Surburban shopping centre's clamping down on illegal parking 

My thoughts exactly.

T Ritchie exactly what I do. No parking fees at Amazon.com.

Rodney Xx it isn't about being cheap , it's about them being greedy. The shops already have to pay a fee to locate their stores within the establishment plus other ways to earn money with the lot for the owners , why should I have to pay to park when I'm already going to spend at the shop thus bringing in revenue on my own part. I could get the item cheaper anywhere else within a day, but I choose to spend it there.

Rodney Xx fucking uk, we don't pay at car parks in USA malls or shopping centers.

Davina P. Except at queens center in nyc.

This sort of scam has been tried and tested in the UK with the result that town centres are now empty and those out of town shopping centres which charge motorists to park are rapidly following suit. Currently NHS hospitals are the worst offenders, the clamping companies who run them no better than common criminals and murderers.Car drivers in the UK already pay more in taxes than any other group in society yet persecution of them goes on and on. Very soon there will be a bloody revolution!

APNR car parks are fun for first timers if they don't see it (like my dad) puregym are doing members only car parks in places now but APNR company that manages the car park are treating it as a pay and display car park (it's a members only car park you can't pay to park on there) you have to enter puregym get pass the secure revolving doors and log your car in on a touch screen) , they only need to check my membership status to see if I am a member but not they just give the canned response that you did not follow the rules (thing is puregym own the car park not the cam company) stupid company wanted £140 in the end witch puregym said no and cancel it

It's Australia. Shipping isn't as fast or cheap as in the US

driving and parking is a privilege, not a right. dont like it? don't drive.

Private parking lots. It looks like they look for no parking or expired parking receipts.

No no, say stick your face over the Rad Cap and twist!

They can't prove you were there *longer* than 15 minutes.. That argument is bs, they just want charge you 😒

Midnight.this IS the answer.

Unfortunatelly, in some neighbourhood, you just do not have a choice. I am happy to live where there is hardly any park meter, but the next city is full! Some shopping center even have pay parking... Those smaller stores that do not have a parking space is full of parking meter around them... It IS a big issue, but unfortunatelly it is the only 'solution'... There is an huge lack of parking space. The city wasn't built for 2-4 cars per house/appartement. The results: people park in front of those stores, and the client just can not park. The meters have an hard limit of 2 hours, then you need to go feed it again. This prevent people from parking their car in front of the store 'forever'. I'm against that, however... I much prefer to have to pay than having to walk an hour once I found a parking spot faaaaaar away...

Yeah, that explains it. Thank you for your great and detailed reply. Maybe uber to shop will be the solution for some. I love to drive, then park and take uber into my destination. Keeps cost down. But uber not available everywhere and can have delays.

thephantom1492 n

6 years later, it's not a joke if I ask "what's a mall?"

doesnt work like that, as they just set up park and ride schemes and get increased footfall

Its not always pay to park lagit a manager or owner can have any car towed at any time it just depends on if they want to be a dick or not

If people are too fucking stupid to read the rules of a parking lot then they shouldn't be allowed to drive or own a vehicle.

chefdan87 if they are like the cowboys in Britain they hide the signs

Not any more they don't Tom - too many court cases against them. Les (LONDON)

Kenneth The answer is fairly simple. I saw a YT video where some urban store (Target, IIRC) has a free parking garage that was nearly full even before the store opened in the morning. Why? Because the store's free parking garage was very close to a subway station. And the subway station had its own parking garage, but it was paid parking. So the commuters were all parking in the store unpaid parking garage and leaving almost no room for the store's own customers. Sorry, but I think that this entire story is overblow. if you watch the video closely, some of the private parking lots aren't even charging you a thing if you're only in the lot for 2 or 3 hours (though some are). I don't blame stores for wanting their parking lots to be for their own customers, rather being used as if they were free parking for the entire public (i.e. non-customers). The fact is that these stores absolutely want your business. And they want to provide parking for you, the customer! Just not for all the people who try to use the store's free parking as a place to pack their cars while they're at work!!!

I also live in suburban CA and you're simply wrong. They started doing this in multiple areas and the stores are very much still thriving. People either pay to park, pray they don't get a ticket or find some where close to park.

OK, But what benefit does McDonald's get out of it? That money that the owner of the car goes to the state. McDonald's never sees a dime. Only the state and the towing company makes any money off of towing cars.

SpiritBear12 McDonald's and the other businesses didn't make anything off of it. They didn't even call in. The towing companies were lying about getting the calls and, like I said, literally stealing cars out of parking lots.

Jim Schuck I see.

The state doesn't see that money either, just the towing company.

Russell Telker If a cop writes out a parking ticket, the state or town gets that money.

Why dont we just privatize breathing also

jamie stewart because you don't need to shop at places that have crooked car parks to live.

That's exactly what happen at the city not far away from mine. Did not take long for the malls there to change their tune. There was also a side effect as people started looking for alternatives including online shopping and hidden gems in the city. The malls in that city (there's only 3 of them) did report a loss in shoppers that never returned. Apparently they liked the alternatives far more. So it shows that the people still do have the power, they just have to be willing to excise it.

In San Antonio, Texas, the city began enforcing a rule that all wording on signage must be clearly readable (no small print). I've seen reports that car owners are winning cases against private park companies for shady practices and that the cities are ruling against them. They aren't legally enforceable. I just try not to park in commercial lots whenever possible.

Andre Laurin Surely you meant "exercise" their rights.

So what do you do, when they send you a bill for the phone call?

I parked in a free car park, in a handicap parking spot. I had a permit attached to the window, but it fell onto the seat...still visible. The local council patrols this PRIVATE car park. The result of not looking into the car, but just at the mirror, a $360.00 fine for a 10 minute park. It is just revenue raising by greedy councils.

J I agree lol

If it was for free, people would just leave their car there for ages, you wouldnt park there because there would be no parks available. Sometimes its not always about money

Yet another reason online shopping is taking off.

I'm sorry for the fact you got fined even though you had a permit that was still visible if they had just attempted to look. However also being disabled I am glad they are at least fining people illegally parking in disabled spots. It really distresses me.

Boodieman72 the problems are often around vague signs

"Vague signs" like what, for instance?

+Mojoman57 Like in big letters saying FREE PARKING to draw people in then in smaller letters at the bottom of the sign constraining the free parking to late night hours after 10 and before 6 or something. usually at the bottom of the sign or even at times on a separate sign near the one offering free parking. That one is standard where I am as it not only fucks people who don't see the "small print" but they also get a few bonus cars from people who park overnight and can't/don't move their car early enough in the morning. My mam was a single mum when I was growing up and we didn't have a lot of money. We went shopping and paid our parking but then the car wouldn't start and we had no money left for a replacement ticket. We were standing there waiting for someone to bring some tools so we could get it going and these people showed up and clamped the car on us as we were trying to explain it to them. They did not give a fuck. Once it was clamped they stuck the sticker that doesn't come off on the drivers window (which endangers the driver on the way home by reducing visibility by the way). Then they said if we payed 200 cash they would take the clamp off. The second my mam said she didn't have it they called the tow truck. Thankfully I managed to get security from the shopping center that we were parked at to help but the clampers wouldn't back down insisting that it was not the shopping centers business they have a contract (with the shopping center) that "lets" them do this. Two of the security then held the clampers while they took the keys to the clamp and unlocked it. They were legends they even pushed the car out of the car park into the staff parking bay until we got the thing going. The cops were called and everything but we never heard anything about it after. They are scum.

That0Homeless0Guy Wow, that is pretty shitty.

I agree when you take a drivinglicense you lern to read signs and park, this is neaded in sweden

Hulk Slayer if they are parking illegally then the store should provide more space for its customers, I mean they are their revenue.

They are parked illegally, so I don't know why they are having a cry. It's your responsibility to make sure you are aware of the rules of parking somewhere.

+Maestro 24 If they're illegally parked that doesn't mean theres not enough spaces, people just don't want to pay...

PBMS123 That I know but why charge parking in the first place? In many places around the world this practice is not even heard of let alone if many stores did practice this, they would not survive as customers don't want to be burdened with a service that should be a compliment for their choice of purchase

Parking issues like this are all about supply and demand. Whatever the case, it is not your property, you are the guest. You have the liberty to not use the businesses. The simple solution is to obey the laws and don't park improperly when the owner has posted the rules of parking in that location.

Nick Nick People like to waste time hanging around while shopping, beside that one must consider that in some cases it is the only "physical exercise" that they do... Anyway, your view would make traffic and time management better.

Not everyone wants to be a basement dweller....

Have you told Costco & Aldi & Lidl & Carrefours and Walmart and those other global multi-billion dollar supermarkets that they are now outdated ??

Grumpy OldMan Shut up fuckface! You ARE NOT allowed to kill someone in Texas or any other state if you see them stealing your car. You can only kill someone in self defense or if you feel your life is in danger. A car being stolen does not justify first degree murder . Im an Attorney and I hear some really stupid shit in my line of work including what YOU said. Absolutey ridiculous!

To me, it looks like kidnapping. Maybe her should have called the police and reported it that way.

Kal Well done... hope you get recorded causing criminal damage and go to jail. One less criminal with an over-inflated sense of entitlement breaking the rules

@@artruisjoew5473 No. The boot is part of the agreement. If you park there and need to be booted, you have agreed to it simply by parking there.

Yea blows me away, We don't do that in Canada AND the owners have the added expense of keeping their lots free of snow and ice. Land owners just adjust the lease instead, less of an impact on everyone to up the lease a few bucks. Stores pay the extra few bucks, the merch hardly changes in price. In honesty practices like in this video are severely damaging to the economy YOU SIMPLY CANT LIVE AWAY FROM A TRANSIT ROUTE, basically killing smaller communities as well as industrial operations. I've had 10 jobs in my life and only one of them was on a bus route

But then again, our hospitals (at least here in Ontario) charge unbelievable amounts for parking for visiting your sick loved ones in the hospital.

iLeetProductions same here in the 'States...at least here in upstate & northern NY. The only hospital parking that's free is the ER lot & that's nearly always full. The garages are run by middle easterners. Garages are not safe, not well lit and a good portion of them are falling apart.

You guys sound like huge, gimme babies that don't understand supply and demand. When the demand for parking exceeds the supply, paid parking becomes viable. If you don't like it, stay off of the property. As to the hospital, the construction of the parking garage costs millions of dollars. Who should pay to park there? The sick people that aren't using it? Give me a break!

As soon as a business charges for the privilege of shopping there, they've lost my demand. Seriously, why would anyone spend their hard earned money at a business that seems bound and determined to keep you out of their parking lot without a ransom?

Yes but it is his car, and not his choice to get towed to the depot in it :)

Rick Uyeda under united states federal law, kidnapping is simply to move someone from one place to another that is unwanted.

I had the same idea. But hearing it from someone else helps me see it differently. He was told that the car was going to be towed. He refused to get out of the car. He is not being kidnapped or held against his will. He voluntarily stayed in the car, knowing full well that it would be towed. Or, at least, he had been assured that it would be so he had reason to believe that it would happen. It would be interesting to watch it on Judge Judy.

RuleofFive Charleston, WV here and it's the same way. The ticket for not paying the meter is $75 and if it gets towed it's $250.

Not that easy, often these car parks won't show proper signage, will only show signage until after you are inside and it's too late, hide signs or intentionally convoluted times IE changing from day to day, hour to hour and signs to confuse people. Also I don't give a shit who you are or where you parked, you never tow a vehicle while there is someone in it, that is fucking criminal. Not to mention the towies damaging cars is inexcusable. Just saying "don't park there" is a ridiculous statement that underlies the problem.

Some does, or atleast used to do...

thephantom1492 I don't know in the reste Canada but I am 55 years old and I can't tell you that In chopping mall in Quebec Province there were never fee to pay. In fact there are issu between street retaillers because they loosing customers over chopping malls. Me I never shop in street retailers because of that. The cities raise there fees and the new parking meters we cannot see how much time left and the next guy have to put money in that shit because he is not going to take that chance. I live in Montreal.

mssca yes but we are talking about malls. The huge parking around the mall that belong to the malls and free of parking in order to attract clients inside. It always been free since I am a kid. Maybe you talking about Some very small shopping centre of few stores but not the malls. I don't know about the rest of Canada but here in Quebec province, there are no such thing as big malls paid parking.

Marco Polo I'm pretty sure there is one in montreal, there was a closed gate with a small cabin... But I can't remember where it was or know if it is still active.

sacr3 they're*

+Jacob Chernyak, They're, Thanks.

BigDippas this is exactly what I was thinking when watching this.

BigDippas seriously right.. if someone parked on they're front lawn they would have it towed so really what's the difference.. it's privately owned property either pay or don't park there..

Andrew Schmoyer LMAO it doesn't matter, do you think the public owns the grocery store or the it's parking lot, or do you think a private business owns it? a parking lot for a business is private property, generally. they can set rules for their property as they see fit, same as you and your own property.

Andrew Schmoyer I'm not arguing that it sucks, I'm arguing that it's the law. You pay for parking at theme parks, or car parks, or stadiums, or zoos, or tons of other places. When you go in to private property and they say you have to pay to park or you get towed, booted, or fined it's a legal issue not a moral one and the law takes precedent. Do I enjoy paying thirty bucks for parking in the city or fifteen bucks at the local minor league stadium, no. Do I pay them because I have to, yeah. If ya don't want to pay go somewhere else and park or find another solution to it.

wait untill you get older and have to pay bills for your car, yes I get what you mean but we pay enough taxes for our cars as it is we should be entitled to park it without paying fees

Better learn to lockpick. The angle grinder is vandalism, and lead you straight to jail... And yes, it is stupid, they have the right to steal your propriety and damage it, yet you can't damage their...

+thephantom1492 if that shit destroys my wheel that too be vandalism you know

MrCazador123 They are designed to not do damage to your wheel or car unless you try to drive with it. But if they do create some damage then yes you can sue. But the damages will be done due to a misinstallation or someone trying to remove it by force... So good luck proving it... But yes, it shouln't be legal to use that...

Its a civil matter not a criminal one at least here in the United States, a cop can't legally stop a person from cutting off a boot unless it was placed by a government agency. The private company booter can take it to small claims court for restitution of damaged or destroyed property but they almost need video evidence of the act and must verify that the boot was placed their legally at the time of the incident.

Nick Armock in some states its illegal and some its legal, sadly a few states where its legal they don't have very heavy restrictions on the tow companies or the fines for illegal towing is so low they can make a huge profit even if they have fines to pay.

There was a town council member who didn't like my car and had the city install a no parking sign beside my parking spot right in front of my house. I left my car at the lot I worked at and, with the company owner's approval and encouragement, parked my company tow truck in my front yard. Despite the sign and the city law against parking anywhere on the grass, it was never touched.

+Gryffin DarkBreed Unfortunately for you, the boots are numbered and associated with your car, so if you were to remove one, they know who to bill. And those boots are not cheap either. Though you could always remove it and claim that someone stole it. Just make sure that you cannot be identified, or it'll cost you.

Gryffin DarkBreed where I live your property starts at your water stand pipe

Of course, you rob people of their freedom.

BluePhoenix2013 not realy because one the have the car it is legally theirs not yours you are just stowing away

At no point is the car legally theirs; you retain ownership. Kidnapping is taking and holding someone against their will.

BluePhoenix2013 yes it is

BluePhoenix2013 yea it is you heard it for yourself and that law wouldnt just be in Queensland here in Australia the moment they start rolling its kidnapping cause you cant get out of a moving vehicle your stuck till they stop there taking your freedom away

In some cities US, accredited companies can request for the name and address of the owner for allegedly illegally parked on private property.

I'm in the states. We have a huge problem with this kind of predatory behavior from towing companies. They'll wait with boots for you to go inside a building or home and as soon as you're gone there is a boot on your car. You could be inside for 5 min. They put a big old orange sticker on the drivers window too that is extremely difficult to remove. They don't care what problems they cause. And they will get the money from you one way or another. Even apt managers here with private lots get irritated with the behavior. If someone gets booted in their lot, the car can be there for days. Either because the owner of the car can't pay to get the boot removed or they are just taking their sweet time to get around to it. It's much cheaper then towing for these companies here. It's a huge problem but the city council allows it because they don't have to pay police to give tickets.

Americus Patrioticus actually, some localities are pairing with some Australian outfits for red light and speed cameras. Generally the politicians responsible are removed from office.

I agree. However, I think there is more going on here than just that. They are ticketing and towing for simply not displaying your ticket. That is pretty messed up. Think about it. Almost anywhere else in the world if you don't have a ticket they will just charge you the max... right? They don't start impounding your car...lol. Not unless you refuse to pay or something like that.

101perspective If a ticket isn't displayed, how do they know if you have one? It's up to the lot owner whether to tow or not. I'm sure the towee will pay and display in the future.

***** I may just be misunderstanding how the system works. Is it prepaid? If so, then that would make sense. I'm used to seeing where you get a ticket when you arrive and pay as you leave. Pretty sure this is how it worked in Germany also when I lived there. That was a good 15 years ago though. I also never visited the bigger cities. Regardless, if it is prepaid then that seems to just be a system set up to fine people. People would either need to pay for a lot more time than they need or they risk getting insane fines. That is just a rip off no matter how you look at it. And you know they intend for it to be. It would require multiple people no doubt to manage a prepaid system. For a pay as you leave you just need a gate and one person. Assuming it is prepaid. If not then I don't get why it would matter if you displayed the ticket or not.

William Wilson yes!! Thank you

Ed Va I'm pretty sure the government does pay it's bills. You hear something in the news from time to time each year in regards to the budget, etc. And I think we definitely have gotten close to reneging on loan payments. However, if it has actually happened I don't think it has happen that often. THAT SAID, I'm pretty sure Trump has all but stated that he plans to do this... to not pay our full loan payments. I wouldn't get too concerned about that right now though. He isn't in office yet and he has already done a 180 on some of what he promised in other areas. In regards to loan payments I think it is more likely he will continue the payments but try to get some kind of reimbursement in another form... or, maybe just forget he even said anything about it... who knows.

racket.

The have to pay maintenance on the parking lot. Either charge everybody that parks there, or increase prices. I guess nobody offers parking passes, or validation, or cash back if you present your parking receipt.

Nic Neufeld My car is private property. If you don't like where I'm parked, tell me to move, if I don't, call the police. That's what they're there for.

If you choose to disregard the rules and park your car there anyway, the police won't help you?? By parking on private property you're agreeing to the rules set by the owner, this includes getting your car towed. Hell, the purpose of the sign is to tell you that they don't want you parked there if you aren't going to follow their rules, so they have every right to call the towing company without telling you a second time.

You agree to the rules by parking there. The rules say that they harvest your kidneys and rape you. Totally legal. All written on a sign right under that bench. Looked like a public road? No problem, it was technically private. Totally reasonable.

your private property is still on their private property. the signs put up telling you not to park in certain areas, going over your permitted time, etc are their prewarning to gtfo so someone doesnt have to physically hold peoples hand through following rules.

come on be realistic. those set rules still have to follow within laws.

d3lp0rto d3lp0rto Why?

No one really wants a crappy Saab.

Better than your bus pass, kid.

Bahn saabs have been proven to be some of the safest cars in crashes lol car companies couldnt work out why saabs were so expensive for what you got till one company got a second hand one and crash tested it by dropping it on its roof turns out saab are fanatical about safety more so then Mercedes or BMW

Don't drive into Boston then. You have to pay for parking to go to shopping centers, the Hospital, the movies, go out to eat, bring your dry cleaning to be done, everything! You're either parking in multi level parking garages and pay when you leave, or parking meters out on the streets. When parking becomes a premium, (too many cars and not enough spaces) cities will charge people for parking.

Keeping with the informational content displayed in your reply: Yellow dildoes are sharpened by teddy bears with rabies and chewing gum.

you must not live in a heavily populated area. this goes on in large cities all over the US. there's probably a handful of cars being put on trucks in Los Angeles as I type this comment out.