this is my third video from your channel and I must say you are a very good content creator who knows his job very well. I really appreciate your time and effort. Keep up the good work. :)
I have both Supernatural and Les Mills Body Combat. Les Mills Body Combat is definitely a better workout. It kicks your butt on advanced. Supernatural is more enjoyable in a sheer fun sort of way and has lots of beautiful scenery and music. I like Supernatural for stress release and sheer enjoyment. Les Mills Body Combat is a must if you really want a great workout. Bottom line is, if you can afford both you should definitely get both and you will get a great variety for your workouts.
one year later and I got a quest 3 and you are spot on. Les mills body combat is incredible and a better workout. but supernatural is a great place to relax when I want a more low key exercise with great visuals and great music options. Fit XR is too janky and i hate the digital avatar trainer. I will consider subbing to supernatural
I am a Certified Les Mills Body Combat Instructor and teach the class at gyms all over Vegas. I was actually Certified by Rach and Dan over a decade ago. They both created the Combat Program together. They are true pros. Dan was professionally trained and Rach has been doing this w/ Dan for so many years now, and she is extremely talented. If you want to learn true combat techniques, then your only bet between these two is Body Combat. Supernatural is just fun. It gives a good workout, but they don’t teach you real skills in combat or boxing.
Question since you have a lot of experience teaching LM technics. What’s the difference between LM Combat and an actual live class? I use LM, Supernatural and FitXR and I can definitely say that LM and FitXR get my heart rate up in the desired zone then SN does. Don’t get me wrong because I love SN mainly because of the graphics but the other two workout apps are superior as far as training goes. On SN you’ll see people bragging about spending hours and hours per day. They can do this because it’s easier in my view.
I second this. Also a certified instructor. I love both of them. But I already knew the correct form and movements from the class and the training. Knowing that makes doing both so much more intense. I do feel like i get more out of the supernatural one but if you do the intermediate or high intensity for bodycombat, it will still kick your butt. I liked that I felt like i was moving a lot more in supernatural. But I also liked competing against other people in BC. Made me go harder for the points.
@@BigDad200live class is more intense. There is a lot more running in place, kicks (front, side, roundhouse, jump kicks, ascheva, jump knees, jump kicks) it utilizes all aspects of the body more than the VR version. No clue how they would incorporate that into VR though.
The Les Mills Body Combat VR instructors are extremely experienced, and it shows. They have been program managers for the Les Mills Body Combat IRL gym classes for over a decade and you actually get a bit of the IRL Body Combat feeling in the Les Mills Body Combat VR app. I love it.
Thrill of the Fight is my go to for cardio fitness supplemented by Les Mills Body Combat and Pistol Whip. I've dropped about 30 pounds though how much is proper diet and how much is just from the calorie burn is hard to say. I couple of points to consider: if you fight upper level opponents on TOTF, you can have some elbow soreness from constantly snapping off punches. Body Combat is fun and it's a really good all-around workout but the coaching gets repetitive as they use the same comments irrespective of which program you choose. Pistol is a great lower body workout but doesn't do much for your upper body. This is why on a typical day, I will use all three for a total of 40 to 50 minutes.
I feel like Les Mills has given me better lower body exercise. The triangles in SN are vague and easy to do wrong. LM demands more specific form and movement in the lower body.
Agreed 100% - for beginners especially, the SN triangles also move too fast to be able to focus on proper form through them. I had nasty knee pain for a couple of weeks after I first started. I end up ignoring the triangles now and do other workouts (like LM) to add lower body.
I'm super late to this, but for whatever reason Les Mills doesn't seem to register my hits as consistently as Supernatural. And nothing is more deflating than missing a target you know you hit. Also, when I do find a playlist I really enjoy for the boxing in supernatural, it definitely gives me a little extra motivation.
Just started Les Mills on PSVR2 and noticed the same thing. I have a little experience with kickboxing, so I’m aware of my various strikes IRL. But in this “game” my lefts often don’t register. I am not 100% sure if it’s the game, or my perception. I wish there was more feedback to let me know.
Same happened to me the fisrts days of less mills. I came from fitxr and the experiencia is a bit diferent. After an update, les mills is now working fine and hits are being registred well. I feel more comfortable now.
@@DimePablito This is good to know. I’ve read complaints about hits not registering by a couple of reviewers, and it is what stopped me from buying it. Knowing it appears to be fixed will see me adding it to my game library. :)
I went with Body Combat. Don't care to know a superficial trainer's life story, half the music Supernatural plays is over played top 40 junk, I'd rather have a gym setting to work out hard instead of exploring a pyramid while throwing punches, and overall $20 a month is absurd when I can just buy a full app for $30.
I turn the trainer volume all the way down on SN, and then it's tolerable (music mostly drowns them out). To be fair, though, I don't much like the trainer commentary on LM either - I'm a "shut up and let me work out" person, lol!
@@AngieMansfield Body Combat allows you to completely turn off the trainers where on Supernatural only allows to turn it down. I don’t want to hear the same jokes over and over again.
I understand this video is two years old, in 2024 I would say I am extremely happy with Supernatural, but maybe a lot of it is personal preference. I do find the coaches to be excellent and do a lot of good coaching now, and the environments are fantastic, and they update workouts every single Monday which is nice.
Don't know how I missed this one. I love Supernatural.....but Body Combat is VERY RAPIDLY becoming my side-piece (and we're getting tighter). Music & scenery, I have to give to Supernatural hands-down. But as far as the workout...Body Combat is definitely a more intense workout to me. I definitely like the variety of strikes that Body Combat has. I really don't do a lot of flow workouts in Supernatural anymore since the boxing workouts are so much more challenging. THANK YOU for speaking on the Facebook group! I'm so sick of their cult-like, we're all about positivity, bullshit vibe. Easy to be all about positivity when the admins filter out anything they deem "negative". And the group members/minions gang up on anyone in the posts that they think is "negative".
@@sticksstonesandroots WOW! I don't think Supernatural has any idea that the group is turning people away. They're so convinced that their group is the best/most positive group on Facebook!
yeah, I made a comment about having some workouts for those who have had an injury and are easing back into the workouts (I broke my foot and was in cast) and they deleted it. It was just a suggestion and that really pissed me off.
You can turn off the leaderboard and social aspect of LM and also turn off the coaching in settings. It makes it easier to focus on just hitting the targets and going with the rythm of the music. Supernatural would be more appealing if there was an option to turn off the "coaching" at will.
As a dude who's had supernatural for a few weeks now. I just mute the trainer. There is a section to mute the trainers and make them go away. I noticed you didn't mention that. You also rated them for not responding to controversial Facebook posts... I'm not sure that is a rating that many viewers care about.
Great video. From an international perspective it's great that LM tied with Supernatural, since as you said we (UK) and many other countries don't have access to Supernatural. I read somewhere that Meta bought Supernatural, and that it would soon be released internationally but no luck so far. If the music licensing is indeed the issue it's a shame they can't let us use it with our own Spotify subscription instead.
You had me at Karen! Kidding aside, I've been doing beat saber and I've gotten into a good habit of 4-5 days per week for a few months. Now it's time to get serious with a better fitness app! Thanks for the info!
This video is now 1 year old. In 2023 Supernatural says it is $99/year with a Black Friday promotion of $50 for your first year if you buy a meta quest from them.
VERY entertaining video. I tried both and went with Les Mills. Still learning it after 2 days, and I'm not enjoying the (disorganized) menu system, but I couldn't be happier with the workout. My days of only getting on the treadmill for exercise are over.
I personally like Supernatural better - it has more workouts, better music, cooldown/warmup segments, meditation (as cooldowns), and full body stretching. And because of these pluses and the extra coach cheerleading, I tend to be more motivated to do an exercise with SN. But I will admit Les Mills is a more rigorous workout (I play SN Boxing on Hard, but Les Mills still performs better). But because Les Mills is more bland (music, workouts), and lacks the extras mentioned above, I've found I'm using my Q2 less for fitness, as the motivation isn't as strong with Les Mills. Overall, like you I think BOTH programs are really good; but perhaps if you're someone that needs that extra push to get exercising, then Supernatural might be a better fit.
The subscription model wouldn't bother me as much if it was like a hybrid base game/DLC model. I don't want to play $20+ a month and have NO content if I stop. If I had a base game (DLC options as a bonus) I'd be more open to a subscription knowing I wouldn't be left content-less if I took a break. Also, I understand Supernatural has to pay for music licensing and ASCAP/BMI have rules about streaming music, but the inability to even search by artist or song is ridiculous. Also they brag about their song licensing even when the reuse the same songs.
Thanks for the video :) I am trying to decide if I should buy a new fitness app instead of supernatural this year. I love supernatural, it has gotten me to be steady with exercise all of 2022 since I often had something holding me back before (no one to walk with me after work when it's dark, transportation barriers to get to a gym, social anxiety too). You aren't kidding about the Facebook group being toxic though 😂 I follow it to see updates they make (like the coach mute option and knee raises) but I see so many posts that make me say "yikes!"
This video was perfect (easy subscribe😉). I will still try both apps, but Les Mills may be what I need. Someone else mentioned how some moves in Supernatural could easily be done wrong, while coaches in LM provide directions for correct form. I want an effective workout app…so we’ll see. If anything, this video gave great insight for both apps. Thank you!!
This is gonna sound crazy, but checkout the training modes in knockout league. I know, I know. It's a pretty cartoonish looking, arcadey feeling game. But when you do the training, it's useful inside and outside the game, and is actually pretty good for beginners and even more experienced boxers for getting the feel of hand and head tracking.
Thank you for this in depth review!! I’ve had Les mills for about a year now but had been debating getting supernatural bc of how often ppl rave about it online. After watching this vid I realize I’m not missing much, and that I already have the perfect app for me bc I love the tips and encouragement you get from Les Mills trainers, as well as the simple and effective workouts. In my opinion, Les Mills is the superior VR workout app 🙌🏽
I enjoy the Les Mills workouts more but the music can't be beat with Supernatural. That being said though, the music wasn't enough to keep me paying subscription fees. Body Combat made it an easy choice for me to cancel my supernatural subscription.
I really like both games but for some reason when you hit the Les MIlls targets it just feels more satisfying than the supernatural ones and that's what always has me coming back, that and the competition on each workout. Supernatural has some great trainers as well, the scenery and the music tracks are amazing but something for me just feels off when hitting the targets compared to Les Mills.
I have experience with Body Combat only, so my impressions may be wrong about Supernatural. I have the impression, though, that Supernatural tries to justify their subscription model with useless fillers as added content. I say useless because if your goal is to get stronger, leaner, healthier, your biggest challenge and obstacle will be Yourself. It's all about being consistent and confronting obstacles. Winning small battles in every workout. If an eye candy environment is the main factor that keeps you motivating, don't wate your time. While I really love LM Body Combat, there is space for improvement. 1. Only few programs with no squats. I'm in recovery process from my back injury and I should avoid deep squats. I'm sure there are a lot of people in my position for various reasons, and not having more programs with no squats OR lite squats is a huge-missed opportunity from both sides. 2. Upper body programs includes squats. Yes, upper body works in collaboration with lower body parts, but if there is no clear distinction in naming and meaning than it makes no difference. I think this is the case of professionals being too professional. For nonprofessionals, upper body workout means at least less lower body engagement, which is not really true in this app. 3. It's not all about intensity Let me tell you about my workflow. I like to do the 20min advanced endurance program and as finisher 15-20min lighter workout. I thought choosing lower intensity after advanced will get me there but that wasn't the case because the lighter program happens to be not much lighter at all because they just replaced intensity with more squats. 🤣 Intensity doesn't necessary mean speed. Intensity means how hard you hit your body in a given time.
Stumbled across you comparison vid....I just purchased BC and as much fun as I have with SN I can see the distinct benefit of the trainers in BC v SN. I've completed three "starting" workouts and I'm sweating big time. (Maybe because I've been a slug the last year. LOL) I'm glad to know there are VR fitness apps that aren't subscription and are a strong addition to my VR workout.
Even though I think I'm going to get both, I'm starting with Les Mills after this review. I'm mostly a no nonsense workout type. Les Mills seems like more my speed, but those Supernatural visuals keep calling me. But with all the friends I have who are all up in the Peloton cult of personality, I get it. There are some who can only workout if they feel like their trainer is their friend or hero or something.
@@WazzUp_ Thats true, the game misses music and voice adjustments. Maybe they will add that in future or subtitles of various languages for people who cant understand english well.
Supernatural OR Bodycombat?? Which one should I get? Supernatural is half the original price now at $9-10. Help! I want a good enjoyable workout with good music.
I was about to hit a small like for a small content creator. But then I decided to smash a lit like to the lit content creator as you are 😎 PS sorry for using "lit" though it may remind you LITeboxer VR 🤷🏻♂️
I have Supernatural and it's a fun app that has kept me motivated for the past 3 weeks. Today I tried Body Combat for the first time and for what I have seen so far, it feels quite satisfying. For example, grabbing a target in Body Combat and striking it against the knee was so much satisfying than the knee strikes in Supernatural. And honestly, the environment in BC is pretty cool too, although it's more immersive in SN. I think i will use them both for now for 1 more month and see how it goes, but if BC proves really good I may cancel SN subscription at one point.
the pyramid is called el castillo, it’s at the chichen itza site in the state of yucatan. not trying to be an ass, but i also don’t want you thinking that the pyramid itself is called chichen itza. another name is kukulcan, the serpent. said snake is running down the stairs…
Wow. Great, thanks for this. I was so cut up that I can’t purchase Supernatural due to my geographical location, but now I feel way better. I actually intensely dislike personal stories from strangers, waitresses, airline crew, tellers at Walmart, etc. I want to purchase a particular meal, product, service, use of public services etc. and have less than zero interest, tolerance, or patience with getting to know the service staff on a personal or private level. In the US I avoided restaurants like the plague because I literally cringe and die a bit inside, when waitstaff impress their personality on the customer, and /or tell me their life stories.
I hate that too at restaurants. I noticed chinese food restaurants are best because they dgaf about you they just take your order with no small talk lol
Hi, thanks for this video, very nice and accurate, I use les mills practically from today, after seeing this comparison, could you tell me which app you used for monitoring? thank you
Now Supernatural only has to become available in Germany and I can try it out. Funny thing is that I was able to install it AND subscribe but then couldn’t use it because I am not in the US and now had a hard time unsubscribing. So yeah, watch out here if you wanna try Supernatural and are not in the US.
I dunno why he is acting like it's such a mystery why you can't create your own playlists. It's almost certainly part of their licensing agreement (like pandora, they can play the song, but you can't search for just that song, they can only play it for you as part of a playlist).
I think it’s okay for the trainers to be “more fluff than substance” you hit the nail on the head that they are like cast at Disneyland. These guys probably work hard recording videos and training, the last place I’d want to to be as a trainer is to have to lurk Facebook posts and comments. That sounds horrible.
You forgot to mention that Les Mills is not available on Quest 1 but Supernatural is. Sadly, Les Mills does work on Quest 1, but the trainer animations don't work 100% on it, and I'm sure that is why it isn't approved on the Oculus Store for Quest 1. It's too bad... the workouts work smoother on Quest 1 than how FitXR works on that platform.
Any trick to use supernatural in old mexico? i work for an american company, so i have a VPN from USA, but thats just for my PC, i am not sure if it could be usable if i Conect directly the quest 2 to my Mexico city´s modem
I like Les Mills, but the trainers are SUPER annoying…they’re CONSTANTLY talking and they have these stupid, cheesy jokes. I like the Supernatural coaches a lot better. Also, the intensity of the Supernatural workouts has increased a LOT since they added in knee strikes
In addition to my former review, I’d like to say that you are supposed to review a product-its availability in other countries should not be a factor for choosing one product over another, as this has nothing to do with the quality of the product, itself!
My opinion of Supernatural's scenery was terrible 360 degree 2D images with terribly animated areas. Sometimes the coaches don't even get the locations right.
I just did a pros only boxing workout in SN and dont believe anyone on this thread who says they used SN and it was just "fun". Your lying or you didn't challenge yourself and stayed with the how to. For that reason I don't believe id try les mills since anyone commenting from them is being dishonest and is obviously biased. Supernatural boxing can get yourheart pumping and definitely can kick your butt.
Your form when you're boxing in Supernatural isn't great. It seems like you're trying to get a high score in a game instead of work-out. You're not maintain guard and you're hitting the targets with t-rex arms instead of extending on the jabs and crosses/using lower body on hooks and uppercuts. Doing it in physical easy mode (poor form) is going to give you an inaccurate calorie count for comparison. No way you can handle high intensity with good form.
First I bought Supernatural, but it is not my style. It is full of Karens, fake fitness gurus, and the mainstream music drives me crazy. If you want to be a beta, it is for you, but I looked for an alternative, and LMBC seems okay! Thanks!
To be fair, it’s really obnoxious when an app announces a new trainer and brings up the lgbt stuff. I want a fitness trainer, not to know who you’re into screwing.
@Tayshia Rogers People get to be who they are. If that is a part of their identity that they want to share, they get to. Now, you get to be hateful to folks for sharing who they are; that is your choice. And as always, your actions display your character.
you are the only person who has brought up Tiffany Haddish and her irresponsible actions. I wouldn't do her workouts on Supernatural and won't see her movies any longer.
@@FitProVR agreed. They charged me the day before free trial ended. I've been watching your videos and thinking about getting the Les mills fitness for VR.
Don’t listen to this guy , Super Natural is the best VR workout on the market if you can afford the subscription . If you can’t do the subscription Les Mills is just ok , Audio Tripp is a much better workout with better music and a lot more fun .
“…I do have to give this one to Supernatural…” gives the impression that you may be prejudiced against Supernatural. And, why would you use a profanity that you needed to bleep? That doesn’t help your credibility factor! (PS In Supernatural, you can turn off the trainers’ voices while doing your workouts.) (PS PS Saying that you don’t care if your listeners are offended by something you say…is a major turn-off!!!)
