Superchips Renaultsport Megane vs Ford Focus RS - Auto Express 

+Adam Wright So a 400 quid makes the megane better then the RS? In what? 0-60 performance? There is more to a car you know, try driving both and you will realize why the Focus RS is more expensive, and why it is still, 6 years later, holding a premium value at 18-23k depending on lux pack and milage.

Its a french car....

​@@boljdurk8790 The Megane beats up the Focus RS tbh. Dynamically at least. Especially the later 265/275 models, and DEFINITELY the Trophy. The Megane is the more modern car with a more modern basis. Any Megane with the Cup pack and the Focus has no hope on twisties. It's much heavier for a start. The Renault is just sharper and more adjustable. This makes it sound like the Ford is somehow bad, but it just has a different character. It's more of a bruiser cruiser than chuckable hot hatch. Lap times hold this out, a 265 Cup beats an RS around most timed circuits despite being supposedly miles down on power. A 265 Trophy batters it. The Ford holds a premium because it's a low volume car with the RS badge, anything with the RS badge on it good or bad holds its value. Same goes for the mk1 Focus which is silly money now, but truth is a period EP3 Honda Civic Type R for less than half the price is the better car.

@@pgr3290 what will keep its value and gove you best all round experience?

@@brooklynsparks1016 The Focus RS will hold its value but you're also going to have to pay twice as much as a Megane RS for similar age and condition to get one. It also has higher running costs which offset the depreciation somewhat. The Focus is too expensive for what it is. Basically for half the price plus a map you can have a Megane RS which realistically handles better and is easily as fast. If you have the money to buy a mk2 Focus RS then the other options are more attractive to me. For example you can get a really good similar age E90 M3, or much newer M140i. Perhaps you fancy a FN2 Type R which is now similar money, newer, and again a better car all round. The mk2 RS is a great car but not enough to justify the used prices. The real mystery is why anyone would think the RS was anything like a match for a bonafide M3. With a four litre, 420 horsepower naturally aspirated V8 driving the rear wheels, optionally through a manic DCT gearbox, plus BMW interior quality. You would even get a warranty for the amount people still pay for the front drive Ford Focus with the plastic interior and rusty rear arches. I wouldn't.

*rs3 joins the chat*

Where did you go for the remap?

@@LouisLeungJr RS tuning in Leeds

@@z06dave Just had mine mapped, just under 300hp and it's made such a massive difference... XD

@@SpartanV41 it's awesome isn't it. I've been looking at the new Mégane 4 RS (300 trophy) a remap takes it to 380hp! 😳

What mods have you done to get just under 300bhp

Yeah, Focus RS was amazing, because of 5 cylinder engine sound. Too bad the new one is turbo4 ;/

Lol 420whp stock turbo, someone doesn’t have a clue how to calibrate a dyno

winzfeld1 your wrong there. With a remap and some minor upgrades the rs focus easily reaches 420 hp on stock turbo

Yes. Cause it has 5 cylinder and it's practical for everyday use.

+HeavyHanded when you push it once it isn't noticeable granted! but push it twice and hold the button ! Well I can't deny it it noticeable

+HeavyHanded maybe mine is remapped before I bought it! But yes acceleration is noticeably faster

+jonathan connor acceleration is not faster. It is the same if you press pedal to the metal. The difference is the sensibility, or better said, the throttle map. In normal mode, it is mote linear, this, 50% press gives roughly 50% butterfly open, but on most aggresive mode, 50% press gives 100% butterfly open. The result of this is that in RS mode, partial throttle gives more power, but full throttle gives the same in every mode.

This is not true. i have stock rs 265 and in standard mode i makes only 250 hp and 340nm In sport mode 265 and 360 nm

My cup-s is 250 in normal mode and the full 275 when the RS button is pressed 👌

BULLSHIT!!

just check out Tiff Needle in a focus rs 500 and he could not keep up with Meaden in a megan R26 with only 225hp, the focus is pure numbers on a spread sheet, in real world performance it's all power and weight, once you push it hard, it shows it's normal car side, great on the road, shit on a track.

I drive a Focus RS and I am very doubtful that it could keep up with a Megane like this on a track. It is simply too much weight on the Ford. However, on an open road it's another story. :)

bign3ck it does not.

Its french....

It,s ok mapping the focus RS. but it,s shit in the twisties with 300bhp. what do you think it gonna be like when you can go faster in a straight line? brake even earlier or end up in an edge bottom. best thing to do with focus RS is lighten it. and sort out the suspension. 300bhp is plenty if you know how to use it. any moron can drive fast in a straight line with 400bhp.

santclause1 An RS is shit in the twisties? Have you even driven one? It's a limpet. It has so much front end grip and the point is, it works in the real world. It's comfortable and usable too. It's probably a bit too heavy, but that is the nature of the mark 2 focus anyway. The 5 cylinder engine is just brilliant and worth the extra weight for the sound alone. It's pretty amazing how well sorted and hilarious it is to drive on a B road. I would map the Megane, but I would map the Focus as well. It's chassis easily deals with the extra power no sweat.

vulcanproject Yes i have driven one. and you obviously haven,t driven one hard enough to say it has so much front end grip. but maybe it,s just me. because i,m used to my Renaultsport. personally your sat way to high. and it understeers way too much. yes you can play with the lift off oversteer but thats not fast. that just hides an ok chassis rather than a great one. yes the sound is nice but all Volvo 5 cylinders sound lovely. but that alone isn,t enough to warrant buying one. especially when Renaultsport do it better for cheaper. Also for 10k people are better off picking up mazda 3 MPS. underpinnings are the same as focus. just tuned diffrent.

You're not wrong on power gains.. Mine is at 315bhp and 370 lb/ft (map, catback exhaust and panel filter) Chassis can easily take it and more and I am fully confident that mine could leave a standard and mapped Focus RS for dead. The torque steer alone in the Focus is likely to kill the driver anyway! (Yes, I've driven one)

steerj07 There is extremely little torque steer on an RS. On a stock one if you accelerate in a straight line you can feel it, but otherwise it's damped out incredibly well and this is why the RS handles even more power and torque fairly easily. The Volvo engine is immensely strong, which explains why there are so many stock turbo 400BHP+ 450lb/ft+ examples around. It makes a beautiful sound again difficult to replicate in the Renault. Both have their strengths, but if you are into tuning beyond a little map or so the Focus is probably the better bet.

I reckon it's only when you file a claim, they might argue that you fail to inform them of the upgrade itself, and thus they might not pay out based on that

Yes they can run a diagnostic its very easy to find out.

Nåti M How ?? If your getting your "Renault" for example on a dyno and tuning it a small bit lets say 20bhp how will anyone ever find out ?

TextuReProGameR If you wanna straight pipe it or like go to a steel induction... small stuff you should be ok. Renault would not mind and most likely keep your warranty intact. But remaps, decats... etc No Car company would let the warranty stand then.

Wezzerm holy smokes (I’m not in the UK). If the car was mapped how would insurance even know? I mean, if 10 yr old cars are involved in accidents are the insurers going to front up every time with OBD devices to download and analyse calibration values?

jonscoupe can also buy a £20 gtec chip for it which takes it to 250/260 but i'd spend a bit more and get a hybrid turbo for a safe 300bhp= mega 3rd gear 50-100mph fun.

YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUT MY MOUTH !

megane rs is not stock

Power ! No shit it says it in the video

Alan Ton Megane RS is like... 5 years old? Which means... A LOT in the "car world". The new Renault Megane RS in 2016 will obliterate Type R on the Nurburgring... just as THIS one obliterated EVERY other Type R.

Eazy E haha. Well just have to wait and see.

Eazy E you can't really compare this rs to the fn2 or ep3 because both are NA and the rs is running boost. If you put a big fat blower on the k20 I don't think it would stand a chance. Sorry.

Alan Ton" Hand on heart the new civic type R would destroy both cars lol yes! I'm a big honda fanboy." I'm talking about stock cars. You're comparing newest car to an old car, what's the point? Which difference is bigger 1 year or 5 years? Of course 5 years, so wait a year more for the new Megane RS and you'll see.

300hp

lloyd dixon have fun with.. Terrible quality Bad body work Unreliable engine Shit engine sound compared with an Rs Loads of Renault Megane rally history, oh wait.. What does RS even stand for on the Megane? "Really Shit" by any chance? And a Renault badge..

Tyler Ainsworth But to be fair the Megane is a pretty good track car.

lloyd dixon Ive owned the MK1 Focus RS, and clio 172/182 and to be fair the reputation of cheap and flimsy is fairly accurate on the older renaults. I really like the new megane though and sitting one you can tell reanult has worked hard on upgrading the quality of the interior. Just wondering if you have had any problems with your at all? You can buy a good Megane RS for 12k now which is around 6k cheaper than a budget RS. I dont think the MK2 RS looks as good as the mk1 in my opinion and its worth noting the engine is always shy of 300bhp, probably need a remap to make the claimed 300bhp lol. But driving the mk1 it always felt special while driving it, the boost was strong and felt like an aggressive car which is why im still torn

J'adore la 21 2l turbo mais combien fait la 21 au nurburgring? beaucoup plus que la Megane

Elle marche bien la m3rs, un bon stage 1 fait largement l'affaire, amplement suffisant pour une traction, j'adore la focus rs mk2 mais elle est très cher et pas forcément plus fiable que la mégane

tim brownridge true my friend bought his focus rs brand new after a year or 2 he put it on the dyno ... only to see he only had 273 hp

+grassi ghassen or an Lamborghini. It´s awesome enough to beat the RS with i think 300hp? The Megane got 265hp.

very nice....it must be very special to have a lambo with les than a 30k....