SW20 MK2 MR2 RACECAR - What's It Like To Drive? ON TRACK 

At the end of the video you see he's gonna buy one now. It's the pop up headlights. Once you've had them, you have to have them.

From now on every time someone thinks im being rude ‘curtesy causes confusion’ words to live by right there

I have a Mk3 with 3sgte. Handeling of the Mk3, power of the Mk2. This fusion is legendary

I need to say thanks for all the text you always do, talking us through the video and how things feel etc, really nice to watch bro 👊👊👊

I think the MK2 is a very nice car one of the nicest/Funniest on Nordschleife(that I drove) ,its now 10 years ago that we drove the mk2 over the nordschilfe it's good to hear that engine sound again nice that you can drive test different cars and make a nice video's thank you!

Wow so you've finally tried a real MR2. Sincerely yours, An average Gran Turismo enjoyer.

Cheers Dan, interesting stuff. Intrigued to see how the Rogue mk3 compares.

Great vid dude, loved it

Seen a cheeky 205 in same pit, that be fun drive for you 👏👍🏻

Cooking around there in the mk2 lad! Bang on this content. Interested to see how rouges mk3 compares 👍

Traffic like Touristenfahrten @ Nürburgring, whoa Good to see you having fun!

Great episode really enjoyed it, former 2zz roadster owner here, keep up the good work

Really enjoyed that. I’ve been curious about the differences in driving the Mk3 vs. The Mk2 for ages.

Great video as always, would be really cool to see the video on there mk3 and to hear your thoughts in comparison to your own

i think the more understeery behaviour of it comes from the stggered tires, the longer wheelbase and probably something with the setup. it beeing a rental, theyve probably dialed in a more stable understeery handling so the cars wont get trown away as easy by thier customers? be interesting to see how thier mk3 compares to yours now.

Good video this. I had a Rev 5, loved it as a road car - it was very, very comfortable, good brakes, the 3SGE is a great sounding 4 pot, and I thought it was a very approachable, easy car to drive quickly. Mine had the factory LSD and had great traction. But then, mine was setup with good tyres, Bilsteins, sensible ride height etc, I only have to presume the 'death machine' thing is because back when they were common it was pretty much the only affordable mid engined car in existence, and people just drove them like tits with crap tyre and no springs. I still went back to MX-5s though!

Danny... Talking about mk3 brake locking up! I just remember 1 thing u need to check if your mk3 brake booster have 1way check valve attached to the big booster vaccum hose (to intake manifold) If your mk3 got that 1eay valve, ditch that valve while keeping stock booster... U will have better brake modulation without the 1way valve... (Or check valve) I guarantee u on this brake fix for your spyder

Theres definately alot to be said for general geometry fella. My car was horrible once but got better over the years of advice & experimenting but when i have it right its as good as any out there. But there are limits for us and thats why you Mk3 boys are always battling hard with us. As you have said lap times are same and speeds are same. Looking forward to your mk3 V Rogue mk3 comparison, you may just need to get their setup.

Another great vid, I predict that the Mk3 will feel very different to Dan's racecar too.

Can’t wait to see the new MK2! 😂👍

*Must admit I always liked the MK2 better and who doesn't love a pop up headlight? Cool rating of over 1000 Megafonzies!*

The reputation for snap oversteer.... Ponte New College, year 2000... some guys dad (18, 1st car) bought him a JDM mk2 Turbo, he put it down the side of one of the buses leaving the car park.... it made a bit of a bang!

Danny DC2 good car status for the mk2 mr2, prices go up worse than they already are 😆 looking forward to part 2 to see is the rogue mk3 is similar or different to yours.

Awh man now I'm motivated to finish mine knowing how well you think of it

Your description of the drive sound very similar to my MK1. I was at Donington the other day after a big round of suspension changes and now I have something that's totally confident over bumps, has what feels like unlimited turn in but you need to set it up right otherwise it'll push wide on power after the apex Yes it felt like it was killing the left front tyre but by the end of the day it still looked fine and it was a pleasure to drive home I've racked my brain to work out how to dial out the power on understeer after the apex but truth be told it could be driver error or even pressures.. so rather than obsess over modifications I'll focus on driving Can't help thinking I want upgraded arbs now as the spring rate isn't particularly high and it does have lean

People swap 2GR-FE V6's with TRD superchargers in these things. You pretty much have a budget Lotus Exige/Evora afterwards.

Very interesting to see the difference, maybe test their mk3 to check it's set up. The layout of the car obviously makes a big difference to the handling, centre of gravity ect. Do they have mk1's in the line up? Either way the MK2 is a way better looking car. Excellent video 👍👍

You need to get a Boyo tries windscreen decal for the mr2

What!? DannyDC2 is evolving!!!! DannyDC2 evolved into DannyMR2!

Nice test comparison, curious what you think of their MK3.

There's a reason people who have owned an sw20 ALWAYS come back to them. I've owned roadsters alongside my SW's but never could i own a roadster alone. The mk2 is such an involving and eventful drive that as soon as you don't have one you want one again. Mine is currently laid up with head gasket gone but i cannot wait to have it back on the road.

Great video, so interesting to get a comparison. Would love to know if there is a time difference in the laps

Car is clearly setup for understeer. Keeps the car stable and less likely to loose time over a lap then a car with over steer which can cause lost by time fighting the car to keep it on the track facing the right way.

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Interesting it's so much more stable. The steering box looks to be slower to me which must tone it down, there's a lot more wheel angle going on, but I wonder if the understeer and stability is courtesy of Rogue's suspension setup and alignment - they don't want any old pleb turning up and backing their car into the scenery after all. Very interested to see the mk3 video.

I've never driven an MR2, but I find a lot of older performance cars are easier to drive myself, like you said, you feel everything more. Newer cars with light steering and a million computers controlling everything for you have a certain numb feeling.

Jus 1 min in and lovin the vid 👍👍

Your square setup and stuff rear sway bar is what makes it so likely to oversteer.

Did you have a stint in the mk3 to compare how that is to your own? Interesting video, quite surprising how they are so different.

Mk2 is definitely the best mr2!!!! 👌

I reckon it's all in the setup. They know what they're doing at Rogue.

Had a few really involving cars, modern cars just do not do that and the 3sge makes a lovely noise.

You should try an sw20 with a torsen in, and maybe some 205 fronts! Brings a bit of oversteer edge back into the equation, but trading spinning insides for corner exit punch is 10/10

Dan, SW20 MR2 with any K series Honda engine of your choice and any mods of your choice. OR, an S2 Exige 240 cup bone stock. What would appeal to you more (forget about the money, just hypothetically)

Maybe setup is better? I used to have a mk2 turbo. My MR2 had all kinds of issues including gears that grind. Maybe time for you to switch cars. Mk2 is cooler in every way.

The standard road cars are totally different characters too. The Mk2 feels more like a sporty GT in a lot of ways in standard form. I suppose those characters stick with the changes made for the championship spec. I much prefer the old 3SGE to the 1ZZ as well, power delivery differences aside its just a far more characterful engine. 3SGE proved very reliable for me as well over ~100k miles on the road. Its turbo counterpart not so much 😂 Unsurprisingly the Rogue car is very well set up - I'd be curious as to what geometry its running front and rear as there are physical differences with Rev1 (90-91) and Rev2-5 (1992-1999) and the parts are interchangable. I know a couple of hill climb guys and some circuit people in the US swear by the Rev1 rear setup, which is a bit more bitey. They're all running in regulations that allow for modifications though so I've no idea how they compare in something more restricted like the MR2 Championship. Did you drive their Mk3 in the end as well? If so looking forward to the next one!

this looks like a late revision, the earlier revisions (1+2) had more aggressive suspension (less understeer more oversteer) and was arguably better

P.S. need to hear your thoughts on a mk1 now too

Nice video, but why did you go with the stock wheels, they are very narrow compared to a aftermarket stagered set of wheels

Take a shot every time he says 'Mark 2' PS. Loving the content Danny

No seen if you've done a breakdown here but reading your points at 15;52 I'd agree -Mk3 front grips much better, more of a "gokart feel", mk2 feels more "wafty", more torque more power more weight, harder to slow down, less chuckable -from watching your footage, far far less countersteer in the mk2, assume due to much more understeer on mk2 than MK3 -seems odd your MK3 has such worse breaking than mk2 -would be really interesting to see a side by side on the same track in both cars, guarantee your steering inputs would be far more frantic in mk3

Seems you hint a different opinion on the mk3? In the next post.

That makes your MK3 look incredibly stressful to drive!

Is there info regarding the suspension mods on this car?

Looks you should buy an mk2!

What was done to the car suspension wise? Appart from coilovers I mean. Geomentry rca adjuscters maybe?

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So I couldn’t tell if you enjoyed it or not lol. I take it the MK2 is a more expensive build!?

How much is the easier handling down to Patrick’s setup do you think?

So my theorie is as you said its confidence inspiring so people brake less and less and try to enter corner lifting off so they dont understeer but then the snap oversteer happens?

so weird to have understeer like that, there must be some setup going on there

Do it

Have you bought one yet?? 😉 it looked so much more composed!

Is the car not just set up to understeer? (Stiffer at front and tyre pressures) So everyone doesn't bin their car? 😂 I did that for a while after I binned mine to get confidence back up

I bet its setup to understeer with it being a rental car, engine wise it sounds like a meatier throatier version of the lump in yours.

Theres a nice track mk2 up for sale currently 👀👀

Will we see you in a MK2 MR2 next season?

Looking at Insta it looks like you have another mk3 so I would assume the the rougue mk3 is better still than the mk2 you drive here? Is your mk3 proper munted or something? Do we have to wait till the next video to find out?

Danny let's make one thing clear Toyota built stronger cars in the 90s and that's a fact. 3sge engine Are good strong reliable engine rev3 is 176hp standard . 1z haven't a patch and as you have seen won't take the pressure for long . Your style of driving where you like to push it out to the curb the MK2 with the extra weight will benefit your style .

mk2 can use coilovers instead of shock an spring

Didn't these come with a v6 and a turbo in NZ lel

oh yeah and the snap oversteer legends are probably down to unexperianced owners i belive. they feel like they can take that corner, they see they cant, they lift off = desaster. then Toyota revised the cars and made them more stable. i would bet my left testicle a non revised early mk2 in the right hands would get praised for beeing a fun car for experianced drivers. ive heard also some horror storys of ap1 s2000 beeing snappy and all that. nowadays most people seem to look for exactly that.

More of a GT car. Snap oversteer was fixed pretty much by the rev2+. They changed the geometry and suspension quite a bit. MK3 is more of a go-cart.

Are the mk2's not allowed to run an lsd ?

Hi Dan, the rev1 understeers alot less than the one you were driving. I think itd be worth you getting behind the wheel of a properly setup rev1! That being said, I'm not sure what I have (rev1 with rev3 engine) is allowed in the championship

Seems inconsistent? Mostly understeer, sometimes over? Lack of LSD is readily apparent. Looks less overall fun than ZZW30.

How different is it to the mk3?

3SGE is also superior

Slam a V6 in ... = transformed

Snap Oversteer happened a lot when idiots drove them on back roads and didn't actually know how to drive...

Looks and sounds a bit understeery. If it isn’t full of oppo is it even an mr2 on this channel?

Dude, think you are making a big mistake walking away from the MR2 scene so soon. I know they are not your first choice but after just 1 season, you have caught the attention of Patrick. You could have honed your craft and would have probably been picked up by rogue, imagine racing where you don't have to fix, pay for and tune your car on your own. Just might be a bit premature (TWSS) to walk away just now

100% looks way more predictable that mk2. Think you should get an s13 200sx personally :P

Like I said in my last comment WEIGHT TRANSFER! Why do you think it feels so good on the brakes more weight being put over the front axle. Look how much it dives down compared to your mk3 under heavy load. The car will is tuned for understeer to make it more user friendly and most drivers prefer push understeer as it's far more controllable again a very easy dynamic to tune into most chassis. And again you say it takes the bumps better because the car is much softer than yours I could go into great detail but I feel like you don't want to listen so I shall not waste my time any more than I have already lol.

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buy a mk2 then, go on

Sell the mk3 and buy the mk2 !! Simple ☺