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Sven Donat polska - Baroque VS Swedish Folk Music 

Emelie Waldken
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Swedish folk music pretends that all instruments are bagpipes while baroque music needs to breathe a lot. Let's explore the similarities and differences between those two with lots of tips !
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Donats Glömda, polska från Småland efter Sven Donat nr MA5-118
0:01 Playthrough
1:01 Swedish folk VS baroque
2:44 Tune name & Sven Donat
6:30 Part A
6:55 Part A slow
7:31 Double-stops A
11:02 Ornaments baroque VS folk
17:02 Part B
17:33 Part B slow
18:31 Double-stops B
19:07 Lifting the bow or not
21:36 Phrasing
26:11 Your tips & Patreon
I'm Emelie Waldken, I play fiddle, nyckelharpa, cello and I teach Scandinavian folk music and dance.
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Baroque violin bow by Stråkstudion (The Bow Studio) in Gävle, Sweden.
Woven headband, velvet coat, skirt & woven belt by me, all the rest thrifted.
Recorded July 2023 in Uppland, Sweden.
If you read this until here, you can comment which of these cakes is your favourite : carrot cake or blueberry pie. I personally can't choose.
#folkmusic #nordicfolk #baroquemusic

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Комментарии : 73   
@nordicsoundchannel
@nordicsoundchannel Год назад
With the Baroque and Renaissance era also came the secularization of music throughout Europe. Farmers and other workers had more opportunities to overhear melodies and styles by composers abroad, go home, and try to replicate it on their fiddles. Also protestantism incorporating colloquial melodies and native languages into church services created a recurring communal event where everyone would be inadvertently practicing and recreating these tunes together, solidifying them as local culture. Thanks for this video Emilie :)
@JustFiddler
@JustFiddler Год назад
matur suksma untuk infonya
@m0rvidusm0rvidus18
@m0rvidusm0rvidus18 Год назад
Yeah, and the other side of the secularization of music is the control of it by commercial powers which ultimately lead to West European traditional music basically being wiped out by pop music pumped out of America, which then mutated into some of the most degenerate 'music' ever seen replacing everything (rap, hiphop etc.). So it's not the utopia 'liberal humanists' like to make out. There's a reason some rapper gets 2 million views on a new 'song' in the Anglosphere and the average modern English person doesn't even know what their own music sounded like.
@M_SC
@M_SC Год назад
@@m0rvidusm0rvidus18don’t colonise Africa if you don’t want their music influencing yours then
@M_SC
@M_SC Год назад
Can there be some sort of evidence for the first comment? Because It sounds absurd to say that folk music didn’t exist before Christianity and how could music at home and in the village centre have always been religious music, you think it didn’t exist because it wasn’t written down? Monk were the only literate ones and they wrote down religious music, that makes sense, the idea that non religious music didn’t exist for 1200 years doesn’t
@nordicsoundchannel
@nordicsoundchannel Год назад
@@M_SC Is anyone claiming music didn't exist before monks wrote it down? That would be absurd, but I'm not seeing that on my end. You may be confusing music made by people with the term "folk music". "Folk music" is a specific genre/style label given to music made by peasants - this term was fashioned by nationalist ideologues and political theorists of the 18th century like Herder who believed the true essence of a nation was found in the expression of the "folk". Thus, folk music became a way to cultivate a music style bred specifically out of peasant cultures from the 18th century onwards. When Emilie talks about Swedish folk music, she's not talking about general music made by swedish people since time began, but rather this swedish folk "tradition" which has been self-consciously cultivated over the last few centuries. Of course, the idea of what folk music is has developed a lot since Herder, but if we're talking about "traditional swedish music", we are explicitly talking about a music style cultivated from the 1700s onward, rather than general music made in Sweden back to the stone age. If you *do* want to talk about ancient music of Scandinavia, you're in luck - that's quite literally my field of expertise as an ethnomusicologist ;)
@arfyf6314
@arfyf6314 Месяц назад
Absolutely fascinating, thank you. And brilliant English! ❤👍🎻
@swlbarely
@swlbarely 10 месяцев назад
You play so beautifully. Thank you for sharing your musical historical knowledge too. It is very interesting how many connections there are in the different types of music.
@javi9038
@javi9038 Год назад
Toco la guitarra criolla, pero soy un aficionado. Eres una excelente maestra, entendi perfectamente la diferencia entre folklórico y barroco. Feliz por el crecimiento de tu canal.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Gracias !
@olofjansson9356
@olofjansson9356 Год назад
Stort tack för denna mycket informativa video!!! Måste titta några gånger för att absorbera allt!
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Varsågod ! Haha japp jag kondenserade MYCKET ^^
@rolandlorenzen8561
@rolandlorenzen8561 Год назад
I prefer the swedish Folk cake and will immediatly take a bit. Thank you for the nice tune! I will learn to play this one on fiddle and mandolin....
@samolsvensen
@samolsvensen Год назад
This is so good! Going to play folk style on my fiddle and bouzouki. Thank for this amazing video!
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Thank you, glad you found it useful !
@pqsnet
@pqsnet 8 месяцев назад
Funny i have never really thought of it as Baroque. I have played this melody many times both in Gille and Folkdance group and pictured 1800's fancy dressed people dancing pompus with a lot of bowing and armgestures. Come to think about it, so called "slängpolska" a polska played with a regular beat but irregular bow-strokes sound a lot like baroque music. But you really gave the touch of sound in this video for it.
@pqsnet
@pqsnet 8 месяцев назад
Also funny that i automatically lift my bow as in the Baroque style in especially slängpolskor such as Donats and 1814 but with a Folkmusic style-tempo. I have no idea why, it just want to be in the air at certain points in the melodies f.i right in between a end of a section and the early phrase. It gives the melody identity and even an extra beat, tempo push imo. And i think i got my answer in this video.
@Otri86
@Otri86 Год назад
Dankeschön 😊 das wird mein nächstes Lied auf der Fiddel 😊 auf Tagelharpa werde ich es auch probieren.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Oooh ich will gerne es auf Tagelharpa hören !
@rohwermusicstudios
@rohwermusicstudios Год назад
I’m very excited to go over this again and think about baroque vs. folk.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Glad to hear =)
@Thetarget1
@Thetarget1 Год назад
Your comments about not lifting the bow, keeping a constant sound, using drones and playing as loud as you can, reminds me of some recordings I heard from one of my friends, who spent the 70´s bicycling around Himmerland and Vendsyssel in northern Denmark and recording the old "spillemænd" (folk musicians). Especially a recording of Fredskov Iversen, who was a fiddler, and was taught by his grandfather, who in turn was taught by the legendary Svenske Niels, who was an immigrant from Skåne, who lived in Northern Jutland and composed many tunes. In these recordings it´s very clear that he tries to maximise the sound produced by his violin, and is constantly using more strings and playing in an almost rough manner. It´s a sound which is rarer now in modern Danish folk music, maybe because people play in ensembles or with amplification now. Back then, a musician was expected to play for a whole nights ball all by himself, projecting the sound all the way through a barn.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Exactly ! Thanks for sharing that story of your friends, it's super interesting and yes, illustrates very well how things were for musicians before amplification !
@rec2you
@rec2you 5 месяцев назад
Thank you! Now i now what i will do today ! 😀
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken 5 месяцев назад
Have fun =)
@kmscheid3303
@kmscheid3303 Год назад
I'm just learning viola, and playing with a group that is primarily Baroque. This explanation of ornaments is fascinating. Thanks!
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Ornaments are such a delight to nerd about, glad to help =)
@realist8977
@realist8977 Год назад
​@@EmelieWaldkenI am from Germany. In 2015 I made a little round trip though the middle of Sweden. At "Gämla Linköping" I met some folk musicians one of them was Emma Hardelin from the Band "Triakel" and also "Garmarna". We had a good time there and sang the german song "Muss i denn zum Städtele hinaus" 😉👍. Im looking forward to hear more Folk-Musik at this channel.
@kabalder
@kabalder Год назад
Fint foredrag! Hadde lett kommet til et auditorium for å høre på sånt. I play guitar, but I chose a similar, tentative, way to specify the difference between the baroque tunes intended for performance in a court, and a baroque tune intended for a street-performance. Because there are a lot of hints, at least sometimes, to that a lot of the baroque music, even after Bach -- that we have later come to think was completely separate from any kind of folk or street performance -- actually is just joined at the hip. It's as transparent that the Chittarone, that Kapsberger writes and plays beautiful renaissance-music on, intended for royalty and pomp -- is actually the same instrument as the Theorbo, the "vulgar" Turkish-inspired tavern and street instrument. Meaning that although modern classical musicians often treat baroque music as if it is flat and ornamental-less, only based on phrasing, with the resting notes having a scientific fractional relationship to the note-values and so on - the relationship between the street and the court is obviously a lot closer than that approach would give you. So it's interesting to hear another perspective on this that points out why this is more of a sliding transition between the one and the other, or a slang variant of the same language - than it is a different discipline or type of music altogether.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Loving your view on that, thanks for writing all this ! I agree a lot about the fact that court music and street/popular music were often way closer than we nowadays think them. Also each has borrowed from the other countless times (all these baroque pieces called "giga" or "sarabanda" and also the "fandango" in classical ballet and such... it's all from folk music !)
@Stibsyt
@Stibsyt Год назад
I'm sure I heard/read somewhere that Johann Hedin 'forgot' this tune but remembered it - it's on the Live Concert In Paris record with Erik Pekkari and Pelle Bjornlert - and that's maybe how it got the name...? Wonderful video and such a lovely tune 🙂
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Haaaa that could well be the origin of the name ! Thanks for the anecdote !
@PadmeP
@PadmeP Год назад
Carrot definately (as long as there are no raisens) but then I don't eat fruit so it's an easy choice for me.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Carrot cake is great !
@trollehast1413
@trollehast1413 7 дней назад
I've heard Johan Hedin take credit for the name quite a few times!
@Jesuswinsbirdofmichigan
@Jesuswinsbirdofmichigan Год назад
@26:16- Superb quality education for both, "Artists, & Non-,Musicians' (myself the later)"! 5⭐. ⚠️@ 02:39-02:44 (text on-screen displayed; [time]) is too-short to read/ by those with vision limitations. Please in future- allow on-screen texts to display for 7 seconds ⏯️
@alexardov
@alexardov Год назад
I really loved this video: very informative and fun to watch.🎉❤ I'm always try to figure out ways to translate ornamentations to the English concertina or the very recently bought button dragspel. Do you have any idea? I know you're not a fan of squeeze boxes, though. 😅
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
I guess the bowing techniques would be done mostly with the push-and-pull, while the fingers' ornaments would be done, well, with fingers on your instruments too =) (the Swedish trill is definitely doable !)
@tealelove7900
@tealelove7900 Год назад
Interesting. I am primarily an Irish style fiddler. I am learning Swedish tunes on my Nyckleharpa. I can't help but twist the Swedish tunes toward celtic. I do so enjoy the way folk music evolves with each player. The dynamic of bow pressure and speed. Ornamentation. I miss being able to slide up or down the fingerboard on the Nyckleharpa like on a violin. As well as "baring" a chord across multiple strings with one finger. Thank you for your insights and technique demonstration.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
I really like the fact that musicians have "accents" in their playing, just as one has in a learned language =) You might have a Celtic "accent" when playing Swedish tunes... I have a Swedish "accent" when I try to play Celtic tunes ^^
@nocturne7371
@nocturne7371 11 месяцев назад
As a Swede I am always amazed when people that does not live in Sweden either learn to speak Swedish or learn to play Nyckelharpa.
@tealelove7900
@tealelove7900 11 месяцев назад
@nocturne7371 hmm. I love my nyckelharpa. I love the sound, the action of the keys. I am an anomaly where I live. I played for the public 2 days at a local art and music fair. Only one person knew what instrument i was playing.
@ImmersedInHistory
@ImmersedInHistory 10 месяцев назад
118 sure rocks :D
@ZengHuaXiansheng
@ZengHuaXiansheng Год назад
Very interesting video! I like how you showed the differences between baroque and folk music. I have a rather classical and Irish kind of musical background (though I’m not Irish but I really like Irish music) and I play the piano and the tin and low whistle. This is why I’d probably add Irish ornaments even to a Swedish tune but only because I’m more used to the Irish style. I probably should watch your ornament video which I will do. Keeping the melody going on the piano is possible by using the pedal I think though it’s rather a percussive instrument in that sense. On the Irish whistles it’s not that easy because I would probably have to create a continuous air stream by applying circular breathing which I never tried so far. But I heard that there are also similar instruments in Sweden. Do you know how it works with these? That would be very interesting.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Thank you for the lovely and in-depth comment ! I can relate to what you say about habits we have for playing some specific ornaments - I personally tend to play Swedish ornaments in Irish and Scottish tunes, oops ;) Yes there are folk flutes in Sweden too ! We have limited sources about HOW they were played though, so a lot of today's style is formed of educated guesses and inspiration from adjacent styles. One big difference between the Swedish folk flutes and the baroque/classical recorders is the sound of the instrument itself : the folk flutes have a lot more "air" in their sound and they project less and less clearly than the recorders. The texture of the sound is very different. Then the ornaments are also very specific, for example there is a lot of attack in each breathing. Many fiddle ornaments can also be played (or adapted) to flutes.
@ZengHuaXiansheng
@ZengHuaXiansheng Год назад
@@EmelieWaldken Thanks a lot for your reply! 😊 Yes, I totally agree to the breathiness of the folk flutes, that also applies to Irish whistles. I guess that the Irish ornaments originally come from playing bagpipes. You can’t interrupt the sound after every note on the bagpipes so you have to play kind of a staccato note to separate two or more notes that are repeated. I guess that these staccato notes developed into the ornaments over time. But that’s only my guess and I’m not sure about it.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
@@ZengHuaXiansheng It's definitely one of the sources for flute ornaments, for sure. Probably not for all the ornaments though. Even on fiddle, when one plays Scottish music for example, some traditional ornaments are inspired from the bagpipes.
@HaileISela
@HaileISela Год назад
for reference, one of those swedish spelpipor that has gained some popularity (and is not just beautiful but enormous fun to play) is the härjedalspipa. wouldn't want to live without mine. and that's coming from a bagpiper (playing both french and swedish pipes)
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
@@HaileISela It's one of the most well-known, yes, and its traditional repertoire is AWESOME !
@svisvisvisvisvi
@svisvisvisvisvi Год назад
Great video and tips as always and fun with the outfits! I immediately thought of Lisa Rydberg and Gunnar Idenstam's album 'Bach på Svenska'. Have you heard it?
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Thank you ! I have listened to bits of it, but I should definitely give it more time !
@svisvisvisvisvi
@svisvisvisvisvi Год назад
@@EmelieWaldken Nice one! I will too. And I'll try out this polska on my recorder in both styles and see what works best. It could be fun to start in one and then slip into the other - a little Baroque interlude in the middle of an otherwise folk rendition, perhaps?
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
@@svisvisvisvisvi Oh I didn't think about slowly sliding from one to the other but it should be a lot of fun ! Or yes, using a different style as a variation in the middle.
@rumeunner3245
@rumeunner3245 Год назад
Nice sakpipa sound
@NtaGot
@NtaGot Год назад
you can also do a video baroque vs cretan music
@lukaskamin755
@lukaskamin755 11 месяцев назад
I first thought it was polka. What I am also wondering, if it has any connection to Poland, or what is the origin of the name, because for a Slavic ear it sounds exactly like "Polish"
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken 11 месяцев назад
It IS from the word "Polish" =) This type of tune (and the dance going with it) has also be called "polonaise" - so "Polish", but in French ^^
@lukaskamin755
@lukaskamin755 11 месяцев назад
@@EmelieWaldken Ah so? Actually I was thinking of polonaise, was just curious how this word got into Swedish almost unchanged (I guess in Polish it is written exactly so)
@seriksson9721
@seriksson9721 Год назад
Nice. Thanks. Several of Eric Sahlström's songs were clearly influenced by classical music. My opinion, which of course could be wrong... Nice channel
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Of course they were ! As many other tunes too (a quick glance at Hälsingland repertoire shows the baroque influence well). Styles of music have influenced each other all the time =)
@seriksson9721
@seriksson9721 Год назад
@@EmelieWaldken True. Thanks again.
@HieronymusHertogenBosch
@HieronymusHertogenBosch Год назад
Ik wou dat ik het kon! Blokfluit spelen lukt no wel
@ReeseEugenio
@ReeseEugenio Год назад
Hi! Is there anywhere we could contact you about potentially playing on our concept album?
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
www.emeliewaldken.net/contact.html
@dominiclapinta8537
@dominiclapinta8537 Год назад
The difference is that, back in the 1700's, people were so baroque, they started lutting in the streets
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
Precisely
@erikhiltunen4697
@erikhiltunen4697 Год назад
Always be yourself. Unless you can be bagpipe. Always be bagpipe.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
bagpipebagpipebagpipe Gå tut, du !
@DocRossi
@DocRossi Год назад
No way I can choose between carrot cake or blueberry pie.
@EmelieWaldken
@EmelieWaldken Год назад
The struggle is real. Both is good !
@Gongchime
@Gongchime Год назад
Vikings!!!!
@urbankotto9685
@urbankotto9685 Месяц назад
2 set violin.SEE this.
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