippin3809 You wouldn't be fighting for the WEF.

Don’t worry, you won’t be called up. There isn’t a tin foil hat brigade in the British Army.

@@Rondoggy67 Clueless....

@@Rondoggy67 Have you taken your 900th booster shot yet?..

Because they are now desperately clutching at straws.

@@briannewton3535 my comment is ironic in that in the last 14 years the Tories have only served themselves and not the nation.

@@edmurth Yup, I knew it was ironic, I chose my response to be less so, as the tories truly are clutching at straws now to gain relevance.

Exactly, the Tories think it's a vote sweetener, which it isn't, it's a turn off for the books.

It is called The WEF Plan…

It is. Sunak is trying to get some of the Tories that have gone over to Reform back in the fold.

Only 30,000 out of 3,000,000 would join the armed services. And most of them would be fighting from behind a desk and a laptop screen. The remainder would be doing community service. Again, only a small minority would be with the police, fire service and NHS - the vast majority would be picking up litter and sweeping the streets. Some in rural areas might get sent to do fruit picking and other farm tasks. Doesn't sound quite so bad now, does it?

@@timonsolus where would the funding for this come from? what return would the nation get on its investment over how long? the logistical infrastructure needs to be built up to support this. Training a pressed person is worth far less than a willing person. Professionals are volunteer, you need to know the person next to you believes in why they are there not because they have no other choice.

Thank you for your service and for this honest comment

@@ben_______123abc : The Tories have said that the National Service scheme would be funded by raiding the levelling up budget (they don’t care about levelling up disadvantaged areas anymore, because the people in those areas now mostly support Labour). I imagine that going forward they would fund the scheme by putting fines on young people who don’t comply, or maybe even by allowing rich young people to pay a large fee and buy themselves an exemption from service.

richi is counting the days until he is in San Francisco.

Exactly and don't forget the Krays were National Servicemen spending their time in the Glass House before a Dishonourable Discharge! It's totally ludicrous!

My late dad was the same. He did his NS back in the 50's. He said most of them were always being dragged back after going AWOL because they didn't want to be there. Just wasted two prime years of his life. The professional army didn't want to know about them.

@MrCostas32 80 seats, I was hoping 80 votes!

I'm 45 and it appeals to me! 👍

​@@RemoanersRtossersSend you first gammon

@@danielcraig4974 Your mother loves Gammon . 😉

​@@RemoanersRtossersEnlist, lead by example

@@peterholden3672 At least 10 years too old Son! Any more silly questions or is that your quota for the day?

I really really hope not. I'm sure elderly people are better than this.

​@@iwaddi1037Don't get your hopes up.

MPs have been cheating benefits as long as I can remember I am 73 years old

I would love to see the tories sink to below 100 seats. 70 seats would be a win fer sure. There is a possibility that the Lib Dems could take a few more off the tories though at the cost of what Labour could get. Calling the election later could have put the tories in third place behind the Lib Dems, that would have been awesome, though calling it early should put them in opposition. I am kinda going with your prediction though lib dems getting a handful more and labour a few less. I put the tories getting 85 seats.

I predict labour 450 cons 100 Still got the die hard old white haired withered oldies that haven't a clue, still vote conservative having no idea what they are actually voting for..... 😂😂 They will be up there with there Zimmer frames certain that they know best!

@@briannewton3535 I hope the Lib Dems mop up the centre Tories and become the new opposition. People who want populist conservativism can vote Reform. There's no need for a Tory party in 2024.

British Bulldog puppies only, though, to foster a sense of service to the nation.

@@Andygb78 And only for the over 70s. Cared for by voluntary mandatory service from teenagers.

Well two thirds of the soldiers that fought in the Korean War were National service and almost 400 were killed in action.They were pleased enough with them then.

@@roydavidlivermore4664 Taught how to use a Bren, 303 rifle, mortar and grenades plus blancoing webbing and painting coal white (read the play “Chips with Everything” by Arnold Wesker. That’s not to belittle the contribution but in 1952 the size of the British Army was 871,000 so many National Servicemen were support troops. Plus there were no drones, manpads, artillery detection radar systems, missile systems or computerised comms systems all of which require months of training. Different times in 1952.

@@owencarlstrand1945 Yes,and of course there is now a very small regular army who would be unable to cope with huge intakes of recruits.

@@roydavidlivermore4664 Absolutely correct.

This isn't conscription. Can you not read?

@@AnotherPointOfView944 Yes, but that is the actual plan!

War is a terrible thing.

Agree, thanks for being one of the few to mention the benefits.

They can't refuse, it's compulsory!

Of course you can refuse, you always have a choice. You may to to prison but it's still a choice.

​@@privatefeaces they can't put anyone in prison as there are no spaces!

​@@deviousdescent9010they can't make it compulsory

@@Koi-addict33 Can't you remember the 'pandemic' They can do what they want, we have no say!

Straight out of Putin's policies.

Well is the sort of thing Putin would use to convince the Russian people that the West is preparing for war with Russia.

I think he left it a bit late. When labour was in power we had 113,000 Defence personnel. the tories took us down to 75,000 I think just too little too late. 😅

Or in the words of Morrissey "Don't vote, it only encourages them".

Language didn’t matter during world war 2 era. Check the word war 2 casualties

@@user-xw7cs3cx8e Yes good point. It’s not relevant here at all but thanks for sharing it. all the sane.

@@Mizzkan Why is it not relevant here?

@@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968 Is it not obvious from my comment.? Why would anybody fight for the UK when you have a society fractured into ethnic groups and who despise you. Like I said let them fight for it , I certainly won’t 👍

@@Mizzkan You're fighting to live in a democratic country. If you hate democracy you could live in Russia, now very much a fascist country. You display certain racist tendencies so it might be a good move for you. Mobilization is colour blind.👍🏼

English Armed forces? So they are only there to defend England? Why do the 'English military' have nuclear weapons in Scotland then?🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

More British Muslims joined ISIS than they ever did for the British armed forces. Just shows you where their true loyalties really are. Yet they are just as British as you and me supposedly...

@@therealrobertbirchall hey, I'm just telling you what the report said at the time, and you're right, a disproportionate number of members of the BRITISH armed forces are Scottish, Welsh and Irish.

@@ballshippin3809 we both know there's no such thing as a "British Muslim".

@Norfolkbiker50 Why were Muslims exempt? Muslims fought and died in their millions in WWII. What changed 2005/2010 to suddenly give them an exemption?

Nope.