Surround Sound Feedback for your virtual pinball!

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Episode#25 Custom Virtual Pinball Cabinet Build
In this video I will be showing you how to install a Surround Sound Feedback (SSF) system into your virtual pinball cabinet so you can hear and feel sounds coming from the playfield just like a real pinball cabinet! Neat!
I will show you how it works, what parts you need, where to place them, how to wire up your exciters/base shakers/amplifiers, how to set up a 7.1 surround sound in your pc, how to test them, and a bunch of troubleshooting tips to get it all working and tuned up properly. This stuff seems crazy hard but is actually pretty simple once you have a walkthrough like this. Fear not! I got you!
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@crennyw Месяц назад

Starting the SSF for my second build. Watched again as a refresher! Lots of memories where I struggled the first time. This time having lived all that from before, should go much easier. Picked up on things I missed before when watching again : )

@wayofthewrench Месяц назад

Awesome! Glad it was useful and still relevant for people starting out or building another vpin! I might even watch my video again once I'm ready to install ssf on the big budget build. Thanks for the watch!

@tilburger1986 Месяц назад

Guys, I ordered exactly what you have recommended. It’s perfect, It’s a big difference! Not stereo sound but you hear and feel the ball everywhere.If you make it like this your cabinet will reach a hole other level 😄 I’m very happy with this setting.

@wayofthewrench Месяц назад

Awesome! Yeah I remember my first experience with hearing/feeling my ssf.....it's game changing! Glad the video helped you out! Thanks for the watch and your support for the channel! Cheers!

@tilburger1986 Месяц назад

@wayofthewrench thanks a lot for the video i really appreciate that you made this video. I have only ordered that parts en watch your video a multiple times 😊. It is really a game changer. I goos from a screen in a cabinet to a “real” pinball cabinet. It cost a few 100 bucks and a day work. This is one of the first upgrades some people need to do if they want the real experience is my opinion. Thanks again! The next step is setup the buttons and adjust every table sound.

@macdox69 2 месяца назад

Your videos were so valuable for helping make my virtual cabinet, thank you. One issue I encountered once everything was set up was some tables made terrible rumbling sounds and shook my cabinet to an alarming amount. Having never used SSF before, I wasn't sure if this was normal and not something I wanted. It took a while to realize the issue was some tables had all there settings in VP sound manager set to table. So all music, speech was sent to the SSF speakers as well. A simple toggle to send to the backglass and save the table and problem fixed. It wasn't a problem with all music, speech, but for some it needed to be changed. Maybe that might help someone else with the same issue.

@wayofthewrench 2 месяца назад

I've had this happen on only 2 out of 150 tables or so. So it's pretty rare. I wonder if you just happened to find a couple in a row. Thanks for the watch and welcome to the channel!

@Jewer76 Год назад

Your excitement when you feel the exciters for the first time absolutely sold it for me :D

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yeah dude! The very first flipper hit was a real eye opener......so needed on vpins. Thanks for the watch!

@sh987 Год назад

Another Canadian (Victoria) and wanted to stop and thank you for your video. I just followed it step-by-step to get SSF going in my cabinet.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Awesome! I used to live in Victoria! I really miss the Island.....but maybe not the rain. You're very welcome! Hope this video makes it really easy for you. SSF is amazing, you're gonna be blown away! Thanks for the watch and welcome to the channel!

@brandonconstant7226 8 месяцев назад

Great video, very clean setup! One thing you should also consider when choosing an amplifier is that the advertised RMS ratings are assuming a 24 volt input (at least with the cheaper Amazon ones). Sometimes the listings will have a comparison table for 12v, 19v, etc.

@wayofthewrench 8 месяцев назад

Yeah that's good info. These amps Rock though, they are way louder than needed..even at 12 v in. Thanks for the watch!

@joeybeaulieu8123 Год назад

This is now going to be my go to SSF tutorial video I will point folks to. So Well Explained. only thing I Would of added, is to explain what different color plug ins on a 7.1 built in sound card would be front sides and back. incase they didnt use the startech route. but other then that, this is the most clear informative and easy to follow video I have ever seen for SSF installs. Hopefully this will encourage many to persue and try it on their cab builds at home, I know quite a few that are scared to try it cause they think its too complicated, and I think this video will set them straight. Thank you.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Awesome, I was shooting for making a clear and easy to understand ssf video so Im happy to hear you think I nailed it. Good point about telling people what the 7.1 connections are on a motherboard but I think I covered that at 7:25. Thanks for the watch and for your support of the channel! Cheers!

@larrypeterson2453 Год назад

Installed my SSF the other day following your excellent video. I am running Windows 10 and used the same sound card, everything worked perfectly. Getting this up and running without your video would have been a challenge. Thanks for all the great videos!!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Awesome! Im happy to hear that my video made it easy for ya to get set up. SSF is pretty amazing eh? Thanks for the watch!

@TomWoodsAmp Год назад

Hi fellow Canuck! I built seven machines years ago. Now trying to get back into the world and do a new build for myself. Your videos are fantastic and amazing guides. I was recently trying to wrap my head around 7.1 and SSF versus the old school of two 2.1 systems I used to do. This video really helped! Great work, much appreciated

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Hey! Where are you in the Great White North? Glad my video helped ya get going with SSF, it's a game changer for sure. Cheers!

@TomWoodsAmp Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Southern Ontario - Elora Cheers!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Nice, I'm in Vancouver B.C. cheers!

@RussellStewart Год назад

Really good video. Thank you for sharing SSF with everyone. It’s fantastic to see it so popular these days.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yeah it is pretty amazing to experience and I'm super glad I installed ssf on my vpin cab. Thanks for the watch!

@SmarK2K 5 месяцев назад

this video is gold, should be in the bible of virtual pinball building, thank you very much!

@wayofthewrench 5 месяцев назад

Wow, thanks! Glad you appreciate the video and my teaching style. If you deem me worthy, I'd really appreciate it if you could share out my channel on your social media so I can help more people. Thanks for the watch and welcome to the channel!

@falviousuk Год назад

One of the best, easily explained video I have seen on this subject. Will check out your other videos

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thank you very much! I try very hard to make the best videos I can so it's always nice to hear back from people. If you deem me worthy, I'd really appreciate it if you could share my channel on your social media so I can help more people. Thanks for the watch!

@johnk12345100 Год назад

Thank you! I had horrific SSF feedback when. I turned up my 2 amps. Put those ground loop isolators on, and it sounds great. NO feedback at all!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Awesome, glad I could help you figure out the issue! Thanks for the watch!

@rul644 5 месяцев назад

I have my doubts if i will add this kind of system sound in my future virtual pinball, but, if i would, obviously i will follow your instructions! It was very very easy to watch and understand😊 The machine i'm going to do will be more easier. Because of my budget. I'm going to use recycled parts of PCS, TVs and so on. Many thanks for the easy explanation, and sorry about my english.😅

@wayofthewrench 5 месяцев назад

SSF is required in my opinion, I wouldn't build a cabinet without it.....it is that good! You should totally plan for it. Thanks for the watch and welcome to the channel!

@scottzimmer8336 Год назад

Your timing is great. I have mostly the exact hardware for SSF (based on your previous video) and I am nearly ready to make my attempt at installation. Based on this video, my confidence is much higher. Thanks so much for such a great series!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Perfect! I hope your install is a clean and easy one bud! Ask if you have any questions.

@nealrobinson7886 Год назад

I’ve been thinking so much about how I need to learn how to do this for my build process!! This video is awesome!!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

You need to add SSF to your vpin or you need to start your vpin? SSF is a huge game changer! Lot's to learn but waaaay worth it. Cheers!

@johnr8898 Год назад

I absolutely love this channel and how thorough you are with explaining your build process. I was super new to the Vpinball world and your videos have certainly taught me a ton!! THANK YOU!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thank you for your kind words! Glad you're loving the content! If you deem me worthy, I'd really appreciate it if you could share my channel on your social media so I can help more people. Thanks in advance and welcome to the channel John!

@jerry_lopez Год назад

Great video on SSF. Already ordered same parts. Can’t wait to see the future paint and vinyl video and find out what you do with the pocket holes. Love to see a video when it’s all finished on lessons learned, what would you do different, etc.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks Jerry! Yeah the bodywork is coming soon....not looking forward to the sanding. That's a great idea! I'll make a video at the end of the budget build sharing my lessons learned and what I would do differently. Thanks for the idea! Cheers Jerry!

@dmoehling Год назад

Another Amazing quality build video! SSF is great, though as you mentioned, not supported on all tables. Worth adding to your cabinet without a doubt!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks dude! Yeah ssf is pretty awesome and it's hard to play non ssf tables for sure. Luckily a lot of these vpx tables have it. I'll get DOFLinks set up later and get some more ssf goodness going. Thanks for the watch!

@Leroys_Stuff Год назад

I’m really impressed with this been fun hanging around can’t wait to see this done looking awesome

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks Leroy! Yeah its going pretty good, moving on the addressable leds next! Cheers!

@HomeArcadeInABox Год назад

Really good video. You explained SSF better than I have ever seen. Great work here.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks Bruh! Hoping this will make it easier for people to get into the hobby and enjoy one of the cooler aspects of vpins....ssf! Cheers!

@HomeArcadeInABox Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Most definitely. Goal accomplished. Explained even better than Major Frenchy and that is saying something.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks bud! Major Frenchy Messaged me a while ago, he is watching my series to build a vpin cabinet from scratch now. Cool huh?

@illrod3k Год назад

Very thorough tutorial, awesome job… thanks for sharing

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Awesome! Glad you liked the video! Thanks for the watch! Cheers!

@bellonwheels726 Год назад

Thank you for another great video. I can give a big Amen to your suggestion of the Logitech Z407. As a professional audio engineer, I am quite picky about sound. Based on your earlier advice, I installed this in my cabinet and am very impressed. For the dollar it is one of the best sounding systems I've encountered. Once again you have NOT steered me wrong! Thank you.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yeah it's an amazing system and was blown away by the quality and clear loud music that came out of it! Im not a professional audio engineer but I play guitar and mess around with car audio installs so I like to think my ear for good clean audio is pretty good. How's your build going?

@bellonwheels726 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Finished except for glass and cab exterior, which needs pocket hole fills, sanding and painting. Taking a break over the holidays and will pick back up in 2023. Also, I haven't installed any LED FX and I'm not sure I ever will - but leaving the option open for future expansion.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Cool, you're where I am then. I'm doing LED Fx though so you can see if you want to from my videos coming soon. So far they are pretty cool!

@djcasl Год назад

Thank you for the Exciter tip, wil definitely be using those on my own build

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yeah ya gotta do it, it's a huge upgrade....HUGE!

@cybermad64 Год назад

Your wiring is sooooo clean. :O

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks Marc! When I do the final tear down/paint/assemble I will tidy it up even further using split loom tubing. Thanks for the watch!

@scorpio6819 Год назад

I had these Transducer in my cab , but I wasn't satisfied, so I upgraded to Daytonaudio HDN-8 sounds and feels great 😊 I have watched all your videos great work btw 👍

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Oh yeah? That sucks, well hopefully I got some good ones that lasts cause right now these ones rock! Thanks for all your watch time, much appreciated! Cheers!

@philmckracken1354 Год назад

Sweet, thanks for the links to the parts you used. :) keep em' flippin'.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

You bet! Let me know if I missed something from the video. Cheers!

@philmckracken1354 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench All of my parts arrived today so I'll be working on this set up this weekend :) I'll let you know how it goes.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Sweet, I'm excited for you.....it's pretty awesome once you hear/feel it!

@rsb3609 7 месяцев назад

Hi,maybe I missed this in your pinball video series,but did you install any solenoids,for you flippers?,thanks for the series;and the end result is amazing.

@wayofthewrench 7 месяцев назад

Nope, I haven't installed solenoids. I went with SSF first and I am super happy with how it is. I might make a video on adding solenoids later just to help people out that want to do that. Thanks for the watch and your support for the channel! Cheers!

@DJ_Blaker Год назад

Once I finish building my games room, this will be my next big build fooooor sure!! Sound and vibration makes a huge difference I bet! Much more realistic feeling!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yeah you gotta build one of these, you won't be disappointed. SSF for the win!

@yenski132able Год назад

Thanks so much for your video, a simple solution for my new cabinet :)

@wayofthewrench Год назад

You're very welcome. Doesn't SSF rock! You get it installed yet? You have to install Pinvol after....it's another game changer!. Thanks for the watch!

@linoj Год назад

Been watching and loving all your videos. Came back to this one because i'm getting ready to order parts for my cab. FYI there's a typo in your notes, first item says "Startech 7.1 External Video Card" but i'm sure you meant "audio"! :)

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Awesome, glad you enjoying the content! Yes, you're right....it should be audio card. Thanks for the heads up! Cheers Jonathan!

@happydonkeypinball 6 месяцев назад

Es increíble como explicas de bien cada cosa que haces, hablamos idiomas distintos y con los subtitulos automáticos te puedo seguir perfectamente, gracias y saludos

@wayofthewrench 6 месяцев назад

That's awesome! I'm glad that people all around the world can learn from my content! Maybe you can help me be famous in your part of the world, I'd really appreciate it if you could share out my channel on your social media so I can help more people. Thanks for the watch and your support for the channel. Cheers!

@tonysapienza384 6 месяцев назад

Wow, let me say that anyone who hasn't added SSF yet should definitely consider it. A major upgrade! I'm trying to figure out how to balance the feedback on flippers and bumpers and the backbox volume. Back box volume is way to loud but that's the only way I can figure out how to get right level of flipper feedback. I think I just need to toy around with it more. Only problem, I may have blown my amps. Everything was working fine and I left and came back to tweak some more and now the exciters and base shakers do not work at all and my amps won't turn on. I need to check to see if the fuse I attached to the power blew. Any other thoughts? It was working fine and now nothing...

@wayofthewrench 6 месяцев назад

Yup, ssf is a game changer! Sounds like you need to watch my pinvol and xpadder video so you can adjust all of that. You may have blown a fuse or lost power or had a window update that messed up your audio setup. Hope that helps. Thanks for the watch and your support for the channel! Cheers!

@tonysapienza384 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for the reply! I owe you more thank yous than I can count and this is another. It was indeed a fuse. I wonder why it blew? But I never would have thought to put one on this line except I've watched all your videos and each of them dozens of times. I'm almost done with my cab and it's great -- that's in huge part to your truly excellent videos. Thank you for all that you share! And yes, I did watch both the pinvol and xpadder videos and used them to set up my system. I can control my global volume and my table volume but the exciter controls don't work anymore (they did when I first set everything up). I need to watch your video again and try to set it up again because that would help. About to put vibration mat on now but interestingly, the only table that seems to have a tilt problem is AC-DC. But I'm also not totally happy with the sound level or feedback level and if I increase it a bit I may start having more problems so time to lift up my panel and start covering with matting :). The only bad thing about this project is that I'm running out of things to do with it. So much fun building it. I already built a full size retropie arcade so I'm ready for the next project -- will be looking to see what you might come up with. Many thanks again for your expert guidance. Really enjoy the channel.

@tonysapienza384 6 месяцев назад

Going to press my luck and see if I could ask you one last question: I blew a fuse again after turning up the volume on front exciters/bass shaker. I got the sound where I want it but I thought it felt better with just a bit more power from the amp and that blew the fuse. I saw the Bojack fuses in a 5 amp as well as the 1 amp that I'm using from your video. If I use a 5 amp is that safe or is it too high and could that damage the amplifier? I thought maybe a 5 amp fuse might allow me to turn up the amplifier a bit more without blowing the fuse. Appreciate your advice!

@lkamons2 9 месяцев назад

Your videos are excellent BTW. 2 more quick questions. Do you think that the Dayton Audio BST-1 High Power Pro Tactile Bass Shaker 50 Watts RMS, 4 Ohms Impedance - Turn Any Surface into a Speaker System - Generates Subwoofer Lows could be installed under the bottom of the cabinet rather than in the cabinet? I am thinking of adding SSF to my mini VPIN 27" play field and don't really have the room to mount on the inside of the cabinet. Also, the exciters you specify are 8 ohm and the bass shakers are 4 ohm. Does that make a difference? Thanks again for your support of this great hobby!

@wayofthewrench 9 месяцев назад

Thanks very much! I try very hard to make the very best videos I can so it's always nice to hear from subscribers. Yes you totally can mount them on the outside and they will feel/sound the same but they will be exposed and vulnerable to getting damaged if the cabinet is moved. I haven't noticed any issues with the different ohms, they are very powerful and needed to be turned down. Thanks for the watch and Happy New Year's!

@jeffpara9113 4 месяца назад

Nice video! Curious though how this compares to regular DOF with solenoid/contactor outputs. Very familiar with that setup and my cabinet currently has 8 solenoids and 2 contactors for the outputs. being as they are mounted in the typical bumper/kicker/flipper locations the sounds are real and come from the area that is more or less where they are on the tables. This is a good concept IF its the same or better than physical hardware sounds, I just don't see it (or hear it). I built my cabinet back in the vp8/9 days, and constantly upgrading. This seems like a good idea, I just don't want to "downgrade" from the real sounds I have with physical components.

@wayofthewrench 4 месяца назад

Thanks! The first time you hear and feel the ball rolling down a wire form, you'll be hooked. SSF is amazing and for $150, you don't need to be worried....it is worth it. Plus you can have both running if you want or pick which sounds are run during the game. I highly recommend you install ssf, you can thank me later. Thanks for the watch and welcome to the channel!

@rtkiiiprod 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for this...i want to add this to my setup for sure.

@wayofthewrench 9 месяцев назад

You're very welcome! Yes, you need to add ssf for sure. It's amazing. Thanks for the watch!

@bmeist7873 3 месяца назад

Fantastic video, thanks! I was just wondering why you daisy chain the 12V power on the amps VS connecting each Amp to the 12V terminal block. Is that just to optimize and simplify wiring?

@wayofthewrench 3 месяца назад

You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed the video and my teaching style! If you deem me worthy, I'd really appreciate it if you could share out my channel on your social media so I can help more people. Yes, I daisy chain the power and ground to save room and make a cleaner look. If I remember correctly, I used 16 gauge wire so there were no issues with voltage drops. Thanks for the watch and welcome to the channel!

@seanmal99 Год назад

Really amazing series. Thank you! Can't wait to see the next video

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Awesome! Stoked to hear ya guys are liking them. Editing some new videos right now!

@seanmal99 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Really looking forward to hear if SSF is sufficient for you and if you are planning on adding more toys like shakers, solenoids, etc. I am working on a build and trying to decide if I need to plan on things like LEDWiz and a sainsmart board to power Lighting and other toys. Sounds like you are not going that route yet? But it would be great to see the series progress and you add more things over time.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Honestly, I think ssf is enough but I will most likely add some solenoids/contactors to show people how to do it. I also am putting in dof controlled leds using a teensy and octo board. I also already have an ledwiz board and some rgb buttons for a future upgrade video too. I also want to add some mechanical toys like a shaker motor. Lots still to do! Cheers!

@Chinu306 4 месяца назад

Great Video again! I also try do install my SSF but I have a problem because I bought 100W exciter cause they were cheaper than the dayton 25w and had good recom. - but now i have the problem finding the right amp. Does it really destroy my exc. or the amplifier if my amp is not powerful enough or does the the exciter just has limited power? I thought that its a bigger problem if the amp is bigger than the exciter 🤔🤔 Thank you for all your great videos.

@wayofthewrench 4 месяца назад

If your amp is under powered the exciters will clip and shorten their life. Might be better to put in the lower watt exciters or find a bigger amp. Hope that helps. Thanks for the watch!

@namtech425 4 дня назад

Dude where's the beard?!?!?!? My wife would skin me if I shaved. LOL! the cabinet is looking super good.

@wayofthewrench 4 дня назад

Lol, mine too. Every November I shave it off to raise awareness and fundraise for cancer research. This year I think I'm shooting for $5,000 and I'm gonna need everyone to pitch in. Thanks for the watch! Cheers!

@andrewseroka2173 Год назад

Love this video, thank you for spending the time to put this together

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks Andrew! Glad you enjoyed the video. You building a vpin? Cheers!

@andrewseroka2173 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench yes for sure, it’s a long process and information such as your video is invaluable to join the dots

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yeah, it's a big complicated project for sure but also probably the coolest thing I have ever made. I'm just glad the videos are helping people out. Enjoy your build Andrew!

@andrewseroka2173 Год назад

Don’t think this was covered, what power supply/supplies are required to power the two amplifiers to drive the two bass and four exciters.? Thank you

@cpace123 Год назад

Did you see the 3D with no glasses at CES? Man that would be such an upgrade for a pinball table. Of course it was CES so who knows if we will ever get it.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

No I'll have to check that out. I know that vpx has some kinda 3d setting that uses glasses and the future pinball uses bam and a xbox 360 kinect for 3d. I haven't tried either yet but it's on my list.

@rogeriorafaldini2899 Год назад

Sua explicação é sensacional. Parabéns!!! Tenho uma máquina montada e penso em fazer isso.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Don't think about it....do it! You won't regret it! Salut!

@Diego10-80 Год назад

You are the best!! Regards from Madrid!!!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Cheers Diego! Thanks for the praise!

@kdstyles1979 Год назад

I have really enjoyed watching your builds. I doubt strongly I will ever do as much as you are doing, but I am getting great ideas for my next build. My first build was an android base pinball machine based on the Sharpin pinball machine. of course I cant do multi display on an android so my backglass is just a reel of animated backglasses on a cheap android box matching the zen pinball games I have downloaded and the DMD is the sharpin software they provide to screen capture the DMD on the main display. it broadcasts to a tablet i has setup as the DMD screen. its choppy and grainy but gets the job done for a cheap build. I am trying to keep both as budget friendly as possible to avoid just purchasing one out right.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Glad you're enjoying the channel Kory! Cool! That sounds neat, I wonder if my raspberry pi setup that I used on my arcade would work like you said. I might make a Custom design mini pinball after this cause my wife won't let me bring it in the house plus mine is not really portable. Thanks for the watch!

@panossales Год назад

thank you so much! I still wanted to ask you, have you connected the logitech z407 to the computer with usb? or in the sound card with 3.5 jack? I also wanted to ask you why you used 2x 2.1 amplifiers and not 1x 7.1? Thank you very much for your time and help@@wayofthewrench

@bdesruis 9 месяцев назад

Great work. Is your Logitech Z407 plugged on the Startech device with a 3.5 jack from the back of the subwoofer ? Is your Logitech used as a bluetooth device at the same time ?

@wayofthewrench 9 месяцев назад

Yes it is and it has Bluetooth but I only turn it on if I want my own music playing from my phone. Thanks for the watch!

@douglasdeoliveirasouza1025 Год назад

Congratulations for the work, your videos are certainly the most complete that have ever been made about pinball assembly. Here in Brazil, for example, there is almost nothing about the subject. because you didn't use solenoids, are the exitators and shaker system already enough to bring a nice experience? The second is, where the boxes that you placed from longiteck are connected, I didn't see it in the video, there are three cables if I'm not mistaken .Enfin congratulations for the excellent work!

@douglasdeoliveirasouza1025 Год назад

I looked at the video one more time and I saw that behind the subwoofer box, there are inputs for the small boxes, hehehe.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

You're very welcome! Glad you like the series. If you deem me worthy, I'd really appreciate it if you could share my channel on your social media so I can help more people. Yes, in my opinion the exciters and base shakers are really spectacular and the solenoids are not needed. I highly recommend ssf for your build! Thanks for the watch!

@douglasdeoliveirasouza1025 Год назад

Yes, I recommend your channel in Brazilian communities!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Appreciate the support! Cheers!

@douglasdeoliveirasouza1025 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench My friend, here it is now 01:40 and the heat is around 30 degrees. I imagine it must be very cold there.

@terrysmith3767 Год назад

Excellent videos, they are a massive help! Stupid question that I must have missed in video. Are you connecting the Bass Shaker's to the sub port of the start tech? And are they connected to a separate power amp?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks Terry! Glad you're liking the series! I have each base shaker connected to a 2.1 amplifier. They are not hooked up to the back box sub. Thanks for the watch!

@brycew4737 Год назад

Great video (as always). It looks like the amps you are using output 35W @4 Ohms to the sub when powered with 12v. The BST-1's are rated at 50W. Any concerns there? Wondering if I need to spring for a 24v power supply.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks dude! My ssf sounds/feels amazing so I don't think it's an issue. Thanks for the watch!

@rsb3609 7 месяцев назад

Are you using the 18 gauge wire just for speakers,or also for other components?.Thanks.

@wayofthewrench 7 месяцев назад

I used 18 gauge for speakers and power wires and 20 or 22 gauge ( it's in the parts video) for everything else. Thanks for the watch!

@cpace123 Год назад

You can convert existing drivers(speakers) into bass shakers. I will take a little learning on what speakers will be best. Also do a little thrifting and you can find some good receivers on the low cost, with plenty of power.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Hrmm....never thought about doing that. Thanks for the tip! Cheers!

@eighties8 Год назад

Thanks for another awesome video and explanation. Do you have a link for the specific size spade connectors you are using for the buttons and speaker connections?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

You're welcome dude! I usually just buy bulk boxes of these at Lordco or Napa but you can get 16-22 gauge female spade connectors just about anywhere. Heres an example www.homedepot.ca/product/gardner-bender-fully-insulated-disconnect-terminal-female-22-16-awg-0-25-inch-tab-red-15-clam/1000843286 Cheers!

@TerryWhiteside-i8v Год назад

Great video and nice build. Maybe I missed the answer/solution but just wondering why your center/subwoofer did not work on the speaker test. Did you get it resolved?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks Terry! Yes it didn't seem to test right but I have checked and my 7.1 surround system is working perfectly. I'm pretty impressed with my audio parts I installed. Thanks for the watch!

@TerryWhiteside-i8v Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Good to hear your 7.1 system is working a-okay. i have the exact opposite problem, my sub tests okay but does not work in VPX or FP. I'm using 2 powered amps for front and back and a powered sub. Trying to connect things up through the Realtek audio manager but no luck so far. I'll keep banging away at it though. Thanks again for the video and oh yea...nice shop/garage setup...

@wayofthewrench Год назад

That sucks, maybe recheck everything. Have you tried the vpx 7.1 enhanced setting? Thanks, I'm lucky to have such a nice well equiped shop. Cheers!

@TerryWhiteside-i8v Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Success, have the 5.1 front, side and sub speakers working! Had to disconnect the jack for the main speakers (backbox) from the amp in the cabinet and connect it to the powered Logitech sub. Then I plugged the jack for the rear speakers (playfield) into a front port on the computer case in the cabinet and use Realtek audio manager to retask the port to side speakers. A bit convoluted but it seems to work and it's nice to have the sub adding some thump to the system. Thanks for your video that provided me with me to a successful result.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Glad you got it figured out!

@ralfp6196 Год назад

Great und informative video. Are the exciters and bass shakers as effective as solenoids regarding to force feedback?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks Ralf! I would say they are better because they are crazy loud/lots of feeling and every table sounds/feels different. If you had contactors/solenoids, they would all have the same sound. One drawback though is the exciters can cause more false nudges if they are turned up, where contactors not as much. Thanks for the watch!

@fernandojconti Год назад

Very nice and instructive video. Did you finally put any kind of silicone or other product between the exciter and wood? Did you notice any difference?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks! No I haven't but there us no concern over vibrations with this set up.....its hella vibrating and needed to be turned down. Thanks for the watch!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks! No I haven't but there us no concern over vibrations with this set up.....its hella vibrating and needed to be turned down. Thanks for the watch!

@bonicb11b3 Год назад

Option 4 for 7.1 is to use line out from the tv or even relocate the tv speakers to the backbox. Choose hdmi for backbox and use mobo 5.1 for ssf in vpx sound settings.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Nice! That's a good tip! Cheers!

@markvane3396 7 месяцев назад

This was my question. So I have to by only 2 amplifiers? Right? Thanks

@crennyw 9 месяцев назад

It would be useful to see a diagram of how this is set up - both with the Startek and with using mother board 7.1. I always watch your videos about 3 times to get things to sink into my head! The two small speakers that came with the logitec base speaker - do they plug into the base speaker ports, or do you route those to the amplifiers?

@wayofthewrench 9 месяцев назад

There is a section in the video where I show a picture of the colors of the ports and say what plugs go into each, it's quick. There is also a quick mention of which ssf amp goes to what port on the Startech. Yes the 2 small speakers plug into the base speaker and a 3.5 mm aux from the base goes to the front plug on the Startech. Rear ssf amp goes to the sides and front ssf amp goes to the rear. Hope that helps. Thanks for the watch!

@crennyw 9 месяцев назад

I have the exciters and the surround sound working, at least my back shakers and wow are they awesome. The front amp I am not sure it working. I've ordered a replacement and just have it turned off as nothing is happening with it but the blue light is on. The cabinet is already awesome and so the front exciters will add to the awesomeness but not absolutely necessary. It could be Windows 11 or the Startech. The front shakers WERE working initially. They were causing tilt until I turned them down. Then they quit and haven't been back. Troubleshooting. @@wayofthewrench Thanks for your contributions to the community, invaluable!

@wayofthewrench 8 месяцев назад

You could swap amps to see if the problem travels to the good working exciters. Then you know it is an amp issue. Also recheck wiring, volume knobs, Startech ports used, etc. sometimes it can be a simple issue. Good luck.

@crennyw 8 месяцев назад

I had crossed wiring from one of the speakers to the amp. I replaced the amp and all is working now. I haven't tested but i think I blew that amp. Thanks!@@wayofthewrench

@wayofthewrench 8 месяцев назад

Cool, glad you figured it out. It's usually something easy like that. Cheers!

@Spawn-wt6ul Год назад

Love your vids about vpin bro, thank you.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks Bruh! You should check out my diy car vids and my welding videos that are sponsored by the Canadian Welding Association....there just as good! Thanks for the watch!

@Vidal2021 Год назад

Regardless of the driver I could never get the Startech to do 7.1. I could only get 5.1 so I returned it and found a used Asus pro MB with 7.1 on board for my 4790k. Worked perfectly the 1st go.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

I wonder if you had a bad one or if it was something weird during the setup. You wouldn't be the first guy to say that the Startech didn't work though. Glad you got ssf to work! Thanks for the watch!

@Shaner014 Год назад

Yes!!! New pinball vid day!!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yup....its on like Donkey Kong! What did ya think? Thanks for the watch!

@Shaner014 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench content is SO mint bud! Love these, and watch them no less than 3 times each to pick out all the details lol. Cheers!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Hey they says 7 times is the magic number for memory retention! Lol. Cheers!

@patricklawrence8003 Год назад

Another super informative video! Thank you so much! Where did you get your anti-vibration material? I checked on Amazon, but I didn't see anything similar in my search.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

You're welcome! Here a link to the stuff I used, heads up though...the amount I used wasn't enough. When I do the tear down and paint, I will put this mat under the entire shelf on the underside to remove more vibrations from going to the kl25z board. www.amazon.ca/Deadening-Automotive-Deadener-Insulation-dampening/dp/B082Q2J2T4/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=2GHJQZXOMZ5EQ&keywords=anti+vibration+film+audio+car&qid=1671388101&sprefix=anti+vibration+film+audio+car+%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-2

@patricklawrence8003 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench, this is gonna bum you out, brother... Costs the same price in the US Amazon store, but double the square feet. My offer over chat still stands. ;-) Regardless, thanks so much for the link. Added to my vpin purchase list.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yeah that's the story of my life.....everything is way cheaper in the states. Now that Covid is over, I need to start shipping my stuff to Blaine again. Cheers!

@patricklawrence8003 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench I'm planning a trip to Victoria in July and will probably go by way of Vancouver. LMK if you want to stock up on stuff and I shall happily deliver (coming from Seattle).

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Oh sweet, I love Victoria! If your in town on a Thursday night or Sunday, you should stop at Slice of Life in Vancouver. They have 9 pinball tables and you can play for 4 hours for $10 CAN.....that's like 50 cents American! Hrrmmm, might take you up on your offer for smuggling in pinball goods to Canada! I should get you to bring up a real pinball machine, they are stupid expensive here. LOL Cheers!

@kaledev Год назад

Any thoughts on how SSF compares on its own vs. with solenoids? I see some people that claim both are preferable together, and others claim having both is overkill. Great videos!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Ya know I haven't done it yet but I LOVE my SSF and I really can't see how it would be way better with solenoids. I like how the SSF flippers can sound different on different tables. If you had solenoids, they would all sound the same. I might make another cab and try out solenoids in the future for people. Thanks for the watch!

@abeagley492 Год назад

Really finding your videos very helpful in my build. Using the same components so was wondering on the 12V supply, how many amps you are allowing for the 2 x amps and fan control board? Is it 1 fan control board for 4 fans? I am guessing 5amps on a single 2.1 amplifier gives you maximum sound output so would we be needing 10amps for those alone or is that overkill? Was looking at using an arcade PSU but that is only providing 12V DC at 4amp so might not be enough? Much appreciated.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Awesome, glad you're liking the content! I would suggest looking up the maximum amperage your components use and total them up. Then buy a power supply that can provide more than that. I just used an old atx power supply and it worked fine. If you have an old one, just test it out. If it works great, if not...buy a dedicated 12v ps. Cheers!

@MandoMike Год назад

Excellent Video as always, great setup and explanation. I had to take a look at my motherboard and noticed I have 6 audio ports and a fiber optical out, which might give me the options for even digital amps? If that's a thing lol. I'll know once I get into windows and maybe there is a 9.1 surround option (if VPX, FP and FX3 utilizes?) which could use 6 exciters and 2 bass shakers? Research time! LoL See you in the next one!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks dude! 9.1 ssf???? That's crazy....Not sure if it would be worth it though as the spacing of exciters would be pretty minimal and hard to feel the difference.....maybe I'm wrong though. Thanks for the watch!

@MandoMike Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Yea I don't even though if 9.1 SSF is even a thing, sounds like it would be a continuous flow of sound from both sides of the cabinet front to rear. there's what a 4 foot space between front and rear exciters? Maybe adding a middle one would be that much more immersive for ball travel and mid bumpers say for Addam's Family where the bumpers are mid table? Hmmm...

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Hrmmm....maybe.......maybe. Lol

@michaelspeelman7456 Год назад

Thank so much for the video, appreciate it! Followed along and installed speakers and sub for the backbox, 4 exciters, 2 bass shakers, 2 x 2.1 channel amps and the STARTECH 7.1 sound card. Funny thing is I setup up mine the same as yours, backbox in the front (2.1), Rear in surround (5.1) and front in the back, but the sounds that were happening at the front of the table were coming out the back exciters/bass shaker and the sounds happening at the back of the table were coming out the front exciters/bass shaker. I have no idea why, the setup is the same as yours both in hardware and software setup etc. So I simply swapped the connections around, front in surround (5.1) and back in back etc. Now the exciters/bass shakers fire correctly in relation to the table. Any idea why this might be happening? Maybe the STARTECH sound card could be wired up incorrectly? Also I see in VPX there is now also a "7.1 Surround Sound Feedback Enhanced" option. Do we still use the standard option "7.1 Surround (Front is rear, back is side, backbox is front) etc? Thanks again.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Hrmmm not sure why, maybe surround is not side? Or maybe the 2.1 amps got mixed up? Glad you figured it out though. I'm still using 7.1 in vpx and not enhanced 7.1. Thanks for the watch!

@davidandambergarber6074 Год назад

So I currently have a 5.1 sound setup. I found used Logitech 5.1 computer speaker system at goodwill for $15 plus I bought a computer sound system that plugs into the pcie 4 port. I'm curious if upgrading to your setup is worth it. Here are my questions. When the ball hits the bumpers do you get bass feedback? Same with the flippers? Thank you for the video.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

I HIGHLY recommend upgrading to my setup! It really feels like real mechanical pinball parts are moving and banging underneath the monitor. It feels amazing! Hard to show this on video but it is well worth the ssf upgrade! Once you do the ssf upgrade, message me back and you tell me how much better it is! Thanks for the watch!

@Roadsurfer2k11 Год назад

This must be one of those stay at work 2 hours nightly after closing, kicking the other mechanics out kinda hobby 🤣. Or are ya the boss? Nice work.. Definitely saving the vids when I build one. i'm curious what the cab material is made from? The holes are nicely done

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Close.....I'm an tech ed teacher and this is my shop at the school. Once the students leave, I can build/film and I only get an hour or two every other day or so to work cause life is crazy busy when your trying to be a good Dad, teacher, and now youtuber. Ya you gotta build one of these! The cabinet is made of 3/4" cabinet grade plywood. There is a parts video where I talk about the wood selection if you're interested, just look at the playlist. Thanks for the watch!

@Roadsurfer2k11 Год назад

@Way of the Wrench nice, so very authentic. I have an '84 bally I'm restoring, so that's spot on to real material.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Cool, I want to restore a real pinball cabinet later......they are soooo expensive around here these days. Cheers!

@jasonkendelhardt93 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench See, this is where you get the school to let you make the cabinet AS THE CLASS, it covers damn near every shop type skill, then you raffle it off at the end of the build for the money to make the next one!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

That would be pretty cool to do with the students....maybe in the future!

@panossales Год назад

thank you very much for your video and your help. I wanted to ask you if you consider the 2x Dayton Audio BST-1 Bass Shaker necessary? I was thinking in order to reduce the cost, I used only 4 small Dayton Audio's DAEX58FP. or is it just one bass shaker instead of two.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

You could always try it without the base shaker and see how it sounds and then if you feel it's lacking, you could buy 1 and try that before buying a second. Without any base shaker(s), you will be missing out on the lower frequencies. I enjoy mine and am glad I bought them. Hope that helps. Thanks for the watch!

@MrPhilip201 Год назад

Great Video as always! So what I saw is people putting solenoids in or this SSF-system. Can you put in both at the same time or is one 'better' than the other?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks dude! You can have just ssf, or just contactors/solenoids, or you can have both.....it's up to you. Personally, my ssf system sounds and feels amazing so my opinion is that if you don't have a lot of money, just do ssf. If you want the absolute best and money is no concern, do both. You will then use ssf just for the ball rolling and ramps/rails sounds and then the flippers, pop bumpers, etc will be all mechanical toys. I may do some videos showing how to do this as well in the future. Thanks for the watch!

@MrPhilip201 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Thanks for the reply! So far I have not started my projet. Well, I have already made a 3D modell of it. But that is very interesting. Yerah, would be awesome to see how you can set the different audio signals like ball rolling and mechanical stuff to different devices.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Cool! You design a full size cabinet?

@MrPhilip201 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Yes I have. My first machine was a bartop arcade. Maybe my previous message is in your spam folder.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Cool...any projects on the go now?

@botkinracing Год назад

Question on using these amps and the Logitech speakers. My amps constantly try to connect to the Logitechs since the controller and amps are bluetooth. The haptics work fine, then 10 seconds later the haptics turn off because the amps are looking to connect to the logitech via Bluetooth, then it goes back to working. Constant cycle and I’ve literally returned and tried multiple models of these amps and they all do the same thing. How are you getting them to not use Bluetooth? Thanks for an awesome video, came in handy with my gut of my ALP.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Ya know I never hooked anything up for bluetooth and it has never tried to hook anything up either so not sure if I can help you. However, if you don't want Bluetooth working, go to Start, Settings, Devices, Bluetooth and other devices, and click on the device you don't want, and remove it. Then those amps might keep trying but the Logitech won't try to connect because it's not there. Let me know if this works. Cheers!

@botkinracing Год назад

@@wayofthewrench thanks for the response but unless I’m missing something you can’t turn the bluetooth off on the Logitechs as the remote for volume is wireless. I have Bluetooth turned off everywhere but I can hear the Logitechs try to connect to the amps every 20sec, so not sure how yours aren’t doing the same since you can’t turn bluetooth off on the amps either. I’m just going to have to try other amps and speakers as it’s driving me insane.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

So once you get Pinvol setup, you won't need the wireless volume control. You will be able to turn volume up/down, mute, night mode ( way quieter volume), etc with just button presses on your cab. So that would be a solution. The other thing you could do is do some research and find the component on your amps that allows bluetooth transmission and cut the power trace or clip the chip leg to permanently disable the bluetooth. Lots of stuff to solve this. I would also suggest that you should be able to flick a switch or hold a button down on your logitech wireless volume button to turn off bluetooth function. If I remember correctly, a led changes colour when bluetooth is on. Mine is never on. Lots of ways to skin a cat....or so the saying goes.

@pandarachandran4972 Год назад

Thanks for all your great videos. I have a question about the bass shaker. I have exactly the same shaker in my cabinet but I use a Leepy 2.1 amplifier and I do not get any sounds out of the shaker. I cant even feel its vibrating.... Is it easy to hear and feel if the sharker works? I have checked everything serveral times, but cant figure out what is wrong. Only think I can think of, is if the do not match together frequenze wise, therefor im thinking of changeing to the same amp as you use.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

You're very welcome! Check that you dont have the frequency or volume turned off or too low. Check polarity of wires, check connections. Check voltage in and out. Check windows volume settings as sometimes a new volume is created and it might be off. Good luck!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Also if you have another amp or another base shaker, you can swap parts to prove out a bad part.

@pandarachandran4972 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench I have tried all above also change amp, but to same type Leepy. Is it easy to hear fell if the shaker is working? I think I need to try out the amp you got... I already wasted a lot of money on getting real pinball parts, but they are way too loud... so I removed them again :)

@dbbarret Год назад

@@pandarachandran4972 just setting my SSF up today. Yes, you can feel it. The one in front should shake when “adding a coin”

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yup, you can feel it like you're saying. Cheers!

@PerduesArcade 9 месяцев назад

What type of screws did you use to tighten everything down on the inside, like your exciters and stuff?

@wayofthewrench 9 месяцев назад

Just regular Robertson wood screws long enough to hold without breaking through the cabinet. Cheers!

@molarmedic Год назад

I would have moved the front bass shaker to the back a bit more. That way you could put a tray for quarters if you wanted to use the coin slots. Where you have it now, there isn't much room for quarter tray.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

I don't plan on putting real money in this cab, I'm probably closer to putting micro switches on the coin rejects for coin buttons. It would be really easy to make a custom coin box to still make it work. Thanks for the watch!

@txag007 Год назад

THE NEXT VIDEO IN THE SERIES!!! LET'S GO!!!!!!!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Let's do this! How'd you like it? Thanks for the watch!

@txag007 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Your whole series has been excellent! You have given me the confidence to tackle my own build in 2023. Thank you for the very thorough walkthrough and explinations!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

You're welcome...You start yet? Cheers!

@Urko2005 Год назад

Great video.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it dude!

@brucep383 9 дней назад

Thanks so much for this video. I have an issue whereby when I turn the volume up on my speakers / sub amplifier it cuts the sound and the pc crashes. Do you have any idea what this could be? The power to the amps is steady, the only thing I could guess is it's the soundcard, however I tried a new 7.1 surround sound card and it still happens! It occurs every time I bring it up to moderate volume. Thanks again!!

@wayofthewrench 9 дней назад

Are you using the same PSU for the computer and your amps? If so, you might be robbing power from the PC and causing it to shutdown. Hope that helps. Cheers!

@brucep383 8 дней назад

@@wayofthewrenchthanks for your reply. I'm afraid I'm not using the same psu - the pc one is separate and the amplifiers are powered by a separate 24v psu Both of those separate power supplies are however plugged into the same power strip extension lead. Any ideas? Any help is much appreciated!

@wayofthewrench 8 дней назад

You could try another known good psu or try another separate power source (extension cord) for just the amp psu to troubleshoot if its the power strip

@frezelfrez8333 4 месяца назад

So did you just set all the setting on the amps to 50% and leave it there? and do adjust all your music and exciters from pinvol on a per table basis?

@wayofthewrench 4 месяца назад

I adjusted my amp gains until they were causing false nudges and then backed off a little from there. Then I used Pinvol to do the fine tweaks. Hope that helps. Thanks for the watch!

@johnlaspisa2711 Год назад

Just finished my setup, it is awesome! Thank you so much for the video. I have two small issues though. First, I'm only getting the sides and front coming out of the external sound card. The backbox sound is still coming from the soundcard on the motherboard. Not a big deal, it's still working....but just wondering why. Second, I have a windows volume control knob on the side of my cabinet. It has no affect on the exciters at all. It's only affecting the backbox speakers. Any input on these situations would be greatly appreciated.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Is the backbox speakers plugged into the external sound card? In the correct port? As for volume changes, Pinvol is a program that lets you adjust the global volume and table volume for backbox music and exciters separately. Might wanna try that.

@johnlaspisa2711 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench when I plug the backbox speakers into the external, I get no sound. So, I plugged it in to the card on the motherboard just to see what would happen, and I was getting sound from it...

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Did you run the 7.1 wizard setup after you plugged it in the external sound card? Which port did you plug it into? Are you using the Startech one I used in the video?

@johnlaspisa2711 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench don't know exactly what I did but it is working correctly now. Additionally, the volume control knob is now working!

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Sometimes the pc needs to start up with cables connected to detect them and switch things over so maybe with it plugged back into the Startech, it did that. Glad you got it working! Cheers!

@martynstrange5174 9 месяцев назад

Regarding the Z407 Bluetooth speakers, do you have them connected via bluetooth or hard wired? Im assuming they are hard wired to the startech but you have the option of using bluetooth if you want to? It's the only bit I was slightly confused with. Thanks!

@wayofthewrench 9 месяцев назад

I have it plugged into the Startech sound card and have Bluetooth for when I want music playing from my phone. Thanks for the watch!

@MichaelSygo1 2 месяца назад

Have you ever gone into your Realtek settings and Increased your db settings for each speaker ir exciter individualy it even allows for hiw nany feet the speaker is away?

@wayofthewrench 2 месяца назад

Nope I have never. Just used the windows wizard and set it to 7.1 and it's been golden since. In fact my ssf setup is too loud, I have my Amos set to less than half for volume gains and pinvol brings some tables down even further. Thanks for the watch!

@snapap690 Год назад

Hello. Is there a way to achieve SSF on a arcade1up pinball machine without a pc, and spending 100s of dollars. I've seen a few guys adding bass shaker and small exciters, but sure seems to be alot of splicing and other crap going on. Also heard about the HDMI audio extractor route. Now you're probably going to say, well you just answered your own question.? Just want to get something figured out to turn this ho hum machine in to a kick ass machine

@wayofthewrench Год назад

I'll be honest, I haven't messed around with an Arcade 1up pinball. Where I am in Canada, they don't even sell them or have them in the stores. As for whether you should spend a $100 on ssf, you should totally do it. My exciters, base shakers, amps, and external sound card work great. Now as for whether you have some components in the arcade 1up, I'm not sure. I think a lot of the components used in those arcade 1 ups are not the best so an upgrade to what you need might be in order. Wish I could be more help. Cheers!

@CuddaBrown Год назад

booyah!!! Sweet build my man..

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Thanks! Yeah it's turning out nice. Wait till you see the dof controlled leds! Thanks for the watch!

@CuddaBrown Год назад

@@wayofthewrench ahhhhh man.. don't hurt nobody

@wayofthewrench Год назад

....no promises.

@CuddaBrown Год назад

@@wayofthewrench i can dig it...

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Did you get a chance to see the dof lights in action yet? Video's up dude!

@rsb3609 7 месяцев назад

Could we use normal speakers with the membrane taken,for the sides of the cab;to emulate the pinball rolling sounds?.

@wayofthewrench 7 месяцев назад

No, I wouldn't. Those speakers are meant to push sound waves, not vibrate the surface. You'll have sound quality issues (muffled). Exciters are not that expensive and well worth it. I think everything was $150 for my ssf. Thanks for the watch!

@rsb3609 7 месяцев назад

@@wayofthewrench Yeah they sound great....but not in my budget,will definitely add some later on.Thanks for the videos and all the editing required to make it look seam less.

@wayofthewrench 7 месяцев назад

You could skip the base shakers for now and just run the 4 exciters and go from there....add the base shakers later if ya wanted to.

@Krondorf. Год назад

So with the negative wire, you can have 12v AND 5v devices etc going to the same ground block? Or each voltage needs it's own negative block?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

All negatives go to one ground common terminal block. The positives should have their own terminal blocks for each voltage. Thanks for the watch!

@robe4314 Год назад

Would you say SSF is sufficient and negates the need for solenoids or do you prefer both?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

A well tuned and with good parts, a ssf system is amazing and I would say you don't need it. Plus if you still wanted solenoids, you will want ssf anyways for ball rolling sounds ,etc. Thanks for the watch!

@sam27753 Год назад

Suggestion for your next project: RPI2DMD . If you not know, this will the perfect complement for your Gameroom ;-) Thank you my Vpin is almost finished, a old Arcadecab waits for ressurection with a Raspberry Pi and Parts for the Rpi2dmd are ordered *lol*

@wayofthewrench Год назад

I'll have to look into that. Could make an interesting video. My arcade cabinet has a 28" lg ultrawide monitor for its marquee and I'm really happy with it.

@sam27753 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Your Top Marquee Monitor, i saw that ;-) also a thing I would add to my arcade Cab. But the RPI2DMD is a clock / weather station / Arcade & Pinball Animation "Player" Awesome project #eyecandy

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Oh cool. yeah there's lots of that IOT now a days on the net. Too many cool things and not enough money/time. Cheers!

@thepacketnarc7634 Год назад

Most of these issues boil down to exclusive access to the device. If you go into control panel again, or hit windows key and type ‘change system sounds’…and go to the audio device, in this case the star tech device, then click on it and click properties, go to the advanced tab, At the bottom there’s a setting in a checkbox called ‘allow exclusive access to this device’…. Uncheck that. What that setting does is that when any audio app access that device , it will ‘lock’ other devices from accessing it. So, for instance if windows sends desktop sounds and then at some point the VPX app tries to send audio, it sometimes can cause issues when windows doesn’t release the device like it should. Disabling exclusive access fixes this issue for 90% of issues where ‘my audio just went away’

@wayofthewrench Год назад

That's a great tip to know about. If I ever have any issues, I'll look into that. Thanks for the tip and the watch!

@Ryan-hw7ow Год назад

Would silicone or something not as flexible be better for the mounting method? Does it even matter?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

I would buy the exciters that screw on and unless you have a plastic rattling sound, don't put anything else on. My system sounds awesome and very loud, it is so good, I had to turn it down about 50%. Thanks for the watch!

@sailingsvzara 11 месяцев назад

I noticed you included Subwoofer when you were configuring your sound card, but when you plug into the card, you didn't plug into the subwoofer channel. I think your subwoofer is plugged into your front 2.1 channel, right? When you clicked on Subwoofer, no sound came out. Did you configure something later to get the subwoofer channel to respond? Or did you later hook up a PA to the subwoofer channel? I don't have a subwoofer yet but am planning to get one and just wanted to understand where I connect it?

@wayofthewrench 11 месяцев назад

My subs do work but I think I had my sub frequency turn down or off. Those amps send the frequency cut off to the subs or to the exciters depending on where the knob is at. Thanks for the watch!

@sailingsvzara 11 месяцев назад

@@wayofthewrenchim talking about your subwoofer not your bass shaker. I saw you connected the base shaker to power amps which has frequency adjustment but what about that big sub in your cab. Where is that connected to? Is it passive or active? I didn't see a PA for your backbox.

@wayofthewrench 11 месяцев назад

Oh that's easy, the speakers plug into the sub box and there is a 3.5mm audio jack that plugs into the external soundcard.

@sailingsvzara 11 месяцев назад

@@wayofthewrenchAh, I see. So your sub and backbox speakers are powered speakers and don't need an amp. So, your R-L speakers in the backbox plug into Front 2.1 port, and the sub plugs into Center/Bass port on the sound card?

@wayofthewrench 11 месяцев назад

Yup you got it. Now if it's plugged into the center/bass port, you'll have to look in the video as I can't remember off of the top of my head. Cheers!

@minitrucker68 Год назад

I don’t think I would use silicone to secure the speakers but maybe an aerosol adhesive as I feel the silicone may make a flexible pad between the shaker and cab? Maybe not just my thought as the spray is a very thin layer

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yeah I hear yeah, maybe some 3M spray adhesive or construction caulking like Tough as nails. Either way, these exciters hit hard so even a little thin layer of silicone would probably work. I only have my amps turned up halfway and they are crazy loud. Thanks for the watch!

@bonicb11b3 Год назад

@@wayofthewrench be interested to see if the silicone makes any difference

@wayofthewrench Год назад

I doubt it, these exciters pound though. Even if the silicone dulled them a bit, they are currently turned down to less than half power. Cheers!

@mrmattman68 Год назад

So I have a question.....I noticed you are using a logitech 2.1 speaker system but choose sub in the sound settings but the sub doesn't plug into the sub port on the startech unit correct? and it didn't produce a sound when prompted from the windows setting window. since the base is controlled from the logitech speaker system shouldn't it be set to no sub so the full sound range is sent to the logitech speakers? I am looking at the klipsh 2.1 setup but am trying to understand how the sub is handled since its an intergrated speaker system (meaning the crossover is built into the sub).

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yeah I noticed that when I set up the 7.1 too but when I checked the Logitech 2.1 still has base from the subwoofer. It seems like the .1 for all channels are reserved for the base frequencies for each channel. Thanks for the watch!

@lkamons2 9 месяцев назад

I am a little confused. 7.1 is 7 speakers and 1 sub woofer. in the front you have 2 exciters and 1 little sub woofer, in the back you have 2 exciters and 1 little sub woofer and on the back box you have 2 speakers and the 1 big sub woofer. Isn't that a total of 9? Do you see my confusion? From an amp perspective you plugged in the front and the back exciters and the little sub woofers. Where did you plug in the back box speakers and big sub woofer. THANKS

@wayofthewrench 9 месяцев назад

It's not actually 7.1 as the ROM music comes from the 2.1 Logitech speakers and the 4 exciters and 2 base shakers are only for the playfield ssf. The 2.1 amps simply separate the bass frequencies to go to the bass shakers. The 7.1 Startech is simply the input channels for all of these, not true 7.1. Hopefully that helps. Cheers!

@justimagine2403 Год назад

Yes I love this too but I got to the point where I have to upgrade A LOT to get to that next level. I just realized the sound card issue. Ugh.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

You'll figure it out. Best $150 you'll ever spend! Thanks for the watch!

@echodun Год назад

Can you tell me the type of DC Power Supply you ended up purchasing for the speakers? A link would be helpful.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Sure! I used an old atx power supply from an old computer, O think it was a 500 Watt one but the power supply video would show you for sure. Thanks for the watch!

@gronith Год назад

I was going to make a vpin controller with an arcade stick board in a platsic conduit box. I am thinking of placing a bone conduction speaker inside for some ssf. Do you think this is possible. The speaker would be bluetooth. Cant find a 3.5mm jack one. I think this may work? Or am I out to lunch and should just put 2 exciters in it?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Hard to say Grant. I'm very happy with my ssf setup. So much so I probably won't be adding solenoids. Thanks for the watch!

@martyjohnston700 Год назад

Would a 'Ground Loop Isolator ', not be needed for the Amplifier, if the Earth (Not the Negative -) of all power supplies were linked.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

They might not be needed but you can always try it without and if you're having noise/feedback....put one in. They are really quite cheap so I just installed them in case. Thanks for the watch!

@boogonl Год назад

First of all the videos are amazing, THANK you for that !! !! I have one problem that I am not able to tackle so far. I have it all working but windows 11 keeps setting the sound settings back from 7.1 to stereo after startup or reboot. anybody an idea how to solve this ? seems to be a "common" problem but i was not able to find the solution so far.. I run the lastest drivervs from startech. NO errrors, all works fine but.... after a reboot window sets the 7.1 back to stereo.. any help would be appreciated ! thanks !

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Hrmm not sure but for your own knowledge, I don't run any startech drivers, just the auto windows ones for an audio usb device. I have never lost my 7.1 ssf setup. Maybe try without the drivers?

@boogonl Год назад

@@wayofthewrench Yes tried that as well but than also windows keep setting the 7.1 setting back to stereo after a reboot. Tried all possible options but windows keeps setting 7.1 back to stereo settings after a reboot. I have read about it as much as i could but it seems to be a "common" problem and really nobody has the solution...

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Hrrmm that's a weird one and I can see how frustrating that could be. I'll keep my eyes posted for anything that I find about this. Cheers!

@johnlaspisa2711 Год назад

Question: If I have a 4 ohm amp, I should buy 4 ohm exciters right? I'm thinking about getting two 4 ohm amps to run two 4 ohm exciters each. Thanks.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Yeah generally you want to match the impedance but I also look at the rms rating of the speakers/exciters and make sure the amp can provide the same or even a little more so the amp is not under powered. Thanks for the watch!

@Gre_X_by Год назад

Hi, just wondering what's about games like PinballFx or any other if the sound connections are actually "upside down" front is the back, back is the front etc. The sound/music from any other game is played by the exciters on the front instead of the main speakers?

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Not sure as I haven't played with Fx3 yet but eventually I will do a video on Fx3 and all the stuff that goes with it. I'm sure there are settings to change to make it work, perhaps in doflinks? Thanks for the watch!

@TheNefariousFox Год назад

One thing to note, When you select "full range" Windows is a jerk and doesn't play the subwoofer when those speakers fire. To make matters worse, if you tell Windows that you don't want them to be full range, there is a non-zero chance that the subwoofer will still not fire, and you'll have to find a way to use the driver software to force the sub to always fire. This is not always a problem, and some game software circumvents it, but you should definitely check to make sure it's firing properly.

@wayofthewrench Год назад

Good info, I'll look into this! I did check whether my sub for the backbox works and it does though. Thanks for the info and the watch! Cheers!