Superman II (1980) - Superman vs. Zod Scene (6/10) | Movieclips 

First day in Metropolis eh

That's how old school movies did it

Me too.

Right! I always try to not be a witness to anything like. Any crimes. Any fights. Once I see things starting to heat up, I'm out.

Let’s be real, this is exactly what would happen in real life, especially in NYC. People would be whipping their phones out and trying to record the whole thing

@Aaron Morris Man of Steel is amazing visually.

The effects in these movies far exceed the remade superman movies by a landslide.. The flying in this using practical methods are still the best..

My dad was on 1982

This is the the top of empire state building

It's in new York

Your Dad sounds awesome

He was

@@chrisrowl5001 May he Rest In Peace

Ri.p

Me too as well.

Childhood???? Aren’t you like 19 or something???? Don’t think you were alive in the 80s

except Nostalgia Critic

The truck driver behind the convertible just gets back into his truck too .

Nobody did because he took the fight to the Fortress

damn right

I recognize the first one as groundbreaking

James Dooling this is my favorite Superman movie

@@Zombiesnyder13 1 and 2 were filmed simultaneously.

I don't think this is cheese. I still think its awesome.

you don't talk about her man

That moment wasnt in the Donner cut

@@lessermook7608 Not in Donner nor theatrical, I assume, just the TV. Still trying to find if it replaces Liberty's Torch, or if both are in the same cut of the movie.

Ursa: let him prove it

Non : Grrrrrrrr.

@@andysahs1599General Zod: Then die as you deserve to!

I learned recently this was under production concurrently with _Star Wars_ and _Close Encounters of the Third Kind._ Someone said these three brought Sci-Fi back.

Superman was there so they knew he would stop it.

Darn right! 🎉

I’m not a coward Zod

Let him prove it

The son of jor-el is not a coward😊

How is this better quality?

​@@srikanthsv79 0:26. Zod's about to throw part of a building at Clark. Clark could ignore this and tackle Zod's flanking soldiers head on, or go straight for Zod. Instead he looks down and assesses the collateral damage. He realizes the people below barely even have a concept of what's going on up here. Assessing this when Zod throws the building Clark chooses to use heat vision - this means only dust and light rubble hit the streets and are barely disturbed, but they become alarmed at the concept of falling rubble. This is entirely built into the narrative and is hammered home repeatedly, it's not random. Additionally this is reflected in the cinematography and in subliminal messaging. This is a common thing for 70's era filmmaking, notably stanley kubrick, and is absolutely by design. Zod and his soldiers always choose the high ground against Clark but this is just posturing. It provides no advantage, gravity assist isn't going to change the outcome of any of their fights - but they choose to do this because they look down on Clark. They want to disparage him into hopelessness but worse, they want to subjugate him. They say they want to kill him but in reality, they just desperately want to be right. This makes them all look like idiots because essentially, they are. But the real subliminal is in all the shots with Clark. By putting them "above" him, it means every shot of Clark shows the streets below and shows you his thought process. He doesn't have his head in the clouds, he's worried about the potential fallout - every minute, every swing he's concerning himself with the people in danger below and the shot work suggests that. This also subliminally suggests that he's on the human's side because it's reflected in the cinematography. It isn't just Zod and his soldiers VS. Superman, it's Superman and humanity against Zod and his friends. Superman and Zod's group all have x-ray vision, super hearing and the vantage point. What we're seeing as viewers is human's reacting to the situation but bear in mind - they're all seeing those human's react. The humans in these scenes are influencing the battle completely but are also completely unaware of it - they can barely see what's happening and yet they are the focal point. The entire fight rests with them. Clark's just trying to buy time - he knows he can't win because killing Zod isn't winning. As long as nobody has been hurt, Clark will play with these guys all day but only as far as he can get ahead of the individual threats. This creates a lot more tension not just because it's happening - but because the filmmakers chose to make such a stance. Upholding morality in narrative is a valuable thing, this tension can't be understated. Admittedly the special effects ruin much of that tension, people look VERY goofy in this movie, but for me - I don't care, it's not a high priority. For others it would be but for me, what matters is the filmmakers taking a stance on the morality issues and getting to the core of Clark's character - which is an attempt about being a super moral person. Compare this to its direct modern iteration Man of Steel - that fight, while truly grand spectacle, Clark utterly ignores the ramifications of the battle and shows absolutely no direct concern for human life. He celebrates after the battle with Lois despite the fact that Metropolis is crumbling behind him. That tone deafness rings so hard. This is confirmed in Batman Vs. Superman as we see casualties mounting up. One might offset all this with the idea that Krypton's people could be revived, or that Superman actually cares enough about Zod to put human's at risk - but instead humans die, krypton is destroyed and Zod is murdered by Clark in a last minute attempt to correct the scales. Anyone can appreciate the aesthetic differences between the two films. The acting is largely the same, both films have great actors putting in 100% and playing out what their lines and characters dictate and putting the spin on them. But the story suffers a great deal when you divorce Clark from his humanity. Notably in Man of Steel Clark has very few lines compared to Superman II - because they're afraid to let him even speak. In the 70's superman was still considered a "for kids only" affair, it was a major industry but not a world churning mega block buster franchise. Today Superman's so valuable he is barely allowed lines that aren't carefully curated by dozens of corporations producing content for him - and in such they tend to "forget" all his humanity in lieu of a caricature. One important aspect of this scene is that while we as viewers are at a distance, Superman can "hear" everything going on - we're seeing his perspective always. Every screaming mother, every shoulder-shrugging construction worker, every guy saying, "Go get em' Superman" is ringing in his ears. In Man of Steel they show Clark has the same issue - he can hear and see everything, yet he seems totally ignorant of the calamity happening around him. You as a viewer can't enjoy Superman's triumph because deep down, you have to willfully ignore the catastrophic loss of life that's being caused in the same way. You have to accept that Superman is either totally ignorant or completely careless about the collapsing city around him. Here it's so in display - Clark's completely ignoring the Kryptonians and tanking all kinds of hits... but when collateral damage is about to happen, Clark goes from placating to sharp as can be. He doesn't even want to hurt the Kryptonians until it matters to do so. This morality on display is a joy to watch, even if the wirework of these people flying is comically terrible. I'll take dated special effects over terrifying moral choices. Having said all that I do like Man of Steel, the first 2/3 of that movie are really excellent and I'm a huge fan of Henry Cavil - it's just terrifying what they chose to display in that film. There's a moral bankruptcy on display that comes sometimes with Snyder movies that hurts them deeply - despite Snyder's undeniable talents, the man can make a beautiful image. These could be solved by edits, rewrites or simply removing some kind of negative influence but... This is possibly more of a studio problem than a directorial one, but it's interesting that both the Snyder cut and Donner cut suffered under the same problems. And it's this moral battle that's at the center of it. It's what makes a movie grand, which is saying something more than a story for entertainment. It's taking a stance on an important issue and for this one - it's the actual experience of caring about other people. Watching Christopher Reeves react with fear, joy, elation and despair... that's important. Compare that to Clark destroying a big rig passive aggressively and quits a job mid-shift... it's a big difference. It's much harder to relate to a character that would do that.

lol

“The big one’s just as strong as Superman!”

He looks stoned

SUPERMAN WINS! 1-NOTHIIIING!!

Off the foul pole lol

@@djmocha7 All we're now missing is the Jose Canseco Bat reference....

Gud for u

@@paponmeowmeow4745 Wtf is wrong with you?

@@shafinaymaanfahmi9960 I have no idea why I commented that a year ago. I'm even more confused because I liked this superman

@@paponmeowmeow4745 XD

The Ultimate Edition wasn't that much different.

Indeed, dc sucks

@@musicbeyond3589 this is D.C.

@@rogermeadowstaylor3256 The New DC

@@curtisdunn2909 It was very different

Like pets?

I swear.... He kills me...anytime I watch it

Bear in mind this whole fight is on top of buildings. They can barely see anything, let alone hear the dialogue. That's the funny part about this whole scene - it's like watching ants fire lasers at each others a half mile up. Even the accidents are like, "Oh wait, is that a crane coming?" These people didn't see what happened in the daily planet, they didn't have time to process anything at all. I think Zod took over the white house at this point but that's still news you'd have to hear on a street corner. Telephones are wired to walls in this era, no cell phones - and if you're a working man you don't get to read the paper midday. Someone yells, "Superman" and they all look up and go, "Oh, he's fighting someone on a building? I think I heard about this on the news, something about kryptonians in the white house?" And then it's just a lot of yelling and speck fighting speck up on top of some buildings, until a crane falls on your head. This dude was probably working all day and since he works in construction, he likely sees superman twice a month. Bein' a working man you miss a lot :D

Also I wanted to mention something else that's really subtle. Superman's "Blue" outfit is often a reference to blue collar workers. There's a commentary in this film about such things. Construction workers risk mechanical injury every day to build this city, his fear response to rubble is going to be less and instead he's gonna relax, focus and pay attention. This isn't random, it's by design. 70's filmmaking is intense man, they love those subliminals.

Imagine someone like him in Gotham.

And the look on Ursa that says "that wasn't suppose to happen!"

I wouldnt say nowadays the cgi are bad, they just use it way too much, and I wouldn’t say the acting is bad, it’s only for some of the movies. I’d just say that the golden age of movies were the 70’s to the 2000’s

WAAAAAAAAT?

Why people these days always blinded with this nostalgic vibes?? sounds so stupid and annoying sometimes.. these types of opinion always trying to sounds oldish and mature, i guess you was'nt even born yet when this movie came out. Just admit this movie is cheesy and not applicable anymore in these days

@@bryanalexander4176 it's a filthy boomer bro.

R4ZØR TM what do you mena

@@JoelMatee he means the visual effects like the flying and stuff

@@obaidkhan9633 yeah right

@@obaidkhan9633 These effects are 10x better than crappy CG.

@@nickb9718 Completely agree, Old is Gold!

What do you think happened

You trying to say “ON YRNTE” isn’t a real road work sign? Lol

yeah he should threw some punches the fight would have looked been better

I didn't realize there were multiple fight scenes for the theatrical release, the TV extended edition, and the Donner Cut.

people often freeze with fear.

@@Adi-gh9du Exactly. Made more sense than everything that played out in that garbage known as Man of Steel.

@@JessicaChastainFan cope

He growled an grunted in man of steel too lol

🤣 I never thought about that I just found it annoying that she couldent just move out of the way

Its 20% funny and 80% annoying

She certain deserves the Darwin nomination. But the real contender was the guy in the convertable.

stroll happened before fight took place ever thought.

@@Adi-gh9du but people still stand around and watch like its a school cafeteria fight

The most annoying part of the film she deserved to get crushed by that

@Luis Martinex Says who? U Tbh that's the best superman origin movie ever made & yeah with your math ability I doubt u r even credible to say anything.