Supersport is back! 2024 CBR600RR vs ZX-6R vs Panigale V2 vs Street Triple RS | MCN Test 

Race regulation

May as well have comparison videos between a gold wing and yzf 125

Few reasons. Easier to find bikes. Race regulations. License regulations. Fun videos.

The triumph clearly doesn’t belong in this group. You might as well add the MT09, Brutale 800RR and Duke 890

@@madrat5176 I'd suggest you have a look at any supersport competition. That's right, the Street Triple is right up in there buddy. The bike does belong in this group.

How much more expensive is a sport bike vs a naked.

@@JSON_135for me the street triple is 48$ a month. My previous ninja 650 (not a supersport) was 80 just cuz fairings

@@JSON_135 from personal experience, a naked is less than half the cost a month for insurance than any of these would be.

@@stealthywallaby1392 bull i pay 33 for my 650 and it is my first bike at 21. I call bs something is definitely wrong here

@@justobserving4862 it’s my 5th bike, I paid 75 on my 650 in 29 and my triple is I think rn I just paid 42

exactly. 18k worth of a bike for similar performance as the japanese ones. not to mention a naked bike called "sportsbike"

Fully agree with that.

Maybe get the Mt09 gp maybe a better Comparison over a triumph street triple

The world has changed, get with the times.

@@TheScortUK what are you smoking my guy

You lucky thing… where in the world are you? How long have you been waiting from ordering to delivery?

@@jonathanmasterson3100 haha I’m in England I must of been one of the first on the list 🤣. Very lucky to be getting one

@@DGMotorcycles had mine delivered end of May, love it 👍

Very jealous, test rode one and seriously considering swapping my GSXR-750 for one but CBA with a waiting list 😅

Awesome bro! Nice moves

All day

Still races in BSB so it counts according to all the other commenters

Best 600 ever

GSXR 750 wins again DING DING DING.

Does any gsxr750 have abs? I couldn‘t find anything with abs (even 2015,2016)

2 cylinders vs 4, and less rpm. The Kawasaki is the the true cheater with extra displacement, and 4 cylinders. I guess I am biased though, I own a V2 Bayliss, and a 2014 STR. The true hero really is the R6. lol

​@@SladeRenegadeit may be a twin but it's got too much displacement advantage over 50 percent it's not fair at all. Also it's priced like a bmw s1krr.. It doesn't belong in any category I wish ducati did make something like this maybe a 790 like the Duke engine.

V2s were always allowed higher capacity to compare against 4 cylinders

That's all MCN knows how to do! They love to twist things around in Ducati's favor. MCN have become the Motor Trend of the bike world, completely pro European!

@@Euphorica that's in racing man where they modify the bikes to reach the regulations, for production bikes you can't possibly think a 155 horsepower 955 cc motorcycles that costs the same as an s1000rr competes with these? European manufacturers rarely ever tries to compete with the japanese categories, only in superbikes. And if they want to, they should make it simillar in stats like the street triple over here.

i've heard a daytona 765 is on the way they work on it like yamaha and the R9

Today you can race the ST 765 in the same class as the others, that's probably why. Just a guess though. But I see your point ☝️

I agree completely. Love the straightforwardness.

Why make a bike that no one no longer wants to buy.

@splodge5714 The point here is not whether a bike sales well or not. The Street Triple is an excellent bike, and as you can see by my picture, I'm part of the demographic that sees the many benefits of owning a naked bike. The issue here is that this is a Supersports shootout. If this were an open class, middle weight shootout, it would be a different story... then again, the competition would be a little different as there are more players in that field precisely because of the reason you mentioned.

Like calling a Harley a Sportster???

@@richardtomlinson2063 ...and if the yanks put a sportster in a supersport test it'd be even more ridiculous. Can't say I've seen them do that though.

Did you listen to what Neevesey said? People throw clips-on on & a Daytona fairing then race it. Open your ears & your mind pal 👍🏻

Usual stupid comment 🥱

Street triple races in the world supersport category against all these bikes. It's literally a part of the supersport category now, by definition.

Shocking.

Come to US 🤣 that's all you see lol

The Triumph doesn’t belong in this group

​@@madrat5176the Ducati even less so

@@Not_alex_jones The engine is too big, but at least it’s in the right category

I’m pretty sure it is just due to the short gearing, notice it is topping out in 6th gear by the end.

I did the same thing with my 03 CBR600RR, -1 + 2 gearing gets about the same results, maybe even quicker.

There's a joke, the _zx6r can do anything, except hit 200 miles per hour._

And it's stock. Imagine if they got it fully tuned: 2024 ZX-6R: Stock dyno numbers- 112 hp, 48 ft-lb Full exhaust, velocity stacks, ECU flash: 128 hp, 50 ft-lb

Exactly.

Or they could put the parts as options on the list ? When you order the bike

I know right? And even though they "regulate" their power they're still running away with the championship...

Still is Not faster on Track

Twins are always allowed to have a larger displacement when racing over multi-cylinder engines. Panigale V2 literally races under all regulations in the WSSP; by definition fit in this category because it races in this category.

@@julztry9797I’d argue the video shows otherwise, it’s doing the quarter mile quicker than all but the kawasaki, which is geared so short it is topping out in 6th at the 1/4 mile! While their power figures are similar, the Ducati has nearly 50% more torque. Technically it is fair, but it doesn’t feel like a fair matchup!

@@Fearless154 It used to be 600 fours and 750 twins not 950 twins am I wrong?

Love my -23 rs with clip-ons and different rearset, only downside is that it's missing a fairing 💪👍

​@nhaze8173 also on a 23 RS, why did you go for different rear sets?

23/24 moto2

Track days i would imagine ​@@casterofchaos

@@casterofchaos I needed higher footpegs so that I can anchor myself better to the tank 👍 short legs.

Absolutely.

Can’t agree more.

The street triple is best bang for your buck

So much this.

The V2 isn’t a superbike, the V4 is. The V2 makes a fair bit less power than the liter bikes…

@@sleeper.simulant7327 The numbers don't lie. Power Claimed: 155 hp (116 kW) @ 10,750 rpm Torque Claimed: 104 N⋅m (77 lbf⋅ft) @ 9,000 rpm, definitely Superbike territory.

You can more than easily lose your license with the 1000SX too...

after 5 minutes its even more unbearable ...have to plop elbow on tank...otherwise numb, cant turn...why wear spiked shoes that bleed when you can wear goodlooking comfortable and cheaper sneakers shoes...coz wht will ppl think if i don't drive a 200mph bike on 50mph limited roads..hurrhurr amuricafuck yeahhhurrhurrr balls legs burned yeahhhfreeedummmm 1000cc fuckyeah, lets take car now actually coz tired from work /family but 20k 1000c murica yeahhhhh

@@maomekat2369 I don't know what you're smoking, but clearly is not good for you!

@@johnnyblue4799 im smoking the 1000c ss, that sits in garage because it get extremely hot in city with wrist pain & spends 80% time in only 1st gear . wish was smoking a new faired revable perfect 450,500,650 instead

The 660 was never meant to compete

That bike is in a completely different class, made for beginner riders. Very different purposes.

They should've named it something else if it was aimed at beginners! They've been killing it with all their bikes lately- daytona included... it's just not a daytona.

You mean the trident rr?

Daytona 660 plays in this class: GSX-8R RS660 CBR650R YZF-R7

under 13k absolutely middleweight beast,easy to maintain also

after 5 minutes its even more unbearable ...have to plop elbow on tank...otherwise numb, cant turn...why wear spiked shoes that bleed when you can wear goodlooking comfortable and cheaper sneakers shoes...coz wht will ppl think if i don't drive a 200mph bike on 50mph limited roads..hurrhurr amuricafuck yeahhhurrhurrr balls legs burned yeahhhfreeedummmm 1000cc fuckyeah, lets take car now actually coz tired from work /family but 20k 1000c murica yeahhhhh

You mean 150 mph if they are lucky and don't have a 250 lb + rider on them? LOL ROTFL

I was waiting to see some lap times too, and we never got them 🙄.

good point! Where is it in this video? MCN fumbling

CBR600RR ZX-6R GSX-R600 CBR600RR F3 800RR Supersport 950 (down on power, up on torque) Krämer GP2-890R (It's mostly a custom) Street Triple 765 Moto2 Edition

They race in the same category in the world supersport championship under all regulations and rules of dorna. Go tell him you think a V2 is a superbike and it doesn't fit in this category.

@@Fearless154 Ok, well according to your new shitty rules, a 1998-2003 YZF R1 is no longer a Super Bike, wanna go tell Yamaha? Let me know what they say.

@@Fearless154 Might as well put 1000cc Super Bikes in the same class then, so they all can compete against each other. LOL what a joke. LOL ROTFL LMFAO. YOUR RULES STINK.

Literally is the same class, at least in Moto America... But the sort of abominations they've had to do to make all of these bikes fit in the same category is... Unique to say the least

@@Dispariabooks Sounds like they need to go back to the drawing board and start from scratch. The people in charge apparently forgot what hp and torque means.

It never left.

GSX-R600 is still sold in the USA for 2024 & 2025.

Clutch action on all kawasakis is just divine. Launching is so easy. Not surprised at all its faster than most off the line. Bit surprised its faster than the V2 tho, although ducatis are notoriously harder to launch. That being said the V2 is the same price as a zx10r so….

And it is stock. Tune it. 2024 ZX-6R: Stock dyno numbers- 112 hp, 48 ft-lb Full exhaust, velocity stacks, ECU flash: 128 hp, 50 ft-lb The clutch is most likely NOT the "assist" type clutches that a lot of manufacturers have been putting on street bikes. Those are near impossible to launch because they bite so hard when a lot of engine torque is being transmitted. All that ends up doing is looping the front or bogging down the engine. You cannot modulate an "assist" clutch.

2006 ZX6R right here 🙋‍♂️👍

I had a 2006 ZX-6R. The 2005-2006 636 motor made a heap of power when tuned up.

Many thanks!

This 👍

A quick gearing change will change that, geared a little tall from the factory.

Yeah, European manufacturers do more premium versions which I wish the Japanese do. We've never had a 600 with ohlins and brembos from stock.

Glad you enjoyed it

Where I live, insurance premiums are purely by engine size, so a 600 is actually cheaper to insure than a 750cc+, and people still weren't buying them. They're just not great road bikes.

I'm 54 and I was considering a new CBR 600RR or the CBR 1000 RR and the insurance quoted me cheaper for the liter bike.

@@archiewilson4943 Why? Maybe statistically more of them are involved in crashed, being more affordable?

​@@johnnyblue4799Insurance companies do understand concepts like per capita. If I had to guess, I would imagine they have a higher crash percentage since being cheaper makes their rider base skew younger and/or less experienced.

@@johnnyblue4799 the insurance lady said more are crashed.

Can you please elaborate, because that reads like a bit of a contradiction tbh. Tell us more about how they compare in terms of the general handling (confidence/ flickability), fuelling, power delivery (torque), handlebar vibes, gearbox quality, brakes, relative comfort etc etc etc. Like many potential buyers (most?) I'm only interested in road-riding really, so comments about pootling along would actually be more helpful than how the bikes ultimately handle when pushed to their limits on a track. I am never going to be getting a peg to the ground on the road, and yes, I appreciate that some people will be thinking: 'Why buy a sportsbike then?', but that's a moot question/ point really.

@@soots-stayingoutofthespotl5495 Just like you, I am a primarily a road-rider, and will narrate the differences through the experience of my daily commute. Before even riding, the Panigale is clearly the most beautiful sportbike. If form is one of your top motivators, there is NO sportbike like it. It of course comes with a price. Getting on the bike, the V2 sits higher. I am 5'7 and tiptoe. The grippier seat makes it harder to also do side to side butt-offs at stops. Nevertheless, I see it as a non-issue with practice. The overall triangle is similar. Now starting the bike and moving below 30kph is where ALL the biggest differences are for me. With a small release of the clutch, the inline 4 immediately gets moving, and the slightest throttle already delivers power. The V2's clutch release later, and you need to be more deliberate with giving it throttle. Once going, the V2 will LUG below 25kph. You need to be in the friction zone all the time at those speeds. The inline 4 can ride 1st full release without throttle easily at slow speed. As you squeeze the tank with your legs, youll also notice that the narrow V2 makes it harder to get a good grip. It seems that the V2 best welcomes a rider who moves their butt far back, to bring the knees higher. This position also better helps avoid the heat issue. No problem at speed, but can take more effort riding around the city. As you get up to speed, the difference greatly narrows for me. Both are easy to ride and are almost equal. They just sound really different but i find that once your are up to speed, the vibrations etc are no issue. City handling at considerable speed is equal for me. At corners, the V2 is more willing to lean probably because of the higher COG and thats about it. Thats as much as I can describe for road riding - and let me tell you, the big difference is really only 25kph and below, and since my commute is literally in south east asian traffic, means a lot to me. For anyone in tBuy it without second though. There is nothing as unique and beautiful as the V2 in its category - moreso if you will be using it for the road.

@@leevanf1070 ​ Thanks for the detail. I'm virtually the same height as you btw, and you're kind-of selling me on the Kwacka really. Yeah, the Ducati is definitely a beauty, but I want to be able to ride in traffic and take it easy if I don't feeling like zipping around. Then there's the price difference. Don't get me wrong, my last brand new bike was a Ducati, but you've just reminded me that none of them have a super-smooth clutch release and pickup (well, I don't know about the V4 bikes). When you mentioned vibes I assume you meant from the twin, as that's not what I'd expect from a Japanese four. That said, I rode a BMW S1000RR about ten years ago and subsequently discounted it as an option because the bar vibes were surprisingly high for a 4-cylinder bike. Then again, that is a racing machine really and they aren't Honda, so I don't suppose they were going to make road manners the biggest priority.

@@soots-stayingoutofthespotl5495 i agree, the 6R, especially the 19-23 and the latest iteration, are buttery smooth. They are no brainers for the smart buyer and if I was just a bit smarter, i would have avoided purchasing the V2. Haha! But reiterating that no matter how good the v2 looks, the 6R is the better city/road bike for me. Easier at slow speeds, and absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of reliability and consistency.

The Kawasaki has a lot of power left on the table if you leave it stock. Emissions regs have really hampered it in recent years.

Modern Triumph reliability is actually very good. Best of the European brands, and relatively close to Kawasaki. (KTM, Aprilia, BMW and MV-Agusta have way more reliability problems. Although they still make very nice bikes)

I had a second gen 765RS for almost three years, I've put about 18k kms on it, out of which about 5000 where on track and the rest fun sunday blast plus the odd trip once a year with friends around Europe. I have had ZERO mechanical issues with the bike. The only issue I can think of that did not hinder the functionality of the bike was that once of the reed valve screws came loose at about 21k kms on the odo and made the engine tick at idle. Took the tank off, did the major service where I replaced the air filter, spark plugs and checked the valves. ALL of the were in spec. Sold the bike to a local guy who never takes it out of "Rain mode" and commutes to work with it and has a rear tire comparable to a 5th grade geometry problem. Lots of people are upgrading to 3rd gen 765RS because of the color option and the IMU. If you can find one for a good deal don't hesitate - it's a gem of a machine.

@@hstefan You can't say for sure if you didn't buy it new... maybe the previous owner fixed some...

@@johnnyblue4799 I bought the bike second hand myself, but yeah, your statement is valid for any brand of bike if you buy sh. Nowadays it's a lottery honestly. Very few people take care of their bikes like they should. Most trash them and get rid of them once the warranty expires.

@@hstefan Asa este.

They're all technically supersports since that whole class is just homologated bikes and all 4 of these are but they missed both the suzuki and mv

Who would have guessed a triumph would be the "best supersport" while being a completely different category?😂

TL;DR

@@Naldo_S1K MCN hates Honda and is publishing bullshit reviews on their bikes

@@ziemniaczys9067 oh, I was unaware. I'll look through their page and find that video. I would be interested to see the reasons they listed for hating Honda.

@adderhoney motostatz has very ehm interesting results of their tests, cuz their zx4r got a 3.5 (not 4.5, 3.5) seconds to 60 mph, when the best time on video I have seen was 4 seconds flat (tuned version). Also, I have seen a dragy verified video, of gsx 8s, of 0-100 kph of 3.5 and a comparison elsewhere where the zx4rr was absolutely gapped by 8r (which uses basically the same engine as 8s). So I would be cautious about their claimed times. Sort of pics or didn't happen.

Look at the trap speed on the kawasaki theres no way it traps 142mph lol it shows the ducati traps 136mph and the ducati beats it in the drag race by a fair bit something is miles off on the kawasakis time

The Kawa is faster off the line ... faster 0-60 .... that's why it got to the quarter mile faster. I own a ZX-6R and up to 100MPH I am ahead of them ZX-10Rs and YZF-R1s ... but when I am doing 100 MPH, they are doing roughly 110-115 MPH when they overtake me.

@@thainaaier put the crack pipe down no chance in hell you're crappy 600 is beating a liter bike at anything

⁠it's not crappy by any means. But definitely does not outperform a liter bike. Unless the zx10 rider was not racing actually 😂

​@@thainaaierlet me guess... Your 600 does 180MPH too! 😂