Super Saiyan Blue Sucks 

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Super Saiyan God feels more prestigious than Blue despite being weaker. It is displayed only 3 times in whole anime but every appearance was cool.

Comes out of nowhere, replaces a form that actually has a cool concept and cool potential, gets one-shot by a mini laser, dumb/lazy name-scheme, why is it blue??, get's whooped the first fight it's introduced in, gets used on fodder constantly...

The fact that they didn't call Vegeta's advanced SSB form "Royal Blue" was such an infuriately missed opportunity!

SSG was a cool concept, i love that it made Goku appear younger and more thin and spry, it was a great change of pace from the typical forms (bigger+longer hair=stronger). Then it got replaced with what is essentially SSJ2 with blue hair.

Vegeta getting his kill stolen was one of the most disrespectful moments in anime like there was no reason for it to happen besides shaming vegeta yet again

I actually enjoyed myself with resurrection F until the end where vegeta didn’t get his kill and that left such a sour taste in my mouth

Blueper Saiyan just makes me laugh cause it really does feel like they had a Gray Super Saiyan Toy model around the office when they were brainstorming and were like "We need a new form for merc- I mean the story yes the story" & then an intern was walking up for a coworkers birthday & had cupcakes and actually tripped and the blue frosting from them got on the figure and then everyone in the office were all like "Eureka" 😂

I like the design of ssj4 the best. It was very different from the rest and felt like a going back to your roots transformation.

You know what bugs me about the Zamasu arc is that after checking the wiki, apparently you can only use the time rings if you're wearing potara. So, Goku Black and Zamasu have these GIANT GLARING WEAKPOINTS with these physical objects that, in the Buu arc, Goku and Vegeta managed to destroy with one hand. Fused Zamasu was entirely preventable if EITHER of the SSBs in the scene were smart enough to recognize Zamasu's GLARING weak point in relying on magical artifacts rather than innate inner strength.

It's hilarious to hear someone say Ultra Ego is perfect for Vegeta since the entire gimmick is that Vegeta gets his ass kicked to become stronger and then still loses because he got his ass kicked too hard. I couldn't think of a more perfect ability for him at this point, lol!

Frieza said it best "What is this super sayian with blue hair dye ?"

Ssb has taken the most L’s out of any saiyan form 😂

Goku losing to Kale in SSJB was the final nail in the coffin for me when it came to that form. Regardless if Goku was holding back or not seeing Kale walk straight through a kamehameha by a SSJB Goku was just disrespectful. It was literally a punching bag transformation losing every fight it was in. It doesn’t matter if Broly was the legendary SSJ there’s no reason why he who never had a sparring partner was able to beat a full power SSJG & Blue in his base form. Just terrible power scaling

Super Saiyan Blue should have just been Vegeta's version of Super Saiyan God, have it where the difference in hair colour is based off the way you attained the transformation (Goku through the ritual, Vegeta through training). Then Vegeta gets evolution which we could just call Super Saiyan God 2 and Goku moves onto Ultra Instinct

"um everyone loved blue when it first came out" has got to be the hardest cap I've ever heard about this series

All they literally had to do was call the Super Saiyan God transformation was "Saiyan God", then call Blue "Super Saiyan God". Super Saiyan God more so or less retained base-form hair-style, so to not just simplify it by naming it Saiyan God has just infuriated and perplexed me since it's creation & introduction.

I kinda wish they just kept the original super saiyan god form with the red hair. I think introducing ssj blue completely undermines ssg.

GOD Toppo didn't actually hold back... he was risking being disqualified but it was basically an equal trade off to get rid of Vegeta

I think you nailed what makes UI and UE so awesome. They're really the first transformations for Goku and Vegeta that aren't just power boosts, they have characteristics that lean into the natural abilities of their users.

I've had this exact feeling, the blue form always felt kinda "there" and never induced the fear or awe SSJ1 or 3 did

Blue Evolution is just Super Vegeta with bluer hair

I think what really killed the form for me at least was Goku and Vegeta going back to their Z outfits. The transformation actually looked badass in their Whis gi’s. They were definitely made for those outfits and not their original ones.

As much as I believe in letting people have their own opinion, I could never understand how any Dragon Ball fan could like SSJB when it was probably the least creative and least appealing transformation to look at. Not to mention the fact that it took so many losses throughout Super.

My issue is simply the power escalation the form had for no reason. Now it requires comical power jumps for any other character to be relevent. Freeza, piccolo, Gohan. Even Broly. Its because of the entire series power marathon.

0:05 How even tf people could get tired of ssjg if ssgb appeared in the next arc and dragon ball super just started? I have more and more concerns about dragon ball fans as most of them don't even know what to say to look smart. I mean WOW saying that Dragon Ball is manipulating us and ssgb evolution is not different from regular blue form? Dude, if you watched anime you can literally see that it is on the same level as Kaioken form. I mean good job, you made a 16 min video yapping bout the blue form without any good reason

And this is why I prefer Super Saiyan 4. First of all, it's an awesome, original design and not just a recolor. Second, it fucks! And third, it actually wins 80% of its fights! Not to mention they don't spam the shit out of it, so it actually feels genuinely important. I also like how it's an actual SAIYAN transformation.

As much as i like the idea of Super Sayian Blue. I do wish it was addressed differently then it was originally. Especially when considering that the power scaling that Toriyama stated in Battle of Gods where Goku was 6, Beerus 10 and Whis 15. But in the concept of Super, i believe everyone or most agreed that the Zamasu arc was a better way to add Super Sayian Blue. But if they kept the original concept of Blue being added during Friezas return then I would’ve liked to see Mastered Super Sayian be used; as like how the manga did it.

Super Saiyan Blue was a disappointment for me in its debut, the fact that Frieza was whoopin Goku’s ass most of the fight was already showed me that the form was gonna be useless

I agree that SSB is terrible, but bruh, the first 2:30 of your video make zero sense. Like, all those words are in english, but fuck if I can understand them.

The form and the end of Resurrection F felt like a kick to the groin...

A big reason is, we never saw how Goku and Vegeta archive blue

Ultra ego works for vegeta because now vegeta can get something from getting his ass kicked

I love super saiyan blue in the anime but they portrayed it better in the manga. They made god and blue work in tandem with one another. They even explained why some characters were so much stronger than they are. Overall, the power scaling made much more sense in the manga than in the anime.

I did not expect someone would start a controversial opinion about super saiyan blue sucking as a transformation concept. And I fully agree. It killed the satisfaction of having a transformation and the gap difference in the series. The super transformations basically made dragonball a dye saloon for power-ups that don't even impact drastically in battle.

I will never understand the need for people to compare strength off of "feats." If a superhero loses to a villain, that doesn't mean that superhero is weaker than some child because "at least that child beat a dog in a fight." It's beyond obvious that that villain's strength is incomparable to a dog attack. If someone is required to have beat an enemy in combat to not be considered weak, then the story will be required to conform to an obvious line, and every new system or form would be overwhelmingly favored removing the tension that you feel is so terribly removed from the story beforehand.

I find it hilarious that Toriyama forgot the series was named Dragon Ball Super when coming up with the Super Hero name.

The sad thing about UI and UE now is that it is now following the trend that SSB followed in that it’s going to be overused and then replaced by something better. I mean that is what DB does ever since the beginning of Z but still disappointing to see 2 very unique forms going to waste

I hate it in the anime, but love all the mechanics, drawbacks and improvements that make it interesting in the manga! A little effort goes a long way into making it interesting and unique.

Two strongest saiyan in history that was trained by an angle got their ass whooped by a random guy that lived on a planet with bugs 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

When I was a kid, we used to theorize what Super Saiyan 5 would be and on one occasion, we found a picture of a blue-haired Goku claiming to be SS5. Imagine my author surprise when 20ish years later, they made that canon.

It's literally never explained why Vegeta has God ki and I'm mad about it

I agree with everything, Dbs goku really be going ssb for no reason 😂 imagine if z goku went ssj3 against raditz 💀 it’s just dumb imo

Super was trash but soon as they introduced this blue shit was the nail in the coffin

Another issue is that every Super Saiyan form up until this point had some level of strain and difficulty achieving associated with it. Every subsequent form was harder to maintain, and were used sparingly. SSG was awesome, but SSB is just rebranded Super Saiyan.

Super Saiyan Blue Evolution is basically just Super Saiyan 2 for Blue. With the same issue of it looking nearly identical to the the first form. Just that instead of electric sparks, it's light sparkles and a brighter glow.

Bottom tiers forms: SS Blue SS Rage Beast

Hey qaa thanks for still being out here making videos! I've been subbed since like 2014-2015 and always appreciated your video essays/in depth theories. You kept dragonball exciting for me along with tfs pre-super. Especially as a young black kid back then it was dope to see you doing your thing as it is now. Always supporting you g

Super Sayian blue, red, white, green, rose, brown, black, orange...who the hell cares, at this point it has become a TOTAL farse. These forms are not made to progress the plot in interesting ways, it just want's to sell you different toys, games and action figures, so why even care at f*ckin all. This is not OG Dragon Ball, that had passion and soul in it, this is fully commercial *Zombie Dragon Ball*

Was hoping for more of a storytelling/ thematic analysis but it's just who it did/didn't beat in a fight. Though I guess that in and of itself is why Super is lacking as a whole. No narrative throughline. More product than story.

2:38 I like that you mention the DragonBall cultural zeitgeist since many forms have stood the test of time for different reasons Super-Saiyan 1: Arguably the most iconic animé transformation of all time Super-Saiyan 2: Gohan put this form on the map and Majin Vegeta is on of the Buu Saga’s highlights Super-Saiyan 3: Yet another iconic transformation sequence emblematic of Goku's character always going further beyond Super-Saiyan 4: The hype factory for DB games as well being one of GT’s shiniest beacons. Super-Saiyan God: The form that debuted in the movie that revived DragonBall and is appreciated whenever it is seen. Super-Saiyan Blue: .....um.......................uh........................Gogeta mopped Broly though...........

Ultra Ego is a useless pointless form in all honesty.... it doesn't really do anything... it doesn't have anything to do with Hakai energy or Gods of Destruction, Beerus doesn't use Ultra Ego... lol... all it does is make Vegeta ambiguously stronger but only up until he takes an ambiguous amount of damage that is too much and then he gets knocked out of the form.... 😅 It's literally a less effective version of what Bergamo from the trio de danger is capable of doing

Unironically my favorite form. Not even kidding

Calling Blue Kaioken the "Rocket Popsicle" transformation had me in stitches 🤣

Im so bored of this animmeeee brooo its the SAME THING every arc. We always know how its gonna end. These arent even "forms"

I wonder what kind of fusion they would get from ultra instincts and ultra ego together.

Gohan's ultimate form is the best, no flashy colors, just pure base form design with the bang. And able to rival the blue level lmao 😆

2:25 dude stared rhyming out of nowhere 💀 WHY DOES HE KEEP RHYMING 💀😭😭

I hate what's happened to Dragon Ball. The last time it was good was literally in the 90s. Christ...

I’ll even push back on the “looks cool” part. It looks the most uninspired and lazy.

Ey bro, I’m not gonna lie, you’re on your own with the super sayian god take. I was NOT tired seeing that form. It was barely shown anyways, and calling him anorexic is a HUGE stretch he still had a lot of muscle. If anything, super sayian god was treated better than super sayian blue. Whenever you see it it was way more special

Agreed 100%. Not to mention, the form itself is so lazily drawn. Literally SSJ with blue hair. It’s like Toriyama lost inspiration. At this point, I’m convinced he did.

Sad thing is the concept for SSG was great. Goku reverting to a non-primal method of fighting by having his relaxed expression be the default and the red hair being base in style. It actually looked very unique. I was so letdown it just became, well, they literally decided to call it SSB themselves. Kaioken SSG would have looked sick too. MUI is really just a rip-off of the original idea of SSG. I won't deny the aura and hair still resembling base is cool, but I feel it would have been much cooler as a direct successor to SSG and SSB simply didn't exist. Hell, I'm still mad SS3 never had a mastered form simply because Toriyama didn't like drawing it. But, really, Ultra Instinct just feels like a nice continuation of SSG and it is a real shame it had to be after SSB, as if Goku just forgot he learned that new calmer aura and decided to fight angry again. _To me, here are the real forms to the creator:_ - Super Saiyan - Super Saiyan Blue - Mastered Ultra Instinct Anything else was just a stopgap, even the ones that looked really cool. If I could bash any of them, I guess only Gohan made SS2 look cool, but Goku barely had an aesthetic change besides those "aura sparks" everyone goes on about. _TL;DR: Wish SSG was focused on more, UI was the successor to SSG, SSB never existed._

One of the worst videos I’ve ever watched 😂 it looks awesome it’s awesome in the story and y’all just cry and complain

It should of been Saiyan God and then Super Saiyan God. Super Saiyan blue is dumb name

Honestly, apart from Super Saiyan, most forms fall short and don’t offer much. They mostly just provide a power boost. Although Super Saiyan Blue has its merits, like the ability to combine with Kaioken and perfect ki control, which adds some value at least.

Man i wish Ssgss/blue had a better name, but Also that it was a darker blue, and Gokus and Vegetas hair would change to a different style and made throw in red eyes

Lol secret ability to read the commentators mind 😂😂 Dunno why but that got a chuckle outta me

No one gonna talk about it being dawg walked so bad against Jiren

Okay so how could people get tired of "Anorexic god goku" When he had 1 appearance before super saiyan blue lmao. SSJG is probably one of my favorite forms as far as appearance goes.

Vegeta's upgraded blue form's eyes. I just can't take him seriously with those pupils. Goku's Ultra Instinct has the same, but it feels less "magical girl"-y.

I don't think the issue is the blue transformation. I think transformations in general are over used throughout the series too often as a reliance, especially in Super. The first time Goku goes super saiyan you really felt this is something special. Now, any fight that is initiated Goku and Vegeta transform right from the start and it takes away from the feeling of these "unachievable/legendary" forms being something special every time you see it on screen every 5 minutes. I personally want to see more fights in base form, it shows how strong they are and all the years of training paying off. Nothing is exciting knowing the hero gets a x50 power boost as soon as they transform, let them struggle a bit and find ways of fighting their enemy in creative ways without strength being the deciding factor. Besides that is Goku and Vegeta's personalities, finding joy in combat and new techniques.

One of the only things that bothers me about ultra instinct is the fact that its apparently already "Perfected?"

Super Saiyan beat buu also

please it just colors that's cheap transformations what a creative.

3:40 "Rocket Popsicle" got me rolling🤣

Goku didn't say that he doesn't want to no longer use Mastered Ui he just said that he's not using the Mastered Ui form its hard to use because it requires a calm heart & Goku's heart wasn't calm at that time when he was fighting against Gas

Blue should have been introduced in the Black arc, either when Goku got stabbed and returned or when Vegeta trained in the HTC to rematch Black. For me it's more of a god ki issue. God alone was told to us was stroger than any amount of mortal ki a mortal could muster. Then outside the movies, God and Blue are treated by both villain and ally alike like they are battling against a SS or SS2. _Sigh._

"Super Saiyan Blue Sucks"? Allow me to correct that phrase, "Dragon Ball Super Sucks.

The form was lazy design, in the anime you see the form get rivaled by others with mortal ki which for me really made rethink just how superior god ki actually is compared to mortal ki, I honestly just feel like 70% of DBS has been a cheap not well thought out cash grab........

Thank you. This is an incredible video highlighting so many flaws of the flashy nonsense of Super. On top of the issues with how blue is utilized, it also immediately replaced SSG off screen which was a cool form in its own right, and because of how it was replaced there was no build up, no suspense except for a very brief time during the movie, and no scaling. Based on ssj multiplier it should be 50x the strength of SSG, but that doesn't really tell us anything about SSG, nor does it line up with how we're told the form works in the future, being about ki control.

Could future trunks have killed freiza only using his tongue, like Tao did with blue ?

I like how the SSB is carried out in the manga, having its strengths and weaknesses which are polished, this is because the rivals in the manga are not inflated to the limit, an example is with Hit, in the anime it is ultra-megahyper powerful being able to fight against a SSB kaiokenx20 Goku, but in the manga the God form was enough for them, and with the SSB they completely surpassed him, it also happens with fused zamasu, which Vegetto Blue obliterated, there was no point of comparison, so much so that Goku with the perfected SSB was able to confront him. What I want to say is like in the manga the form does look powerful since every time you see it used you can see the raw power of the blue form. so yes, SSB manga >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSB anime And about Master Roshi being "stronger" than Jiren, you are exaggerating, being able to dodge Jiren's blows in the T.o.P. was not because Roshi was stronger, but rather it was because he had more technique and experience in combat, even Wiz mentions that Roshi's way of dodging is similar to UI (this is chapter 39) but obviously Roshi cannot win against Jiren in a fight... because Roshi literal was beaten in one hit by Jiren in the next page

bruh lmao, SSB is one of the best DB transformations in the manga

Dragon Balls artwork has gone downhill for years

*Hits Like immediately*

We got SSG for BoG and immediately got replaced

when he said goku pulled off the ssb kaioken that look like the rocket Popsicle color I felt that

I’ll just say that Krillin fighting against Super Saiyan Blue Goku is not just a straight, relevant power comparison. They grew up training together, so Krillin can make up for skill difference in match-up familiarity with Goku’s formational style. I doubt he would have done so well against Vegeta. Generally, we need to think about the tournament of power fights more for matchups and less for like “this person is stronger and therefore wins.” That whole arc was largely about fighters pushing themselves to their limits and surpassing themselves while utilizing their unique strengths.

Coz they squeezed ssg, ssb ssbe and ui all into one series.

I love the name Toppo it makes the character more unique. I can't take the name Top seriously. It might be the worst name change in the series.

Excellent video bro, I have been saying this for a while is that Super Saiyan Blue is underwhelming because it has no true feats. This is why SSJ 4 will always be the better transformation.

Major powers learned in DB: * kamehameha * flight Major powers learned in DBZ: * kaio ken (changes his hair color but can only be done in short bursts to avoid injury) * spirit bomb * super saiyan * instant transmission * super saiyan 2 * fusion * super saiyan 3 Major powers learned in Super: * super saiyan god (ssj4) * super saiyan blue (ssj5) * ultra instinct (ssj6) * mastered ultra instinct (ssj7) I notice a creeping trend where these powerups are more and more turning into sonic OC recolors based on the original super saiyan design. In DB, goku got stronger by training and just getting better at fighting in general. The only real powers he learns in the show are the kamehameha, which he learns by watching Roshi do it once, and flight, which he learned in his 3 years of offscreen training with kami, where he comes back in his teen form, no longer the little monkey boy, but a big monkey man. Other than that, Goku doesn't really use ki based powers. He just slaps the shit out of people with his brute force animal strength. In Z, the powers that Goku learns are generally well- balanced, until the cell arc where it becomes all about higher and higher levels of super saiyan. You can see this disease take root easily in GT where there's an explicit ssj4 transformation, and in super, where every major power goku learns is just another aura/hair color change. This is why imo it's hard to take DB's story seriously post frieza arc. Which is not to shit on dragon ball, it's just an observation about how the special powers start out unique and varied and slowly converge into "new stronger form with different colors". In DB you had the dodon ray, the mafuba technique, that thing Tao Pai Pai did with the pillar, the devil man's evil beam, tien's four arm technique, chiaotzu's telekinesis, the fucking carrot man, general blue's power to paralyze people, a robot girl named arale who could just punt him into outer space, in Z you have kaio ken, the spirit bomb, instant transmission, captain ginyu's body swap ability. All of these are very unique and varied abilities compared to the immense number of saiyan transformations

Only SSJ1 and 2 actually got W's when introduced. Everything else got their asses kicked/became obsolete by something else flashy, quickly. It's just the way it goes with power creep, and dragonball is the power creep frontrunner. One simple thing: How the hell are these guys able to fight in planets without obliterating them when Piccolo exploded the moon while training Gohan? Doesn't matter, just bring on the next hair change and give it a shitty name! When a work of fiction pisses on its own rules/structure, it's whatever. Either watch it for the fireworks or stop watching it because it insults what you got into it for.

4:49 I don’t remember Gotenks beating Beerus in the Battle of Gods MOVIE 😂

Literally every SSJ transformation after the first one is just redunancy.

I think you missed the point the ssb form replaced the normal yellow form so in super it like as if he was regular super sayin when he’s in the fight so think of it like that cuz how the show presented it

Unpopular opinion here: I think this was the PURPOSE of SSB. Them 2 getting introduced to the 'god aura', even if SSB itself isnt the 'end all power'. But that way they could foreshadow the godly ultra instinct that they would later achieve? As they explained, it basically is a form that 'ventures' into the godly ki, while perservinig a lot of energy and being calm. Meaning, while fighting in that form, it allows them to improve fast. Think of blue as a 'taste' of the god aura power for them 2. At least thats how I think about it.

ss blue sucks? nah. 90% of db super just sucksass lol

Kudos for using Dragonball final bout music, that game is a straight classic man dayum