Superman II - Caravan Of Garbage 

My favourite thing about the cellophane S is that everyone in the room except Superman is as confused by it as I am, but they all just sort of play along because Superman clearly knows what's going on but refuses to explain it.

Fun fact: I actually met Terrance Stamp at my gym 3 years ago. I fanboyed so hard and he said the line ‘kneel before Zod’. Got a selfie with him. One of my greatest moments 😆

Instead of breaking Zod's neck in MoS, he should've just used the memory wiping kiss to make him forget that he's evil

In Superman: American Alien, Clark explains the glasses disguise to Pete Ross and Pete asks if that means he can never take the glasses off in public. Clark says, "I take my glasses off all the time. And you know what people tell me? 'You look just like Superman!'"

Yes please to the Donner cut. And thank goodness you came up with the "random RPG stats" to explain their powers as it always bothered me that Ursa is bulletproof but somehow susceptible to a snake bite.

There is more to it than the brilliance of Christopher Reeves acting that makes the Clark Disguise work in these films. It is the Daily Planet as a place to hide. He chose a hectic, chaotic place full of self absorbed people dealing with constant fast moving drama to be Clark Kent. If you watch closely there are often long times where no one even looks directly at him. This is totally lost in later versions, in Superman Returns they even had this huge long scene where the other characters gaze at Clark wondering if he could be Superman, UUUURG! The brilliance of Superman's disguise is that he chose the perfect place to hide :)

The Community Season 4 gas leak reference Ben is just *chef's kiss*

The hard cut to the Nightman when discussing the fourth villain is comedic brilliance.

I would love to see a Donner Cut episode. I think it's only fitting considering all this is for the Snyder Cut

The canon eventually developed in the comics is that Kryptonians and Martians are the two most powerful alien races in the entire Universe, and that the Guardians deliberately moved both species to places which would nerf their powers in order to prevent them from simply ruling everything. So Kryptonians are almost unlimited in power, and Superman _is_ unlimited. As he gets older, his powers grow stronger and more numerous. It's been established that Kryptonian powers are all actually psychic in nature, though they operate unconsciously. This is why, for example, Superman can carry a building without it collapsing; he's using a form of telekinesis to lift it and hold it together.

To be fair, if you had a friend who looked like a celebrity you wouldn’t assume that it’s the celebrity in disguise, just that they look like that celebrity

I hope the Snyder Cut includes Superman shooting a tiny Superman out of his hand

TIL Superman 2 was a direct sequel to Superman 1.

Let me tell a story about Superman IV: The Quest For Peace. It’s the summer of 1987, I was 10 years old, my parents decided to take me and my younger sister to the movies. I come from a family of 5 kids so movies were an incredibly rare treat. We get to the theater and my dad says he and I were going to see Superman while my mom took my sister to see something else. O. M. G! You guys! I get to watch an entire movie *alone* with my dad in a theater!! I am not kidding when I say this was the *only* time that ever happened. Time alone with my dad was unheard could be hard to come by here I am about to spend an hour and a half with him watching a SUPERMAN MOVIE!! It was among the greatest days of my life. So I watched the movie and I loved it. We talked about it all the way home. I talked about it at breakfast the next morning. I made a construction paper cape for a blue lego man and a black one for a yellow lego man so I could recreate the movie. It. Was. Awesome! Skip ahead 4-5 years. I hadn’t watched the movie since the theater but it was on TV. Not HBO or anything fancy, just a regular local station with commercial breaks. I was excited all over again. I was 14 or 15 by now so I watched with a different lens this time... it was awful... it was the worst... it was hard to even sit through the whole thing. I seriously couldn’t believe how bad this movie was! So bad. So, so bad! How could I have like it so much? How could my dad have liked it!? Then it hit me, he didn’t. He knew it was bad but he knew how excited I was so he just kept talking to me about it. I hugged him that afternoon because I had new view on what being a dad was really about. Superman IV is a terrible movie. If you’ve never seen it don’t bother. If you have seen it, I’m sorry you had to endure it. But it taught me about being a dad and how much my dad cared. Superman IV is an amazing movie. (But seriously, don’t watch it, it sucks).

This movie is so ridiculous. They really expect us to believe that mild mannered reporter, Clark Kent, is Superman? Next they'll try and tell us that Bruce Wayne is Green Lantern

In that scene where Lois stupidly throws herself into the river to try to get Clark to turn into Superman to save her, I just wanted Clark to yell to her in the distance: "Lois, I think we should see other people!" and then walk away. Let Lois get the Darwin Award she was apparently trying for.

I have one major problem with this film. They didn't name it "2 Superman, 2 Furious"

“I picked the wrong day to wear my roller skates and sparkly red vest” best line of the day

In the UK we call him 'Supperman' because he's always saving people and then making them a home cooked meal - I got a hearty veg soup

You ever accidentally unmute in class so everyone can hear the Mr Sunday Movies guitar riff? That is where I am at right now.

Wow, James really waited until I clicked "like". I can't believe we sat in silence for 14 minutes.

On the memory erasing kiss: if he can control which memories are erased depending on the way he kisses how did he learn to use it? Did he just make out with every girl in Smallville? How many are still in a coma because he used too much tongue?

Got to love Superman's smile before he casually murders Zod.

They also say Clark wears clothes bigger than his size to hide his physique.

Yes to the Donner cut!

7:47 I like that Clark's hand falls into the fire and his clothes are completely unburnt. Excellent work there, costuming (or whomever would be responsible for that)!

feels off without him saying TRIVIA TRIVIA

Only Terrance Stamp can look intimidating in calf high black dominatrix boots.

I'm just here for holy war guys, can someone point me in the right direction.

Definitely a big fat YES to the Donner Cut. It is an absolute must!

The Richard Donner cut of Superman 2 is in my opinion the best Superman film.

S2 will always be a favorite even with all of its flaws, "kneel before Zod" will live on forever. the mount Rushmore changing faces scene was awesome.

#ReleaseTheDonnerCut ....is what we'd be hearing from angry fanboys if the internet and hashtags were around in 1980

In my estimation All Star Superman's version of Clark Kent mentioned, was basically like if Dwight Schrute took off his glasses and combed his hair and was suddenly an ideal man. I wish we'd get a live action interpretation like it.

Zod walks into the room: "KNEEEEEEEEEELLLLL!!! Turl: "Hello Neil. Nice to meet you."

I prefer the Donner cut. Therefore, I prefer you to discuss it.

I'd absolutely be up for you guys covering the Donner Cut. Bring it on.

I was born a while after this movie came out but I grew up watching this and no matter how many problems it has it will remain one of my favourite movies

Literally as soon as I pressed like, James said that I did it. You spying on me, good sir?

I had to actually google "Terrance Stamp peg leg" Thanks for making me feel like a fool.

Release the Donner cut.

Yes do the Donner cut!!! Glad these oldies are getting some credit. They tried to make them the best they could, despite the politics in between. The street fight and white house are fond memories.

About the memory wiping Kiss Mason: "That's not the way a modern super hero movie would go" Yeah.... No MODERN super hero movie would ever do that................. *cough First Class *cough

I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but I had to get it off my mind--Gene Hackman was so upset over Donner's firing he quit--any scene with Luthor was shot during part one, and anything for part two was shot at a distance with a stand in and a voice actor.

Fellas, even showing the skill menu of Knights of the Old Republic put a smile on my face 🙂

John Ratzenberger was one of a few American actors living in England doing film work in the 70’s and 80’s, including William Hootkins, who was in “Star Wars”, “Batman”, “Raiders of the Lost Ark” and “Superman 4” and Shane Rimmer (from “Thunderbirds”) who was Ratzenberger’s NASA counterpart in “Superman 2”. Shane also played the older water control technician at the end of “Batman Begins”. I found out how he got that role when I met him at a convention about 7 years ago in the U.K. where he still lived. His son Ben was a location supervisor for “Begins” and Nolan asked him if he was by chance related to Shane Rimmer. He told him it was his dad and Nolan got super excited as he was a massive “Thunderbirds” fan. They all went out to dinner and Nolan offered him a part. Two bonus fun facts: 1) Ratzenberger and Rimmer were still close friends until Shane’s passing in 2019. 2) Ratzenberger was also in “Superman: The Movie” as one of the nuclear missile techs (“Function negative sir!”)

You should def do The Donner Cut, maybe the week the Snyder Cut comes out.

Came here for Ben's brilliant, quirky, and always delightful editing, stayed for the Holy War.

I always assumed that J.W. Pepper was the bridge between the James Bond universe and the Superman universe.

TIL that I've actually never seen Superman II I've only ever seen the Donner cut. Sooooo definitely come back and cover it because I'd love to see that

I’ve been waiting all day to watch this, so excited, also bring back Maso’s notes that he used to do for a couple months, where he’d just take notes and then read them all, it was fantastic

13:29 When Superman says “No! Don’t do it!” He looks like he’s trying not to laugh. 😂

Superman 2:Back In The Habit

I don’t know if you guys realized, but the hologram shows up on the guards shirt. I thought that was really cool

I hope everyone is doing well and has a wonderful rest of their week! :-)

Bad Bloke Brando is all I think about whenever I watch The Godfather. 😂

16:30 “That’s not the way a modern superhero movie would go” Prof X in X-men First Class: ...

OMG Superman 2 is a direct sequel to Jingle All The Way! At 7:44 here we clearly see the skin of none other than Booster, the side-kick of Turboman, who everyone hates. Such deep lore. Seeing that they're in the same universe now we need a Turboman vs Superman movie.

Yes, do the Donner cut so you end the Christopher Reeve coverage on a high note!

EVOLUTION (2001 movie) is a lost diamond that is in line with Ghost Busters and MIB. It has the same corky vibe AND was adopted into an animated series. I am so surprised that is has not been visited in COG yet! Definitely do an episode on this, guys!

John Ratzenberger also appears in the 1st Superman as a missile controller.

I honestly would love to see you cover the Richard Donner cut of Superman II.

1:04 " i think this movie's broken " truly the pinacle of movie criticism

In Smallville, Clark says he has never tripped in his life. This was after Mister Mxyzptlk tripped him with magic in a football game.

The little known fact the Luthor holograms are real using the recycled tech they also used for the hologram of Superman flying out of the screen from the first one, but that was cut due to poor test audiences dying of heart attacks.

Do the Donner cut. It made me feel like I was taking crazy pills when he flew around the earth again

ABSOLUTELY do the donner cut muh dudes!

not one but TWO references to disco elysium by the editor??? A+ editing, my eyes are welling up as I think about that stick insect

You guys should cover a couple episodes of Smallville after The Quest of Peace. That would be really cool cause it’s really good and I hear no one talk about it anymore!

From the Community gas leak gag to the "Man's not hot" video clip at the end - Ben was on superb form for this.

One and two were filmed back to back with Donner, and the original plan was the reversing earth’s rotation was meant to be the end of the second film.

10:08 Love that ‘Your Name.’ reference.

I always preferred the first one to the second one, even as a child. The first one feels like a complete movie, the second one like a half assed story about Kryptonian enemies for Superman. Rewatching both last year this perception was reinforced; in fact, it made the second one look worse. Not that the second one doesn't have some great moments, of course.

I usually just sort of listen to these videos while I'm working on other things and I think this is the first time I've fully watched through and appreciated just how great Ben is as an editor.

*hits like James: They did it. O.O he knows

John Ratzenberger is in Superman the Movie too. He's the guy who tries to hit the kill switch on the XK-101 missile, "function negative sir". He also does some ADR during the East Housten scene "Who's the big guy?". Also, no mention of the news anchor who speaks to Zod? He's played by Richard LeParmentier who played the dude from Star Wars who gets choked out by Vader before Tarkin saves him. He was married to Sarah Douglas.

I remember hearing that the diner fight scene was highly praised when it was released, and Lester was given credit for that part in the media. Richard Donner filmed the diner scenes in '77. I also seem to remember that Donner was an extra in some of the shots.

Yes! Please do Donner Cut!!!! Most of the little bad moments are fixed, Lois discovering his identity waaaaay better, her suspicion is actually an established plot point from the beginning instead of popping up out of nowhere in the middle

Yes definitely do the Donner cut. First version of the sequel I saw

You mentioned at the end about the robot lady from Suoerman 3 being a terror for kids, and I will admit to being one of those. I think it was the first movies I saw in the theater, and I definitely had nightmares about that lady.

When the mentioned superman 3 and 4 I stood up and said aloud "there were FOUR of those?"

17:10 "I may as well ask this question now..." Shows clip of a man who only provides answers.

I'm one of those people haunted by the robot in Superman 3

With everything working against Superman II.... It still is a memorable achievement in cinema history.

These will always be the best Superman films because of the legend, Christopher Reeve.

The Donner cut needs attention. It was awesome. Also, in the extras there is a bit with lester and reeve talking about why a car would hit him on the street. Reeve is like “WTF?”

I remember seeing this on TV as a small boy. In the small town scene, I recall Zod killing a boy, and Ursa gleefully saying something like, "He will never be a man." I haven't seen that in any of my video copies, or anywhere else since then. Does anyone else remember this, or am I making shit up?

20:25 thank you, i'm not the only one traumatized by that 😭

"When you look to the stars, think of one of them as the Donner Cut."

The weirdest part of the fortress fight is when Superman says something like, "we used to play this game as kids." What? How did he know them as kids when he was launched off the planet immediately after he launched out of his mom?

Never understood the cellophane S thing as kid. I remember being so freaking confused 😂

I would love for you guys to cover the 1995 MMPR movie. Absolute gold, let me tell ya. Perfect from start to end, every line is the kind of thing you could hear coming out of an action figure.

Please do the pilot episode of Dean Cain Superman series as well: Lois and Clark

Donner Cut, Donner Cut, Donner Cut, Conner Dut!! Just do it mang/s. Love your work cobbers!

That imagine of when y'all said "speaking of broken necks" made me laugh so hard

That cut to Namine when talking about losing memories was freakin' _gold_ .

Australians being excited about any mention of Australia is like me, a Minnesotan, being excited about any mention of Minnesota in pop culture.

Yeah, we can't end on The Quest for Peace. We need The Donner Cut as a palate cleanser!

Donner-cut is a must!

Heck yeah, bring on Caravan of the Donner Cut!